wax ?

[IronZr2]

ok this may have been asked before but i was wondering about the new mejires wax. i think it is call NXT. if anyone has used it what do you think about it. does it leave a nice bright shine or what. any help would be nice

[Waynestowels]

Initial application- Looks great.
2-3 weeks durability.
One of Meguiars better products.

If you are looking for something local, try Liquid Glass (available at Autozone) or Duragloss (available at Carquest and NAPA auto parts stores).
Both are good products with Duragloss being the better (IMO) out of those two.

Try them both out and see which you like best..., you can not go wrong with either..., but if I had to choose one local product line, it would be Duragloss

[Dallas@2020Kustoms]

If I had to buy any one product off the shelf it would definitely be NXT Tech Wax.

This wax does give a beautiful glossy shine but doesn't seem to last long at all. In fact Meguiar's also sells a NXT Generation Spray Wax which is designed to "boost" and help maintain the shine of the Tech Wax.

As of yet it seems like the only company (I can think of) to create a long lasting synthetic shine is Zaino.

If you want a decent shine that lasts I suggest getting a product that is carnuba based. Paste waxes like Natty's Paste Wax have high quality carnuba content and will give you durability. Be cautioned though not all carnuba's are the same, there are different levels and qualities.

[dropped1]

NXT shines nice, and its easy to apply. Doesn't last very long at all.

[Waynestowels]

If you are looking for a long lasting carnuba, try Collinite...,
It will last longer than any other carnuba wax, Guaranteed.

Zaino is king of durability, both synthetic and carnuba..., so why use anything except what we know is the best

[IronZr2]

i keep seeing you all talk aobut the Zaino wax. where can i find it and how ez is it to apply. and will it rub off when you clay bar or does it last

[Derek@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by Waynestowels

If you are looking for a long lasting carnuba, try Collinite...,
It will last longer than any other carnuba wax, Guaranteed.

Zaino is king of durability, both synthetic and carnuba..., so why use anything except what we know is the best

Well Zaino is quality that is forsure. But "the best" I'm not so sure about. Especially with wax because everyone and their brother has an opinion and everyone claims it gives the most gloss or lasts the longest. Meguiars NXT, Zaino, 4* UPP, Natty's, Klasse AIO are all great products and you can find a die hard customer of each that will say "Its the best".

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by IronZr2

i keep seeing you all talk aobut the Zaino wax. where can i find it and how ez is it to apply. and will it rub off when you clay bar or does it last

You can find Zaino at this link-
http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

It is very easy to apply and has been tested as being the longest lasting protection on the market.

Clay "may" remove it, clay is designed to remove contaminants and would not know a sealant, wax or polish from anything else.
I always recommend re-waxing (or whatever product you want to use) after you are through claying.

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by Derek@2020Kustoms

Well Zaino is quality that is forsure. But "the best" I'm not so sure about. Especially with wax because everyone and their brother has an opinion and everyone claims it gives the most gloss or lasts the longest. Meguiars NXT, Zaino, 4* UPP, Natty's, Klasse AIO are all great products and you can find a die hard customer of each that will say "Its the best".

When I said "the best", I was speaking of durability (that is proven to be the longest lasting protectant on the market at this time).

We have tested 100's and 100's of products over the years and continue to do so (although we no longer est like we did only a couple of years ago)
Our main concern when testing protectants is the Durability.

I agree with you 100% that everyone has a favorite..., however, the tests we run (and a couple other manufacturers and "reviewers" such as the Wax Test, Guru Reports) are "blind" tests. Meaning the person that "rates" the panels have no idea what is applied to the panel so there can be no "favorites".

Zaino comes out on top for durability everytime (so far, and we have actively been searching for something that lasts longer and the closest was Einszett Glanz, it is also a synthetic, however, with the new 2005 VOC laws, we do not yet know how the durability is going to be when compared to 2004 Glanz Wax. I do know the new formula will stain trim lightly, whereas the 2004 Glanz did not, so that is a mark against it already..., I do not like products that stain..., anyhow, back to the subject

For carnuba, Collinite comes out on top everytime for durability.

Durability..., it is either protectig or not protecting,
Yes, I do agree that looks are mostly subjective as to who is looking at it and their preference...,
However, there is test equipment for that also, such as a glossometer, very expensive equipment, but will reveal the fact

My main concern is durability... (I realize others have different needs and wants)
IMO, Shine should be "added" before you apply the protectant by polishing.
After all the polishing, claying, washing, etc..., I want to use a long lasting protectant to "keep" the shine as long as possible.

Just a different point of view
I think it is good to have several different ideas posted so others have a choice and can decide which way of applying works best for them..., I really do like your posts

[Derek@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by Waynestowels

My main concern is durability... (I realize others have different needs and wants)
IMO, Shine should be "added" before you apply the protectant by polishing.
After all the polishing, claying, washing, etc..., I want to use a long lasting protectant to "keep" the shine as long as possible.

