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I'd like to but I tig stainless and aluminum at work not mild steel.

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I'd like to but I tig stainless and aluminum at work not mild steel.
i hear ya...i tig all kinds of shit at work...mainly stainless and carbon steel...sa/a 105 wcb and 316/316lss along with cf8m cast stainless

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i hear ya...i tig all kinds of shit at work...mainly stainless and carbon steel...sa/a 105 wcb and 316/316lss along with cf8m cast stainless
Do you have problems with your eyes at work when you tig? The puddle plays with my eyes sometimes. Like my vision gets spotty. Only at higher amps. Only on long straits.
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Do you have problems with your eyes at work when you tig? The puddle plays with my eyes sometimes. Like my vision gets spotty. Only at higher amps. Only on long straits.
nah, but i have been having issues with pure tungsten...it doesnt like to behave when starting an arc

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nah, but i have been having issues with pure tungsten...it doesnt like to behave when starting an arc
How are you sharpening your tungsten? What do you use?
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dedicated bench grinder, i hold the electrode vertical and spin on a hard wheel then i use the other wheel which is super hard to do a final dress, only sometimes do i do the final. it balls nicely for a/c but for stainless steel and carbon steel it sometimes has trouble starting the arc, so i gotta touch start kinda...weird right?

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build the 2X3 1/4" thick frame for my stockfloored '86 with a Miller 135.

lets just say that i'd easily die in the wreck before the frame would bend

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dedicated bench grinder, i hold the electrode vertical and spin on a hard wheel then i use the other wheel which is super hard to do a final dress, only sometimes do i do the final. it balls nicely for a/c but for stainless steel and carbon steel it sometimes has trouble starting the arc, so i gotta touch start kinda...weird right?
If you sharpen your tungsten horizontally the electrons will shoot out the sides of the tungsten and create an erratic arc. If that makes sense. If there are horizontall "grooves" in the tungsten the electrons will shoot away from the work. If your grooves are vertically, the electrons will be directed and attracted to the tip of your tungsten. Grooves from sharpening that is. If that makes sense. Hard to explain on a keyboard
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yep, only vertical

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I Have A Miller 175 At My Shop

A Lincoln 135 At Home

My Brother Has The Lincoln 175 At The Farm

Now My 135 Was Second Hand So It Might Be Why I Think This

But In My Opinion

The 135 Does Not Weld Over 1/4 Really Good Could Be That Its Old

The Lincoln 175 Rocks On All Heavy But I Cant Seem To Dial It In For Sheet Metal

The Damn Miller 175 That Everyone Tells Me They Hate Will Weld Everything I Use It For

Im Not A Welder We Have Certified Welders Next Door To Us

After Seeing Them Weld And Gusset Things I Have No Idea How At Least Thee Of My Trucks Did Not Break In Half Or Maybe They Just Dont Need To Be That Strong They Do Heavy Equipment Over There

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I Have A Miller 175 At My Shop

A Lincoln 135 At Home

My Brother Has The Lincoln 175 At The Farm

Now My 135 Was Second Hand So It Might Be Why I Think This

But In My Opinion

The 135 Does Not Weld Over 1/4 Really Good Could Be That Its Old

The Lincoln 175 Rocks On All Heavy But I Cant Seem To Dial It In For Sheet Metal

The Damn Miller 175 That Everyone Tells Me They Hate Will Weld Everything I Use It For

Im Not A Welder We Have Certified Welders Next Door To Us

After Seeing Them Weld And Gusset Things I Have No Idea How At Least Thee Of My Trucks Did Not Break In Half Or Maybe They Just Dont Need To Be That Strong They Do Heavy Equipment Over There

or it could be because its pushing 40 less amps and does have the power to get good penetration on the thicker stuff. the absolute thickest id weld with the 135 is 3/16, and thats pushing it. if you have the option use the 175 for ANYTHING structural. itll get you more heat, more penetration therefore a safer weld.

