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4l60e Problems and Solutions

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I stole this from another forum to help us out, i'm no tranny guy so i cant help anyone but this can.


Common failures on 4L60E, symptom -> cause -> any possible repair:

1. Slow, slipping or no reverse: “lo-reverse” clutches are worn out, fluid leak in the reverse apply circuit, or broken sunshell. It is possible to remedy a fluid problem by removing the checkball from its cage in the case in the rear of the trans may help (must remove valvebody), or adding a high-viscosity additive such as Lucas Transmission additive or other seal restorer product. May also have worn boost valve (can replace in the pan).

2. 1-2 shift does not happen at WOT until you let off the gas: Best case: try replacing the TPS. Middle case: leak in the 2nd gear apply circuit (servo assembly or 1-2 accumulator). Doublecheck by using the pressure gauge and watch for a big drop when the PCM commands 2nd gear. Worst case: poor line pressure rise (see below).

3. 1-2 Shift shudder at WOT; delayed or abnormal 1-2 shift; There's a problem ONLY on the 1-2 shift: 1-2 accumulator piston cracked or stuck cocked in the bore. Check the yellow spring inside the accum housing for breakage. Also, if the accumulator housing walls are scored, the housing must be replaced. Easy fix in the pan.

4. 1-2 shift is delayed and harsh, may not shift into OD: Check TPS for smooth and linear electrical response over the entire range of motion. If not, replace.

5. Trans does not upshift out of first, speedometer reads zero at all times: VSS failure. Easy fix on rear of transmission, but xmember must come out to access VSS.

6. No 3rd or 4th gear: “3-4” clutches are worn out. R&R. The car is safe to drive (in 2) until you can get it fixed.

7. Sudden grinding noise with no prior warning primarily in 2nd gear, behavior in reverse may be abnormal; sunshell is fractured. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.

8. 1st and 3rd only, no 2,4 or R; sunshell is fractured or splines are sheared off. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.

9. No 2nd or 4th gear. 2-4 band is slipping. Servo seals may be damaged (can be fixed without removing trans. Otherwise, 2-4 band is worn out. R&R.

10. Trans shifts into gear harshly, 3rd gear starts, manual 2nd available but no 1st, no 4th, and no TCC lockup: No power to transmission, or trans is in limp-home mode. Check trans fuse underhood, and make sure transmission electrical connector is plugged in. Easy fix.

11. No 1st or 4th available; trans shifts 2nd to 3rd by itself in D or OD : ShiftA solenoid failed. Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.

12. No 2nd or 3rd available: ShiftB solenoid failed: Easy fix in the pan. Or a wiring problem from PCM to trans.. or PCM.

13. No TCC lockup: Brake pedal switches improperly adjusted (always on), TCC solenoid failed (easy fix in the pan), TCC clutch worn out (must remove trans and replace TC).

14. TCC always locked: TCC apply solenoid circuit shorted to ground, TCC solenoid blockage (easy fix in pan), or TC broken (must remove trans and replace TC).

15. Horrible noise in 4th and feels like the brakes are on: overrun clutches are applying due to a cracked or leaking forward piston. Overrun clutches will be worn out after 30 seconds of this behavior. Car can be safely driven in D. R&R.

16. Soft shifting, gradual performance degradation: Poor line pressure rise due to leaking boost valve, clogged EPC filter screen, failing EPC solenoid, or worst case: leaky seals throughout. Transgo HD2-C kit fixes first two without removing trans. Seal restorer may fix last problem, but probably R&R. Also try a transmission flush with BG brand products (Firestone stocks it).

17. No forward movement in OD or D, but L2, L1 and R work: Forward sprag is broken. R&R. Try not to run or drive the car or further damage could result.

18. Extremely harsh shifts from P or N, normal shifts at WOT: EPC (Electronic Pressure Control) solenoid failed. Easy fix in pan. Fix as soon as possible or hard parts will eventually break.

19. Loud bang, grinding sound, loss of all gears, and a binding driveshaft: snapped output shaft. Try to wiggle driveshaft - if more than 0.020" play, that's the sign. R&R.

20. Trans seems noisy when moving in 1st and Reverse, noise goes away instantly if you shift to N or the trans goes into 3rd gear: Reaction planetary is worn out due to high miles or insufficient lubrication. Not a critical failure, but not a good sign either. R&R sooner rather than later.

21. No movement in any gear: pump failure, or total loss of fluid. R&R, or refill pan and find the leak. If out of fluid, avoid running the engine until the trans is refilled to avoid pump damage. To check for pump failure, check fluid level with the engine off, then start the engine and recheck fluid level. If level does not go down when engine is running, the pump is broken.

22. Transmission does not shift automatically, only manually. Swap in a known-good PCM, check wiring, check other sensors such as VSS and TPS.

