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The trucks of this era were not renown for being hallmarks for fuel efficiency, and inherently few trucks are. Given the particular truck and the environment in which it operates (winter, low speed/ stop & go drives, altitude, duration of 4WD usage, etc.) whatever you do will, at best, maybe yield a negligible increase in mileage. Your best bet, for economical ("cheap") solutions for optimal mileage, is to just keep it tuned and regularly serviced with standard (quality) parts and procedures. I don't know what your "hoped for results" are, but I wouldn't hold your breath for any major improvements.
You are definitely right about all that I had a Silverado brand new in 2013, the best I could get out of that 5.3l was 17 mpg but I had to drive 60 miles everyday round trip to get that half was up here half was down hill coasting so it made the numbers look good. Now with the S_10 where I living and my driving habits with the start and stops, I would be really happy to get an average of 15mpg, which would be a great improvement over the 12 mpg I am now getting. I am wondering if the new air filter will make any difference at all. I know it is what it is, keeping it maintained and my foot off the gas is probably the best I can do. Enjoy your day, I always welcome your comments.
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Do yourself a favor and pull a plug before you spend the money on a set. As long as they're firing correctly, have decent color and are not sooted up, new ones won't make a bit of difference. Same with the coil - either it works or it doesn't.
Tossing the orignal spider injector setup for an upgrade would be my first move.
I wonder what the elevation is doing to your mileage? Any time I visit altitudes like yours it feels like engines have about half the power of what they do at my home elevation of just over 3000ft.
It may just be something you have to live with, one of the prices to pay for living in beautiful mountains. Us flatlanders get better mileage but nothing to look at.
Good to know, this will save me a lot of money for something that won"t make a big difference. I would like to see my average go from 12mpg now to the 15 mpg that the manufacture stated I should get. But in REALITY , with the milage of the truck my, altitude and current driving, it probably Ain't going to happen, it is what it is I just need to keep it running and my foot off the gas. It is currently snow season up here now, and I like four wheel High and 4 wheel Low even have 2 60 pound tubes of sand over the back axle now. So it is what it is , so i will live with the results I guess. Thanks for your input, enjoy your day.
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PS: I do really enjoy our views up here. However today it is cold and windy, 18 degrees.

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Good to know, this will save me a lot of money for something that won"t make a big difference. I would like to see my average go from 12mpg now to the 15 mpg that the manufacture stated I should get. But in REALITY , with the milage of the truck my, altitude and current driving, it probably Ain't going to happen, it is what it is I just need to keep it running and my foot off the gas. It is currently snow season up here now, and I like four wheel High and 4 wheel Low even have 2 60 pound tubes of sand over the back axle now. So it is what it is , so i will live with the results I guess. Thanks for your input, enjoy your day.
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PS: I do really enjoy our views up here. However today it is cold and windy, 18 degrees.

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If this is the part you are referring, I am going to wait first to see if I can fix the problem cheaper. Can't afford this one right now.
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This is alot better deal than the first one I was sent. Going through Amazon , I can get a gift card for this purchase and get 4 times the actual price on gas points thru my local grocery store getting a dollar off per gallon. One question for you.. How do I know if I truly NEED this item???.
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This is alot better deal than the first one I was sent. Going through Amazon , I can get a gift card for this purchase and get 4 times the actual price on gas points thru my local grocery store getting a dollar off per gallon. One question for you.. How do I know if I truly NEED this item???.
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If you have the old poppet injectors, and that's likely unless someone changed them...make the change. Open the TB wide open and look inside the intake. If they're the old poppet style, you'll see the tube...it's black. If the line is covered in a gray sleeve, it's the new style. The tube, if you can see it, is white. It's a worthwhile upgrade. It won't make it a racer or get you milage like a Prius, But it will be a lot smoother, and will probably get rid of the dreaded P0300 misfire code. Seafoam or any of the other snake oil in a can products won't clean poppets.
 

