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ok, i'm going to tackle the age old comparison of the millermatic 135 and the lincoln 135...well heres the specs from the miller electric website:

Millermatic-135

Infinite voltage control with wire feed speed tracking provides broader operating range with finer control by automatically increasing or decreasing wire feed speed when voltage is adjusted.

Durable cast aluminum feedhead incorporates dual groove quick-change drive roll and calibrated, spring-loaded tension arm designed to make setup easier and faster.

Easy access to output studs provides convenient polarity changeover when switching from solid or flux cored wires.

"Tip Saver" short circuit protection shuts down output when tip is shorted to the work. Extends contact tip life and protects internal components from damage. Trigger reset permits quick reset at torch rather than unit.

Built-in solid-state contactor circuit makes wire electrically "cold" until trigger is pulled. Makes unit safer, and is easier to position torch to work before starting weld.

Thermal overload protection shuts down the unit and activates over temperature light if airflow is blocked or duty cycle is exceeded. Automatically resets when fault is corrected and unit cools.





List Price
Base Model
Starting at:
$ 727.00 (US $)
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Flux Cored (FCAW) (gas and self-shielded)
MIG (GMAW)
Watch Millermatic Setup and Procedure videos.


Light Industrial Applications
Light Fabrication
Maintenance and Repair
Farm and Ranch
Auto Body
Home


Input Power
Requires 1-Phase Power
115 V, 20 Amps 60 Hz


Rated Output
90 A at 18 VDC, 20% Duty Cycle


Output Power Range
30 - 135 Amps


Net Weight
60 lb (27.3 kg)




Power source included
10 ft (3 m), M-10 Miller MIG gun and cable assembly #195 605
10 ft (3 m) work cable with clamp
Factory-installed gas solenoid valve
Regulator and gas hose
Power cord and plug
Extra contact tips
Sample spool of solid wire
Information/settings chart
Set-up and operational video

Now here are the specs from the Lincoln Electric website

Lincoln Electric SP-135 Plus

SP-135 Plus

Combination Wire Feeder/MIG and Flux-Cored Welder with Welding Cart
List Price:771.00 (USD) *See Details
K2299-1 SP-135 Plus/Welding Cart One-Pak


This user-friendly wire feeder/welder from Lincoln Electric is ready to help you make short work of many around-the-home jobs, hobby projects, autobody repairs or farm chores! The SP-135 Plus handles MIG welds on a wide range of materials including mild steel, stainless steel and aluminum. Flux-cored welds on mild steel are a breeze. Achieve outstanding performance on thin sheet metal to medium plate by fine-tuning the arc using the continuous output voltage and wire feed speed controls. The SP-135 Plus also boasts industry leading output and arc performance in the 115V machine class. To top it off, we've made it easy to get started – virtually everything you need to MIG weld mild steel is included in one convenient package! Just add shielding gas.


Advantage Lincoln

• Ready To Weld! Includes mild steel MIG wire and adjustable gas regulator and hose kit. Just add shielding gas (sold separately).
• Continuous full-range adjustment of voltage and wire feed speed allows for fine-tuning of the arc and precise control of heat input.
• Capabilities include welding 24 gauge through 5/16" mild steel plate. Install K663-2 to weld 22 gauge through 1/8" aluminum.
• Designed to feed .023-.035" (0.6-0.9mm) diameter mild and stainless steel MIG wire, .035" (0.9mm) diameter flux-cored wire and .035" diameter 4043 aluminum MIG wire.
• Welder settings reference chart conveniently located inside wire feed section door makes it easy to set the machine for mild steel welding jobs.
• Gun trigger safety feature keeps welding wire electrically "cold" until trigger is pressed.
• Adjustable brake spindle accommodates both 8" (200mm) diameter and 4" (100mm) diameter spools of wire.
• Built-in "burnback" function insures proper wire stickout after each weld with no sticking in the weld puddle.
• Engineered and built for dependable service and long life expectancy.
• "Quick Release" idle pressure arm easily adjusts wire tension for positive wire feeding.
• High torque low-RPM drive motor provides extra long life and quiet operation.
• Electronic full range motor speed control compensates for power supply variations to maintain constant wire feed speed.
• Electronic and thermostatic protection from current overload and excessive temperatures.
• CSA NRTL/C approved.
• Three year warranty on parts and labor. (90 days warranty on gun and cable).
• Manufactured under a quality system certified to ISO 9001 requirements.







