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Afternoon all!

I just bought my first s10 since I was 16. It has always been a dream of building my own custom mini.

So, the key has been lost, I did a horrible job on drilling out the cylinder to replace it. the truck is 1.5 hours away in another town away from my garage and tools.

Long story short, I drilled it out pretty darn terribly. I assumed that the truck didn't have any type of security embedded.

1. Am I going to give myself a security problem if I install a new key and cylinder, is there a way to check if my vehicle has security built in? maybe by VIN or something?

2. Also, since I did horrible with the drill job, I cannot get it to turn to accessory position to release. Can I just change the larger assembly? in this case just replace the lock cylinder housing?
I Cannot find a part number or parts diagram for the housing. Does anyone know or can someone send a picture of the part? or procedures to do this?

I would love any and all suggestions, and if mechanics are in the apache, OK or southern OK area let me know!

Thanks for your time and help! I am excited to get to work on it, but first I have to get it home.
 

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What year? You posted this in the first gen forum so if it is a 82 to 93, or even a 94 you are in luck the ignition tumbler is not too hard to replace, but it takes a few special tools. First you need a steering wheel puller, and second a lock plate tool.

Remove steering wheel, remove lock plate but DO NOT DAMAGE THE LITTLE WIRE RING! That little wire ring literally holds the entire column together. Then remove the little bar from the turn signal switch to the arm. Remove the hazard button (#1 Phillips) and then finally remove the 3 screws holding the turn signal switch. Go under the dash, free up the turn signal switch wires and feed them up the column enough to get the switch out of the way. Now there is a little plastic thing with 2 copper arms that is blocking the screw to remove the lock cylinder. Use needle nosed pliers to remove, it and the spring. They need to go in together so dont leave the spring behind. Now a T20 or maybe T15 torx (Phillips if it’s really old) will remove the screw holding the lock. Replace lock and reassemble in reverse order.

hope this helps.

Door locks require the removal of the interior door panels and some fishing around inside the door.
 

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What year? You posted this in the first gen forum so if it is a 82 to 93, or even a 94 you are in luck the ignition tumbler is not too hard to replace, but it takes a few special tools. First you need a steering wheel puller, and second a lock plate tool.

Remove steering wheel, remove lock plate but DO NOT DAMAGE THE LITTLE WIRE RING! That little wire ring literally holds the entire column together. Then remove the little bar from the turn signal switch to the arm. Remove the hazard button (#1 Phillips) and then finally remove the 3 screws holding the turn signal switch. Go under the dash, free up the turn signal switch wires and feed them up the column enough to get the switch out of the way. Now there is a little plastic thing with 2 copper arms that is blocking the screw to remove the lock cylinder. Use needle nosed pliers to remove, it and the spring. They need to go in together so dont leave the spring behind. Now a T20 or maybe T15 torx (Phillips if it’s really old) will remove the screw holding the lock. Replace lock and reassemble in reverse order.

hope this helps.

Door locks require the removal of the interior door panels and some fishing around inside the door.
Ok, sorry, I am new to the forums, and forums in general :(

Is there a way to move this to the proper forum? does a admin do that?

I will try this, my S10 is a 1997, will this translate to my truck?
 

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Ok, sorry, I am new to the forums, and forums in general :(

Is there a way to move this to the proper forum? does a admin do that?

I will try this, my S10 is a 1997, will this translate to my truck?
No, my post above covers the Saginaw column used in just about every GM vehicle from the 80’s and 90’s.

While I can change out the lock cylinders on these columns, I do not know them well enough to be able to explain all the steps here in the proper order. It isn’t difficult, there are YouTube videos on the subject. You will most likely have to reprogram the pass lock system, but the good news is it can be done from home, it just takes 30+ minutes to do.
 

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No, my post above covers the Saginaw column used in just about every GM vehicle from the 80’s and 90’s.

While I can change out the lock cylinders on these columns, I do not know them well enough to be able to explain all the steps here in the proper order. It isn’t difficult, there are YouTube videos on the subject. You will most likely have to reprogram the pass lock system, but the good news is it can be done from home, it just takes 30+ minutes to do.
Must be nice to have that kind of memory.
Sometimes I go into the damned bathroom and forget why I'm there. As long as I don't crap my pants while standing there waiting to pee, I'll call it a win.
 

