So I've been reading quite a bit latley on how to bag my 94 s-10. It just isn't working out. I need diagrams or books for the best help. If anyone has any ideas let me know. I'm running 8 valves on a 8 gal/8 port tank. A 4-link in the back with 3/8" line. I think I have everything bought that I need. All parts were bought from SD.com. Another question is on mounting the back bags. I have front cups, but what do I use for the back mounts? And I would really love a how to install a 4-link diagram or something. Thanks alot.
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So I've been reading quite a bit latley on how to bag my 94 s-10. It just isn't working out. I need diagrams or books for the best help. If anyone has any ideas let me know. I'm running 8 valves on a 8 gal/8 port tank. A 4-link in the back with 3/8" line. I think I have everything bought that I need. All parts were bought from SD.com. Another question is on mounting the back bags. I have front cups, but what do I use for the back mounts? And I would really love a how to install a 4-link diagram or something. Thanks alot.
And if anyone lives close to Portland and would love to give me some free/cheap help let me know. i have a buddy that is going to do it with me, but he can't do it for another 2-3 months. I have everything sitting in my living room and I can't wait any longer.
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you will probably need some rear bag brackets for the back http://www.suicidedoors.com/BagBracketsRearBrackets.php
i think the bottom welds to the axle and the top welds to the frame/notch, adn this isnt a 4-link install but it should give you a little bit of an idea on what to do
http://www.s10forum.com/suicidedoors_3_link_5_link_install
i think the bottom welds to the axle and the top welds to the frame/notch, adn this isnt a 4-link install but it should give you a little bit of an idea on what to do
http://www.s10forum.com/suicidedoors_3_link_5_link_install
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www.bagginit.com this helps out a lot. they have how-tos, diagrams, pics of parts, an open forum like this one, and they explain about all the different types of rear sus. setups. this site helps out a lot along with this forum.
Parts that I have purchased, from SD.com, include:
8 Gallon 8 Port Tank
8 Valves
3/8" line 50 feet
1/4" line for gauge
Dual Needle Gauge
2 Viaar 380 Compresors
Firewall Tubs
SD.com 4-link bars
A bunch of weld plates (four link weld plates, four link flat tab)
2 pair of Front cups
4 air bags
2 Large Notches
Rear wheel tub and notch cover
I think that may be everything. I still need to get a switchbox and what I'm really unsure of is if I need to by upper and lower control arms, or just get 2" drop spindles. The front bag moutning is where I am really struggling at. Thanks for any help. Just let me knowwhat else I need to buy. I don't believe the kit came with any bolts for the four link. I'll have to double check though.
8 Gallon 8 Port Tank
8 Valves
3/8" line 50 feet
1/4" line for gauge
Dual Needle Gauge
2 Viaar 380 Compresors
Firewall Tubs
SD.com 4-link bars
A bunch of weld plates (four link weld plates, four link flat tab)
2 pair of Front cups
4 air bags
2 Large Notches
Rear wheel tub and notch cover
I think that may be everything. I still need to get a switchbox and what I'm really unsure of is if I need to by upper and lower control arms, or just get 2" drop spindles. The front bag moutning is where I am really struggling at. Thanks for any help. Just let me knowwhat else I need to buy. I don't believe the kit came with any bolts for the four link. I'll have to double check though.
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Well what size wheels are you running? Most likely you'll just go with some drop spindles to get you down. 3/8's line is kinda on the small side, what size valves are you going with? also what size bags did you get? Did you get pressure switches? Valves? (for valve info check bagginit.com) Also you'll need a couple relay's for those compressors. If you got a universal 4 link you're going to have some fun setting that up. To set the notch up you're going to have to find the axle center on the frame and where the axle is going to travel. Find that center line for the notch and start welding the notch in. There is a 5 link install thread that will help you with that. The 4 link is going to require some more thinking. You're going to need to set your pinion angle and figure bag placement. You'll have 2 straight bars and 2 triangulated. You're going to need pics for this and with some searching you'll find them to get the idea of how to run your tank.
Its a lot of work but doesn't have to be that hard. Use the search button and you will get some ideas along with asking more questions. Take your time and measure a lot.
Its a lot of work but doesn't have to be that hard. Use the search button and you will get some ideas along with asking more questions. Take your time and measure a lot.
I take that back. I am running 1/2" line with 1/2" valves. Right now i have 18's on and my bags are slam specialties re-6's. I would like to run 20's later. I have one pressure switch and 8 valves. How many relay's will I need to buy and what else will I need to purchase? Should I go ahead and buy just the 2" drop spindles or the 3" ? Or just buy the upper and lower control arms?
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You'll need one relay for each compressor. No one makes a 3" drop spindle for S-10's, only 2" spindles. The upper and lower control arms are far more expensive than the spindles, and its easier to lay 20's with both, but easy to lay 18's with just the spindles. Get the spindles now, and then save up for the arms and get them later on down the road.hulsey11 said:
You'll also need some wire, like 18 gauge speaker wire for the valves, 8 gauge wire for the compressors, 18 gauge wire to wire the pressure switch, lots of connectors to connect all the wires to different things, some wireloom to clean up the wires and make it look pretty.
You'll also need a crap load of fittings, as it looks like you have none right now.
Take a look over these two links...