I agree. Shine and gloss are just a bonus of any wax/sealant IMO. But to the average guy cleaning his truck, durability is probably lower on the list. I would say ease of use and gloss/shine are higher on the list simply because the average person thinks of "gloss/shine" when they wax. Which of course is not true because you get the gloss and shine thru the 99 steps of clay, polishes, glazes etc lol.

[Dallas@2020Kustoms]

Apparently 5 Star Shine car polish is the best polish ever made and if you try it you won't buy any other products. "Guaranteed" Best of all you don't have to wax and it's all maintenance free, your vehicle just looks like new all the time!

Here's a link if you don't believe me:
http://www.5starshine.com/

I dunno guys, so many companies, so many ridiculous claims. Not to trash 5 Star Shine because I've never tried it, but honestly if it's too good to be true it probably is.

I personally do plenty of homework and testing and usually always come back to tried and true products that are sworn by. If anyone is interested they should take a cruise through a place like Autopia, it will soon become obvious what products are favoured amongst a vast majority (and for good reason).

[Derek@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas@2020Kustoms

Apparently 5 Star Shine car polish is the best polish ever made and if you try it you won't buy any other products. "Guaranteed" Best of all you don't have to wax and it's all maintenance free, your vehicle just looks like new all the time!

Here's a link if you don't believe me:
http://www.5starshine.com/

I dunno guys, so many companies, so many ridiculous claims. Not to trash 5 Star Shine because I've never tried it, but honestly if it's too good to be true it probably is.

That is what the local dealership must use because they have a lovely claim of "never wax again" if you buy their "exterior package" with a new vehicle. lol. Good find. :thumbup:

[dropped1]

I've done a lot of research....I ordered Zaino last week and its supposed to be here today. I'll let you all know what I think about it.

[2002ZQ8]

www.flynndist.com has a product called cherry wet wax BEST wax ever also has one called Ez carnuba(completly dust free i will swear to it) both last about 2 to 3 months check it out use his show car mist after washin in between waxes (his best product).....he sponsors my club and all the guys in it were die hard mothers and meguires guys and it sold them
if you want to order i dont think is site his ready for that yet...PM me and ill get you a good price

[StaticDime02]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2002ZQ8

www.flynndist.com has a product called cherry wet wax BEST wax ever also has one called Ez carnuba(completly dust free i will swear to it) both last about 2 to 3 months check it out use his show car mist after washin in between waxes (his best product).....he sponsors my club and all the guys in it were die hard mothers and meguires guys and it sold them
if you want to order i dont think is site is ready for that...PM me and ill get you a good price

Yep, Im gonna sound like a TV ad when I say this, but its the damn truth. Flynn car products are amazing. I have used it car wash, wax, clay bar kit, show car mist, tire dressing, glass cleaner, all purpose cleaner, and seen his billet wheel cleaner absolutely OWN mothers. We used mothers billet cleaner, then used Flynns minutes after. Flynn's turned the wheel almost solid black it was removing soooo much junk.

The wax is amazing. Very easy to use, goes on easy, comes off easy. Leaves a great shine. Like Brad(2002ZQ8) said, use the show car mist after washing and drying in between waxes, and the truck is sooo clean.

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by Derek@2020Kustoms

I agree. Shine and gloss are just a bonus of any wax/sealant IMO. But to the average guy cleaning his truck, durability is probably lower on the list. I would say ease of use and gloss/shine are higher on the list simply because the average person thinks of "gloss/shine" when they wax. Which of course is not true because you get the gloss and shine thru the 99 steps of clay, polishes, glazes etc lol.

Good point..., and you are correct, people seem to think the shine is created by the wax or even the gloss is created by wax...,

Education in detailing is moving along though and more and more of the average consumers are moving up to some of the higher end and specialized products...

Of course, the high end products also benefit from ease of use, not staining trim, etc, as well as the added durability

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas@2020Kustoms

Apparently 5 Star Shine car polish is the best polish ever made and if you try it you won't buy any other products. "Guaranteed" Best of all you don't have to wax and it's all maintenance free, your vehicle just looks like new all the time!

Here's a link if you don't believe me:
http://www.5starshine.com/

I dunno guys, so many companies, so many ridiculous claims. Not to trash 5 Star Shine because I've never tried it, but honestly if it's too good to be true it probably is.

I personally do plenty of homework and testing and usually always come back to tried and true products that are sworn by. If anyone is interested they should take a cruise through a place like Autopia, it will soon become obvious what products are favoured amongst a vast majority (and for good reason).

