what polish? not wax

greencactus3 · 05-08-2007, 01:01 PM

i wanna polish up some stuff but since theres new paint, i cant wax right? so whats a brand that is actuallly JUST polish?

greencactus3 · 05-08-2007, 07:50 PM

awwww noone?

96blazer · 05-08-2007, 08:00 PM

I thought you can't do neither?

greencactus3 · 05-08-2007, 10:49 PM

oh really? is painttoad here yet?

s10cyncrvr · 05-09-2007, 01:02 PM

Griots came out with a #4 Polish not too long ago. I thought the #3 was gentle. It doesn't take out very many defects, but it eliminates dust scratches on darker colored cars. I imagine it would be safe to use on new finishes. You could always call them to make sure there is nothing in it that would leave a film on the surface.

96blazer · 05-09-2007, 03:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by s10cyncrvr

Griots came out with a #4 Polish not too long ago. I thought the #3 was gentle. It doesn't take out very many defects, but it eliminates dust scratches on darker colored cars. I imagine it would be safe to use on new finishes. You could always call them to make sure there is nothing in it that would leave a film on the surface.

He's taking about the wait period after you just finish painting the car. When the paint is curring(?).

5918MIKE · 05-09-2007, 03:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3

i wanna polish up some stuff but since theres new paint, i cant wax right? so whats a brand that is actuallly JUST polish?

Why polish if it's new paint? Polishing removes swirls, light scratches, oxidation, it's for paint correction. Think of polish as a very fine grit liquid sandpaper.

I like 1Z Einszett Paint Polish and Metallic Polish Wax, the Poorboys SSR line (1, 2, 2.5, 3) Mequiars 82 and 83 are good, and Menzerna IP and FPII to name a few.

greencactus3 · 05-09-2007, 05:46 PM

new paint as in... new ratllecan paint. its rough. looks shiny but nothing like a real paint job.

s10cyncrvr · 05-09-2007, 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 96blazer

He's taking about the wait period after you just finish painting the car. When the paint is curring(?).

Exactly. You usually don't need anything abrasive after the final wetsand and buff at the paintshop. Since there is no wax on the new paint, it tends to get light scratches very easily. The #4 polish would work well at removing those light scratches and since it isn't abrasive, you'll get a nice shine out of it. I think it would work very well until your able to put a coat of wax on it.

rcmaniac · 05-10-2007, 06:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3

new paint as in... new ratllecan paint. its rough. looks shiny but nothing like a real paint job.

If it's rattle canned. I'd wait a day or 2 and then wax it.. That's what I did with my dash.

RKs95BlackSS · 05-11-2007, 11:58 PM

i've got the same question. just got from my doors to the bed painted. one person tells me its fine to wax, another buddy said to use a polish/sealant that is breathable without a shell. ? idk so i just keep it clean until i get a def. answer

twelvam · 05-12-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by RKs95BlackSS

i've got the same question. just got from my doors to the bed painted. one person tells me its fine to wax, another buddy said to use a polish/sealant that is breathable without a shell. ? idk so i just keep it clean until i get a def. answer

nah, if it's real paint, i'd wait atleast 5-6 weeks until you waxed any of your new paint

96blazer · 05-12-2007, 05:41 PM

, but just ask the shop if you are worried. When my Mustang was painted, the shop gave me a little instruction guide for caring for the new paint.

monkeydude3602000 · 05-13-2007, 05:43 PM

3M glaze. Thats what we use at the shop I work at on fresh paint jobs.

RKs95BlackSS · 05-13-2007, 05:51 PM

i used the breatheable glaze my buddy let me use...seemed to work alright. needs to be polished/buffed a little more though for sure.

OhhWatALoser · 05-13-2007, 10:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by monkeydude3602000

3M glaze. Thats what we use at the shop I work at on fresh paint jobs.

i second that

and they came out with this blue crap not too long ago that spossed to be even finer than the glaze. we got a sample pack and a tired it and it works really well, but seems to be for show car only type of thing.

hutchS-10 · 05-14-2007, 12:33 AM

3m all the way.

if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually...
'painttoad come tear this thread up'

96blazer · 05-14-2007, 01:23 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by hutchS-10

3m all the way.

if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually...
'painttoad come tear this thread up'

Who are you refering too?

greencactus3 · 05-14-2007, 07:31 AM

whats the procedure for color sanding?
dry? wet? grit?