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If you have the old poppet injectors, and that's likely unless someone changed them...make the change. Open the TB wide open and look inside the intake. If they're the old poppet style, you'll see the tube...it's black. If the line is covered in a gray sleeve, it's the new style. The tube, if you can see it, is white. It's a worthwhile upgrade. It won't make it a racer or get you milage like a Prius, But it will be a lot smoother, and will probably get rid of the dreaded P0300 misfire code. Seafoam or any of the other snake oil in a can products won't clean poppets.
Thanks for the explanation of the injectors, this item is new to me so I don't totally understand all this but my son will he and his friend will doing the maintenence between them they have had over a dozen S-10 vehicles over the years. He has bought 5 S-10 vehicles for his friends all over the country in the last two years. That's how I got mine.
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Hank, bite the bullet this spring as soon as y'all thaw out and get the injectors changed. If it hasn't already been replaced, your intake manifold gasket will take a dump on you and might take out the engine, replacing them should be part of the process since you'll already have almost all the induction off. I've made the swap on three, all are night and day difference.

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Hank, bite the bullet this spring as soon as y'all thaw out and get the injectors changed. If it hasn't already been replaced, your intake manifold gasket will take a dump on you and might take out the engine, replacing them should be part of the process since you'll already have almost all the induction off. I've made the swap on three, all are night and day difference.

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Ok I will keep his information available to remind me to do this when the weather gets better. Please tell me or give me pointers to tell me if my spider injectors are bad or not, currently not experiencing any problems of fuel not getting to engine or stalling , things like that.
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One thing you might consider is a block heater. Since it's so cold, and you're only doing short trips, as another poster noted the engine doesn't even have time to warm-up properly. That means you're running in Open Loop, which is very inefficient, since the O2 sensor isn't controlling the mixture via its inputs to the ECU.

An added Plus is you'll have instant heat. Here's a universal engine coolant heater that you don't install in the block itself, but rather it connects to the cooling system hoses. So likely a much simpler installation. I did find some posts here about the style of heater that takes the place of an engine block freeze plug, and the install sounds a bit "hairy".


Another, cheaper solution is to block off a portion of the grille, for reduced airflow thru the radiator.

Last year it was so cold in PNW that my Gen I 3.4 (it's a GM V6 swap) Trooper wasn't getting warmed up when I was taking my daughter to work. Getting bad mpg. I just tie-wrapped a chunk of cardboard to block about half the grille, and it made quite a difference. Faster heat, smoother running, and mpg went up quite a bit.

This year I made a nicer wooden block-off panel which covers the entire opening. It has 2 spring-loaded J-hooks to hold it in place. Man, what a difference! Even in 13 degree weather it works very well. The heater gets hot fast and I end up having to turn it down after a while, whereas before I was running full-blast even on the trip home. The Trooper has some big rectangular holes in the valence below the grille, so I expect it's still getting plenty of air to the rad via those. No problems with overheating, even in mid-40's temps.

Looking at your grille, maybe block off the larger upper section. I'd just cut a piece of cardboard to fit and tie it in. Heck, you could just use some small cord in each corner, to hold it in place for the experiment. Or tape it in place, just be sure to use the right tape so you don't get a ton of ugly residue!

See how that goes and if it warms up faster, you're on the right track. You could then block half of the lower section and see what that does.

Last thought, if the rig has a lot of miles, you might consider replacing the upstream O2 sensor. A sensor can degrade and send a "too lean" signal to the ECM, which then injects more fuel. This OE ACDelco sensor at Amazon is probably the cheapest shipped price for an original sensor, if you have Prime:


Otherwise, check out eBay or Rockauto for similar deals.


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One thing you might consider is a block heater. Since it's so cold, and you're only doing short trips, as another poster noted the engine doesn't even have time to warm-up properly. That means you're running in Open Loop, which is very inefficient, since the O2 sensor isn't controlling the mixture via its inputs to the ECU.

An added Plus is you'll have instant heat. Here's a universal engine coolant heater that you don't install in the block itself, but rather it connects to the cooling system hoses. So likely a much simpler installation. I did find some posts here about the style of heater that takes the place of an engine block freeze plug, and the install sounds a bit "hairy".

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Another, cheaper solution is to block off a portion of the grille, for reduced airflow thru the radiator.