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my dad was really good with a stick welder but with the mig we got he cant even do simple body work. its a pain cuz i get to bond-o it and when i get almost finished it brakes off. i ot to start checking them with a hammer.
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if your hobart died becuase you passed the duty cycle too many times, that's your own fault man

mine sure does weld 1/4" in a single pass and it's only a 125 amp machine, and naturally, I obey the duty cycle and don't run the piss out of it with thicker stuff

if you'll use it like it's intended and not crank the amps as high as possible and try to build a full frame in a day you'll be fine and you won't kill the welder
i almost completed a full frame in a day with my hobart 187..idk even know what the DC is haha. it never shut off tho and i worked the shit out of it that weekend,i love my hobart lol. but i do need a new gun is anyone knows where i can get one.

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MIG WELDERS

Lincoln SP 180T - $640.00
Range: 30-180 amps
Power: 208-230 V
Material: 24g - 3/16 in
http://www.weldingmart.com/Qstore/p003799.htm

Hobart IronMan 210 $1099.99

Range: 30-210 amps
Power: 208-230 V
Material: 22g - 3/8 in
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=43550

Miller Millermatic 180 230 $805.00
Range: 30-180 amps
Power: 230 V
Material: 24g-5/16 in
http://www.weldingmart.com/Qstore/p003461.htm

Miller Millermatic 212 Industrial $1,511.00
Range: 30-210 amps
Power: 230 V
Material: 22g-3/8 in
http://www.weldingmart.com/Qstore/p001731.htm


Lincoln WeldPak
$439.00

Range: 25-135a
Power: 115v
Material: up to 5/16 in
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...ity=Kannapolis


These are the best MIG welders that I have found so far. It seems to give the best options and best range for the money and project possibilities. I am understanding a lot more about welding from the links I have been given by Eric (Wildside).
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whats everyone suggest for a tig?
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I am going to buy a mig welder in 2 weeks! I am wondering if the welder at home depot for $360 is the one I need to shave handles and fill in the tailgate? I want to spend $400 total. I am looking for suggestions on which welder to get.
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as long as said welder can be switched over to solid core wire and not flux then it should be fine. i dont suggest trying to shave anything using flux core.

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would this be two much to work on my truck sheet metal and frame?http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/2GPK2

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those DVI millers are badass.

it will work great for what ya wanna do man.

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One cheap badazz mother here. I use it for pleasure and my part time business. Many many years so far of great welds.



Only addition was installing a cooling fan for unlimited weld time.
Only thing different then the pricier one, it has a fan built in.
Save $100+ there.

Have done it all from ubar thin to thick and it makes strong welds.
The 3 headlight wagon in the background there, the left front shock is only held on with welds from said machine. Nothing else holds it on.

Boxing supension parts on my 3rd gen fbody, is what I was doing in that pic.

Also try it yourself but HF flux core wire is the cheapest and best, barium free and multi pass wire. [no stoping between passes to get a good weld.] Tried the pricy brands, didn't work as well and just cost more. I get it on a 10lb spool.

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One cheap badazz mother here. I use it for pleasure and my part time business. Many many years so far of great welds.

Only addition was installing a cooling fan for unlimited weld time.
Only thing different then the pricier one, it has a fan built in.
Save $100+ there.
Have done it all from ubar thin to thick and it makes strong welds.
The 3 headlight wagon in the background there, the left front shock is only held on with welds from said machine. Nothing else holds it on.
Boxing supension parts on my 3rd gen fbody, is what I was doing in that pic.
Also try it yourself but HF flux core wire is the cheapest and best, barium free and multi pass wire. [no stoping between passes to get a good weld.] Tried the pricy brands, didn't work as well and just cost more. I get it on a 10lb spool.

