Turbo on a 2.2 is pretty pointless i've seen a 4 cylinder pushin 8 pounds of boost and he's only crankin 165 hp and thats with notrous swap it for a 4.3 that will have just as much horsepower if not even more than a turbo charged 2.2

 

Turbo on a 2.2 is pretty pointless i've seen a 4 cylinder pushin 8 pounds of boost and he's only crankin 165 hp and thats with notrous swap it for a 4.3 that will have just as much horsepower if not even more than a turbo charged 2.2

Then there must have been something wrong with his car running 8lbs and nitrous and only getting 165hp.Its pretty obvious to see that.Go over to Jbody.org and you will see what these 2.2's turbocharged can do.Same exact engine as whats in our trucks(the 2.2's not the twin cams/2.4L).Those guys are running 13's on just 10lbs boost and forged internals and have been doing it for a while.

 

Turbo on a 2.2 is pretty pointless i've seen a 4 cylinder pushin 8 pounds of boost and he's only crankin 165 hp and thats with notrous swap it for a 4.3 that will have just as much horsepower if not even more than a turbo charged 2.2

anything to back it up? and 165hp? how do you know and is that rwhp? if so the rwhp nearly doubled, and judging by ur posts u really couldn't tell us mucha bout the 2.2l

 

Whatever you need to say to keep selling your headers(opps I mean header), I understand.

olskoolnoma : You should definatly buy a header, because Gutless wants you to eat his cereal and not mine. Since he has finacial gain on his mind, and I have just your best interest.​

Then have your engine rebuilt, a cold air intake, do an e-fan, maybe even put in a 160* T-stat becuase people think that does something too!!!! Then put on a new high flow cat, with a mandrel bent exhaust with a quality muffler.

Now you have to remember to be original, and at this point your like 95% of 2.2L owners, still lacking power and wanting more....all with a big hole in your pocket.

Are you ready for the turbo install? Start with reading the turbo maps, choose a good one or itll suck, wait engines suck and turbos blow....let me re-phrase "or itll blow" lol

Now do all the intake piping and maybe an intercooler to complicate things. watch out for boost creep and boost leaks(I hate those). Buy a turbo timer so you dont kill your hairdryer. Then make your own boost controller at Lowes for $5(sweet) After all this make sure your computer doesnt run you lean and blow the hole thing up the first time out. Good luck....

Gutless you gotta relax, you take it so serious(2.2L guys are still desprate for power). Cant you see I go as far as to laugh at myself for being dumb. And you think because I dont think the 2.2L is a good option, that I should be excluded from the conversation??? Lighten up

You know whats funny I have my dime and yes I have a 2.2. (now he is going to talk shit about my SN) But this is my 9th dime and my first one that I haven't swapped to a V8. The reason being. I'm getting ready to show people like you what a 2.2 can do. And your going to say put a V8 and I'm going to tell you I got a fullsize here if I wanted to drive something that has over 500Hp and get 5 or 6 miles to the gallon. But I also have a GSX-R 750 that even my v8 can't keep up with. So when you get your S10 up to 190 come talk because I know my bike can and its not a V8.. A lot of us guys here just want to have fun with this because THIS IS OUR HOBBIE.... And sorry to say in minitruckin its all about being DIFFERENT... No one builds thier truck to be like the next guy. SO if we want 4 bangers then let it be. Just give up because we are just as HARD HEADED AS YOU!!!! We love driving PAST a gas station when you got to stop at it. I travel to a lot of shows the last thing I want is a truck that sucks a shit load of gas when its a $2.30 a gallon. And not to burst your bubble. I also know of a dime being built in KC with a S2000 motor right now which they only have about $2000 buckin in it and if I remember right they say they are dynoin at about 265 out of it. With just a lil programing and thats about it done to it. And now is when you say well I don't know shit about motors or anything else. When I went to school for auto technology and have a degree in it. But hey its guys like you that make guys in this hobbie and lifestyle look like assholes.. But hey thats just my 2 cents.

 

An s2K motor huh? I have thought about it. Then I thought that would be sacreligous. I mean thats kind of our competition. I do want to know what it runs tho.

 

Yea that truck is all chopped up.. There is a ford 9" rear the S2K motor and 6 speed tranny. 4 linked rear with coil overs and custom made a arms with coil overs. They are finishing up the wiring right now and then they will take it to the track so I will keep you updated I will try to remember my dig when I go up there next time. Under the hood looks so empty too....

 

like I said. the 2.2 in an s10 has been around for 11 years. what 2.2 in an s10 has ran 10's??? oh you think your the first one to try to do it, sweet keep telling yourself that.