Last year it was so cold in PNW that my Gen I 3.4 (it's a GM V6 swap) Trooper wasn't getting warmed up when I was taking my daughter to work. Getting bad mpg. I just tie-wrapped a chunk of cardboard to block about half the grille, and it made quite a difference. Faster heat, smoother running, and mpg went up quite a bit.

This year I made a nicer wooden block-off panel which covers the entire opening. It has 2 spring-loaded J-hooks to hold it in place. Man, what a difference! Even in 13 degree weather it works very well. The heater gets hot fast and I end up having to turn it down after a while, whereas before I was running full-blast even on the trip home. The Trooper has some big rectangular holes in the valence below the grille, so I expect it's still getting plenty of air to the rad via those. No problems with overheating, even in mid-40's temps.

Looking at your grille, maybe block off the larger upper section. I'd just cut a piece of cardboard to fit and tie it in. Heck, you could just use some small cord in each corner, to hold it in place for the experiment. Or tape it in place, just be sure to use the right tape so you don't get a ton of ugly residue!

See how that goes and if it warms up faster, you're on the right track. You could then block half of the lower section and see what that does.

Last thought, if the rig has a lot of miles, you might consider replacing the upstream O2 sensor. A sensor can degrade and send a "too lean" signal to the ECM, which then injects more fuel. This OE ACDelco sensor at Amazon is probably the cheapest shipped price for an original sensor, if you have Prime:


Otherwise, check out eBay or Rockauto for similar deals.


Hope that helps............... ed
I got plenty of cardboard. I will con-conc some diabolical radiator cover and see what happens. Also this soon to be Black Beast is hangared nightly. In a full insulated non- heated dwelling, I refer to as a garage, rarely gets the privilege of an overnight campout under the stars. Thanks for your info.
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Well, that does make a lot of difference being in any kind of insulated structure. Of course as soon as you're driving the rad gets hit with that cold air. So blocking the grille should still help it warm up faster, which is a great thing for short trips.
My poor Trooper is sitting out in the cold, Brrr! I did put one of those "Golden Rod" 25-Watt heater rods inside on the dash, and that does help with condensation. At least the inside of the windshield doesn't ice up now!!!
 

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Well, that does make a lot of difference being in any kind of insulated structure. Of course as soon as you're driving the rad gets hit with that cold air. So blocking the grille should still help it warm up faster, which is a great thing for short trips.
My poor Trooper is sitting out in the cold, Brrr! I did put one of those "Golden Rod" 25-Watt heater rods inside on the dash, and that does help with condensation. At least the inside of the windshield doesn't ice up now!!!
I will try the cardboard in the grill in the morning when I get back from taking the granddaughter to school. Right now the truck is parked in its stall under the workbench so I don't have access to the grill. Thanks for your input..
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Ok, Maybe it is choking because it needs more air. Tomorrow I will be filling up. Only about 140 on this tank. When I get home I will pull out the air filter, for a tank full to see if that makes any difference, I get it at this altitude and my driving habits, I should not expect much, another guy suggested changing plugs and coil. That also is do-able I am sure with 156k on it this could not hurt anything. Thank you for your input, have a nice day
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Do you ever smell fuel??? Sounds to me like a leak somewhere perhaps the return line to the tank. Also,maybe bad fuel injectors leaking but would think you might get avenging e light. Seems like you should be getting a little better than that, bit the 4.3 is a gas hog.
 

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Do you ever smell fuel??? Sounds to me like a leak somewhere perhaps the return line to the tank. Also,maybe bad fuel injectors leaking but would think you might get avenging e light. Seems like you should be getting a little better than that, bit the 4.3 is a gas hog.
Nope no fuel leak or smell did you see the photos above to the clogged air filter, I was choking the engine. Thanks for responding.
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TONIGHTS NEW HEAT SHIELD:
OK several of you suggested I am not getting my truck warmed up during my daily drive and have suggested several things to do. Tonight I did the cardboard thing that was bought to my attention. Tomorrow's high I suggested to be in the 40's. Let's see what tonight's cardboard concoction works. Please see the before and after. I am using a single piece of commercial one inch velcro to hold it on,used my heat gun to get it really sealed, to
speed I will reach is only 35 so I don't think it will blow off.
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