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Top 5 Reasons Against Doing a V-8 Swap

As many are aware many threads about 2.2L performance are turning into threads of ignorance and argument about why a V-8 swap should be done. This is the 2.2L section and this is where threads of this nature are to be posted. There is a separate V-8 discussion section of the forum if you feel you need to post about swapping in a V-8. This section of the forum can be found here https://www.s10forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10



I have come up with 5 reasons against doing a V-8 swap


  • Not everyone has the same performance goals. Some people are happy with a stock 2.2L, others want a little more out of their vehicle and enjoy modding what they have, while others want to go all out and swap in a V-8. I can see everyone’s side to this and I respect everyone opinions. If you do not agree with what someone else wants to do, take it to a PM or bite your tongue and refrain from posting.



  • When swapping to a V-8 it is sometimes hard to keep stock features. For example when swapping to a V-8 problems can arise with keeping the stock gauge cluster, HVAC system, and other misc. items. Not everyone wants to lose these features.

  • Most people can not experience extended down time with their truck, as it is their daily driver. A V-8 swap takes a lot of time and is not something that can be done in a weekend.

  • Not everyone has the knowledge, skill, tools and garage to pull off a V-8 swap. I have noticed that the majority of the people that are so opinionated about a V-8 swap have yet to do the swap themselves. Why is this case if it is so simple and cost effective?

  • Hidden costs of a V-8 swap. Swapping in a V-8 is a lot more than acquiring a motor, trans and fitting them into the truck. You must also deal with engine cooling, engine management, HVAC, custom drive shafts, rear end, and body control among other things. Ask someone that has done a V-8 swap and I guarantee that it cost them more swap it in than the expected before going into the project.


When someone comes into the 2.2L section and is pushing their opinion about a V-8 swap from now on, I would suggest referring them to this thread through a PM.



Let’s make modding fun by show other members respect by posting in the appropriate section of the forum or keeping your negative views to your self.

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If I wanted a v8 I'd be in the v8 section.

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very well said!! I totally agree... I personally wouldn't mind just modding my 2.2 to whatever I can, I already have a v8 in my car and Im happy with it.... As for the truck and its 2.2 gas is too much for me to waste on a v8, the 2.2 is fun to drive, and why have crazy power when all that'll happen is I'd be getting tickets, cause I know I'd want to race everyone or pull of some fancy burnout and who knows what else

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well said , I may add to list though, I'm sure some of us are happy with 2.2 and each mod actually help 2.2 to perform better and last longer than stock parts, and ability to improve gas mileage and better running 2.2, better performance(than stock)

we have yet to see 2.2 to be fully modded, and high 13s with turbo/nitrous was best time for 2.2. I would bet with all parts for 2.2 n/a-wise, it easily break 16s, I wouldn't be surprise if it break 15s, then add on forced induction/nitrous, then be able to see 2.2 at its ability, h3ll not just engine has to do with it alone, but suspension, tires, gearingg has a lot to do with it as well. weight is a factor as well, so there are few fberglass panels availablle for the s10, as well as fiberglass/carbon fiber hood.

Until then, won't kno 2.2's full capability, 13s is currently the fastest, but not fully modded, which is good because then its capable of goin even lower times, also dependinn on sea level/humidty/temperature at track as well.

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well said , I may add to list though, I'm sure some of us are happy with 2.2 and each mod actually help 2.2 to perform better and last longer than stock parts, and ability to improve gas mileage and better running 2.2, better performance(than stock)

we have yet to see 2.2 to be fully modded, and high 13s with turbo/nitrous was best time for 2.2. I would bet with all parts for 2.2 n/a-wise, it easily break 16s, I wouldn't be surprise if it break 15s, then add on forced induction/nitrous, then be able to see 2.2 at its ability, h3ll not just engine has to do with it alone, but suspension, tires, gearingg has a lot to do with it as well. weight is a factor as well, so there are few fberglass panels availablle for the s10, as well as fiberglass/carbon fiber hood.

Until then, won't kno 2.2's full capability, 13s is currently the fastest, but not fully modded, which is good because then its capable of goin even lower times, also dependinn on sea level/humidty/temperature at track as well.
wow 13's thats not too bad, considering the weight factor and all.

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Could not agree more Well Done ZQ8

If i had a dollar for every just stick a V8 in it comment.......

