Well zq8, have u own ab/mtx before??

 

so what ever happened to az_slameed_85?? It has been over two days and he hasn't posted a thing! Did he get them or what? No follow up? Come on man, before these people kill each other.

 

I think its kinda obvious what type of vehicle its going in. This is S10forum and it says in his sig that he has an 85 S-10. I just read through all your posts and the only thing I saw you state was that it can handle more power and it has more linear excursion. Just because it has those two does not mean it is better than the 12" MTX. It may have more linear excursion but that paper cone is gonna weigh more which means that it will not be able to move as fast as the MTX cone. The speed that the cone is able to move in a linear motion also has an effect on how hard the sub is going to hit. If it has more linear excursion but moves slow while doing it then its not going to hit as hard as a subwoofer than can move through its range faster.

Think about it. If you are sitting at a stop light and someone comes up behind you and pushes you forward 50ft. by driving up to your bumper and slowing pushing you at 5MPH. Then in another scenario a person comes driving at 15MPH and rearends you and pushes you 30ft. which one do you think you are gonna get whiplash from?

That paper cone on the AB is going to have more inertia than the MTXs Aluminum Deposition cone which is a polypropolene plastic with aluminum plating.

 

D*mn that's good stuff grinch.

 

gee i wonder what he got. he probably ignored everythinga and got rockford or kicker or something shittier like sony

 

yep, I have owned MTX subs since 1992, and AB since 2001, both are in good working order today, although the MTX's don't get much use anymore because they suck

I have had quite a few products from both companies over the years, the only ones that have impressed me is the 1 AB amp, and the bottom of the line 1999 AB subs I got, both great products for the money

I got a friend I have known for about 10 years, he has been installing at all kinds of shops over the years, he has a job now at circuit city as the head installer, one time he put 4 of the 10" top MTX subs in his mustang and they really sucked, I could get my old ass AB's to hit harder and sound better than those, and it wasn't in the box

 

Thats kinda funny cuz I had two 10" MTX Thunder6000s and people would mistake them for being JL 12s all the time. Yes I do believe that JL makes harder hitting subs than MTX but they are a lot more expensive also.

P.S. Did you ever stop to think that maybe your buddy had a crappy box? That can make a big difference in how well a subwoofer performs. And yes I did see that your friend worked at many different shops and is now the head installer at Circuit City but I don't know about the rest of you but when I want a good quality box made I don't go to Circuit City. The mom and pop shops own anytime of corporate car audio shops. I don't know one person in my old valley that had a top of the line system that went to Circuity City or any of those other corporate places to get it done.

 

I think its kinda obvious what type of vehicle its going in. This is S10forum and it says in his sig that he has an 85 S-10. I just read through all your posts and the only thing I saw you state was that it can handle more power and it has more linear excursion. Just because it has those two does not mean it is better than the 12" MTX. It may have more linear excursion but that paper cone is gonna weigh more which means that it will not be able to move as fast as the MTX cone. The speed that the cone is able to move in a linear motion also has an effect on how hard the sub is going to hit. If it has more linear excursion but moves slow while doing it then its not going to hit as hard as a subwoofer than can move through its range faster.

the MTX's 12" cone weighs 8.4 more grams than the AB's 15 " cone

haha, that's funny shit

 

Ok show me the facts that prove that it weighs more?

 

He prob got some lightnin audio cuz of so called high ratin power.*sarcastic* I've bought that once to see how long it last with, 3000watt, killed it less than a sec. I don't mind tryin the ab piece but I've done it with da(similar line) wit 700rms lasted 3 sec, sounded crappy, not loud, not strong, I blown mtx before, loudest sh*t I ever blown, and lasted over 20sec. Wow, just wow.

 

I think its kinda obvious what type of vehicle its going in. This is S10forum and it says in his sig that he has an 85 S-10. I just read through all your posts and the only thing I saw you state was that it can handle more power and it has more linear excursion. Just because it has those two does not mean it is better than the 12" MTX. It may have more linear excursion but that paper cone is gonna weigh more which means that it will not be able to move as fast as the MTX cone. The speed that the cone is able to move in a linear motion also has an effect on how hard the sub is going to hit. If it has more linear excursion but moves slow while doing it then its not going to hit as hard as a subwoofer than can move through its range faster.

Think about it. If you are sitting at a stop light and someone comes up behind you and pushes you forward 50ft. by driving up to your bumper and slowing pushing you at 5MPH. Then in another scenario a person comes driving at 15MPH and rearends you and pushes you 30ft. which one do you think you are gonna get whiplash from?

That paper cone on the AB is going to have more inertia than the MTXs Aluminum Deposition cone which is a polypropolene plastic with aluminum plating.

your also don't have much of an idea on how the speed of the cone really affects the sound of the woofer

here, read
http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/WooferSpeed.pdf

 

Ok show me the facts that prove that it weighs more?

I believe I posted the links to the theile smalls earlier in the thread, look it up yourself, it's chicken wing night, you got alot of reading to do

 

yeaaaa....circuit city install and it sounded like sh*t...not the first time ive heard that one....

WhiteZQ8, i dunno what kinda bass ur into but the bass ive heard outta the AB subs was nothing special...ur trying to make an argument by throwing out all these T/S specs and trying to justify a comparison of a 12 and a 15....compare the 12 MTX to the 12 AB and 15 MTX to the 15 AB and prove to me AB is better on paper...then maybe ill reconsider my stance

 

AIGHT.. enough.. Goddamn SUB threads piss me off.

