O2 Sims nolonger avalable... sorry fellas

[1fast4by]

http://www.fquick.com/blog/Caspers_E...led_by_the_EPA

Ouch, thats gotta suck for a lot of people....So does this mean I can get my money back on the one I bought 5yrs ago

[97_S-10SS]

Sweet. Had to know that was coming down the pike....Just sold mine. figures.

[Anothersutherner]

That does suck. I kinda want to un-glue mine and see how their circuit is made. I see potential for a black market product line!

[low94sdime]

what about all the people that need something like that for a track only car? thats so stupid. there are no "laws" on track only cars so therefore they shouldnt ban the O2 sim

[Anothersutherner]

You hit the nail on the head right there. It is crap for Casper to have to pay out for people who choose to disconnect their emissions controls on the street. It is a wonderful device for track use.

[Anothersutherner]

Does anybody remember what they paid for theirs?

[97_S-10SS]

$45 from Summit, if I recall....

[MINTSICK]

Quote: Originally Posted by low94sdime

what about all the people that need something like that for a track only car? thats so stupid. there are no "laws" on track only cars so therefore they shouldnt ban the O2 sim

In all honesty for a track only car, does it really matter if the check engine light is on or not? That is the only use for these o2 simulators, so that one can pass emissions inspection on a street driven vehicle not a track car.

[Anothersutherner]

Well, when I bought mine, I saw it this way. A new O2 sensor to replace my bad one was $70. The O2 simulator AND a TPS enhancer was $65 (I finally found my receipt). I have all of my emissions equipment in place and working, it was just cheaper to use a simulator and I would never have to replace it again. For the people who insist on running without cats, there are other ways to cheat the PO420 code, and they will find them. Casper's just got screwed on that one to prove a point and scare people away from cheating the system.

[MINTSICK]

I guess it depends on where you are purchasing your sensors from, I got 2 brand new genuine AC Delco sensors on ebay for $50 shipped.

[m007gunit]

what about http://webstore.o2simulator.com/

[low94sdime]

Quote: Originally Posted by MINTSICK

In all honesty for a track only car, does it really matter if the check engine light is on or not? That is the only use for these o2 simulators, so that one can pass emissions inspection on a street driven vehicle not a track car.

no, when u take a cat off and no o2 sensor it does more than throw a code and check engine light. it also causes the vehicle to run different. you need a sim to make the ecu think its still there and able to operate normally. trust me on that one. i used to own several hondas and they were street/track driven and it does make a difference with the o2 sim. flame all you want about i my import habit but it was part of my life lol.

edit... i may live where we dont have emissions control but i neeeded the o2 sim for the fact of the car needing to be able to run correctly. header, no cat, 2.5 ss exhaust and straight thru greddy muffler, you need something to keep the ecu thinking like normal.

[Anothersutherner]

Quote: Originally Posted by low94sdime

flame all you want about i my import habit but it was part of my life lol.

It's OK, we all have some skeletons in the closet!

[low94sdime]

Quote: Originally Posted by Anothersutherner

It's OK, we all have some skeletons in the closet!

aint that the truth lol....its in the past now tho. well atleast for now lol

[Got Juice?]

so where can i get one now?

[The Blown Blazer]

Quote: Originally Posted by 97NAS10SS

Sweet. Had to know that was coming down the pike....Just sold mine. figures.

Works good btw.

[MINTSICK]

Quote: Originally Posted by low94sdime

no, when u take a cat off and no o2 sensor it does more than throw a code and check engine light. it also causes the vehicle to run different. you need a sim to make the ecu think its still there and able to operate normally. trust me on that one. i used to own several hondas and they were street/track driven and it does make a difference with the o2 sim. flame all you want about i my import habit but it was part of my life lol.

edit... i may live where we dont have emissions control but i neeeded the o2 sim for the fact of the car needing to be able to run correctly. header, no cat, 2.5 ss exhaust and straight thru greddy muffler, you need something to keep the ecu thinking like normal.

Nope, the rear o2 sensor does nothing more than report back that the cat is functioning or not functioning, no fueling or spark is affected by the rear o2. You would be an absolute fool to use a sim for one of the 2 main o2's on a fuel injected vehicle, the only reason you wouldn't be using them is if the vehicle was carbed....then you'd have no use for o2 sensors or sims in the first place.

[bladehines]

hell my girls Honda has a Magnaflow exhaust and high flow cat, i just hooked the second O2 up and left it under the hood! lol
so it's just sitting there reading the air under the hood.

check engine light hasn't come on yet.

