true duals

Frick Frack · 04-16-2006, 09:49 AM

Im thinking about getting true dual exhaust on my S10. I would like to get borla exhaust and magnaflow hi flow catalytic converters. Would putting true duals give me better performance and sound? I want to get true duals if i would do modifications down the road like headers which im thinking about doing next year and get some more money. Would getting true duals put on an S10 be to difficult with the oxygen sensors and would it still run good?
Also are the magnaflow hi flow cats street legal? i live in PA
Thanks

Frick Frack · 04-16-2006, 03:05 PM

Edit: Or would i just be better off getting a cat back system and a Magnaflow high flow cat. After searching the forums it doesnt look like true duals work out to good on S10's.
And does anyone know if the hi flow cats are street legal? it doesnt say they arent so id assume there are legal just want to make sure though, also should i invest in a new Y pipe?

Thanks for the help

S10'er · 04-17-2006, 12:55 AM

Yeah hi-flow cats are legal, and no true duals dont work very well on a v6.

drmisherre · 04-17-2006, 11:44 PM

i have true duals on my truck with turbo mufflers(just ordered some flowmasters tonight) and i think it sounds pretty good. i have a sound clip if you want to hear it

MINTSICK · 04-18-2006, 12:58 PM

Who says high-flow cats are illegal?

1fast4by · 04-18-2006, 01:13 PM

It'll perform just as well as a properly setup single exhaust, just costs you more.

And..who the hell needs a cat anyways???!!?

Fairdale2004 · 09-10-2006, 09:29 PM

I'm afraid to pull the cat and have to stare at a check engine light because of 02 sensors.

S10'er · 09-10-2006, 10:24 PM

Get an o2 simulator

wotgtp · 09-11-2006, 12:12 AM

i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp. a "high flow" or gutted cat. should be one of the last things you think about doing as a mod. unless its clogged. spend the money a custom y-pipe or cat-back exhaust. in my opinion, i don`t know why people say to remove or gut the cat as one of the first mods. later on down the road, yes. have you seen the stock muffler on our trucks, yeah that should be taken care of first. again this is my opinion and i don`t mean to offend anyone. to each to his own.

sockjock · 09-11-2006, 12:24 PM

I completely removed my cat and didn't gain any performance from it. So I would keep the cat you have now unless it's clogged. I would however recommend a good custom y-pipe and cat back single exhaust. True duals are difficult and costly to setup because of the limited space and gas tank location plus your ride won't perform any better than it would with a good single exhaust setup. Everyone has their own preferences but I chose the cheaper route and installed a 2.5" Dynomax catback system from summit for $110 and I'm quite pleased. Now I just need a custom y-pipe. PS the factory cats are high flow and work just fine, wish I would have kept mine.

blk_blazer · 09-11-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by wotgtp

i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp.

i disagree. where did you come up with that number from? gutting your cat gives you better flow and gives the exhaust a different tone. shit my truck doesnt make 1/2 of that and i noticed a difference. even the guys on performancetrucks.net with fullsize (less than 500+ hp) trucks usually have theirs gutted or go high flow.

seafarer12 · 09-11-2006, 09:29 PM

I would just get a highflow cat and a single 2.5 exhaust. A highflow cat wont hurt your exhaust flow any.

Derrick71 · 09-12-2006, 12:31 PM

I HAVE TRUE DUALS

jba headers the pipes are ran right up to the tranx xmember then in to the magna flow cat then to the 40 flows. I ditched my stock tank a long time ago. and to run my pipes it was 100 bux out the door

sockjock · 09-12-2006, 12:52 PM

I'm not convinced that gutting your cat is giong to give you any real performance boost. That would have to be proven with some dyno runs with the cat and w/o the cat and some runs at the track to see if there was any real difference. Most people who gut their cats or replace them with a straight pipe do so when they install a catback exhaust system. So is the performance gain from the gutted cat or from the betterflowing catback system. I did the catback first and noticed a performance gain then pulled the cat and substituted a straight pipe and felt no gain but I did hear a difference in the exhaust tone. Made mine sound a little more ricer in my opinion. Wish I would have kept the cat. To each there own.
It would be interesting to see some real dyno data numbers with and without the cat and with and without the catback system. Everyone has their own opinions but hard numbers...that's what I'm talking about. So whose got the cash and the time to do our experiment and give us some real answers?

