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How an Air Amplifier Works

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Major Features
1, Air Inlet Port
2,Air Drive Tube
3, Drive Piston
4,Upper Tappet Valve
5, Pilot Air Tube
6, Spool Valve
7, Lower Tappet Valve
8, Pilot Vent
9, Outlet Muffler
10,Inlet Check Valve
11, Outlet Check Valve

Drive Air Flow
High Pressure Air
Exhaust Flow

I am so going to have to make one of these lol,
There is like nothing to them .


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man just like open ur own company or something.. u got some crazy ideas running around ur head!

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yup... big surprise here... i'm confused...

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yeah i totaly dont understand that at all.
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Re: How an Air Amplifier Works

so, explain how this works in conjunction with a compressor.

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better yet where can we buy these cheap?

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Where can i get one of these

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ok, i have been looking at the links i found behind them pics......WOW!!! crazy stuff. one of them can make a compressor that does 150psi, and make it into 300psi. another can make 100 in to like 1000psi!! these things are the shit! but....the price can not be found and the rigth one to use must be decided. the one thing is. the air must be in a way, perfect. due to the seals and lub inside. dirty air must be clean and dry air must be lubed. so im thinking a viar 450 might be the shit on this bad boy! i wonder what the york would do? i mean you dont need a masive compessor. just need something that can run. now we need to enginer a 8 port tank that will take 2000psi...why? i dont know. maybe just safe to that area and stay around 500psi for us gravity impaired people

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ok, i have been looking at the links i found behind them pics......WOW!!! crazy stuff. one of them can make a compressor that does 150psi, and make it into 300psi. another can make 100 in to like 1000psi!! these things are the shit! but....the price can not be found and the rigth one to use must be decided. the one thing is. the air must be in a way, perfect. due to the seals and lub inside. dirty air must be clean and dry air must be lubed. so im thinking a viar 450 might be the shit on this bad boy! i wonder what the york would do? i mean you dont need a masive compessor. just need something that can run. now we need to enginer a 8 port tank that will take 2000psi...why? i dont know. maybe just safe to that area and stay around 500psi for us gravity impaired people
just use a nitrogen tank and regulate it
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Please start over im confused...huh...where does it go...post pics of setup and all info sounds infomation.
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just use a nitrogen tank and regulate it
I agree, I think we are over-engineering this a bit. Kinda works like a supercharger for air.

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I agree, I think we are over-engineering this a bit. Kinda works like a supercharger for air.
i disagree. If we could find an easy way to pump massive air without having to fill a bottle when it empties (nitrogen) or change oil weekly (EDC), I am all for it. However, I dont know anything about these amplifiers and the maintenance/cost of them
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Re: How an Air Amplifier Works

Yeah...let me know how this works a little more in detail. Can you mod any compressor with this amplifier?

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i disagree. If we could find an easy way to pump massive air without having to fill a bottle when it empties (nitrogen) or change oil weekly (EDC), I am all for it. However, I dont know anything about these amplifiers and the maintenance/cost of them
k so hook ur comp up to that air pressure booster use a adjustable pressure switch set 175-200 psi when the air pressure booster hits 175-200 psi at the tank it will kill ur comp thus shuting down the air booster but as far as being safe i whould also run a kill switch and some kinda quick disconect for the ground on the comp just in case cause those things can put out thousnds of pounds of psi and last i heard an exploding tank isnt good for your health or ur truck
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Re: How an Air Amplifier Works

It looks based on the picture that you could indeed get very high psi. Although wouldn't it drop the CFM down quite a bit?

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i found one on ebay going for 425 the actual brand name ones run up in the 1000-3000 doller range
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Re: How an Air Amplifier Works

think of these like a floor jack in your garage you can lift a car with your bare hand but it takes ALOT of pumps with letle force to get HIGH pressure to lift the truck.

same thing with a amplifier.

A viair 450 will take almost 29 min to fill a 12 gal to 2,000PSI because this unit uses high volume low pressure and makes it low volume high pressure.

make sense?

about boosting pressure and maintaining speed,

That is part of my 'boost air' system and will be relesed soon.

any more questions on amplifiers post up happy to help.

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It looks based on the picture that you could indeed get very high psi. Although wouldn't it drop the CFM down quite a bit?
bingo almost 1/13th the speed

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What kind of input/output ratio are we talking about?