23. 3rd gear starts, can manually shift through all gears. When car has been turned off for a bit, then back on it will run normally.: VSS dropoff w/ Hi-stall converter. The rpms are too high, but VSS is showing no movement. Happens after a tire burning take-off. Doesn't store a code, will not throw a CEL (I've heard that it will store a code if it happens 3 or more times). Cure: Reprogram PCM for VSS dropoff -- PCMforLess knows about it.

24. Car feels sluggish off the line, No 1st, 4th or TCC lockup available, Manual 2nd, 3rd and Reverse are only available gears, CEL is on: Transmision is either in limp-home mode or has lost electrical power. If there are lots of error codes in the PCM, check the underhood fuse that powers the transmission, and if it pops again, look for a short in that circuit like an O2 sensor harness touching exhaust. Otherwise, check PCM codes for a particular fault in the transmission causing the PCM to put it in limp-home mode.

25. Fluid leak out of the front of trans where the converter connects; partial or full loss of movement: Front pump bushing walked out. R&R. May have to replace converter also if hub is scored. Note that a leaking front seal usually means the bushing is walking out (i.e. call your local trans shop and schedule an appt.).

26. Torque converter shudder in 4th while lockup is engaged; problem goes away when the brake pedal is pressed slightly to unlock converter. Have a shop verify line pressure, and provided no valves in the TCC hydraulic circuit are worn, replace the torque converter. Also, Lubegard Shudder Fix will at least fix this for awhile. Or try a transmission flush by a shop that uses BG brand products.

27. Shift suddenly become very hard. When going from park to either reverse or drive it slams into gear. 1-2 and 2-3 shifts are also harsh. All gears seems to work. Problem may be intermittent: Check TPS for smooth electrical response. If the response is jumpy or erratic at all, replace TPS.

28. All fluid pumped out through the vent tube: Plugged cooler line. Flush the transmission cooler and cooler lines. Also could be overfiled transmission.

29. Car acts like it's in OD in neutral, car is locked stationary in R, engine feels loaded in P, all four forward positions work fine:Internal crossleak feeding the forward clutches all the time. Most likely a cracked input housing. R&R required. Car can safely be driven gently in forward gears until the repair.

30. Needle bearings in the pan, first gear and/or reverse may be noisy: Either a torrington bearing or a planetary bearing is on its way out. Trans will eventually die a loud, catastrophic death. Cheaper to rebuild now (saves further damage to hard parts), but requires R&R. It is drivable until it breaks.

31. 1-2 or 2-3 shift is slow/soft above part throttle: Trans is on its way out. R&R.
 
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#256 ·
slugger..

that bad o2 could mean the cat is bad.. you have to make sure of the code.. if it says o2 threshold is below.. blah blah blah.. it is more than likely your cat that is bad.. but after only 26k.. not sure..

as far as your trans is concerned.. sounds like it is doing what it does.. or should.

you want it to shift back and forth if it needs.. could you just be a bit paranoid in the shifting? I tell you what, I still have not totally tromped on my trans yet. I NOW have 501.3miles on it. I did however test it's mojo on the highway on ramp until those fun loving drivers going UNDER the speed limit stopped my testing :(

Get that other stuff fixed and get back to us.. hell post up if you need help with that stuff too. :)
 
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#260 ·
In 2001 the valve body gasket changed. There is a spot on the valve body that is different also. I will try to find a picture of that.


found this on the webbings..
95 4l60e is a year all on its own with no direct interchange. you cant use the 93-94 because they did not use the pwm solenoid. 96 was the start of the removable bell housing and 6 bolt tail on the 4.3 models. 95 also uses 10-15 ohm shift solenoids VS 20-31 ohm 96 -up
 
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#261 ·
honestly, any of you guys wondering about the transmission should buy that dvd. It will tell you years, differences, all kinds of useful information.. common problems..

look on youtube for them also. You can see a portion of it from that alone.
 
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#264 ·
When checking for power to the trans control solenloid and 3-2 shift solenoid is removal of the trans pan require?
 
#269 ·
Sorry but not sure how to post. I have a 2003 Chevy S-10, Automatic, 6 cylinder, 4.3 engine. I got the engine hot and bent a valve. I replaced the head gasket and valve. My truck ran great for a day but the next day, it wouldn't shift gears right (I had to take my foot off the gas pedal inorder to shift), it felt like it was accelerating on its own and not much power. Service engine code came up re: the crankshaft sensor so I replaced it, the heat sensor and pigtail and finally the distributor cap and I am still having problems. I thought maybe I needed to adjust the advance on the timing but still having the same problems. It feels like the overdrive is not kicking it. The rpm dial just skyrockets if I try to accelerate. Very frustrated. I drive 40 to get to work and don't want to damage the engine. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Please Please help! I took the day off to look at the engine and try to figure it out. Thank you very much. Rick
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#326 ·
I've been having the same problem with my '98 S-10 for years. Would also like to find out what is causing the shifting out of 4th gear since it shoots gas mileage all to heck. I'll bet it's the shifting servo that's bad. Did you ever find out what's wrong?
 