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Description
Output
Input


Processes
MIG Flux-Cored

Unit Includes
Magnum® 100L gun and cable assembly with .023/.025" contact tip, 10 ft. work cable and work clamp, 6 ft input power cord with NEMA Type 5-15P plug for connection to standard 115 volt receptacles, factory installed gas solenoid valve for MIG welding, adjustable gas regulator and hose for Ar and Ar-blend gases (regulator requires an adapter — sold separately — for use with CO2 cylinders), 2 lb. spool .025" SuperArc™ L-56 mild steel MIG wire and .030" contact tip, and K2275-1 Welding Cart. Shielding gas sold separately. Assembly required.


Recommended General Options
K520 Utility Cart (150 cu.ft. bottle capacity)
K2377-1 Canvas Cover
KP1881-1 Drive Roll Kit - .023-.035" (0.6-0.9mm) Solid Wire
KP666-035C Drive Roll Kit - .035" (0.9mm) Cored Wire
K549-1 .035 Innershield Welding Kit
K663-2 .035 Aluminum Welding Kit
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K586-1 Deluxe Adjustable Gas Regulator and Hose Kit




Welding Specifications
Rated CV Output Amps/Volts/Duty Cycle Output Range Wire Feed Speed Range (IPM) Wire Feed Speed Range (M/MIN) Solid Wire Size Range Cored Wire Size Range
90/18/20% 25-135A DC 50-400 1.2-10.2 .023-.035" .035"



personally I like the lincoln better...comes with more

I have not welded with the niller, well i tacked with one once it seemed ok...

there ya go a side by side of both companies best 110vac 135 amp welders...happy buyin!
 

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on the welding forums. most guys DON'T like the "wire speed tracking" feature on the millers. other than that, they are about the same. other than, if you plan to weld aluminum. lincoln has a NICE teflon liner that feeds aluminum wire GREAT, my first hand experience. DON'T bother trying to weld aluminum with a 135 machine. a 175 machine would be good for "some" aluminum welding.
 

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Tried out the new lincoln powermig 350 today in class, thats the way to mig aluminum Jess. Pulse on Pulse pwns joo... will grab some pictures tommrow at school
 

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Either machine will do the job well, but I prefer Lincoln, its just what I use and what Im used to. So it basically just comes down to personal preference and opinion.
 

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I've been working in fab shops since i was 16. In my opinion, miller welders are much better for people doing a lot of hot welding, i.e., having the machine turned way up. I've only used the larger models (Lincoln 255, Lincoln 350MP, Miller 251, Miller Dynasty 350 TIG, Miller Power Unit) so I don't know how the smaller models compare. At my current job, we use Millers Power Units originally set up for robotic welders, that we put a wire feed unit on. These machines are awsome with a 100% duty cycle at about 400 amps. I've always had problems with Lincoln 255 and so has my dad. The main problem is getting it set right, but I've had problem getting the gas to flow right. With the Miller 251, getting it set takes a couple of minutes and then you are set until you change material thickness. I've never had problems getting the gas to flow good either. I will say that Miller MIG welders should not be your first choice when it comes to aluminum welding. For aluminum, the Lincoln 350 MP is hands down the best welder, IMO of course. But, Miller has a pulse welder that is supposed to be pretty good. With stainless steel, the Miller 251 does a very good job. I hav enot had a chance to try the Lincoln 350 MP yet but my guess is that it will do better than the 251 in pulse mode and about the same in regular mig mode. Millers tig machines seem to work better also, IMO. I would say that if you're going to be doing a lot of welding and have a 460v 3-phase outlet, and about $7000, get a miller power unit with a wire feed attached. Otherwise, it's a personal choice thing, kind of like ford vs chevy. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

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hey all, here is some info on the comperable hobart 110 welder:

Handler 140

The Handler® 140 operates off 115 volt standard household current for maximum versatility. Comes ready to weld with or without shielding gas, no additional kit required. With an amperage output range of 25 - 140, it easily handles a broad selection of solid mild steel or stainless, flux cored and aluminum wires.