OhhWatALoser · 05-14-2007, 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3

whats the procedure for color sanding?
dry? wet? grit?

i've never herd the term "colorsand" but im assuming he just means sanding?

wet sand 1000/1200 scratches, if you got a good amount clear left and a subborn scratch 800 wet is fine. if u want it really flat go over the whole thing with 2000 wet, i find it to be a show car only thing tho, but thats just me. always use a block when you can. after that compund and glaze.

5918MIKE · 05-14-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by hutchS-10

3m all the way.

if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually...
'painttoad come tear this thread up'

I was just asking why he was wanting to polish the new paint, what was the defect he was trying to buff out or polish out, same difference. That cutting compound you use to buff new paint is a polish. If he rattled can it and it came out a little rough then I would suggest a wet sand, polish, and see how it looks, maybe even a second coat then wet sand and polish again. Same with orange peel on a new paint job, wet sand and polish to get it smooth, polish alone will take too long. If he's looking to seal and protect it like a glaze or a wax then i'd wait until the paint has cured properly, usually a few weeks is what i've been told by the body shops.

greencactus3 · 05-14-2007, 11:19 PM

ok. so wetsand 1000 grit is good?
any block work?

OhhWatALoser · 05-15-2007, 01:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3

ok. so wetsand 1000 grit is good?
any block work?

anything thats truly flat, just about anything is better than your hand.

greencactus3 · 05-15-2007, 07:35 PM

2x4s? lol

RKs95BlackSS · 05-15-2007, 08:48 PM

square tube steel?