#271 ·
Hey guys 99 s10 2.2L Auto 110,XXX miles.
I had the trans rebuilt (2.5 years ago with 89,XXX miles on it- sunshell died)
Well, I no longer have a warranty and my truck is acting up again.
If I come to a complete stop and press the gas there is a delay before it starts moving. However if I let off the brake and let the truck roll for a second or two and ease into the throttle the problem is not there. This doesn't happen all the time like every other time I drive it. I checked the fluid and it looked and smelled fine.
Any advice is appreciated!

Also, been away from s10forum for awhile... nice to be back trolling the threads.
 
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#273 ·
Hey,, been awhile,, I seem to have the problems stated in #22,, won't go into 4th or third, but will have drive in second and first. I have to manually shift from second into third then into OD.Then everything works fine until I come to a stop then have to down shift manually. It all starts over again. WTH??vss acting up?
 
#274 ·
#5 seems like what i have. this is the 3rd trans i put in and i replaced the lines, radiator, and filter. but when i put it in drive it wont leave 1st gear and u have to over rev the engine to make it go but when stoped in drive the hole truck shakes. idk whats wrong. i have a 1994 gmc jimmy. auto, 4x4, 4door.
 
#275 ·
i dont know if my issue is a transmission issue or what, but i think it worth giving a shot.

1995 S10 SS, 100.000 miles

Car runs if is not WOT.

Let me try to explain.

If you go WOT with the selector in OD, runs fine until 3500-4000rpm then fells slugish, fells like is losing power, and when if changes from 1st to 2nd, you can fell a kick, if driveway is wet you can fell it losing traction.

I dont know if i am being clear, but engine RPM goes up, but speed wont, but when it switches from 1st to 2nd, car really goes.
 
#278 ·
transmissions are a beast.

You have to first get codes.

If no codes, check the wiring there will be some issues.

Once you get codes you can diagnose

If you don't get codes it is more than likely a computer issue. The computer issue is damn near always overlooked. Why is this?

I have been experiencing some gnarly shit on my trans, stuff that is not covered anywhere on any known troubleshooting guides or written about.

You have to basically immerse yourself into the transmission and its functions and how it relates to all other functions of the vehicle. Run down each one, trouble shoot each one so you can get it figured out so you can eliminate what the bad from good.

Then you can come back to the transmission. But not until then.

Transmissions are complicated, and that is why transmission shops are chalk full of business all the time..

with my last build, it, the build, went great aside from a sales guy who didn't know what the **** he was talking about and sold me the wrong converter.. and it overheated (went to shit) and that was what initially tore the trans up. The rest, an electrical issue on my truck tore the build up even further.. and I try to keep up on things, and try to make sure it is all good throughout.. it is in my best interest to keep it going correctly.

that said.. our transmissions are electrically controlled meaning that in the valvebody (trans brain) it depends on these sensors to do what it is the trans calls on them to do.

The valve body is metal on metal, bores and valves. In some instances the bores are worn, and you have to change to a valve with rubber or other (teflon and other) seals that help to keep the pressure where it needs to go.

These wear out.. you are looking at trouble. then it gets into the case (steels and clutches and the apply pistons).. they are pretty easy when it comes down to it, just making sure the tolerances are correct and you have it made.
 
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#280 ·
My tranny seems to have developed problem starting more than a week ago.

I was getting on the interstate one day, and it just stopped shifting into 4th altogether.

I had the fluid flushed, filter replaced, and still had the same symptom. Then, about 4 days ago it stopped shifting into 1st on it's own. If I go to 1st manually it works, otherwise it takes off in 2nd from a stop (Also the 2-3 shift seems to be delayed). However, when it's cold it will take off in 1st for a few minutes.

I haven't heard any odd noises, nor have I felt it slip. No jerking when I put it in gear from Park, and reverse works fine.

I was curious if it might be a bad solenoid, but I've yet to see the dummy light turn on since this began.
 
#283 ·
check out that site I posted about the 30 top problems with the trans. I cannot for the life of me remember off hand what it was, but there is a particular reason this happens.. check it out.. you described it perfectly.
 
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#282 ·
Chubbin.. if you have a 700r you probably have problems with the seperator plate and the check balls at the least.. they wear like a mutha..

The 700r is a governor regulated trans. are you sure it is OD and not another gear and other gears are just not coming on?
 
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#284 ·
Thanks I will buy a kit and see if that helps. I'm positive it goes to overdrive because I can count the shifts but doesnt stay in drive long maybe 30 seconds. I also bought a tv replacement sleeve and plunger to try that. Hopefully the rack will be free soon so I can install all of this.
 
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