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Wasn't there a guy back in the day that broke into the 13s? By the name of lonewolf I think?
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The reason I'll never do a V8 swap (or swap any engine into an S10 for that matter)...

I can buy a car that already has a V8 for less than it would cost to swap one into an S10.

You might be a ricer if...
- You've ever bought anything that goes under your hood that is available in more than one color
- Your can fit one of your pistons in your exhaust tip
- You've spent more on gauges than engine parts
- You've ever used the argument, "yeah, but my engine makes more hp per liter!"
- One word: neon.
- You quote the Fast and the Furious, but aren't making fun of it
- You brag about beating other ricers

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s10blazaa, I kno who u talkn about, he never shown his slip or at least I have yet to seen it

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Wasn't there a guy back in the day that broke into the 13s? By the name of lonewolf I think?
Yeah I remember reading stuff about lonewolf a few years ago, untill his truck was stolen and burned.

Then there was Superfriggencow that claimed to have similar times.


The two that I know that are credible are

Addler with the 2.2L turboed Sunfire and GoofyGuy which I am sure we all know about.
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yes, and adler last I remember ran 12s, and wasn't even done and that's without nitrous as well

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I agree with you even though i have a 4.3L...i seriously want to swap for a 5.3... but i dont own a shop.. i dont have the money, and i dont want to have to deal w/ custom drive shafts, cooling systems, guages, and all the clearenses with everything. Good show.

ALSO! there was an article in a chevysporttruck magazine this month that had 30 products to get more power out of a s-series 2.2

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Re: Top 5 Reasons Against Doing a V-8 Swap

It also depends on who you know, also. If you can't strike a deal for nothing (at the 'yards, eBay, or that guy down the road), can't borrow tools nor have the space to do it, throwing money into a project like that to begin with is stupid (or just has money to burn). If you got the know how, got the connections, a spare motor in the garage and/or transmission or whatever, most, if not all the proper tools, I say go for it. Otherwise, you'll be jumping into a sinking ship.

My reason for not doing a V8 swap: it's a daily driver that gets 24MPG on 87 octane. 'nuff said.
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Re: Top 5 Reasons Against Doing a V-8 Swap

Doing a V-8 swap in a first gen is alot easier than doing a swap in a 2nd gen.

Try keeping the digital odometer in a 98+, speedo, ect. it is going to make the job alot harder. With advancements in OBD2 technology it had made engine swaps pretty difficult for your average person with just general automotive knowledge.

All 2.2L's are 2nd gen so you can't really compare it to a first gen swap other than the fact that you are puting a V-8 into a truck.


I also found another reason not to do a V-8 swap and that is State Inspections.
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If I wanted a v8 I would buy something with one. I like my 2.2, it pulls a nice load and gets me around good.

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the 2.2 will never die!

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Re: Top 5 Reasons Against Doing a V-8 Swap

well, this IS s10forum. You can never win in here. There is always going to be someone that'll go against something no matter what. My V8 is the best mod I've done to my truck. I love it, I get loads of looks and props which is all I ever wanted. I didn't chime in here to start a discussion over what transmission gives better mileage to make the swap worthwile to someone on a budget. If you're doing the V8 with fuel economy in mind, its not going to happen.
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I see first gens w/ 350's all the time here. They are nice, just not really my thing. I would think a turbocharged 2.2 would get more attention than a first gen w/ a 350.


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I see first gens w/ 350's all the time here. They are nice, just not really my thing. I would think a turbocharged 2.2 would get more attention than a first gen w/ a 350.
i agree, its the 1st thing everyone expects when they hear your truck rumbles, what make them more awe, is they'll never expect a blown or turbod 2.2 with or without juice and will give more props knowing its faster than stock but not necessary fastest thing ever, breakin into 13s/14s would impress them more especially we know how slow 2.2 are after all, and breakin 13s/14s is badarse to see from 2.2

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I agree 101% And Im a V-6 guy, good post

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i do not agree.... its 2005... 2.2 has been in the s10 since 94.... since 94 what s10 with the 2.2 runs 13s?? ya I bet thats just cause everyone is closed minded and wants a v8 lol

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personally i think this thread is starting to fall off topic. No one said a v-8 swap is a bad mod and that it souldnt be done. the original point of this thread was to address the issue every 2.2 guy is sick and tired...the "put a v-8 in it" comment.