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dedicated bench grinder, i hold the electrode vertical and spin on a hard wheel then i use the other wheel which is super hard to do a final dress, only sometimes do i do the final. it balls nicely for a/c but for stainless steel and carbon steel it sometimes has trouble starting the arc, so i gotta touch start kinda...weird right?
yea i had the same issues with pure tungsten on a syncrowave 180sd. I dont like pure tungsten for steel. 2% thoriated is the way to go with dc welding. Pure tungsten tends to burn up fast under DC than 2% thoriated anyway. Im not sure exactly why it does it, But i defintiely have to scratch start with pure tungsten.
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One cheap badazz mother here. I use it for pleasure and my part time business. Many many years so far of great welds.

Only addition was installing a cooling fan for unlimited weld time.
Only thing different then the pricier one, it has a fan built in.
Save $100+ there.
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The 3 headlight wagon in the background there, the left front shock is only held on with welds from said machine. Nothing else holds it on.
Boxing supension parts on my 3rd gen fbody, is what I was doing in that pic.
Also try it yourself but HF flux core wire is the cheapest and best, barium free and multi pass wire. [no stoping between passes to get a good weld.] Tried the pricy brands, didn't work as well and just cost more. I get it on a 10lb spool.

any welder that has a switch for its heat setting.. i'll pass lol
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anybody know anthing about Century welders. i found a big one for 700 the other day

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they are cheap machines. im sure they work but parts are not going to be stocked everywhere, so IF you have an issue.. It might become more of a headache than its worth. Personally for $700 if you look around you can find a millermatic for that much. you can find a good 200 or larger machine for $500 easy. I sold a millermatic 250 about a year ago for like 800 or 900. And have since seen them from $450 and up.
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any body think a miller vintage is worth 1000? it looks well used.

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nah. When i bought my millermatic 250, it was either the vintage or the 250, both were used, The vintage was bout $650-700, and the 250 was like 850-900 i think i paid. Both were being sold by a welding supply dealer, and not a private party, so it wasnt like i had just found a guy who didnt know what he had... Its a good machine, dont get me wrong. I dont like how it has a rotary switch instead of a pot for your voltage selector tho, which is why i went with the 250.
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if you want to find an EXCELLENT EXCELLENT mig welder for your money... Look for a Linde L-tec 225. I have one im keeping my eye on a few miles from me that im probably going to pick up over the next week or two for about $300..

I used one of these extensively over the past 3 years at my last job. The machine looks like shit.. Looks like a pile of crap.. But some of the most beautiful looking welds i have ever produced came from that machine. We had millers for days.. millermatic 250,300,and 350p machines.. All were great, But to be 100% honest, when there was a choice of machines for me to use for the day.. i always used the linde whenever i could. lol me and my boss used to fight over the thing.. he claimed it as "his machine" one time, and i was like "the **** it is" and walked over and took it LOL.. they are made by ESAB, Its an older machine, But they are well built, and In my opinion are nicer than alot of the newer millers within the past 5-10 years.. Ive seen them for between 500-700 around here, I found one for about 300 so i am definitely going to pick it up as a spare machine. Or maybe to even replace my systematics.

Our supplier had been trying for years to convince us the machine was dying and on its last legs, and that we should just buy a new miller machine. before it died.. but it kept on going. Always worked amazing.

heres a link to one i found on google just to give you an idea:

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wow it looks like a fossil. ill take a look around but im not dumping any money into that. thanks

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just found a 250 for 650 but where do you buy parts for this thing?

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any good welding supplier should be able to get you the consumables and what not. I go thru airgas. i have a 30+yr old systematics machine and i dont have any trouble getting stuff for it. as far as like drive rollers and what not, if you wanted to go with a smaller wire size, such as .023 or whatever, You might be assed out. but your basic consumables shouldnt be an issue to get.
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For a mig, i run an HTP 160DV at the shop in the 220v configuration. it's a pricey welder but i like the fact that if something needs to be welded on a race car out at the track, a simple plug change and a swap of wiring inside and you are set up to run off a 110v outlet.

I personally don't own a Tig yet but My brother's Machine Shop runs an HTP invertig 201 AC/DC i believe and the times i have used it, i love it!

never used alot of Miller products over the years but have used a variety of Lincoln products and found them to be very easy to adapt to and simple to adjust the settings.