[97_S-10SS]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Blown Blazer

Works good btw.

Good, glad to hear it worked. Sounds like you got plastic "gold" on your hands now, a rare piece.

[low94sdime]

well like i said when working on a honda acura engine, they are very picky when it comes to the o2 sensor. i tried leaving them unplugged and i tried plugging them in and not having them in the pipe. guess what it threw codes. i know what im talking about with honda/acura. might not know about a truck or domestic car but i do know honda motor company. i have always had hondas and i know them like the back of my hand. i ran with some of alabamas biggest honda builders. were werent your everday rice burners. no fancy bodykits and shit, just plain old engine work.

Also the sim makes the ecu think the cat is still on the vehicle. therefore without a sim, your ecu will be throwing a code and the car will not function right

[MINTSICK]

Quote: Originally Posted by low94sdime

well like i said when working on a honda acura engine, they are very picky when it comes to the o2 sensor. i tried leaving them unplugged and i tried plugging them in and not having them in the pipe. guess what it threw codes. i know what im talking about with honda/acura. might not know about a truck or domestic car but i do know honda motor company. i have always had hondas and i know them like the back of my hand. i ran with some of alabamas biggest honda builders. were werent your everday rice burners. no fancy bodykits and shit, just plain old engine work.

Also the sim makes the ecu think the cat is still on the vehicle. therefore without a sim, your ecu will be throwing a code and the car will not function right

You're still not correct, again the REAR post cat o2 sensor has no input on the tune/running condition of the engine. I doubt honda or acura are using the post cat o2 sensor to assist in the fueling of the engine as well, so ricer or not you still are giving out incorrect information.

[DJDAudio]

http://www.bobblick.com/techref/proj...sim/o2sim.html

[Anothersutherner]

Quote: Originally Posted by 97NAS10SS

Good, glad to hear it worked. Sounds like you got plastic "gold" on your hands now, a rare piece.

I wonder just how valuable they will become? I might have to part with mine.

[MINTSICK]

Quote: Originally Posted by Anothersutherner

I wonder just how valuable they will become? I might have to part with mine.

Well for people that can't use normal tuning software to edit the emissions codes for the rear o2 I suppose it would become somewhat "Valuable", as in maybe the original cost of one.

[xxosiris9xx]

i blame Al Gore

[1fast4by]

Ive got one of each.. Honda and Chevy, fact is ALL OBDIIs are the same...Post cat means squat to the driveability or tune

[stevehh]

Quote: Originally Posted by xxosiris9xx

i blame Al Gore

Im with you on that one!

[low94sdime]

the rear o2 sensor may not affect anything but it does throw a code. otherwise there wouldnt be a second o2 sensor to begin with. but i know from experience that on my old 95 civic with a jdm b16a obd2 that when we had the cat off and the o2 sensors werent reading right, we had an o2 sim on the first one and when it was on the computer diagnostics it was showing failure in the fuel timing mixture. when we added another sim on the second o2 everything was normal again and we were able to finish tuning the air/fuel mixture, timing, etc. there may be no reason for the o2 sim on the rear o2 sensor but it still throws a code which in the long run means something.

now im not out to make enemies. im only going by firsthand experience on a honda engine. maybe it had something to do with it being a jdm engine and ecu i dont know. but i do know there was something up. but also japan has higher emmisions laws than the u.s so maybe something is different with a jdm ecu and engine.

[rob8284]

Quote: Originally Posted by low94sdime

the rear o2 sensor may not affect anything but it does throw a code. otherwise there wouldnt be a second o2 sensor to begin with. but i know from experience that on my old 95 civic with a jdm b16a obd2 that when we had the cat off and the o2 sensors werent reading right, we had an o2 sim on the first one and when it was on the computer diagnostics it was showing failure in the fuel timing mixture. when we added another sim on the second o2 everything was normal again and we were able to finish tuning the air/fuel mixture, timing, etc. there may be no reason for the o2 sim on the rear o2 sensor but it still throws a code which in the long run means something.

now im not out to make enemies. im only going by firsthand experience on a honda engine. maybe it had something to do with it being a jdm engine and ecu i dont know. but i do know there was something up. but also japan has higher emmisions laws than the u.s so maybe something is different with a jdm ecu and engine.

The more you post, the less sense you make.

[MINTSICK]

Quote: Originally Posted by rob8284

The more you post, the less sense you make.

Agreed, it's really VERY VERY simple:

ALL POST Cat Converter o2 sensors are ONLY there to tell the vehicle owner if the cat is functioning properly or not, NOTHING to do with driveability or running condition of the engine.

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