That would be a partly reverse 4 link, and you couldn't connect to the spring perch, cuz there isn't one, just a bracket that hangs down.

 

I see what your saying, but doesnt that take out the angled bars? and if you did that you could have side to side movement of the axle. But I guess its kinda like a parallel 4-link.

 

It would be a half reverse parallel 4 link. not good IMO...either all reverse or all forward.

 

i know it would be like a reverse 4 link but wouldnt it be like leaf springs but better. we could use 4 link brackets instead of spring perches. i know reverse 4 links are bad but what are the downsides of running the lower bars forward and the top bar reverse? thanks for the help so far

 

ummm the way you word it your using the same piviot point (bracket) on the axle to mount forward and reverse bars...
you would have to have one below and one above the axle which wouldnt work because the one above would bottom out on the frame before you could achieve full drop. on top of the need for a panhard bar and im not going to bother thinking how it would affect pinion angle...

 

why wouldnt i be able to use the same bracket? the front bars at the bottom of the bracket and the rear bars right above that. im just trying to find out why this wont work. thanks

 

Cuz on a 4 link, 2 bars have to be on top of the axle, and two bars have to be underneath. This is to keep the pinion angle straight and correct. If you guys dont' know much about driveline geometery or rear suspension systems, I would highly suggest you do not attempt to make one. It could result in your injury or death.

 

its not that it wont work.... it will.... its just a matter of the pinion angle your mounting points and how you do it... parallel panhard or triangulated...

I don't know about any of the pressure angles....

 

Cuz on a 4 link, 2 bars have to be on top of the axle, and two bars have to be underneath. This is to keep the pinion angle straight and correct. If you guys dont' know much about driveline geometery or rear suspension systems, I would highly suggest you do not attempt to make one. It could result in your injury or death.

I think he is talking about using the same bracket... on a parallel with panhard it still uses the same bracket it just goes around the axel....

 

the way your talking this will happen...

 

this is what he is talking about....

 

well those piviot points wont work on that... the bar would still hit the frame

 

Well, I actually think this is what he's talking about.....
But that setup also has two more upper bars going forward to make a complete 4 link. what he is talking about doing is not running those two upper bars. What is in the picture would not work is there were not two upper bars.

 

okay, thank you

 

Back when Alter Images was in the works they came up with this

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I was goin to say isn't what hes talking about just a cantaliever 4 link?

 

Back when Alter Images was in the works they came up with this

FYI.... Alter didn't make that..... KP Components did, and Alter poorly copied it.

 

that idea wouldn't even go up and down you'd have two solid links. it just wouldn't happen

 

that idea wouldn't even go up and down you'd have two solid links. it just wouldn't happen

uhhh yeah it would... as long as its all parallel... you couldn't do it triangulated... put a panhard in and your fine!!! Ive seen it!

 

it would kinda be like the pic slammeddime posted. similar to a kp 6 link without the upper bars.
can you guys tell me whats wrong with running the lower links forward and the uper links rearward and triangulated?
i know its not the right way but i want to know why it's the wrong way.

 

My question is, why??? are you trying to create something no one else has?? because at the cost of building that one, you could have a nice 4-link, with no problems or things that could go wrong, or is that just me?

 

well triangulated is what stops the side to side motion... and they bars arent' the same length as the lower bars.... so it stops the axel from rolling in motion... so if its the oposite of the lower parallel bars then its gonna pull on the axel when it goes up and down.... and really now that I think about it so would a all around parallel....

when the 4 linkholds the axel in place during up and down motion the axel doesn't move straight up and down it sort of move at an angle..... its like if the mounting point of the 4 link are the center of the circle the axel moves around the center point.. so if there are two center points to the circle then the axel would have to move straight up and down..... does that make sense???

 

My question is, why??? are you trying to create something no one else has?? because at the cost of building that one, you could have a nice 4-link, with no problems or things that could go wrong, or is that just me?

I'm gonna totally disagree with you here....... we are all trying to be unique here... no one wants to see two trucks alike.. if we did we would all be that dredful thing.............................STOCK!!!

 

this isnt for my truck it's for a friend's. he doesnt want to move his gas tank and he wants all his tanks/compressors underneath the bed. we were trying to come up with ways to get around it and he came up with this and i couldnt really tell him why it wouldnt work.

oh yeah, im getting a triangulated 4 link with all the bars forward
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are you talking about the red full size???

whos truck is it??