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Alright guys! I don't really know shit about computers or electronics, so hopefully you all can help me out.

I know that this has been done before, I've seen at least two people who has had success with it. Basically, what I'm wanting to do is wire an old school Nintendo NES Controller into my truck to make it a switchbox for my air ride.

I've got it all mapped out for the most part, as far as what is what and where each circuit goes. But the problem that I'm having is how do I integrate all of this into a 12v automotive electrical system and keep it all functional?

I'm only running a 6 valve setup for my air ride, 4 up front and 2 in the rear. And from what I understand, I'll have to wire the controller to a set of relays to draw a higher wattage of power directly from my battery.

I did all of my original switchbox wiring and have also had experience with a headlight wiring upgrade which included relays to run my Envoy HIDs. In theory, this all sounds simple. But for some reason I'm having trouble making sense of it all.

I'm thinking that I want to solder each individual valve positive lead to the corresponding pin on the IC chip(?). That way when power is drawn through the circuit via pressing the corresponding button, it'll open the valve. Of course, like I said, I'll be doing this all through relays to keep from burning up the very small wires that I'll be soldering to each pin.

Hopefully those of you who have more electronic experience can help me out! Thanks in advance!

Here are some of the diagrams that I have to work with:
This is how I want the buttons to function.


This is a break down of the internal circuits of the Original NES Controller.


Here are a few more diagrams that I've came across.




Here are actually schematics for the IC chip(?) thats soldered to all of the circuits.





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whats the max amp/volts the controller can handle?

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i tried to wire one up for a member here but it would not trigger the relays for some reason.. i ran new wire to a small box that housed the relays and still no luck


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whats the max amp/volts the controller can handle?
I read that the maximum voltage was 15v. Not sure about the amperage though.

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i tried to wire one up for a member here but it would not trigger the relays for some reason.. i ran new wire to a small box that housed the relays and still no luck
Damn, that's the problem that I was having. They'd just make a very faint "click", but I got no response from the valves. What did you do with the clock, latch, and data wires?

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Damn, that's the problem that I was having. They'd just make a very faint "click", but I got no response from the valves. What did you do with the clock, latch, and data wires?
i just ran my own wires out of teh controller


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i just ran my own wires out of teh controller
So you didn't use any of the wires that were on the original Nintendo cord?

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So you didn't use any of the wires that were on the original Nintendo cord?
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I'm thinking the main problem is what to do with the extra wires coming off of the original cord. The "clock" and "latch" wires, I think, are the ones that send out (or in, I don't know) the pulsating signals that tell the circuits what button is doing what.

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Re: Nintendo Controller to Air Ride Switchbox???

this is probably to easy to work, but, can you use a multimeter on the continuity testing and test which circuit conducts when a button is pressed?

edit: i just saw that the guy in the ebay ad said that you can have his controller. the truck on 24's. dont know if you noticed that yet.

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this is probably to easy to work, but, can you use a multimeter on the continuity testing and test which circuit conducts when a button is pressed?

edit: i just saw that the guy in the ebay ad said that you can have his controller. the truck on 24's. dont know if you noticed that yet.
I know which circuit does what, I figured that out by taking the front cover off of the controller and actually hooking it up to a Nintendo while it was on. You shoulda seen me, I was playing Super Mario Bros. with just a circuit board and a piece of speaker wire to connect the power lead to different pins on the chip! lol

Basically, the problem is that I don't know how to hook up the "clock", "latch", and "data" wires to my truck. I know how I'm gonna hook up each individual valve, along with the power and ground. It's just those 3 other wires.

Yeah, I seen that the guy in the other thread is offering me the Nintendo controller. I PM'd him, and he's gonna get me some pics. I'll decide from there whether I want that one or not.

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Okay, so I gave it much thought through out the day and decided that I was WAY over thinking it. Basically what I'm gonna try and do is take the IC chip out completely, then I'm gonna cut into the circuit board to eliminate any kind of unwanted circuits or loops. After that, I'm just gonna run power to what used to be the grounds. Sounds confusing, but I drew it all up and in theory it should work. I'll post up some pics later.

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Okay, so I gave it much thought through out the day and decided that I was WAY over thinking it. Basically what I'm gonna try and do is take the IC chip out completely, then I'm gonna cut into the circuit board to eliminate any kind of unwanted circuits or loops. After that, I'm just gonna run power to what used to be the grounds. Sounds confusing, but I drew it all up and in theory it should work. I'll post up some pics later.
that is what i did and i could not get the current to go through the switches to trigger the relays...


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Re: Nintendo Controller to Air Ride Switchbox???

Like said above remove the IC the serial communication will not work with the valves.

About the membrane style switch it will work but will not pass much current at all, you will need small relays like reed relays that it can control.