I have also tested 5 Star...,

Here is a point to ponder

There are 1,000's and 1'000's of detailing products out there.

There are less than 9 manufacturers for detailing chemicals.

Do the math..., 99% of everything out there is relabeled.
That is the reason most of the products out there are so similar in performance... except for the color and fragrance..., and of course the placebo effect from advertising claims, fancy labels and marketing...

I totally argee with you

[phillyaup]

just painted and need base and wax. have use mothers. but want a real great shine. help

[IronZr2]

i kknow about evryone wanting a shine. i work at a detail shop for about 2 years and we used egal on spray wax. it was good but it was not worth the extra 20 bucks the owner was charging to do the details

[2002ZQ8]

Quote: Originally Posted by phillyaup

just painted and need base and wax. have use mothers. but want a real great shine. help

Quote: Originally Posted by 2002ZQ8 www.flynndist.com has a product called cherry wet wax BEST wax ever also has one called Ez carnuba(completly dust free i will swear to it) both last about 2 to 3 months check it out use his show car mist after washin in between waxes (his best product).....he sponsors my club and all the guys in it were die hard mothers and meguires guys and it sold them
if you want to order i dont think is site is ready for that...PM me and ill get you a good price




Yep, Im gonna sound like a TV ad when I say this, but its the damn truth. Flynn car products are amazing. I have used it car wash, wax, clay bar kit, show car mist, tire dressing, glass cleaner, all purpose cleaner, and seen his billet wheel cleaner absolutely OWN mothers. We used mothers billet cleaner, then used Flynns minutes after. Flynn's turned the wheel almost solid black it was removing soooo much junk.

The wax is amazing. Very easy to use, goes on easy, comes off easy. Leaves a great shine. Like Brad(2002ZQ8) said, use the show car mist after washing and drying in between waxes, and the truck is sooo clean.

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[BlizzardofOzz]

i use moose wax and zymol

[Dallas@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by Waynestowels

I have also tested 5 Star...,

Here is a point to ponder

There are 1,000's and 1'000's of detailing products out there.

There are less than 9 manufacturers for detailing chemicals.

Do the math..., 99% of everything out there is relabeled.
That is the reason most of the products out there are so similar in performance... except for the color and fragrance..., and of course the placebo effect from advertising claims, fancy labels and marketing...

I totally argee with you

I dunno 99% seems a little steep doing any kind of math. I'll agree there is no doubt that many products are re-labelled with minimal change but it's hard to ignore just how complex chemistry is and how varying one molecule can make the difference between an awesome product and a so-so product. Different materials and different processes can make a HUGE difference.

Just look at something even simpler like cigarettes and cigars. They are all made by a few manufacturers and all have the same qualities... OR do they ? BTW I don't even smoke but there sure are a LOT of different brands.

I hate to sound like a broken record but I think in the end "you get what you pay for". Although that's not to say that all products are really worth what you pay. What a complex world we live in!

[5918MIKE]

To me prep is more important than the final wax, especially any of the top carnaubas. I could spend all day polishing out the swirls and then top it with turtle wax, compared to another car that's washed and waxed with say natty's or NXT, but is still swirled, someone might compare the two and say the turtle wax is better. Keep in mind that it's usually not the wax that gives the paint the overall look, it's part of an entire process and the wax is just the final step.

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dallas@2020Kustoms

I dunno 99% seems a little steep doing any kind of math. I'll agree there is no doubt that many products are re-labelled with minimal change but it's hard to ignore just how complex chemistry is and how varying one molecule can make the difference between an awesome product and a so-so product. Different materials and different processes can make a HUGE difference.

Just look at something even simpler like cigarettes and cigars. They are all made by a few manufacturers and all have the same qualities... OR do they ? BTW I don't even smoke but there sure are a LOT of different brands.

I hate to sound like a broken record but I think in the end "you get what you pay for". Although that's not to say that all products are really worth what you pay. What a complex world we live in!

Again..., I agree
Everything is complex now (I am 42), not "real" old, LOL!! But I do remember the days when you purchased a product, it said Made in USA..., EVERYTHING was USA.

Now a Toyota is a Chevy, a Jaguar is a Ford, a M-B is a Dodge, etc, etc, and again..., ETC, LOL!!

In "most" cases you get what you pay for, but not always..., for example-
(I do not want this to turn into a brand war and mean no harm, just using this as an example)

Look at Bose Audio (At one time I was into audio as much as I am into painting and detailing now)
Bose is a single driver, about 4" (don't remember the exact specs anymore) and sold for about $1,000 for a set.
IMO, they are just cheap paper cone single drivers (I remember there used to be a saying in the audio crowd- "No highs, no lows, must be Bose"

They are actually mid frequency speakers that are being run full range with no tweeter and no woofer.
To the audio enthusiest, they know what the "deal" is..., all sales, marketing and advertising and very little quality.
However, to the average consumer walking in an audio store to buy a stereo or home theater, they do not know the difference other than what the commercials have said as well as the salesman. (notice the Bose systems are never set-up in the same listening area with all the other speakers)

In some cases, you are paying for advertising, celebrity endorsments, etc, etc.