500 500 $593.00 MSRP (US$)* (just welder)
#500 505 $655.00 MSRP (US$)* (welder with wheels and cylinder rack)

Comes complete with: Comfortable 10 ft. (3 m) H-10 MIG welding gun
Built-in gas valve
Regulator and gas hose
Power cord with plug
10 ft. (3 m) work cable with clamp
1 lb. spool of .030 in. (0.8mm) self-shielded flux cored welding wire
8 in (203 mm) wire spool adapter
Extra .030 in. (0.8 mm) contact tips
Weld set-up and parts information chart

Power CV
DC
1 Phase

Processes MIG (GMAW)
Flux Cored (FCAW)

Material Thickness Welds 24 gauge up to 1/4 inch

Skill Level Low

Applications Maintenance
Construction
Auto Body
Farm/Ranch
Rental
Home

Stock Numbers #500 500 115V, 60 Hz

#500 505 115V, 60 Hz
with Small Running Gear/ Cylinder Rack
Rated Output at 20% Duty Cycle 90 A at 19 VDC

63 A at 21 VDC (CSA Rating)
Current Range 25-140 amps
Max. Open-Circuit Voltage 28 V
Wire Feed Speed Range 40-700 IPM
50-740 IPM at no load
Amps Input at Rated Load, 60 Hz 115 V 20 15 CSA Rating
kVA 2.9 2.2 CSA Rating
kW 2.5 1.77 CSA Rating
Dimensions H: 12-3/8 in (315 mm)
W: 10-5/8 in (270 mm)
D: 19-1/2 in (495 mm)
Net Weight 57 lb (26 kg)

Welds 24 gauge up to 1/4 inch in steel
Proven built-in wire feeder with quick-release drive roll lever
Built-in contactor eases use and is an excellent safety feature which makes wire electrically "cold" when not welding.
Four output voltage settings with wire feed tracking provide quick and easy adjustment for different materials and thickness.
Separate "purge" setting to purge gas line and set flow rate without wasting wire
Easy access to polarity changeover includes storage holes for spare tips
Dual groove drive rolls make it easy to switch between .023/.025 in. (0.6 mm) and .030 - .035 in. (0.8 - 0.9 mm) wire
Self-resetting thermal overload and motor protection
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enjoy!
 

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how can you compare a hobart to a lincoln or miller :haha:

i have a pair of millers. it's what i was brought up on. but i do have a lincoln gasless welder somewhere. it's worthless though
 

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whitey97 said:
how can you compare a hobart to a lincoln or miller :haha:

i have a pair of millers. it's what i was brought up on. but i do have a lincoln gasless welder somewhere. it's worthless though
its just a comparison...to aid people in purchasing a welder lol
 

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oh, i know, i was just kidding it's all good, thanks for doing all the grunt work of finding out all that stuff. good job!

but your pricing is a bit off. i don't think i paid more than 500 for my miler 135 after tax. but otherwise it's all there! even the info video! ha ha ha
 

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the prices for those machines are what is displayed on the companies website...for more accurate pricing i would suggest contacting a local welding supply house such as welco or air/gas
 

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Hobart's are made by Miller look at you Hobart gun (duh says MILLER)I prefer Miller to Lincoln for MIG but prefer Lincoln to Miller for ARC only because my Lincoln is an older model w/copper windingsJust my opinion Flame me if you must
 

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haha, calling a Hobart a POS but hyping up Miller...

The new Hobarts ARE Millers with a different name on the case.