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okay.... i can tell you something, this CAN be done... BUT take that circuit board you see there and throw it out hte window... first off you need a clock chip.. more than likely runs on 5V VCC so your gonna then need a 10-16V in 5V output DC-DC regulator + the circuit that usually goes with the feedback etc...

next your going to need something to take the data on the data line and send it to relays when the appropriate button is pushed... again not THAT hard BUT from this point you now need to know what chip is inside the NES that does this... also, that graph with the data line out makes NO sense... each button appears to have the same effect on the data line so theres something wrong with that research...

my suggestion is as follows:

if you want to make this thing look factory.. give up now... i could prolly do it but it would take me HOURS of research and in short, what you would need to design is something that the NES controller plugs into. If you did that, you can h ave all your circuitry in the housing etc.. honestly its not worth it.. the cost of ICs, the cost of finding that NES style connector housing, the cost of R&D... in short.. give me about 5000 and i'll give you a working solution to your problem using what i just described to ya but besides that..forget it... not worth the time

just cut that thing up, have new switches installed and run new wires...

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here ya go... datasheet for the logic chip... its a shift register

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...IL/CD4021.html

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okay.... i can tell you something, this CAN be done... BUT take that circuit board you see there and throw it out hte window... first off you need a clock chip.. more than likely runs on 5V VCC so your gonna then need a 10-16V in 5V output DC-DC regulator + the circuit that usually goes with the feedback etc...

next your going to need something to take the data on the data line and send it to relays when the appropriate button is pushed... again not THAT hard BUT from this point you now need to know what chip is inside the NES that does this... also, that graph with the data line out makes NO sense... each button appears to have the same effect on the data line so theres something wrong with that research...

my suggestion is as follows:

if you want to make this thing look factory.. give up now... i could prolly do it but it would take me HOURS of research and in short, what you would need to design is something that the NES controller plugs into. If you did that, you can h ave all your circuitry in the housing etc.. honestly its not worth it.. the cost of ICs, the cost of finding that NES style connector housing, the cost of R&D... in short.. give me about 5000 and i'll give you a working solution to your problem using what i just described to ya but besides that..forget it... not worth the time

just cut that thing up, have new switches installed and run new wires...

FYI im an electrical engineer lol

Looks like If I wanted to press DOWN I would,
Take latch High '1' then low again '0'
then send on DATA at the same time the button data string for example.

......1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8
LATCH.1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0
DATA..0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0

That is my take on the system. it is a single byte of data sent every clock cycle via Serial protocal

So a Basic stamp could be used to convert Serial to Contact closure.

Again I could be way off on this lol

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wooooooooooowwwwwww.... yall are speaking jibberish like a mofo. i dont understand one thing any of u just said. i wish i hadnt opened this thread
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Yeah, I hooked it all up like I described earlier. There was enough current that passed through the circuits to light up a single LED bulb, but there wasn't enough current to trigger a valve.

I think what I'm gonna do is what MeltingPlastic described. I found some 6mm Omron momentary push buttons on eBay. I'll pick up about 10 of them and then wire it up like your standard switchbox using the tiny Omron buttons behind the original NES buttons.

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i just picked up an old nes controller from my cuzn to see if i can reverse engineer the chip and make a box that the controller plugs into... this is gonna be a back burner project till about october(after show season) if it works out well i'll post up plans for everyone but i'll offer no warranty/support for it lol

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a buddy of mine has a playstation controller for his, uses all original buttons on it. not sure how he did it.

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http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hc164.pdf

serial to parallel shift register... basically this will reverse what hte chip is doing... the only signal im confused about is the "latch" signal which appears to be a clear... may have to order something sooner than expected lol... someone buy me a 12mhz crystal, this shift register, and a 5v regulator! lol

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BAM 5v regulator

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/LM%2FLM7805E.pdf

12mhz 5v oscillator

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Re: Nintendo Controller to Air Ride Switchbox???

so i priced out... enough electrical components to build one with a few spare parts is going to cost about $25 or so plus shipping... this will allow for the control of 8 valves(LEDs are used to be tested) i have ideas in my head to allow for pressing the A button for up control and hte B button for down control and the arrows control the corners..

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fyi after indy, i'll be doing some simulations before i spend money on this stuff even though its not too expensive

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fyi after indy, i'll be doing some simulations before i spend money on this stuff even though its not too expensive
Damn! You're all about it now! I haven't the slightest clue as to what all that stuff is or how it's supposed to work! lol Think that I'll just stick to using tiny buttons inside of an original controller for now.

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like i said, i want to be able to make a circuit that you just plug the controller into and it works. I asked a sr engineer at my work about the shift registers and he gave me some tips about making it work... he said my theory is correct but to search around cause there may be better chips to use than the serial to parallel i posted.. for right now i'm gonna have them drive LEDS to test that they work but you can use them to then drive BJTs so that you have more current to activate valves! i've been meaning to do something fun as a side project like this that didnt involve time in the garage and now i found it lol

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http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hc164.pdf

serial to parallel shift register... basically this will reverse what hte chip is doing... the only signal im confused about is the "latch" signal which appears to be a clear... may have to order something sooner than expected lol... someone buy me a 12mhz crystal, this shift register, and a 5v regulator! lol
Yes Latch is similar to CLEAR,

I have used this before to signal data string start

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Re: Nintendo Controller to Air Ride Switchbox???

the reason why it is marked as latch and not clear is because theres no latches on the chip i posted i found a better one that has built in latches which is what this application needs in reality... man my mind is running with this thing lol

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the reason why it is marked as latch and not clear is because theres no latches on the chip i posted i found a better one that has built in latches which is what this application needs in reality... man my mind is running with this thing lol

FYI u can do the same thing with an SNES controller
If you get this all figured out, and come up with a working example... you should post up a "How To" for us that are electronically challanged, like myself.