I was thinking for example. Using a woofer to run the air amp. A speaker can pump amazing amounts of air, but at low pressure.
I have tried attaching reed valves to a very small sealed box. I never attached a gauge to it, but there was a whole lot of volume. I guessed 25 to 30 cfm out of a good 15in.
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bingo almost 1/13th the speed
ahh yes. but putting this kinda pressur into a good store tank, regulate down to a good play pressure.... you can have your nitrogen play and speed. and never have to worrie about being stuck of out for the night.

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I still would like to know how you achieve this. Is it something where you have to take a compressor apart and modify?

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I still would like to know how you achieve this. Is it something where you have to take a compressor apart and modify?
You arn't the only one!
It looks like it would go between the compressor and the tank.

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so you are saying, i could take a my viair 480c, my nitrogen type bottle, and one of these, my viair is 100% duty. So i would only have to run it like 29 minutes and have a nitrogen bottle full of air with the same pressure as if it were filled with nitrogen?

i can usually go a good two weeks on bottle if i dont play with it too much. i wouldnt mind if my compressor turned on the whole time i was driving around one day and not come on again for a week. sounds good to me!!!

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ok the exact number is

20:1 compression ratio

so it takes 20 viair 450's to = 1CFM at 3,000PSI

so that breaks down to this,

(2) viair 450's fill a 220 cu ft. bottle at 100PSI to 3,000PSI
will take,
2.5 days non stop running. lol

I viair 480 or 450 are not 100% duty.

only if you run them at 100PSI and under and if only you find a way to keep them at 70F and under.

BUT,
A shop compressor that is 14CFM at 100PSI can fill the same nitro tank
in 4.31 hours

so there you go your own home fill station
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i'd really like to get one of these amplifiers for my garage's compressor. it could be set up so i wouldn't run the amplifier off my viair in the truck, but i could still use the home compressor to fill a tank to like 2000 psi while she's just parked in the garage, then regulate it. i'd just keep the 450c in the truck in case i ever actually ran out of pressure.

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ok the exact number is

20:1 compression ratio

so it takes 20 viair 450's to = 1CFM at 3,000PSI

so that breaks down to this,

(2) viair 450's fill a 220 cu ft. bottle at 100PSI to 3,000PSI
will take,
2.5 days non stop running. lol

I viair 480 or 450 are not 100% duty.

only if you run them at 100PSI and under and if only you find a way to keep them at 70F and under.

BUT,
A shop compressor that is 14CFM at 100PSI can fill the same nitro tank
in 4.31 hours

so there you go your own home fill station
lol


Like I said I have the parts I am going to build one soon.
humm, they are not as fast as i thought for a on board set up. but a great idea to fill nitrogen tanks at home. kick the compressor and amp on. let it fill a nitrogen tank, shut the valve to the tank and put the tank in thr trunk

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Well I tried, but its hard to outbid businesses. The person that won this item looks like he buys Vacuum pumps and other high pressure amps.

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im sure the cops and whoever else would find many fines if they found a home air amplificaton system in ur garage. with that high pressure im sure you would have to have a handling isence or something lol. damn good idea tho. i could hook it up at my uncles shop and hope nobody notices for a while lol.

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im sure the cops and whoever else would find many fines if they found a home air amplificaton system in ur garage. with that high pressure im sure you would have to have a handling isence or something lol. damn good idea tho. i could hook it up at my uncles shop and hope nobody notices for a while lol.
What the hell are you talking about? Cops? Pffftt. They wouldn't even know what a air amplifier is. Plus you don't need a license either. Anybody can have a 2500psi nitrogen cylinder laying around.


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What the hell are you talking about? Cops? Pffftt. They wouldn't even know what a air amplifier is. Plus you don't need a license either. Anybody can have a 2500psi nitrogen cylinder laying around.

well he is right,

To compress any air over 600PSI you need to be certified.

handling already compressed air is on thing making it is anouther.

even the 'means' of how you compress it has to be inspected lol

it is a saftly matter realy.