Have been using the 160DV mig for about 2 years now and have never had an issue with it. have done some small amounts of sheet metal work on up to 1/4" thick frame work with no complaints.
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That has to be the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. That still doesn't mean it is going to hold under abuse or that I would weld it with 220 at 100amps either. Not to mention your killing your welder to do it. I build shit to last and take the abuse. I've welded 10,000lb tie downs for dropping trucks from planes. I've never had a bumper D ring pull out from four wheeling but I have seen enough peoples 110 volt crap break and nearly kill people to know that 110v welders are NOT MADE FOR BUILDING ANYTHING STRUCTURAL and if you don't believe me, go ask on a welding forum. Prove me wrong.

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There is no difference welding 100amps with 115v or 220v a 100amps is still 100amps
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Anyone hear anything about this one? Im thinking of buying it for my first welder. Right now I have access to 220v but a year from now who knows so I need/want the versatility

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i've seen them before while looking around on miller and lincolin's websites...i think the flexibility of this system is awesome. just be aware that you cannot make use of the full 180A of welding current unless it is connected to 220.

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I have been happy with my Hobart Hand 140 110v mig
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Hey all, I have always wanted to learn how to weld.... my birthday is coming up and I have some extra money to spend.
My goals if I ever learned how to are : welding body panels, ladder racks, some axle perches... you know where that's going!

On craigslist I found a welder in my area it is a Hobart 120 with a tanks of gas and that gas in the tank is worth like over a $100 bucks right?
The seller doesn't seem to bad, I have watched you tube videos and know how to clean and how to stay safe... yep the most important part..
It seems Hobart is a good welder as a learned on here.

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http://greenbay.craigslist.org/tls/4276107594.html

Is this a good welder for person to learn on?
Is it a good price?
Is there a better welder or any advice?

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http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...140-mig-welder
Here's is the welder I use. That's is a OLD welder Iwoulkd rather see you invest in newer technology for the inverters and other electronics. It will do anything you can do now and will grow with you. I would start with a small tank to start, my Tsc allowed me to up grade my tank as needed. Plus they guy does not know his pressures. A full tank is between 2000 and 2500 the gauge only reads 4000 psi max not 10,000. Plus some welding shops will allow you to leasethge thanks till you can afford them. I do this occasionally for bigger jobs. And I think t is way over priced for what's the age of the welder is.

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Hey Brain, thanks for the response, I am going to watch craigslist for a newer welder instead and I see a hobart 140 with the small tank already.... I will be watching for a good deal!

I see your going SFA... always liked the look of your rig BTW!

Thanks for the advise!
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All the welding on mine has been done with the 140 and thank you I'm also doing a 6.0 swap as well

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I would not trust a 110 on a frame.
I mean they are rated for 3/16ths but why use it at its full capacity on some thing critical.
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I also have a 220 but with CO2 mine is rated at 5/16 plate and has plenty of pentration I use the 110 for bumpers the little stuff like to tacking then burn it with the 220

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I still have not found a welder yet - not been looking very hard either lol
I was at an estate sale and they had a welder
2004-2006 Miller 225 thunderbolt xl
Well I have to ask you guys what you think about this kind of welder?
Would this one be good for me to start out with, he said I can have it for $275 with the helmet and gloves, it is in nice shape cosmetically and has wheels to roll around on.
Here a link: http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...p?model=M16100

The nice thing about this one is that it is that I don't need a tank, but I don't know if it will cause splatter to which I would have wanted a tank instead.
Thanks for the help, I am so new at this it is embarrassing!
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Well I have been doing some reading and research, now I understand the differences between, flux wire,mig,stick and tig. Now I get why brain damaged suggested the Hobart 140, for some reason I did not ever relize it was flux wire and could be used without gas!
The fact it is portable and can be used anywhere sounds really nice as well.

I have few leads on some almost brand new ones, maybe I will even take a class or two soon, or I will just learn myself with the help of you tube!
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