It seems like every time someone starts a thread about modding a 2.2, someone comes along and makes some remark about how much better a v8 is, and thats not what most people want to hear.

it isnt like the 2.2 guys are unaware that a v8 swap is an option to increase performance. we are aware of it and choose not to do it. its also about as original as putting a fart can on a civic.

nothing against v-8s, but please stop recommending them to every guy trying to get an extra 10hp out of his 2.2.

true! you said it man.....Im supercharged runnning 8 lbs of boost...and I rather have my 2.2 than a V8....look...I wanna show that you can do things to the 2.2's and see something.......eveyone does a V8 swap.....but Im making mine different....

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I Traded my 89 with a healthy 350 for a 94 with a 2.2 so I guess I agree.
Some v8 swaps turn out very nice but mine got out of hand.
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I have since moved on from the S-10 scene and went to a lighter platform. I have a cavalier with the 2.2 and am still in search for speed out of it.

My reason for the switch, I needed a more efficient vehicle for daily transportation, something a little more simpe to work on with little downtime, and something that I can still have fun with. I have installed nitrous (even though with the long term cost, it's more than you would pay for a self-built turbo setup) and have since run a best of 14.9 @ 93.6mph on a 75 shot.

I love the 2.2, it is the most siplest motor to work on even though it has it's drawbacks. Just remember, "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?"

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A very wise man once told me, "Its more fun to ride a slow motorcycle fast than to ride a fast motorcycle slow." Same applies here. Can have a lot of fun learning to drive the 2.2L to its best. Sure most any idiot with a V8 can beat you at a dragstrip but he's still driving a fast truck slowly and nowhere near its abilities.

Same applies to the Hachi-Roku following in Japan. Sometimes less is more.
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Good post, ZQ-8 dawg. A nice bit of brain-food to chew on.

Like 1fast4by said, I'm a 4.3 guy, but I have respect for anything combusts internally and looks good doing it. If a 2.2 is where it's at for you (and by "you" I mean everybody/anybody), then Rock Out....More power to ya.

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How are you guys only getting 24? My truck burns 2qt of oil at least every 10k miles, and I'm getting 24 with the following mods (driving city and highway, basically doing 70+, mostly 80ish on the interstate daily for at least. I don't drive it easy.) :

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There's also the huge load on my stock alt of my amp, I'm running an XM2002GTR with no cap on the stock alt (no problems yet, 10k miles into it. I swear by Optima batteries now)

I haven't done an actual 0-60 yet, but by my rough counting on the highway I can get it up to 60 in less than 14. The funniest thing is when a Mustang or something pulls up next to me and revs it, I just hold up 4 fingers and watch them go "WHAT???"; The thing sounds pretty damn sweet. Before I did the mods (and before it was wrecked twice), I was getting 30 highway/26 city, and that was with 110,000 miles on it. Has 169,000 now.

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well i have a 2.2l and im happy with it, just i want a good deep muffler on it to sound like a v-8 lol
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i bought my 2000 2.2 xtreme to save gas, and so that i wouldnt have to drive my car with a 350 every day, which has only got me a few speeding tickets and street racing tickets along with buyin set after set of new tires for it....so ima stick with the 2.2
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Yeah I remember reading stuff about lonewolf a few years ago, untill his truck was stolen and burned.

Then there was Superfriggencow that claimed to have similar times.


The two that I know that are credible are

Addler with the 2.2L turboed Sunfire and GoofyGuy which I am sure we all know about.
phil wass up man, i still pop my head in here to see whats up too. lonewolf was when this site first opened. everything he had is a mystery and probably didnt exist. a lot of bs runs aorund here as you well know.
superfriggincow was supposedly goofyguys neighbor. they both work for the highway patrol. goofy guy bought the first turbo s10 he had from superfriggincow after super gave up on trying to put a t56 in replacement of the nv1500.
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yeah, yeah. I don't think it will ever stop. lol.
I got a 2.2. Its slow (of course). But I like it.
Do I want a V8? Nope.
Do I want a turbo? yep.
Do I care what others think about spending my money on my truck? Nope.
Was this post pointless? Probably.

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Lt1 6 speeds can be had out of salvage yards and off of fleabay for around $2200 if you look hard enough.
I got rid of my sonoma because it would not pull my toyhauler to the desert.
But yeah the 2.2 got 27 avg mpg with my winding the snot out of it so it felt like it would get out of its own way. It has 180k on it and my Mom still drives it everyday.
Went with a diesel 3/4 ton for the toyhauling duties and a Miata for daily driver.
1.8ltr 5 speed
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and a bunch of suspension mods.

