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So some of you may know that AC Delco oil filters are manufactured by Champion, I knew this for a while.

But what I did not know is that Champion was bought by TRICO which is now First Brands Group which is the parent company to FRAM.

So pretty much AC Delco oil filters are made by FRAM.

Which I find interesting because I prefer running OEM oil filters on my vehicles but I have not been a fan of FRAM in the past.

Anyways what is your thoughts on this, do you like FRAM, have you had a good experience or bad experience from FRAM?

And since on this topic what oil filters do you use?
 

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I used AC Delco filters until the non "E" versions became hard to find, switched to Royal Purple. Used the "UPF" Delcos a few times but the Royal Purples aren't too much more $$. Bought a box of 12, should last me 12 years at the rate I put miles on.
 

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What's the deal about E? because mine is PF47E
There's lots of discussion on that one... basically short for E Core, and there's plastic parts where there used to be metal.

 

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There's lots of discussion on that one... basically short for E Core, and there's plastic parts where there used to be metal.

Oh I personally am not to worried about that from watching videos they seem stout enough, at least for my oil change intervals which is 3,000 miles or 6 months.
 

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I've noticed the "E-core" Delco filters are also smaller than their original counterpart. I still use AC Delco when available but I tend to favor Wix nowadays.
 

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I've noticed the "E-core" Delco filters are also smaller than their original counterpart. I still use AC Delco when available but I tend to favor Wix nowadays.
Walmart carries the AC Delco PF47E for $3.97 in many places. Wix is pretty good though.

They do advertise it as
"6-12% smaller in size, while maintaining the same filtration media area, when compared to traditional filters. "

"Has 10 times more open area than a traditional metal core for improved flow "
 

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Well, I wouldn't worry much if you're changing every 3k. That's complete overkill unless you are using the thing in extreme/commercial settings.
 

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Well, I wouldn't worry much if you're changing every 3k. That's complete overkill unless you are using the thing in extreme/commercial settings.
My truck gets mostly in town driving, stop/go and I live in a very hilly state. The way I see it oil is cheap, engines are not. I do not subscribe to the whole 10,000 mile interval stuff. 3500 is the max I go between oil changes.

I may up it to 4000 since I had to switch to Quaker State All Mileage which is a synthetic blend because they no longer sell conventional near me.
 

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My truck gets mostly in town driving, stop/go and I live in a very hilly state. The way I see it oil is cheap, engines are not. I do not subscribe to the whole 10,000 mile interval stuff. 3500 is the max I go between oil changes.

I may up it to 4000 since I had to switch to Quaker State All Mileage which is a synthetic blend because they no longer sell conventional near me.
I'm a 3k oil changer also. Mobil1 Full synthetic and oil filter.
 

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NAPA Gold is the same as Wix. That's who makes the Gold ones for NAPA. Just different box and label.
Saying that an ACDelco is made by Fram is a stretch. I'm sure the actual factory makes a hundred different brands. Each to the specifications of the retailer.
You can buy a Cannon bath towel at Walmart that weighs a few ounces and at Macy's on 5th Avenue that weighs a couple pounds. Both are made by the same facility, but to different customers specs.
And in today's world both the oil filter and towel likely were made in Shenzhen to Cannon's and Fram's specs. The container ship transporting them usually takes 23 days and burns 1.5 million gallons of diesel (one way). Talk about Global warming.
 

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I'm a 3k oil changer also. Mobil1 Full synthetic and oil filter.
3k is the way to go, plus GM designed these engines with a 3,000 mile interval.

"Every 3,000 Miles (5 000 km): Engine Oil and Filter Change (or 3 months, whichever occurs first). Chassis Lubrication (or 3 months, whichever occurs first). Drive Axle Service."

That is from my 2003 S10's owners manual. Synthetic oil was widely available before 2003 so it is not like GM didn't know about synthetic when they built my truck but they still recommended a 3k interval.