Then there is the other end of the spectrum and at the moment can not even think of an example , LOL!!!

But I do agree, except for the very few exceptions, you get what you pay for.

Just to add...,
When it comes to your car or truck, IMO, it is best to use a quality product to keep the paint like new.
The benifit is not just a good looking ride, but the resale value will also be a lot higher, essentially making all the wax you purchased free after you sale the truck.

Even if you do not want to use the best products on the market, at least keep it washed and waxed on a regular schedule, it will pay off in the long run

I noticed you are a sponsor of the forum...,
Is this a new business?

Take care!!!

[Dallas@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by 5918MIKE

To me prep is more important than the final wax, especially any of the top carnaubas. I could spend all day polishing out the swirls and then top it with turtle wax, compared to another car that's washed and waxed with say natty's or NXT, but is still swirled, someone might compare the two and say the turtle wax is better. Keep in mind that it's usually not the wax that gives the paint the overall look, it's part of an entire process and the wax is just the final step.

I remember the days when I thought if I washed my truck and then applied some wax that it should look great. Usually I was pretty disappointed, so I took matters into my own hands and began researching and trying new and different techniques. Man does it make a world of difference !


This thread has gone to hell ! LOL I think the guy just wanted to know if NXT was an ok wax...

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by 5918MIKE

To me prep is more important than the final wax, especially any of the top carnaubas. I could spend all day polishing out the swirls and then top it with turtle wax, compared to another car that's washed and waxed with say natty's or NXT, but is still swirled, someone might compare the two and say the turtle wax is better. Keep in mind that it's usually not the wax that gives the paint the overall look, it's part of an entire process and the wax is just the final step.

Great post!!
You are dead on target.
"Wax" was originally a protectant, but now there are so many variations..., cleaner wax, swirl remover wax, waxes with glazes, etc, etc...

Wax, as you stated, "should" be a last step product that allows the prep work and paint to "shine through".

[IronZr2]

it is true all i wnated to know was if NXT was a good wax but who cares talk it up

[LikeaRock]

I've heard NXT is good stuff too, but once again also that it doesn't last long.
I remember when I too thought that washing/waxing was good enough, then I was getting dissapointed with the results I was getting. I started reading online in all the forums I go to, and discovered a whole new world. I'm still learning something new every day! The more you learn, the better you can keep your rig looking, which always impresses people
I'm still an amature (sp) by all means, but I'm getting the hang of all these different steps

[badbanshee03]

ZYMOL CARBON WAX is the best wax on the market hands down.you can argue all you want but ive been using this wax for years and have yet to find aything better for the wet look shine, durability,and long lasting.when ferrari makes it the official wax for there cars, i think that tells you something.

[Waynestowels]

What makes it "the best" wax?
Does it have more durability than Zaino?
Easier to apply than P21S?
Priced less than Mothers?
Locally available like Meguiars?

So far, the answer would have to be No...

Just to make myself clear..., there is no "best wax" in all catagories and high price or exclusiveness does not make a product "good", just marketing...

[ACE2790]

Im looking for a wax to give a great shine and also get rid of swirl marks and small imperfections..any help?

[Waynestowels]

Quote: Originally Posted by ACE2790

Im looking for a wax to give a great shine and also get rid of swirl marks and small imperfections..any help?

With wax, as with everything in life, there are trade-off's.
It is hard to have a product excell in all areas, so it is best, IMO, to use a couple of products that do one "job" good.

For example, to get rid of swirls or imperfections you will need an abrasive, for a great shine you will need light polishes, cleaners and/or glazes and for protection you will need a wax or sealant for long term protection.

So, think about trying to find everything in one bottle..., while the wax is trying to protect, the cleaner is removing the wax, as the polishes are trying to shine, the abrasives are negating the shine, as the glaze is trying to cover and add gloss, the polish is removing it, etc, etc (it would be a vicious cycle).

The best all in one product I have found is Klasse All In One, however, rumor has it that the formula has recently changed, although I do not know first hand, but I do know the "original formula" is a good product if you are wanting a one step product.
Fo the best results though, use a sealant or wax for protection, a paing cleanser for cleaning the paint, a polish for removing oxidation and polishing, etc, etc...

Hope this helps

[Derek@2020Kustoms]

Quote: Originally Posted by ACE2790

Im looking for a wax to give a great shine and also get rid of swirl marks and small imperfections..any help?

Klasse AIO
Meguiars NXT