Let the V-8's have the stop light to stop light. get me on a nice twisty road, I'll show you what performance is!
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v8 swaps can be fun but at the same time can be a pain in the ass and i agree keeping stock features is very hard to do but it can be done,I did like s_man said,i bought one with the swap already properly done s10 blazer 1987 done really nice for only 1500 and i love it,now if i were to do that swap myself including motor id prob of spent about 2000 or more and alot of headaches.I just like the sound of a v8 nothing sounds as nice as a v8.i was inspired when i saw a 350sbc in a blazer go down the quarter mile track at 8.3 secs without nos,i was amazed and i only owned a blazer with a 2.8 at the time but i quickly made my mind up then.But honestly my 2.8 was less work and less money and i didnt have to really do ANYTHING to it at all,just check fluids and do routine oil changes 128,000 miles and it still runs great other than a rear main seal leak,but im selling that truck now for about 500 this post really have no relevance but i just figured id express my feelings for a v8
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Minitruckin.com has this article on their website right now,I am skeptical about some of the mods like TB spacers etc... but it may help some of you with 2.2's looking for more power from what you got ....like myself .
Chevrolet S-10 2.2-Liter Four-Cylinder Mini Truck - Four-Banger Performance

A Little Help for That Sluggish 2.2L
By Calin Head




One of the most asked questions we get here is, "How do I get more power from my four-cylinder S-10?" We decided to compile a list of power parts for the anemic four-bangers instead of telling you to swap in a small-block, which is our most common response. Most of these parts can be installed with some simple handtools and a little common sense. All of these parts will in one way or another give more performance by either creating more ponies or helping you get it to the ground faster. Maybe you shouldn't look at a four-cylinder as a bad thing but as a blessing in disguise. With gas prices sky-rocketing right now, these small motors just take less go-go juice to run, even when you install some of these power mods. The money you save at the pump could be used to buy new wheels or help get you closer to that body drop. Look, we know you might not be able to blow by your buddy on the track, but you can honk and wave as you pass him at the pump.



Airaid's PowerAid
The 2.2L PowerAid 1-inch Throttle Body Spacer features PowerAid's unique, patented helix-bore design, which creates a spinning action of the incoming air charge as it passes through the throttle-body spacer. This air charge contributes to better atomization of the air/fuel mixture at the combustion chamber. The end result is more part-throttle torque, improved midrange power, and overall combustion efficiency for more mpg. The new PowerAid is an easy bolt-on installation and comes complete with all mounting hardware and easy-to-follow instructions. For more information, contact: Airaid, (800) 498-6951, www.airaid.com.



ACCEL Wires
For improved performance, check out ACCEL's 300+ Thundersport Ferro-Spiral Wire Sets. Each high-gloss 8mm double-silicone wire is rated at more than 550 degrees F and features a precision-molded spark plug boot to fit the S-10. With a heavy-gauge spiral-wound alloy conductor, resistance is only 150 ohms per foot, providing maximum voltage potential at the spark plug. They are available in blue, red, or yellow wire colors. For more information, contact: ACCEL, (216) 688-8300, www.accel-ignition.com.



ACCEL DIS Coil
The DIS Coil features a "raised dome" construction and silicone magnetic steel core, along with optimized windings and resistance to produce higher energy spark for a more efficient fuel burn. It is compatible with OE computer-controlled ignition systems as well as aftermarket capacitive discharge systems. For more information, contact: ACCEL, (216) 688-8300, www.accel-ignition.com.



Centerforce Clutches
Centerforce has developed multiple clutch systems for the four-cylinder S-10. Depending on the vehicle model year, Centerforce offers three styles of clutches. Centerforce I is designed for a mild upgrade over stock. Centerforce II is intended for mildly upgraded trucks for towing and more spirited driving. Dual Friction clutch sets are geared for heavier towing, most off-road four-wheeling, and weekend racing with extreme power upgrades. For more information, contact: Centerforce, (928) 771-8422, www.centerforce.com.



Bosch Replacement Fuel Pump
Robert Bosch Corporation has launched a comprehensive premium fuel pump program that uses advanced turbine technology to feed your four-cylinder. They conform to OE dimensions and appearance, ensuring safe, easy installations. For more information, contact: Bosch, (888) 715-3616, www.boschusa.com.