 

PS - I would Go MTX, But im just a mod, and kind do this for a living.. So my opinion is educated and Experienced.. Dunno if you care about that or not.

 

AIGHT.. enough.. Goddamn SUB threads piss me off.

no ones forcing u to read this thread...whitezq8 is just ignorant and wont agree with anything

 

zq8, were u positive the box was very good built when usin 4 10s in mustang? i dont trust guys workin at circuit city, they kno diddly squat(some do, some dont), ask them if they kno how ohm law works, i bet u some wont answer em right, some might not know what that is, some might know what it means and how it works. Beside almost everyone is sayin mtx is better, az_slammed_85 will for majority vote, thus yer time to argue is over, its gettin pointless. did az_slammed_85 ever said how he gonna have the box built? i dont remember, over 3 page off peep sayin mtx is better few prefers ab with some detailed information about the products.

 

yeaaaa....circuit city install and it sounded like sh*t...not the first time ive heard that one....

WhiteZQ8, i dunno what kinda bass ur into but the bass ive heard outta the AB subs was nothing special...ur trying to make an argument by throwing out all these T/S specs and trying to justify a comparison of a 12 and a 15....compare the 12 MTX to the 12 AB and 15 MTX to the 15 AB and prove to me AB is better on paper...then maybe ill reconsider my stance

maybe you don't get it, Dan has been installing car stereos for over 10 years, he has worked with everything from US amps and JL to Pyramid and Earthquake, now he is the head installer at circuit city, he has a flexible schedule people under him and benefits

why do you still insist on comparing a 12" to another 12", the thread started with someone asking for help with a 12 and a 15, get that through your head

I'm making an arguement with logic, math, and scientific measurements, your arguement is based on......well I guess your ignorence

 

so ya sayin he worked for 10 years installin different stereo, why the h*ll is he wastin his time workin at circuit city? Personally, i dont wanna do that if i was head installer, i'd rather work at local audio shop than circuity city (my preferences) since local audio shop has better system than circuit city, when i have problems with system, and it goes beyond my knowledge, i have their #, and they run their own shop, sellin, jl, mtx, xtant, few others i dont remember at moment, they build all the box n sell em, no bs box like circuit city, all custom built for customer to choose their preferences. Workin with system for over 10 years. And who the h*ll buys pyramid :dunno: u can git cheaper reasonable system on ebay than gittin pyramd

 

yea...with 10 years under my belt, i sure as hell wouldnt wanna be workin ad circuit city...but i guess thats me...

how can u call me ignorant when you cant agree with one thing thats been said?...forget what he asked for ONE SECOND...you are trying to tell people that AB is better quality than MTX, right or wrong? sure the 15 may get a bit louder, but compare the subs specs at equal sizes...i think you'll find that MTX comes out on top...prove me wrong....

even if the 15 AB is a bit louder, i gaurantee the 12 MTX will outlast it and take more abuse, MTX costs more because YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR....i could get 40 15" funkey pups and out bump ur friggin AB, but does that mean funkey pups are better than AB....well, thats a close one actualy (no offence intended on the FP's lol)

 

Just because someone has been doing something for 10 years mean they are good at it. Hell I have been walkin for 20 years now and I still trip and fall occasionally. The fact of the matter is that based on experiences more people on this forum seem to prefer MTX over AB. You can sit there and do the math all you want and throw specs at us to show that a 15" AB is gonna hit harder than a 12" MTX, which I hope it would for AB's sake, but only the actual performance of the subwoofer is going to make the difference. Many companies have been known to exaggerate on the specs of their products but from my experiences MTX has proven to be superior and I would much rather spend twice as much on a 12" MTX subwoofer than half that on a 15" AB subwoofer. But hey thats my opinion and I am sure az_slammed_85 has made up his mind by now. I will try to see what he ended up doing this weekend if he goes to the meet we are all trying to plan out here in AZ.

 

Oh one last little tid bit of info and I am done. That 15" AB woofer has a 60oz magnet while the MTX 12" woofer has a 102oz. I think that info right there is undeniable.

 

MA audio isn't the sister of ab, yer thinkin of another brand(similar name but MA Audio, looooot better), ab gits loud, mtx gits louder.

digital audio is the sister of AudioBahn

 

no ones forcing u to read this thread...whitezq8 is just ignorant and wont agree with anything

hey bitch,

Being the S&S Moderator, its my job to read threads like this, Because little Whiners like you always get your dick bent about "Which subs hit hardest". So don't tell me what too, and what not too read.

You dont have to read my comments, and comment on them either.

Now, Either continue this thread in Civilized mature manner or I will close it.

Have a nice day, Everyone say Hi to the rookie.

ALSO - I have a reputation around here for banning people.. Go ahead, ask people about it. So try me. Please. I welcome it.

 

hey bitch,

Being the S&S Moderator, its my job to read threads like this, Because little Whiners like you always get your dick bent about "Which subs hit hardest". So don't tell me what too, and what not too read.

You dont have to read my comments, and comment on them either.

Now, Either continue this thread in Civilized mature manner or I will close it.

Have a nice day, Everyone say Hi to the rookie.

ALSO - I have a reputation around here for banning people.. Go ahead, ask people about it. So try me. Please. I welcome it.

Come on beeker, you are saying one thing and doing another here. Telling him to talk civilized, and then you call him a bitch and threaten to ban him???
Be the bigger man bro, dont ban people over little shit like this, let him say his piece, and if it gets out of hand, close the damn thread.......(this one is going down a dead end road anyways)

take it easy beek