 

you got it ass backwards. 4.10's and 4.56's are LOWER than 3.73's. higher numarically but lower geared. a 3.73 is HIGHER than 4.10's or a 4.56. a higher gear ratio (3.08) will give you better fuel economy (lower RPM's) than a lower gear (4.10) better acceleration (higher RPM's). not to whore the thread but just stating a commonly made mistake. good luck with the build.

ummm, thanks i guess

The higher the gear (numaric) the better acceleration, the lower the gear (numaric) the better top end speed. So I don't know what point you are trying to make. I think thats common nowledge, but when you are talking about swapping gears you always refer to the gear ratio ie 3.73, 4.10, 4.56... as being lower or higher, if i go from a 3.03 to a 4.10 then I put higher gears in because you are refering to the gear ratio, not the actual physics of how the ratio works.

Back on topic

It all depends on where you want the truck to end up, u want a low et ( under 10 seconds) drag truck then you need to do a motor swap so far the aftermart world has proven this i did not say a v8 swap but a motor swap.

If you want a truck that is for auto x then the 2.2l will do just fine, auto x is more about how good you are as a driver and the handling of your truck.

My personal preferance are drag racing with big ass v8s. I know 4 cyl can do just the same or better but for me its more of the sound and feel of a v8. For drag racing I have to agree with sweets10v8 here. I have grown up drag racing, one of the first cars I can remember riding in when i was 2 or 3 was my dads camaro with a 427, I go to numerous drag races threw out the year and I personally don't like watching the 15+ second runs. I know if you can run in the 15s or lower with the 2.2l that awsome but its not for me.

If I wanted to auto x then i would probly turbo the 2.2l (if rules will allow it), go with the zq8 suspension + a 2/2 or 3/3 drop and go from there. The zq8 suspension package is awsome, I loved how my truck used to handle before i bagged it :haha: .

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aight, from this forth, strictly thread relate, nothn else, period.

you posted that while i was typing my post, sorry if its offtopic but I thought I made some good points.

 

What 2.2L ideas do you like that we have brought up? Whats your budget? What are your personal mechanical capabilities?

You have said you want to keep your 2.2L and thats fine, Its your world and we have discussed many different options for the 2.2L(including what I would do if I was forced to keep it)

But I would like to understand your definition of "different"...

Is it having a 2.2L like they come from the factory, then adding minor power enhancments, like everyone else in this community?(How is this different?)

Or is it doing something on your own, that has happened to be done by what seems a lot of people, but is actually a very small percentage of the total population of trucks.

If I had to guess I would say that 80% of all 2.2L S-series go un modified, 19% are modded in some way, and about < 1% are V8 swaps(they just get all the attention)

 

well ima be taking out a loan for 8G to redo my truck frame up, do it all at once. so i wanna beef up the 2.2 all i can. then maybe later throw a turbo on or sumfin, cause everyone here in this part of KY has went wild with ricers..... and it makes me sick. LOL

 

So now the question is who do we put the demand into? They quit making S-10s, the muscle community doesn't want us........so unfortunatly that leaves the import manufactuers? I bet the Cavalier people would be the best company to go to but isn't that still import stuff? I am not really a import or domestic guy, i mean I would drive the shit out of a 600hp supra,RX-7 or Skyline!

 

thread cleaaaaaannnnnned up, strictly relate to thread or take it to flame forum...

 

But I also have a GSX-R 750 that even my v8 can't keep up with. So when you get your S10 up to 190 come talk because I know my bike can and its not a V8.. .

Nope. You're GSXR750 will not do 190 mph. Sportbikes are my first passion and I know them well. Out of all my bikes, my 04' GSXR750 is the fastest on the track, but it will not do 190. It also has a full yoshimura TRS race exhaust, K&N, TRE-mod, and a power programmer. Depending on the year of yours it may be capable of 175 - 180, if its an 04' or 05'. If not, you're no where close.

Now, back to the thread......

I'm also thinking about tuning my 2.2l, and since I have a t3/t4 turbo laying around I was thinking of using it. Can anyone tell me what my options are as for a turbo header?

 

I believe gutlesswonder is workn on that(or got it done for another member wit turbosetup)

 

Are there any companies that make cams or rockers for a 96 2.2? I'm rebuilding my motor this winter and would like to have about 130-150 rwhp. I plan on doing a header, intake, and an efan at the very least....but what else can i do on my 96? Anyone ever stroke or bore a 96 2.2?

 

Are there any companies that make cams or rockers for a 96 2.2? I'm rebuilding my motor this winter and would like to have about 130-150 rwhp. I plan on doing a header, intake, and an efan at the very least....but what else can i do on my 96? Anyone ever stroke or bore a 96 2.2?

the only way to bore and stroke a 2.2 is to add 4 more cylnders.

 

Are there any companies that make cams or rockers for a 96 2.2? I'm rebuilding my motor this winter and would like to have about 130-150 rwhp. I plan on doing a header, intake, and an efan at the very least....but what else can i do on my 96? Anyone ever stroke or bore a 96 2.2?