DynoMax Mufflers
DynoMax offers a variety of exclusive muffler designs engineered to provide exceptional flow and appealing sound on a full range of popular performance applications. The brand's leading muffler designs are the DynoMax Ultra Flo muffler, featuring straight-through single-tube routing and continuous-roving fiberglass, and the DynoMax Super Turbo muffler, which contains patented flow directors to channel exhaust flow for enhanced power. For more information, contact: DynoMax Performance Exhaust, (734) 243-8000, www.dynomax.com.



B&M's Sport Shifter
B&M Racing & Performance's popular line of Precision Sport Shifters are now available for the Chevrolet S-10 pickup, providing street and off-road enthusiasts with pinpoint-accurate shifts. CAD-designed for ultra-precise shifts, B&M's S-10 Precision Sport Shifters substantially shorten the shifter throw by 36 percent. The shifters are bolt-in replacements that require only simple handtools for quick installation. For more information, contact: B&M, (818) 882-6422, www.bmracing.com.



Fidanza Flywheel
Aluminum flywheels for the '94-'03 2.2L ChevroletS-10 are made from machined 6061 T6 aluminum and feature a 1050 steel friction surface with CNC-machined fastener holes and chamfers. The flywheels can be paired with just about any clutch disc material available, from organic to Kevlar and even sintered iron. For more information, contact: Fidanza Engineering Corporation, (440) 259-5656, www.fidanza.com.



Hays Clutch
The Hays line of clutch kits is specifically designed for severe usage; every unit is built to withstand extreme conditions and overuse. These kits are made in the USA and feature all-new parts - no used parts here. The clutches can significantly extend the service life when used in off-roading, towing, and performance trucks. For more information, contact: Hays, (216) 688-8300, www.haysclutches.com.



Professional Products Filter
This Professional Products Hi-Tech Fuel Filter measures 3 inches long, 2 inches in diameter and flows as much as 160 gallons per hour, filters down to 10 microns, and handles as much as 60 psi. The lightweight-aluminum Hi-Tech Fuel Filter has a replaceable filter element and resists corrosion inside and out. The filter is available in either fully polished or with a blue-and-red anodized housing. For more information, contact: Professional Products, (323) 779-2020, www.pro fessional-products.com.



K&N FIPK
With the addition of K&N's FIPK, horsepower, torque, and acceleration are improved with no decrease in fuel economy on the Chevy S-10. All K&N FIPK systems are 50-state-legal and are compatible with OE computer and emissions controls. Also, K&N's Million Mile Limited Warranty backs the system's filter. For more information, contact: K&N Engineering, (800) 213-4182, www.knfilters.com.



PaceSetter Headers
PaceSetter Performance Products announces the availability of 50-state-legal headers for the '94-'00 S-10 with the 2.2L four-cylinder engine. Designed to provide an increase in low- and mid-range torque, these headers feature mandrel-bent, 1-1/2-inch-diameter primaries. and a precision-formed collector. The primaries are sequenced into the collector for better cylinder scavenging and maximum power. The header also comes with a mandrel-bent extension to mate directly to the stock or stock replacement catalytic converter. For more information, contact: PaceSetter Performance Products, (602) 266-1964, www.pacesetterexhaust.com.



Royal Purple
Royal Purple makes synthetic products for every area of your Dime, including engine oils, transmission fluids, gear oil, coolant additives, fuel system cleaner, power steering fluid, grease, and penetrating lubricant. Synthetic fluids provide improved performance through a reduction in power-robbing friction. For more information, contact: Royal Purple, (888) 382-6300, www.royalpurple.com.



True Flow Foam Air Filter
True Flow Foam Air Filters combine airflow capability and high-filtration efficiency in a drop-in filter for your Dime. True Flow foam full-depth filters come with a lifetime warranty and are easy to wash and reuse. Follow the simple cleaning instructions included in your filter box at the suggested cleaning intervals and enjoy great filtration and airflow for the life of your vehicle. For more information, contact: True Flow, (866) 999-9098, www.trueflow.com.



NitrousWorks Power Wing
The PowerWing nozzle kit from NitrousWorks, a Barry Grant company, delivers instant power to the Chevy S-10. With just a click of a button, 25 to 100 added horsepower is available at wide-open throttle. This nitrous kit is a complete, turn-key "wet system" that includes: a PowerWing nozzle; calibrated jets in increments of 25, 50, 75, and 100 hp; solenoids; stainless-steel line and fitting; filter; hardware; instructions; 14-foot/4AN stainless-steel bottle feed line; and a 10-pound-capacity bottle. For more information, contact: NitrousWorks, (706) 864-8544, www.barrygrant.com.