Hooking up a switchbox
Determining your fittings
Yeah, No fittings right now. The shop that bought the kit for me said to just go buy the fittings at like home depot or something when it's time to get them that way i'll know which ones i need to get. I also looked at my kit and noticed I have no rear bag brackets. I should probably purchase some of those huh? I am debating on where to put my bags. Should I put them on the side of the notch or infront of the notch? where do you think is the best place to put them?
Yesterday I got a lil worried cause I thought my kit had 4 upper front cups but discovered after actually opening the packaging that there were upper and lower cups. My kit has no bolts what so ever. Can I use the leaf spring bolts? or what bolts do I need to go buy?
Yesterday I got a lil worried cause I thought my kit had 4 upper front cups but discovered after actually opening the packaging that there were upper and lower cups. My kit has no bolts what so ever. Can I use the leaf spring bolts? or what bolts do I need to go buy?
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Don't use Home Depot fittings. You need to use DOT Approved compression or Push To Connect fittings. Suicidedoors.com sells them, as does InnovativeAirSuspension.com. If you got your kits from suicidedoors.com, they include the hardware with them, but either they didn't, or the shop kept 'em. You need Grade 8 9/16" nuts, bolts and washers for the 4 link. Not sure on the length, but it would depend on the width of your rod ends. Measure the width of them, and tack on 2", and thats the length of bolts you need.hulsey11 said:
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JESUS! why does everyone say that, yall make it out like if u use the home depot fittings something bad is gonna happen!! i have used the home depot fitting and had no leaks and no mishaps with them , its just that i hear this on here almost every day, i know some ppl like the DOT fitting better or push fittings , hell i like the push fittings better, but its not a bad thing to use the home depot fittings, they are easier to get and u can take them back it u got the wrong ones or decided to go a different route , as for the dot and push fittings u almost always have to order them and that is more of a hassle then its worth when u get the wrong one or whatever.SlammedDime said:
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need help.....
i have a 99 s-10 and need to pull my fender wells out...problem is i dont know where to start. i have 20's on it and front and back. i cant stand to ride as high as i do but these damn fender wells are in the way! i bought the truck from an old man who had it converted to propane as well as gas with a flip of the switch. i took everything out except for the wires that are spliced into some sort of ignition type box and goes to the trucks computer........can some one help and do i need to get rid of my abs brakes????
i have a 99 s-10 and need to pull my fender wells out...problem is i dont know where to start. i have 20's on it and front and back. i cant stand to ride as high as i do but these damn fender wells are in the way! i bought the truck from an old man who had it converted to propane as well as gas with a flip of the switch. i took everything out except for the wires that are spliced into some sort of ignition type box and goes to the trucks computer........can some one help and do i need to get rid of my abs brakes????
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anybody???????????????
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dont get spindles and get art upper and lower control arms
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Let me first correct you. DOT approved fittings are fittings that have been approved by the Department of Transportation to be used on the roadway by vehicles that have an Air Suspension and Air brakes. There are generally two types, Compression, and Push To Connect. Both come in DOT approved flavors. They are made to certain specifications with tighter tolerances than you average, low pressure, plumbing fittings from Home Depot. That does not mean that your average, low pressure, plumbing fittings from Home Depot will work, but it does mean that they are NOT the best for the job. I have NEVER said, however, that your normal brass fittings, like tee's, nipples, and such are a bad idea to get locally, because they are not required to be DOT approved to be used on the roadway.92slammedmitsu said:
Secondly, I say it because I run a website, if you haven't noticed already, that gives people information on how to properly bag their ride. Telling people to go to Home Depot to get their fittings is poor taste for me. Also, you won't see Ford, GM, Chrysler, Kenworth, Air Ride, Suicidedoors.com, Air Lift, or ANY other reputable and trusted company using hardware store tube fittings on any part of their air systems.
Thirdly, just about every state has a fluid power/connections store somewhere in the locale, and most likely a big rig shop as well, all of which normally carry DOT approved products. Sure you may have to travel 6 more miles or so than you would to Home Cheapo, but that is no excuse. As for ordering fittings online then getting the wrong thing. Thats probably no ones fault but your own. It takes a just a few pieces of brain matter to look at a picture and read a description and understand what it is exactly that you are ordering. Hell, you could even go to parker's website and download their fittings catalogs and then order by specific part number at any parker retailer, online ones included, such as www.hoseandfittings.com. I've been using them for around 3 years now for all of my fittings needs, even for normal brass fittings like tees and such, because with a good sized order, its still cheaper than getting it locally, even with tax/shipping, as it applies.
So, newbie, next time you want to start an argument, use some points that are actually valid and hold water, and know what you are talking about. You're pissed because you see knowledgable people giving proper advice that you disagree with, and guess what, I'm pissed because I see people like you giving out advice that isn't worth the toilet paper I wipe my ass with.
Good day.
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well since I am someone that has used home depot fittings. I used them for two years with NO problems and thats at 200 psi daily. Might I add I took them apart quite often (the compression nuts) and didnt have a single issue. So the question of whether a home depot brass compression fitting is up to par for an air bag suspension on a s10 pickup truck. They would work. I currently am running all D.O.T approved compression fittings and they work. So do what you want but let me tell you. The home depot fittings for 5/8 line. The inside ferrull does not fit into the line. But if you use the D.O.T ferrulls they work great
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