Do a search on the 1.6 roller tip rockers for the 94-97.Factory ones were 1.5.I can't remeber the part#'s but the rockers are from a mid 80's GM 6cyl (3.1 maybe)

 

I will say it over and over again that the 2.2L needs to get a tuner package released soon. With the proper tuning the 2.2L engine has the potential to put out alot better #'s than most think.

Everything I mentiotioned in my previous post would be cost prohibitive to most, however when you build any engine you need to go into the process knowing what you want out of the engine. In stock form the 2.2L puts down about 100 HP to the wheels, so you must decide where your goals are and go with wheel HP since that is what you will get from a dyno. What do you want 140...150...160 HP or more? Then you look at what would need to be done to realistically get it there, this is where many of times the idea of the 2.2L build up gets scrapped.

crap i wish my 2.2 made 100 horse. my 03 auto only saw 86hp and 108 tq.

 

outta luck on cam, its big enough, but actually can use 94-97 cam on 98+ to give more gain, 1 or 2 members has achievd it but it was lonng time ago, do some searchn, can be able find inffo...

 

outta luck on cam, its big enough, but actually can use 94-97 cam on 98+ to give more gain, 1 or 2 members has achievd it but it was lonng time ago, do some searchn, can be able find inffo...

you can get performance cams for the cavalier. same motor.

 

I am looking at this thread about the cam info, and I was wondering about what information a person would need to grind down a cam to the specs on the Stage 2 cam for the cavalier. Can you take a stock cam and grind it down to those specs or do you have to ahve one custom built.

I went out to the junkyard this past weekend and found that there are tons of cavaliers out there with the 2.2 so I picked up a 91-94 SOHC cam out of the 2.2 cavy. I got it for 5 bux so if i have to spend a little on lifters and the grind, thats okay. I had my mechanic check it out and he said it looks good, as far as cams go. No physical damage.

So all I need to know is 2 things.

1. Is a custom grind possible on a stock cam.

2. What information will I need to take to the machine shop to get a cam grind done.

 

I am looking at this thread about the cam info, and I was wondering about what information a person would need to grind down a cam to the specs on the Stage 2 cam for the cavalier. Can you take a stock cam and grind it down to those specs or do you have to ahve one custom built.

I went out to the junkyard this past weekend and found that there are tons of cavaliers out there with the 2.2 so I picked up a 91-94 SOHC cam out of the 2.2 cavy. I got it for 5 bux so if i have to spend a little on lifters and the grind, thats okay. I had my mechanic check it out and he said it looks good, as far as cams go. No physical damage.

So all I need to know is 2 things.

1. Is a custom grind possible on a stock cam.

2. What information will I need to take to the machine shop to get a cam grind done.

first off judging by yout avitar, you have a 98+s10. which means the cam in for the 91-94 is different. the 98+s10 motors are vortec motors. the older ones arent. second, never trust a used cam. i dont care who told you its good, dont. you will regret it. save your money and buy new. 3rd. there are no SOHC motors in the cavi's they are all in block cams with push rods. the only cavi motors with OHC's were the Z24's they had 2.4 DOHC engines. the 91-94 Z's had 3.1 v6's in em.

 

so basically getting a cam out of a 2.2L cavalier to fit my truck is impossible?

 

so basically getting a cam out of a 2.2L cavalier to fit my truck is impossible?

bo its not but you need the same year to make it work. the timing notches are differnt for the different years

 

You know whats funny I have my dime and yes I have a 2.2. (now he is going to talk shit about my SN) But this is my 9th dime and my first one that I haven't swapped to a V8. The reason being. I'm getting ready to show people like you what a 2.2 can do. And your going to say put a V8 and I'm going to tell you I got a fullsize here if I wanted to drive something that has over 500Hp and get 5 or 6 miles to the gallon. But I also have a GSX-R 750 that even my v8 can't keep up with. So when you get your S10 up to 190 come talk because I know my bike can and its not a V8.. A lot of us guys here just want to have fun with this because THIS IS OUR HOBBIE.... And sorry to say in minitruckin its all about being DIFFERENT... No one builds thier truck to be like the next guy. SO if we want 4 bangers then let it be. Just give up because we are just as HARD HEADED AS YOU!!!! We love driving PAST a gas station when you got to stop at it. I travel to a lot of shows the last thing I want is a truck that sucks a shit load of gas when its a $2.30 a gallon. And not to burst your bubble. I also know of a dime being built in KC with a S2000 motor right now which they only have about $2000 buckin in it and if I remember right they say they are dynoin at about 265 out of it. With just a lil programing and thats about it done to it. And now is when you say well I don't know shit about motors or anything else. When I went to school for auto technology and have a degree in it. But hey its guys like you that make guys in this hobbie and lifestyle look like assholes.. But hey thats just my 2 cents.

Dam an F20 for under 2 grand they must got some hook-ups if not im gonna have to call BS on that story.