STS Performance Package
STS Performance now has Power Packages for '94-'04 2.2L four-cylinder S-series trucks. The packages feature either triple-chrome-plated or powdercoated silver intake, K&N filter, new underdrive crank pulley, underdrive alternator pulley, and serpentine belt by Goodyear. For more information, contact: STS Performance, (562) 531-6328, www. sportruckspecialties.com.



SplitFire Spark Plugs
SplitFire offers a comprehensive line of spark plugs for all S-series truck applications. The design allows a larger and quicker flame kernel to develop that is not blocked by ground electrode; this helps improve the combustion of the air/fuel mixture. For more information, contact: SplitFire, (800) 224-7584, www.split fire.com.



NOS PowerFogger
Nitrous Oxide Systems announces its new PowerFogger Universal "Wet" Nitrous Systems for four- and six-cylinder engines. This wet system provides 35 to 75 adjustable horsepower using the NOS Soft-Plume fogger nozzle for superior nitrous and fuel distribution. The nozzle plumbs directly into your air intake and comes with a micro-switch that reads wide-open throttle. This system comes complete with a 10-pound blue bottle, brackets, solenoids, Soft Plume fogger nozzle, braided hose, micro-switch, and everything needed for a clean and simple installation. For more information, contact: Nitrous Oxide Systems, (714) 546-0592, www.nosnitrous.com.






Performance Distributors' Ignition
The Performance Distributors' kit consists of two Screamin' Demon Coil Packs and a set of Live Wire spark plug wires. This kit is for all four-cylinder S-series models from '94-'03. The Screamin' Demon Coil Packs allow you to open up your plug gaps to 0.065 inch, burning your fuel more completely. The coils are epoxy-filled, leading to improved heat transfer and vibration resistance. The Live Wire plug wires are approximately 0.50 inch in diameter and can withstand temperatures as high as 1,400 degrees F. Built with a very low resistance, Live Wires deliver every ounce of high-voltage spark that the Screamin' Demon Coils produce and are available in red, blue, black, purple, and yellow. For more information, contact: Performance Distributors, (901) 396-5782, www.performancedistributors.com.



Hooker Muffler
Hooker Headers announces its all-new line of Tuned Flow Performance Mufflers with straight and slash-cut tips. With the new Hooker Tuned Flow mufflers, sound and flow can be adjusted as much as 40 percent without disassembly. These units are designed to be weld-on or clamp-on at the end of tailpipes or header collectors. A universal U-channel mounting bracket makes for an easy installation on most applications. They come with a 2.5-inch inlet with either a 4-inch-diameter straight or slash-cut, show-quality chrome finish. For more information, contact: Holley, (270) 781-974, www.holley.com.



Professional Products Fuel Pump
Get the fuel from the tank to the engine more efficiently with the new PowerFlow Electronic Fuel Pump from Professional Products. The PowerFlow Electronic Fuel Pump is a simple two-wire connection and is equipped with a stamped-steel housing, sturdy mounting tabs, and inlet and outlet fittings suitable for 5/16-inch fuel lines. For more information, contact: Professional Products, (323) 779-2020, www.professional-products.com.

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s_man, there is performance and tons of thread relating to 2.2L performance, some of these are useless on 2.2L, such as

Airraid, throttle body space, does nothing but whistle sound

Bosch replacement fuel pump, NOT AS GOOD as this https://www.s10forum.com/forum/f105/i...lation-303943/

pacesetter header, Kamikaze header are 10000x better than that

splitfire plugs, ONLY Delcos or NGK plugs for the 2.2L for long lasting and maintain engine to run right than to cause problem such as Bosch platinums

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s_man, there is performance and tons of thread relating to 2.2L performance, some of these are useless on 2.2L, such as

Airraid, throttle body space, does nothing but whistle sound

Bosch replacement fuel pump, NOT AS GOOD as this https://www.s10forum.com/forum/f105/i...lation-303943/

pacesetter header, Kamikaze header are 10000x better than that

splitfire plugs, ONLY Delcos or NGK plugs for the 2.2L for long lasting and maintain engine to run right than to cause problem such as Bosch platinums
I wont disagree,I made reference to my doubts on some products namely tb spacers ,and yes there are many other brands of products that are engineered better and could produce better performance results.I was just posting examples ,not preaching gospel.