If needs be I may go that route .. if it does not cost to much ha ha

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Re: How an Air Amplifier Works

I just want a way to turn my 200psi york/oasis combo in to 400psi


please desine me a system to do so I will bulid one



also the air that is exausted from the amplifer. could it not beused to run a second amplifer? it will still be 200 psi when it comes out.

or you could plum it in to your air2 system to speed up the oginginal compressor

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I just want a way to turn my 200psi york/oasis combo in to 400psi


please desine me a system to do so I will bulid one



also the air that is exausted from the amplifer. could it not beused to run a second amplifer? it will still be 200 psi when it comes out.

or you could plum it in to your air2 system to speed up the oginginal compressor

or both
ha ha ha.


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ya i got introuble by some BS inspection agence for haveing air tools and engine block in my garage when we were building a 383 for my bros blazer. out riding four wheelers and someone called the cops and they almost had a hey day with fines and shit. but sense i had the comp drained of air that day to let the water out the bottom i said i was just storing it lol. it was a industrial comp from work tho lol

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ya i got introuble by some BS inspection agence for haveing air tools and engine block in my garage when we were building a 383 for my bros blazer. out riding four wheelers and someone called the cops and they almost had a hey day with fines and shit. but sense i had the comp drained of air that day to let the water out the bottom i said i was just storing it lol. it was a industrial comp from work tho lol

Damn that sounds shaddy. I would hate cops like that man.

nothing you did was wrong.

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with out machening a bunch of your own parts this is my idea





I know its not to scale

but the only thing I cant really figure out in my head is how to keep the micro switch active while it fully dumps.




also the intake for the small cyl is ment to be at 200psi to.

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ya i got introuble by some BS inspection agence for haveing air tools and engine block in my garage when we were building a 383 for my bros blazer. out riding four wheelers and someone called the cops and they almost had a hey day with fines and shit. but sense i had the comp drained of air that day to let the water out the bottom i said i was just storing it lol. it was a industrial comp from work tho lol
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doug you never stop working for us do you.

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with out machening a bunch of your own parts this is my idea





I know its not to scale

but the only thing I cant really figure out in my head is how to keep the micro switch active while it fully dumps.




also the intake for the small cyl is ment to be at 200psi to.

What mine will work like,



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Yeah I have never heard of anything like that. I have a fullsize oxy-acetylene setup, air compressor, a couple engine blocks, argon tank, and a nitrogen tank all sittin in my workshop. And I know many other people that have similar setups as me with no problems. Maybe it is just Kansas.


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we have these at the fire dept for filling our scba the thing is like 6 feet tall but it fills to 2216psi with no problem at all we fill 10 bottles at a wack but when we fill our huge tanks on our cascade to 3600psi for 3 tanks it takes about 20 min but that is a shit load of air enough to run bags for a month if u dont play to much

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I will have an amplifier on my twin engined truck to make 400-450 PSI air. I will probably end up buying a brand new smaller model. That big one could eat 87 SCFM of 150 PSI air

Hadn't considered building my own but the designs above are pretty reasonable its just a pressure ratio system.

Once I get everything functional and have shown the truck at a major show, I'll post.up.
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I will have an amplifier on my twin engined truck to make 400-450 PSI air. I will probably end up buying a brand new smaller model. That big one could eat 87 SCFM of 150 PSI air

Hadn't considered building my own but the designs above are pretty reasonable its just a pressure ratio system.

Once I get everything functional and have shown the truck at a major show, I'll post.up.

What I have now not much but I have them connected together.



It is a 8" primary and a 4" secondary. so it is a doubler. 150PSI in 300PSI out.

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It is a 8" primary and a 4" secondary. so it is a doubler. 150PSI in 300PSI out.

if you are talking 8" diameter and 4" diameter

((8/2)**2)* 3.14 / ((4/2)**2)*3.14 = 4:1

Its a quadroupler


but based on the pics I think you are already talking surface area though
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if you are talking 8" diameter and 4" diameter

((8/2)**2)* 3.14 / ((4/2)**2)*3.14 = 4:1

Its a quadroupler


but based on the pics I think you are already talking surface area though

ha ha you are correct I forgot the simple math lol,

Primary is 8" diameter piston and can produce 10,000lbs at 200PSi about the secondary is 4" diameter.

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Just keeping you honest-------- Engineers never take any calculation for granted!

Damn it ---------------- now you got me thinking I should just build one.

Nice score on that 8" cylinder.
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we have one at work its either a two maybe a three stage amplifier but it also runs up to 6000psi.thats the external one for servicing the system. we have an onboard one about the size of two footballs does the same thing but it cost $200,000 gotta love lockheed martin
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