yea, thats kinda what im getting at is the lengths, those bags on art site do not look like they will get the lift i want, i want to be able to go from the frame on the ground, to about the ride height of a stock extreme or regular s10 (fully compressed to fully maxed out, i dont want my ride height to be that high), i wonder if i got some f9's, i could make two brackets similar to the ones on arts website and have an the same setup, just with taller bags that extend higher than the ones offered in the kit.....