Quote: Originally Posted by blk_blazer

i disagree. where did you come up with that number from? gutting your cat gives you better flow and gives the exhaust a different tone. shit my truck doesnt make 1/2 of that and i noticed a difference. even the guys on performancetrucks.net with fullsize (less than 500+ hp) trucks usually have theirs gutted or go high flow.

wotgtp · 09-12-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sockjock

I'm not convinced that gutting your cat is giong to give you any real performance boost. That would have to be proven with some dyno runs with the cat and w/o the cat and some runs at the track to see if there was any real difference. Most people who gut their cats or replace them with a straight pipe do so when they install a catback exhaust system. So is the performance gain from the gutted cat or from the betterflowing catback system. I did the catback first and noticed a performance gain then pulled the cat and substituted a straight pipe and felt no gain but I did hear a difference in the exhaust tone. Made mine sound a little more ricer in my opinion. Wish I would have kept the cat. To each there own.
It would be interesting to see some real dyno data numbers with and without the cat and with and without the catback system. Everyone has their own opinions but hard numbers...that's what I'm talking about. So whose got the cash and the time to do our experiment and give us some real answers?

I heard from one of my buddies that some mag did a before and after dyno run of a stock civic with removing the cat. He said it made not even 2 hp of a difference. hell that hp increase could have been from the air temp changing

. granted this is a stock civic and is obviously different from a s10 or anything else. oh and i said "i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp" because i pulled that number out of my ass.

a reasonable number would be 300 or more then you may get a slight gain. unless someone can prove otherwise

xxosiris9xx · 09-12-2006, 04:59 PM

most of the cats on newer vehicles are already a better flowing style

1fast4by · 09-12-2006, 08:15 PM

Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle

Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies

MINTSICK · 09-12-2006, 09:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by

Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle

Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies

LOL I tend to agree completely, but unfortunately some of us (including me now in the State of Massachusetts) need to retain a cat in order to pass safety/emission inspection

. I was able to pass without a cat currently in Mass, but I know I will not be able to find an exhaust shop to build me a manifold-back exhaust system without putting a cat on there.

guhman2002 · 09-13-2006, 01:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by

Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle

Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies

I like your style.. I ran 3" from my y-pipe back (NO CAT .. CATS ARE BULLSHIT) and into a flowmaster (i know flowmaster = trash but its what I had) and i ran a 14.8 with that exhaust and a little timing being my ONLY mod

bluedragonx · 09-13-2006, 02:07 AM

I wouldn't know, I'm not putting cats on my truck once the V8 is running. Of course, there's no other emissions equipment on it, either.

Dan Plante · 09-13-2006, 04:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK

LOL I tend to agree completely, but unfortunately some of us (including me now in the State of Massachusetts) need to retain a cat in order to pass safety/emission inspection . I was able to pass without a cat currently in Mass, but I know I will not be able to find an exhaust shop to build me a manifold-back exhaust system without putting a cat on there.

You are wrong. Because Brad would probably do your exhaust without a cat you just wouldn't be able to say who did it if you got pulled over the cop checked to see if you had a cat on there. He doesn't care as long as he gets paid. I am pretty sure he would do whatever you want him to do.

MINTSICK · 09-13-2006, 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Plante

You are wrong. Because Brad would probably do your exhaust without a cat you just wouldn't be able to say who did it if you got pulled over the cop checked to see if you had a cat on there. He doesn't care as long as he gets paid. I am pretty sure he would do whatever you want him to do.

Well well well, very interesting information.

Crew Cab Sonoma · 09-14-2006, 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by

Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle

Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies

tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never...

sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had.
but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today.
and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common...

now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power,
and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory.
oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day....

plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created....

sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view....

Dan Plante · 09-14-2006, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK

Well well well, very interesting information.

Yeah Mike just give him a call and ask him if he will do it. I am sure he will.

MINTSICK · 09-14-2006, 01:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Plante

Yeah Mike just give him a call and ask him if he will do it. I am sure he will.

Don't have the money for exhaust right now plus I need to fix my valve seals before I throw a cat on there, the days of no cat are coming to an end I'm tired of the gas smell associated with running no cat.

Dan Plante · 09-14-2006, 02:07 PM

I hear ya there. Whenever you get the $$ for the exhaust just let me know and I will show you where to drop the truck off.

wotgtp · 09-14-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma

tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never...
sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had.
but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today.
and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common...

now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power,
and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory.
oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day....

plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created....

sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view....

could not have said it better. with emissions, and the advancements cats. have gone under, there not THAT MUCH of a horsepower loss. but unless you run leaded race gas or have alot of power(maybe 300 crank hp or more). then take it off. people with just intakes and gutted cats., come`on now, can you feel the 1hp difference without it?

seafarer12 · 09-15-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma

tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never...
sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had.
but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today.
and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common...

now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power,
and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory.
oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day....

plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created....

sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view....

Finally someone with some reason.