Now in reality I don't see an issue doubling it and going 6k intervals on full synthetic oil but I still call BS on that 10k or 20k interval they are pushing now days.

But I don't run full synthetic I was running conventional but have no choice but to use synthetic blend "all mileage" now because conventional has been halted. But even with the synthetic blend the most I would go is 4k or 7 months instead of the 3k or 6 month intervals I always do on my vehicles.

These hills in my state are not easy on vehicles so that is another reason for me.
 

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3k is the way to go, plus GM designed these engines with a 3,000 mile interval.

"Every 3,000 Miles (5 000 km): Engine Oil and Filter Change (or 3 months, whichever occurs first). Chassis Lubrication (or 3 months, whichever occurs first). Drive Axle Service."

That is from my 2003 S10's owners manual. Synthetic oil was widely available before 2003 so it is not like GM didn't know about synthetic when they built my truck but they still recommended a 3k interval.

Now in reality I don't see an issue doubling it and going 6k intervals on full synthetic oil but I still call BS on that 10k or 20k interval they are pushing now days.

But I don't run full synthetic I was running conventional but have no choice but to use synthetic blend "all mileage" now because conventional has been halted. But even with the synthetic blend the most I would go is 4k or 7 months instead of the 3k or 6 month intervals I always do on my vehicles.

These hills in my state are not easy on vehicles so that is another reason for me.
If you go to the next page in your manual, you'll see the Long trip/Highway interval recommendation is 7,500 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first. I realize that your conditions call for the more frequent/standard 3,000 mile change, but they did approve an extended interval (conditions apply) with conventional oil in mind.

I also have a 2003 truck, and when I purchased it in 2002, I decided to go 4,000 miles right from the start. I also used Mobil 1 synthetic blend 7,500 mile oil and Mobil 1 filter. I drove mostly steady speeds, but I would also run it to 4,500-5,000 rpm (4.3L 5-speed) a couple times each drive. I followed that schedule until 100,000 miles (4 years), then extended it to every 5,000 miles. By 2009 Mobil 1 discontinued the synthetic blend, so I changed to Mobil 1 15,000 mile oil and extended mile oil filter, and moved to a 10,000 mile interval. Though it costs more than conventional oil, because the intervals are longer the cost evens out. This was near 140,000 miles. I have followed that schedule ever since and am nearing 260,000 miles on my original motor.

Now full disclosure, my motor doesn't smoke/burn oil but I have had an oil leak from the rear of the motor since around 2011. It now leaks about 1-3+ qts between oil changes depending on the outside temperature, so the oil does get somewhat of a "refresh" between changes. I still run my truck hard, but I don't really go past 4,500 rpm anymore.

I think the 3,000 rule is good in general for these and other older vehicles, but I haven't had any issues going the extended intervals in my truck, taking into consideration I have taken care of my truck since new, and what I have already stated.
 

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Oil change intervals has everything to do with how the vehicle is used.
Little old lady going to church and for errands is one of the worst for sludge since they don't get the engine or oil hot enough to boil off the water.
Long highway hauls is best for obvious reasons.
Hard work towing is another category.
For most daily drivers, 4000 - 5000 is good. Long haul is the same way. Towing, I wouldn't go over half that.
For the most part, oil doesn't "wear out", it gets dirty from blowby ash among other things.
I have a buddy who is in charge if a 30 vehicle fleet, all pickups used as true work trucks. They have been using Amsoil for years.
January 1st - 3rd, everybody gets new oil and a filter.
July 1st - 3rd, new filter and oil top off. They average over 10K between changes and have no more oil related issues than anybody who changes at twice or three times this interval. I've been inside some of these engines after 100K on them and they're like new.
 

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I used to do the 3 months or 3,000 miles a decade ago, but with oils getting better and better I only change it once a year usually averaging under 1,000 miles per year. With a 4.3L in my 2002 and relatively low miles, I feel running standard dino is sufficient for my needs for years to come.
 
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