05-08-2007, 01:01 PM	#1
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	what polish? not wax i wanna polish up some stuff but since theres new paint, i cant wax right? so whats a brand that is actuallly JUST polish?
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05-08-2007, 07:50 PM	#2
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05-08-2007, 08:00 PM	#3
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05-08-2007, 10:49 PM	#4
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax oh really? is painttoad here yet?
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05-09-2007, 01:02 PM	#5
s10cyncrvr Canyon Carver Age: 29 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,853 Location: Columbia, IL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Griots came out with a #4 Polish not too long ago. I thought the #3 was gentle. It doesn't take out very many defects, but it eliminates dust scratches on darker colored cars. I imagine it would be safe to use on new finishes. You could always call them to make sure there is nothing in it that would leave a film on the surface.
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05-09-2007, 03:22 PM	#6
96blazer """"""""""""""""""""""""" Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 28,567 Location: ? User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by s10cyncrvr Griots came out with a #4 Polish not too long ago. I thought the #3 was gentle. It doesn't take out very many defects, but it eliminates dust scratches on darker colored cars. I imagine it would be safe to use on new finishes. You could always call them to make sure there is nothing in it that would leave a film on the surface. He's taking about the wait period after you just finish painting the car. When the paint is curring(?).
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05-09-2007, 03:55 PM	#7
5918MIKE Registered User Age: 38 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 459 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3 i wanna polish up some stuff but since theres new paint, i cant wax right? so whats a brand that is actuallly JUST polish? Why polish if it's new paint? Polishing removes swirls, light scratches, oxidation, it's for paint correction. Think of polish as a very fine grit liquid sandpaper. I like 1Z Einszett Paint Polish and Metallic Polish Wax, the Poorboys SSR line (1, 2, 2.5, 3) Mequiars 82 and 83 are good, and Menzerna IP and FPII to name a few. Last edited by 5918MIKE : 05-09-2007 at 04:00 PM.
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05-09-2007, 05:46 PM	#8
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax new paint as in... new ratllecan paint. its rough. looks shiny but nothing like a real paint job.
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05-09-2007, 10:15 PM	#9
s10cyncrvr Canyon Carver Age: 29 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,853 Location: Columbia, IL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by 96blazer He's taking about the wait period after you just finish painting the car. When the paint is curring(?). Exactly. You usually don't need anything abrasive after the final wetsand and buff at the paintshop. Since there is no wax on the new paint, it tends to get light scratches very easily. The #4 polish would work well at removing those light scratches and since it isn't abrasive, you'll get a nice shine out of it. I think it would work very well until your able to put a coat of wax on it.
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05-10-2007, 06:37 AM	#10
rcmaniac Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,216 Location: Largo, FL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3 new paint as in... new ratllecan paint. its rough. looks shiny but nothing like a real paint job. If it's rattle canned. I'd wait a day or 2 and then wax it.. That's what I did with my dash.
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05-11-2007, 11:58 PM	#11
RKs95BlackSS Getting Layed Age: 24 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,455 Location: Sandwich, IL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax i've got the same question. just got from my doors to the bed painted. one person tells me its fine to wax, another buddy said to use a polish/sealant that is breathable without a shell. ? idk so i just keep it clean until i get a def. answer
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05-12-2007, 05:04 PM	#12
twelvam under construction Age: 20 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,902 Location: amarillo texas User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by RKs95BlackSS i've got the same question. just got from my doors to the bed painted. one person tells me its fine to wax, another buddy said to use a polish/sealant that is breathable without a shell. ? idk so i just keep it clean until i get a def. answer nah, if it's real paint, i'd wait atleast 5-6 weeks until you waxed any of your new paint
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05-12-2007, 05:41 PM	#13
96blazer """"""""""""""""""""""""" Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 28,567 Location: ? User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax , but just ask the shop if you are worried. When my Mustang was painted, the shop gave me a little instruction guide for caring for the new paint.
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05-13-2007, 05:43 PM	#14
monkeydude3602000 I just ate a honda. Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,276 Location: Princeton, Ky User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax 3M glaze. Thats what we use at the shop I work at on fresh paint jobs.
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05-13-2007, 05:51 PM	#15
RKs95BlackSS Getting Layed Age: 24 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,455 Location: Sandwich, IL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax i used the breatheable glaze my buddy let me use...seemed to work alright. needs to be polished/buffed a little more though for sure.
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05-13-2007, 10:18 PM	#16
OhhWatALoser Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 300 Location: Detroit Area, Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by monkeydude3602000 3M glaze. Thats what we use at the shop I work at on fresh paint jobs. i second that and they came out with this blue crap not too long ago that spossed to be even finer than the glaze. we got a sample pack and a tired it and it works really well, but seems to be for show car only type of thing.
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05-14-2007, 12:33 AM	#17
hutchS-10 blahh Age: 19 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,379 Location: hickory nc User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax 3m all the way. if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually... 'painttoad come tear this thread up'
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05-14-2007, 01:23 AM	#18
96blazer """"""""""""""""""""""""" Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 28,567 Location: ? User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by hutchS-10 3m all the way. if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually... 'painttoad come tear this thread up' Who are you refering too?
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05-14-2007, 07:31 AM	#19
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax whats the procedure for color sanding? dry? wet? grit?
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05-14-2007, 06:40 PM	#20
OhhWatALoser Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 300 Location: Detroit Area, Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3 whats the procedure for color sanding? dry? wet? grit? i've never herd the term "colorsand" but im assuming he just means sanding? wet sand 1000/1200 scratches, if you got a good amount clear left and a subborn scratch 800 wet is fine. if u want it really flat go over the whole thing with 2000 wet, i find it to be a show car only thing tho, but thats just me. always use a block when you can. after that compund and glaze.
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05-14-2007, 07:34 PM	#21
5918MIKE Registered User Age: 38 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 459 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by hutchS-10 3m all the way. if paint is new or old if you colorsand it then buff it youwill want to polish then wax . moron up there telling you polish isn't for new paint...it is....you buff a car with some typpe of cutting compound to freshen up older paint usually... 'painttoad come tear this thread up' I was just asking why he was wanting to polish the new paint, what was the defect he was trying to buff out or polish out, same difference. That cutting compound you use to buff new paint is a polish. If he rattled can it and it came out a little rough then I would suggest a wet sand, polish, and see how it looks, maybe even a second coat then wet sand and polish again. Same with orange peel on a new paint job, wet sand and polish to get it smooth, polish alone will take too long. If he's looking to seal and protect it like a glaze or a wax then i'd wait until the paint has cured properly, usually a few weeks is what i've been told by the body shops.
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05-14-2007, 11:19 PM	#22
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax ok. so wetsand 1000 grit is good? any block work?
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05-15-2007, 01:02 PM	#23
OhhWatALoser Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 300 Location: Detroit Area, Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax Quote: Originally Posted by greencactus3 ok. so wetsand 1000 grit is good? any block work? anything thats truly flat, just about anything is better than your hand.
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05-15-2007, 07:35 PM	#24
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,509 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax 2x4s? lol
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05-15-2007, 08:48 PM	#25
RKs95BlackSS Getting Layed Age: 24 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,455 Location: Sandwich, IL User is: OffLine	Re: what polish? not wax square tube steel?
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