02_Black_XBlazer · 09-15-2006, 09:56 PM

Yeah, I left mine off when I did the header install b/c I butchered up the flange bolts coming from the cat w/ a Sawzall while pulling off the old headers. I wasn't expecting to not be able to re-use the cat, and I was flat broke and s.o.l., so I just welded up a pipe in it's place.

I haven't noticed any difference in performance, and it smells awful at times, especially when one of my O2's went bad last week and the truck began to run very rich. I'll be at the exhaust shop tommorow afternoon, finally getting a new one one.

Just keep the cat on, fellas.

96blazer · 09-15-2006, 10:07 PM

Just keep the cat, like mentioned above.

Just say you took it off so you still sound cool to your out-dated performance friends.

***SweetS10V8*** · 09-16-2006, 11:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma

tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never...
sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had.
but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today.
and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common...

now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power,
and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory.
oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day....

plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created....

sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view....

In fact heres a fun one for you, I dynoed a 500hp engine with and without cats, difference was 4hp. They were dual dynatech high flow cats..

04-16-2006, 09:49 AM	#1
Frick Frack Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 28 Location: Mount Pleasant User is: OffLine	true duals Im thinking about getting true dual exhaust on my S10. I would like to get borla exhaust and magnaflow hi flow catalytic converters. Would putting true duals give me better performance and sound? I want to get true duals if i would do modifications down the road like headers which im thinking about doing next year and get some more money. Would getting true duals put on an S10 be to difficult with the oxygen sensors and would it still run good? Also are the magnaflow hi flow cats street legal? i live in PA Thanks
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04-16-2006, 03:05 PM	#2
Frick Frack Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 28 Location: Mount Pleasant User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Edit: Or would i just be better off getting a cat back system and a Magnaflow high flow cat. After searching the forums it doesnt look like true duals work out to good on S10's. And does anyone know if the hi flow cats are street legal? it doesnt say they arent so id assume there are legal just want to make sure though, also should i invest in a new Y pipe? Thanks for the help
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04-17-2006, 12:55 AM	#3
S10'er Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 322 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Yeah hi-flow cats are legal, and no true duals dont work very well on a v6.
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04-17-2006, 11:44 PM	#4
drmisherre Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 105 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: true duals i have true duals on my truck with turbo mufflers(just ordered some flowmasters tonight) and i think it sounds pretty good. i have a sound clip if you want to hear it
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04-18-2006, 12:58 PM	#5
MINTSICK Gaaoooooo Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,938 Location: Kingston, NH User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Who says high-flow cats are illegal?
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04-18-2006, 01:13 PM	#6
1fast4by ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ! Age: 30 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13,838 Location: Murfreesboro, TN User is: OffLine	Re: true duals It'll perform just as well as a properly setup single exhaust, just costs you more. And..who the hell needs a cat anyways???!!?
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09-10-2006, 09:29 PM	#7
Fairdale2004 Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Fairdale, Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I'm afraid to pull the cat and have to stare at a check engine light because of 02 sensors.
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09-10-2006, 10:24 PM	#8
S10'er Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 322 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Get an o2 simulator
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09-11-2006, 12:12 AM	#9
wotgtp sup brah Age: 27 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,491 Location: Connecticut User is: OffLine	Re: true duals i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp. a "high flow" or gutted cat. should be one of the last things you think about doing as a mod. unless its clogged. spend the money a custom y-pipe or cat-back exhaust. in my opinion, i don`t know why people say to remove or gut the cat as one of the first mods. later on down the road, yes. have you seen the stock muffler on our trucks, yeah that should be taken care of first. again this is my opinion and i don`t mean to offend anyone. to each to his own.
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09-11-2006, 12:24 PM	#10
sockjock Huge Ideas, Tiny Wallet Age: 47 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,362 Location: Denton, NC User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I completely removed my cat and didn't gain any performance from it. So I would keep the cat you have now unless it's clogged. I would however recommend a good custom y-pipe and cat back single exhaust. True duals are difficult and costly to setup because of the limited space and gas tank location plus your ride won't perform any better than it would with a good single exhaust setup. Everyone has their own preferences but I chose the cheaper route and installed a 2.5" Dynomax catback system from summit for $110 and I'm quite pleased. Now I just need a custom y-pipe. PS the factory cats are high flow and work just fine, wish I would have kept mine.
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09-11-2006, 06:19 PM	#11
blk_blazer Blk_blazer00 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 602 Location: Orange Park/Tallahassee FL User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by wotgtp i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp. i disagree. where did you come up with that number from? gutting your cat gives you better flow and gives the exhaust a different tone. shit my truck doesnt make 1/2 of that and i noticed a difference. even the guys on performancetrucks.net with fullsize (less than 500+ hp) trucks usually have theirs gutted or go high flow.