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i am very interested in doing this also. i like the idea.
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Wow, I don't even have any air set up on my truck, but i want this!

Would this basicly work out the same with the super nes one also?

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Wow, I don't even have any air set up on my truck, but i want this!

Would this basicly work out the same with the super nes one also?
yes, from the research i did the snes controller is a 10 bit shift register(or 16 i forgot) but it has more buttons so more shift registers... im gonna start simulating it tonight and i'll let people know how it goes. i wanna know the parts i chose will work befor ei spend money on them and take the time to solder them to a board

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yes, from the research i did the snes controller is a 10 bit shift register(or 16 i forgot) but it has more buttons so more shift registers... im gonna start simulating it tonight and i'll let people know how it goes. i wanna know the parts i chose will work befor ei spend money on them and take the time to solder them to a board
Awesome man! Definitely keep us updated. I was hoping that someone like you with knowledge of electronics would come in and save my thread! lol

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Re: Nintendo Controller to Air Ride Switchbox???

did a little bit more of research... the latch signal is a high for 12us at a frequency of 60hz. so that is something i need to figure out how to mimic in circuit... in simulation i can just mimic it with a pulse timer, 12us high then 16655us low... i got a lot going on in my personal life right now(just broke up with my gf, sister having twins on fri, car shows) so this project may take a back seat but i will update whtever i can find

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oh and i hope to use a 555 timer as my pulse generator.. idk but i see this becoming quite hard to get working due to timings... hmmmm

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That's cool, I've got nothing but time.

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okay so i went to go simulate this thing last night and started to simulate the nes controller section... yea well needless to say PSPICE doesnt come with a simulation profile for the CD4021.. it has the drawing of it but if you go to simulate it it just ignores the chip... someone find me pspice files damnit!

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Okay... so i started to look into this again as the show seasons over and i'm bored... heres what ive come up with.. and yes i still need to order the parts

on the new IC, the serial to parallel shift register, http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74HC595.pdf


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Pin 8 : GND
Pin 16: 5V
Pin 11: 12MHz crystal (Pin 2 on controller)
Pin 14: Pin 3 from NES's shift register(pin 4 on controller)
Pin 12: Pin 9 from NES's shift register(pin 3 on controller)

and i'm pretty sure i'm going to have to ground pin 13 and put 5V at pin 10. I know pin 13 def needs ground cause if it goes high, it tri-states the output(note FLOATING not 5v and not gnd) which we dont want, and if pin 10 goes low, it clears the shift registers completely, which we SHOULDNT need to do.

The output pins, pins pin 1-7,15 would then be connected to the LEDs or the FETs(needed to drive the valves), but for now LEDs will do the trick

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Okay... so i started to look into this again as the show seasons over and i'm bored... heres what ive come up with.. and yes i still need to order the parts

on the new IC, the serial to parallel shift register, http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MM/MM74HC595.pdf


connect:

Pin 8 : GND
Pin 16: 5V
Pin 11: 12MHz crystal (Pin 2 on controller)
Pin 14: Pin 3 from NES's shift register(pin 4 on controller)
Pin 12: Pin 9 from NES's shift register(pin 3 on controller)

and i'm pretty sure i'm going to have to ground pin 13 and put 5V at pin 10. I know pin 13 def needs ground cause if it goes high, it tri-states the output(note FLOATING not 5v and not gnd) which we dont want, and if pin 10 goes low, it clears the shift registers completely, which we SHOULDNT need to do.

The output pins, pins pin 1-7,15 would then be connected to the LEDs or the FETs(needed to drive the valves), but for now LEDs will do the trick
.... right over my head. lol I have no clue what you're talkin' about, but I'm sure that you know exactly what's up. If you get this all figured out, you should type out a How-To that way other confused individuals, like myself, are able to replicate the final product.

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to be honest,i may be in contact with a company to sell the design lol

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SO when someone gets this done up I would like to see a vid like Doug posted of his Guitar Hero box. Also because I want to do this also (I have 2 left over controllers from my old NES at home).

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i get paid fri so i'll order the parts i need then... hopefully work slows down after i get hte parts so i can wire it up on a small vector board and use scopes to test everything

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Woo hoo, i understood some of that! Im in digital courses right now.

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I think I might be doing this with my Guitar hero, working on the Serial level of the controller. Mr. Plastic, I may be in touch

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ok i might have missed the solution but i didnt feel like readin BUT
you could try used the original buttons by gettin really low power relays and using those relays to activate the larger relays that run your valves
it sounds crazy but im pretty sure it should work that way

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ok i might have missed the solution but i didnt feel like readin BUT
you could try used the original buttons by gettin really low power relays and using those relays to activate the larger relays that run your valves
it sounds crazy but im pretty sure it should work that way
yes that would work and yes it has been discussed... but it forces you to run new wires.. the wya im doing it your using the stock wires

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