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No, my post above covers the Saginaw column used in just about every GM vehicle from the 80’s and 90’s.

While I can change out the lock cylinders on these columns, I do not know them well enough to be able to explain all the steps here in the proper order. It isn’t difficult, there are YouTube videos on the subject. You will most likely have to reprogram the pass lock system, but the good news is it can be done from home, it just takes 30+ minutes to do.
Awesome, wow this forum is so quick!! Thanks for the replys.
Must be nice to have that kind of memory.
Sometimes I go into the damned bathroom and forget why I'm there. As long as I don't crap my pants while standing there waiting to pee, I'll call it a win.
LOL this is why i love this forum. I got help in less than 20 minutes from a darn SME.
 

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No, my post above covers the Saginaw column used in just about every GM vehicle from the 80’s and 90’s.

While I can change out the lock cylinders on these columns, I do not know them well enough to be able to explain all the steps here in the proper order. It isn’t difficult, there are YouTube videos on the subject. You will most likely have to reprogram the pass lock system, but the good news is it can be done from home, it just takes 30+ minutes to do.
Ok, so my conundrum is should I fix it where it sits, and hope I can get it running. or try to tow it back home. I will research this, and hopefully save some money and do it where it sits.

I just have to be confident that I can fix it. Since I ruined the lock cylinder, will I be able to do any of this? can the assymbly that the cylinder sits in be changed? I think the damage done to the slot might be to great to be used. I was going to go to a junkyard and try to find another housing and cylinder, but this time, have a profesional locksmith just pick it to remove it.

Backstory, I have drove the 3 hr round trip drive 4 times to try to get this vehicle. and each time, drove away defeated. I would just get it towed, but I am doing this on a disabled vets budget and times are tough.
 

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Robert, good luck with it. The ones that are the most trouble are the ones that are remembered.

I bet my high school principal still knows my birthday and the party he threw the day I graduated.
 

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Pretty sure the Haynes, Chiltons and GM service manuals cover the proceedure. If you plan on keeping the vehicle it won't be a bad thing to have a manual around for things in the future.
I was just looking at one, thank god they finally made them digital, I am about to buy it, I was worried that it wouldn't cover something more complex, I just remembered those books showing the simple stuff.
 

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Must be nice to have that kind of memory.
Sometimes I go into the damned bathroom and forget why I'm there. As long as I don't crap my pants while standing there waiting to pee, I'll call it a win.
That memory came from 10 years of rebuilding those columns for the various body shops near me for theft recovery repairs. This same column was used in one form or another since the 1970 model year, and ran until 2002 when it was finally retired when the Camaro was. Also it was used in AMC, and Chrysler products, and it’s the basis for the IDIDIT street rod columns.
 

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Robert, good luck with it. The ones that are the most trouble are the ones that are remembered.

I bet my high school principal still knows my birthday and the party he threw the day I graduated.
No luck needed with yall, So I went ahead and bought the book like mostizzle suggest, I went with alldata. I found the part in freaking 10 minutes. so much for google hahaha.

would this work? if I went to the junkyard/ebay and find part number 26036474, could I just swap that out with the original with the damage ignition cylinder? or would it not come apart since it is still technically locked? Number 15 in the diagram.
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If you damaged part 15, you may as well just get a column from a wrecking yard and run with it complete. It would take far less time to swap the whole column. If the column comes with a key even better. If you only damaged #17, then you can get new ones of them at auto part stores.
 

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Thanks, Honestly, I feel like I might be ablee to just find a steering column like you said. these are everywhere in junkyards around OKC.

But like you said, I need to get out to the truck again this weekend to see if I did ruin part 15. thanks!! Everyone!
 

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Just a thought.
You can still remove the ignition cylinder from the ignition switch itself. And manually turn the ignition switch to get the truck to start.

Then you can at least drive it to where you have tools etc.
 

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Just a thought.
You can still remove the ignition cylinder from the ignition switch itself. And manually turn the ignition switch to get the truck to start.

Then you can at least drive it to where you have tools etc.
No, the pass lock system prevents that from happening.
 

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Truck is a '97, what passlock?
 
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