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09-11-2006, 09:29 PM	#12
seafarer12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 681 Location: Waco, TX User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I would just get a highflow cat and a single 2.5 exhaust. A highflow cat wont hurt your exhaust flow any.
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09-12-2006, 12:31 PM	#13
Derrick71 alone i break Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,291 Location: Rockwood User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I HAVE TRUE DUALS jba headers the pipes are ran right up to the tranx xmember then in to the magna flow cat then to the 40 flows. I ditched my stock tank a long time ago. and to run my pipes it was 100 bux out the door
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09-12-2006, 12:52 PM	#14
sockjock Huge Ideas, Tiny Wallet Age: 47 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,362 Location: Denton, NC User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I'm not convinced that gutting your cat is giong to give you any real performance boost. That would have to be proven with some dyno runs with the cat and w/o the cat and some runs at the track to see if there was any real difference. Most people who gut their cats or replace them with a straight pipe do so when they install a catback exhaust system. So is the performance gain from the gutted cat or from the betterflowing catback system. I did the catback first and noticed a performance gain then pulled the cat and substituted a straight pipe and felt no gain but I did hear a difference in the exhaust tone. Made mine sound a little more ricer in my opinion. Wish I would have kept the cat. To each there own. It would be interesting to see some real dyno data numbers with and without the cat and with and without the catback system. Everyone has their own opinions but hard numbers...that's what I'm talking about. So whose got the cash and the time to do our experiment and give us some real answers? Quote: Originally Posted by blk_blazer i disagree. where did you come up with that number from? gutting your cat gives you better flow and gives the exhaust a different tone. shit my truck doesnt make 1/2 of that and i noticed a difference. even the guys on performancetrucks.net with fullsize (less than 500+ hp) trucks usually have theirs gutted or go high flow.
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09-12-2006, 02:44 PM	#15
wotgtp sup brah Age: 27 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,491 Location: Connecticut User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by sockjock I'm not convinced that gutting your cat is giong to give you any real performance boost. That would have to be proven with some dyno runs with the cat and w/o the cat and some runs at the track to see if there was any real difference. Most people who gut their cats or replace them with a straight pipe do so when they install a catback exhaust system. So is the performance gain from the gutted cat or from the betterflowing catback system. I did the catback first and noticed a performance gain then pulled the cat and substituted a straight pipe and felt no gain but I did hear a difference in the exhaust tone. Made mine sound a little more ricer in my opinion. Wish I would have kept the cat. To each there own. It would be interesting to see some real dyno data numbers with and without the cat and with and without the catback system. Everyone has their own opinions but hard numbers...that's what I'm talking about. So whose got the cash and the time to do our experiment and give us some real answers? I heard from one of my buddies that some mag did a before and after dyno run of a stock civic with removing the cat. He said it made not even 2 hp of a difference. hell that hp increase could have been from the air temp changing. granted this is a stock civic and is obviously different from a s10 or anything else. oh and i said "i would keep the cat. unless you have 500+ hp" because i pulled that number out of my ass. a reasonable number would be 300 or more then you may get a slight gain. unless someone can prove otherwise
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09-12-2006, 04:59 PM	#16
xxosiris9xx The Dave Inc. Age: 28 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 11,683 Location: Neptune Beach, FL User is: OffLine	Re: true duals most of the cats on newer vehicles are already a better flowing style
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09-12-2006, 08:15 PM	#17
1fast4by ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ! Age: 30 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 13,838 Location: Murfreesboro, TN User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies
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09-12-2006, 09:06 PM	#18
MINTSICK Gaaoooooo Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,938 Location: Kingston, NH User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies LOL I tend to agree completely, but unfortunately some of us (including me now in the State of Massachusetts) need to retain a cat in order to pass safety/emission inspection . I was able to pass without a cat currently in Mass, but I know I will not be able to find an exhaust shop to build me a manifold-back exhaust system without putting a cat on there.
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09-13-2006, 01:26 AM	#19
guhman2002 Nitto1320 M O D Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,608 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies I like your style.. I ran 3" from my y-pipe back (NO CAT .. CATS ARE BULLSHIT) and into a flowmaster (i know flowmaster = trash but its what I had) and i ran a 14.8 with that exhaust and a little timing being my ONLY mod
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09-13-2006, 02:07 AM	#20
bluedragonx gtfo now Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,610 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I wouldn't know, I'm not putting cats on my truck once the V8 is running. Of course, there's no other emissions equipment on it, either.
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09-13-2006, 04:17 PM	#21