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Bad ass, thanks, I just recently bought my truck, and turns out theres some problems, and it will cost me about $1800 to fix the engine (2.2), I was just gonna swap in a V6, but this thread helped me to decide to just fix it up, and ride.

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my 2.2 has been through more sh** and abuse in 67k miles than most sbcs will see in their entire life. that little gutless wonder in the pic to the left here has towed a 40' trailer full of hay, a car trailer with a 80 dodge 3/4ton, hauled a ford 390/c6 combo around town for about 3 weeks of daily, and has been in more ditches than driveways. I bought the thing 5 weeks ago and it still runs like a top. the engines been replaced, mind you, but the rest of the truck has seen more than its fair share for a 120hp 4banger that isnt really designed to haul anything more than maybe a kiddie quad. now all you v8 guys can start hauling b-trains around and see how long you last LMAO.

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13's are the fastest....lets see if we can improve on that..stay tuned
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all i have to say is i have the best of both worlds. while i agree with the list, i was fortunate enough to swap in a fully built tpi into my s10 blazer and keep all the factory things like a/c. it is all perfomance with smog laws in mind. with that being said, v8 swaps are touchy and have to be done just right. i have about $16,000 into a ride that wont sell for more then $10,000,.the gas milage is better then a 4.3 as well. its great seeing the look on the other guys face that you just pulled away from. as for my 2.2, i dont mind cruising my lil gutless wonder everywhere! its loud and good for a stare when i tuck them wheels and shower sparks.
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I also own a 2.2L. would like more power. but happy with how its getting things done.
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I Was A V8 Guy For A Long Time.i Bought My 98 S10 2.2 2yrs Ago.plain Jane W/ac.wife Drove It For About 6 Months Untill I Bought Her A New Envoy.well I Put It In The Garage And Got On The Internet To See What I Could Do To It Of Course,my Buds Wanted Me To Do A V8 Swap,i Said No Way.i Wanted To Do Something Diff.so I Put A 2/3 Drop,replica 17/8 Wheels On Contitrac Tires.flomaster Exhaust W/gibson Stainless Slanted Tips,pace.header,aem Intake,msd Wires And Ing.coils,e-fan,t.b.,ngk Iridiam Plugs,centerforce Dualfriction Clutch.b&m Short Throw Shifter,installed A Eaton True Posi.unit,autometer Gauges On Tripod.but I Wanted More,so I Put A Turbo In It With Hptuners O.m.g.what A Diff.i Absolutely Love It.
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I like V8 swaps but it is a lot of $$$, time, and work. Other than for sheer power a V8 doesn't really make sense, unless it's an LS motor, which I beleive is lighter than a V6, and probably not much heavier than a 2.2L.

Also you all missed a HUGE part of it. EMISSIONS/INSPECTIONS
I live in Cali so I have to swap in something that is a '98 or newer motor into my '98 Chevy blazer, so a cheap junker iron-block 350 is illegal.
For some of us it's a huge headache to try and stay emissions/inspections-compliant. Good thing I only have visual emissions inspections.

Any motor 98+ will probably be ALOT of $$$$.

I think the opposite side of this argument is educating people properly on the true potential of motors power-wise. Making a reliable 13 second 2.2L will take a lot more work than a reliable 13 second V8 swap will. As long we don't let people start telling people trying to learn about engines that a 2.2L is going to win serious drag races against an equally modded v6 or v8, or any car that is considered fast.

As mentioned before the point isn't about the 2.2L vs V8 argument, it's about not bothering people about something that clearly doesn't fit what they want.


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I don't know how everyone is only getting low to mid 20mpg. i'm getting right at 30 mpg from my 2.2 with only a K&N filter and Mobil 1 5w30. If i just cruise i can get 500miles out of 16 gallons of fuel.
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Why bother going to all the headache and money to get an old-tech motor in there when your gutless wonder, 4 cylinders of fiery power can do this!
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its all about enjoying the truck

people can be so stupid
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I'm part of the 2.2L crowd but I'm confused I could have sworn that getting the 2.2L was all about having something American made to whoop on the rice burners in they're own weight class......... am I wrong????

I would never expect to see Ali throwing down the challenge to Sugar Ray Leonard???? Especially if they are fighting out of the same camp just different weight classes!
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