I just bought a Lincoln Pro MIG 175, but couldn't tell you shit about it seeing as i have yet to use it.

...stupid 220 outlets!!
 

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Maybe someone could help me out here with a little knowledge.
I'm looking to buy this welder from someone, it's a Century (five star)
welder. On the left side of the welder it has 250 amp DC and on the right
side of the welder it has 295 amp AC. My question is if this thing going to last
and be reliable? And if so, how much would you pay for it?......thanks...:)
 

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I'll answer the century quetion. if you own one I'm sorry. If your looking at buying one DON'T.

I can answer the quetions on all the 115 machines up here sence I have recent personal exsperince. My uncle had a hobart. We didn't know it had like NO duty cycle at full power. Like I said he HAD a hobart.
as for the outher 2 machines, I needed a good portable machine so I had both the lincoln and miller 135. I bought the lincoln first because it was a tad cheaper. 3 machines later I ended up getting my money back on the lincoln and getting a miller. you really get the same with both machines if you purchase them new(lincoln aperently has a better marketing department than miller) and they'er allot cheaper if you buy them from a welding supply palce than they are listed on net. I payed 430 for the lincoln and 560 for the miller. Both are very good machines for light sheetmetal work, but the differnce is past 7 on the dial. you can really slam the miller harder and the power supply dosn't crap on you.

here are the cons on both machines
both machine cost almost 800 to convert over to aluminum
with a 20% duty cycle and a max of 1/8" with solid core wire nether machine will do a full single pass weld on a frame . the miller 175 will however do frame and tube work and it's only 150bux more, but still exspensive to convert to alum and it a 220v machine.

In my shop I use 2 single stage machines an old htp 240 and a millermatic 251.mine was never new, but I don't recomend the htp for novice users because even though it'll weld 3/4" inch steel In one pass it's kinda squirlly if it's not set right and will burn though sheet metal fast. plus I thinck they cost over 2grand brand new. I just got the the Miller 251to replase a machine that got swamped in the storm and it is a dream machine. I got the optional spool gun and 2 bottle rack and a trigas bottle for stainless the whole thing cost just over $2000

here are the cons.. they'er 220v machines, not portable, and expensive.
 

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bvr775 said:
I'll answer the century quetion. if you own one I'm sorry. If your looking at buying one DON'T.

I can answer the quetions on all the 115 machines up here sence I have recent personal exsperince. My uncle had a hobart. We didn't know it had like NO duty cycle at full power. Like I said he HAD a hobart.
as for the outher 2 machines, I needed a good portable machine so I had both the lincoln and miller 135. I bought the lincoln first because it was a tad cheaper. 3 machines later I ended up getting my money back on the lincoln and getting a miller. you really get the same with both machines if you purchase them new(lincoln aperently has a better marketing department than miller) and they'er allot cheaper if you buy them from a welding supply palce than they are listed on net. I payed 430 for the lincoln and 560 for the miller. Both are very good machines for light sheetmetal work, but the differnce is past 7 on the dial. you can really slam the miller harder and the power supply dosn't crap on you.

here are the cons on both machines
both machine cost almost 800 to convert over to aluminum
with a 20% duty cycle and a max of 1/8" with solid core wire nether machine will do a full single pass weld on a frame . the miller 175 will however do frame and tube work and it's only 150bux more, but still exspensive to convert to alum and it a 220v machine.

In my shop I use 2 single stage machines an old htp 240 and a millermatic 251.mine was never new, but I don't recomend the htp for novice users because even though it'll weld 3/4" inch steel In one pass it's kinda squirlly if it's not set right and will burn though sheet metal fast. plus I thinck they cost over 2grand brand new. I just got the the Miller 251to replase a machine that got swamped in the storm and it is a dream machine. I got the optional spool gun and 2 bottle rack and a trigas bottle for stainless the whole thing cost just over $2000

here are the cons.. they'er 220v machines, not portable, and expensive.
thats funny...i did single pass welds on my notch with complete penetration...:2far:
 
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