Dan Plante Registered User Age: 36 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,850 Location: Franklin, MA User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK LOL I tend to agree completely, but unfortunately some of us (including me now in the State of Massachusetts) need to retain a cat in order to pass safety/emission inspection . I was able to pass without a cat currently in Mass, but I know I will not be able to find an exhaust shop to build me a manifold-back exhaust system without putting a cat on there. You are wrong. Because Brad would probably do your exhaust without a cat you just wouldn't be able to say who did it if you got pulled over the cop checked to see if you had a cat on there. He doesn't care as long as he gets paid. I am pretty sure he would do whatever you want him to do.
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09-13-2006, 06:20 PM	#22
MINTSICK Gaaoooooo Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,938 Location: Kingston, NH User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Plante You are wrong. Because Brad would probably do your exhaust without a cat you just wouldn't be able to say who did it if you got pulled over the cop checked to see if you had a cat on there. He doesn't care as long as he gets paid. I am pretty sure he would do whatever you want him to do. Well well well, very interesting information.
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09-14-2006, 08:40 AM	#23
Crew Cab Sonoma "factory freak"... Age: 47 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 7,403 Location: Chattanooga, TN User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by 1fast4by Dont run a cat...Never will. Sounds a whole hell of a lot better, and I know it flows better. Hell, there is nothing on my truck but 3" straight pipe from the Y back, and 3" straight through the muffler. And I know I make more than 300rwhp on the bottle Even if it only gave 2-3hp its worth it to me. Damn you tree hugging hippies tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never... sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had. but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today. and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common... now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power, and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory. oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day.... plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created.... sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view....
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09-14-2006, 08:58 AM	#24
Dan Plante Registered User Age: 36 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,850 Location: Franklin, MA User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK Well well well, very interesting information. Yeah Mike just give him a call and ask him if he will do it. I am sure he will.
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09-14-2006, 01:20 PM	#25
MINTSICK Gaaoooooo Age: 31 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 12,938 Location: Kingston, NH User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Plante Yeah Mike just give him a call and ask him if he will do it. I am sure he will. Don't have the money for exhaust right now plus I need to fix my valve seals before I throw a cat on there, the days of no cat are coming to an end I'm tired of the gas smell associated with running no cat.
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09-14-2006, 02:07 PM	#26
Dan Plante Registered User Age: 36 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,850 Location: Franklin, MA User is: OffLine	Re: true duals I hear ya there. Whenever you get the $$ for the exhaust just let me know and I will show you where to drop the truck off.
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09-14-2006, 10:53 PM	#27
wotgtp sup brah Age: 27 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,491 Location: Connecticut User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never... sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had. but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today. and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common... now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power, and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory. oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day.... plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created.... sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view.... could not have said it better. with emissions, and the advancements cats. have gone under, there not THAT MUCH of a horsepower loss. but unless you run leaded race gas or have alot of power(maybe 300 crank hp or more). then take it off. people with just intakes and gutted cats., come`on now, can you feel the 1hp difference without it?
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09-15-2006, 09:03 PM	#28
seafarer12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 681 Location: Waco, TX User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Quote: Originally Posted by Crew Cab Sonoma tree hugger??? .... hardly. hippie? ...never... sure, when i was younger, i ripped the cats off everything i had. but that was back when cats were far more restrictive than they are today. and leaded fuel was cheaper than unleaded, and cat failures were far more common... now, im older and smarter, cats flow far better and cost almost nothing in power, and leaded pump fuel is little more than a distant memory. oh, and dont forget emission inspections.... which are getting more widespread just about by every day.... plus, theres no denying the fact that cats are by far the single most effective automotive emission control device ever created.... sorry to say it, but you "anit-cat" guys really have no rational logic behind your point of view.... Finally someone with some reason.
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09-15-2006, 09:56 PM	#29
02_Black_XBlazer Starting from scratch... Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,349 Location: Over By There, IL User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Yeah, I left mine off when I did the header install b/c I butchered up the flange bolts coming from the cat w/ a Sawzall while pulling off the old headers. I wasn't expecting to not be able to re-use the cat, and I was flat broke and s.o.l., so I just welded up a pipe in it's place. I haven't noticed any difference in performance, and it smells awful at times, especially when one of my O2's went bad last week and the truck began to run very rich. I'll be at the exhaust shop tommorow afternoon, finally getting a new one one. Just keep the cat on, fellas.
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09-15-2006, 10:07 PM	#30
96blazer . Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 31,757 Location: ? User is: OffLine	Re: true duals Just keep the cat, like mentioned above. Just say you took it off so you still sound cool to your out-dated performance friends.
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