swirly wirlys

david owens · 11-06-2005, 05:31 PM

in a certain angle in the sun i can see light swirls whats the best way to get rid of them? i have a slow speed 9 inch walmart buffer but what else do i need ? the paint looks awesome in the shade

LikeaRock · 11-07-2005, 09:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by david owens

in a certain angle in the sun i can see light swirls whats the best way to get rid of them? i have a slow speed 9 inch walmart buffer but what else do i need ? the paint looks awesome in the shade

Those aren't swirls, it's called spider webbing

The only way to remove them is to use an abrasive polish with a high speed or a D/A polisher, if you don't have access with one or can't afford one right now, ask a detail shop if they can give you a discount if you help out.
If you can afford one, I highly reccomend buying a D/A polisher like the Porter Cable. It's virtually impossible to leave swirls or burn through the paint, and they're just as effective as a high speed, unless you're remong serious paint defects. After you use it once it pays for itself

dillon_b12 · 11-07-2005, 09:32 PM

Seems like Porter Cable has a monopoly on D/As...I only hear ppl recommend it. By the way, stupid question, what does D/A mean?

LikeaRock · 11-08-2005, 03:11 AM

D/A means Dual Action, just like a D/A pnuematic (sp) sander. And yes, they've more or less cornered the market on them. DeWalt and a couple others are out there, but they don't seem to be as effective or cost more

Nate01Xtreme · 11-08-2005, 04:18 PM

A good wax will cover it up. Try Meguiars Gold Class. Damn good wax.

LikeaRock · 11-08-2005, 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Nate01Xtreme

A good wax will cover it up. Try Meguiars Gold Class. Damn good wax.

Waxing won't do anything, even if you use a wax with fillers you can only remove them with a good polishing

black4.3 · 11-08-2005, 09:42 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

The only way to remove them is to use an abrasive polish with a high speed or a D/A polisher

That isnt true. Its possible to remove spiderwebbing by hand but it would be alot of work. Poorboys ssrs and scratch X will do the job. Like I said, your arm might feel like jello after words though.

LikeaRock · 11-08-2005, 09:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3

That isnt true. Its possible to remove spiderwebbing by hand but it would be alot of work. Poorboys ssrs and scratch X will do the job. Like I said, your arm might feel like jello after words though.

It'll work, but in order to truely remove them you need to get heat into the paint, that's where a high speed or something like the PC comes in. you aren't going to reach 1,500 RPM's by hand

Scratch-X works good for minor blemishes and spider webbing and such. It might take a few applications to get a good result, but it'll do the job. But like I said, in order to TRUELY remove them, you need a polisher

black4.3 · 11-08-2005, 10:56 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

It'll work, but in order to truely remove them you need to get heat into the paint, that's where a high speed or something like the PC comes in. you aren't going to reach 1,500 RPM's by hand

Scratch-X works good for minor blemishes and spider webbing and such. It might take a few applications to get a good result, but it'll do the job. But like I said, in order to TRUELY remove them, you need a polisher

Heat has nothing to do with removing them. It might help in breaking down abrasive products but isnt neccesary. Like you mentioned above, you do need an abrasive product but it is in combination of product and working the it. If you dont work it enough the abrasives wont break down. Heat is just one of the things that happens because of the pressure and action of the machine. But I could be wrong but dont think so.

dillon_b12 · 11-08-2005, 10:58 PM

Heat does having something to do with it.

StaticDime02 · 11-08-2005, 11:09 PM

LikeaRock, any suggestions on a Porter Cable D/A that your talkin about? A link would be good too.

dillon_b12 · 11-08-2005, 11:11 PM

I believe the one everyone recommends is a Porter Cable 7424.

black4.3 · 11-08-2005, 11:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by dillon_b12

Heat does having something to do with it.

What makes you think. Like I said, Its just there from the machine rotating or orbiting. It might help but you dont need it. I understand pressure causes heat but its the working of the product that makes it breakdown and polish.

imstur2 · 11-08-2005, 11:18 PM

how much is that?

dillon_b12 · 11-08-2005, 11:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3

What makes you think. Like I said, Its just there from the machine rotating or orbiting. It might help but you dont need it. I understand pressure causes heat but its the working of the product that makes it breakdown and polish.

The heat breaks the clear down somewhat I believe and helps it flatten. If that makes sense...

LikeaRock · 11-09-2005, 03:59 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3

Heat has nothing to do with removing them. It might help in breaking down abrasive products but isnt neccesary. Like you mentioned above, you do need an abrasive product but it is in combination of product and working the it. If you dont work it enough the abrasives wont break down. Heat is just one of the things that happens because of the pressure and action of the machine. But I could be wrong but dont think so.

Exactly, you need heat to break down some of the abrasives in certain polishes. Doing sratch/swirl removal by hand can be successful, but it can't touch the rsults you can get with a high speed or a D/A

Static: Check out www.detailcity.com for anything you need to know about it, there's some tutorials as well as other information about the right pads/polishes to use. They also have a lot of links to sponsors over there that carry the PC and everything you need to go with it. I'd type the links in, but I'm kinda lazy right now

StaticDime02 · 11-09-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

Exactly, you need heat to break down some of the abrasives in certain polishes. Doing sratch/swirl removal by hand can be successful, but it can't touch the rsults you can get with a high speed or a D/A

Static: Check out www.detailcity.com for anything you need to know about it, there's some tutorials as well as other information about the right pads/polishes to use. They also have a lot of links to sponsors over there that carry the PC and everything you need to go with it. I'd type the links in, but I'm kinda lazy right now

Thanks man, I was lookin at a few places last night, and I'll definately check that site out.

Metlhed01 · 11-09-2005, 10:20 PM

eh, i loved my Dynabrade D/A. never used a porter cable though.

masssdime420 · 11-28-2005, 02:43 AM

all the truck needs is a really good buff. get yourself a dewalt buffer and some lite finish and some ip200 swirl remover. cut the whole truck with lite finish and a wool pad at a slow speed, likke 1400, then polish it with ip200 and a foam pad and finish with wax. the best wax u can buy is mothers in a red can, pure caranuba car wax

BlackEsDime · 11-28-2005, 03:06 AM

the best way to do it, is to use a high speed buffer with a mild abbraisive rubbing compound and machine glaze... and if you don't know how to high speed buff, i wouldn't recomend doing it, you can burn the paint and rip off moldings pretty easy at 2000 RPM.

11-06-2005, 05:31 PM	#1
david owens dun4sho Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 254 Location: nashville tn User is: OffLine	swirly wirlys in a certain angle in the sun i can see light swirls whats the best way to get rid of them? i have a slow speed 9 inch walmart buffer but what else do i need ? the paint looks awesome in the shade
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11-07-2005, 09:25 PM	#2
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by david owens in a certain angle in the sun i can see light swirls whats the best way to get rid of them? i have a slow speed 9 inch walmart buffer but what else do i need ? the paint looks awesome in the shade Those aren't swirls, it's called spider webbing The only way to remove them is to use an abrasive polish with a high speed or a D/A polisher, if you don't have access with one or can't afford one right now, ask a detail shop if they can give you a discount if you help out. If you can afford one, I highly reccomend buying a D/A polisher like the Porter Cable. It's virtually impossible to leave swirls or burn through the paint, and they're just as effective as a high speed, unless you're remong serious paint defects. After you use it once it pays for itself
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11-07-2005, 09:32 PM	#3
dillon_b12 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,254 Location: Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Seems like Porter Cable has a monopoly on D/As...I only hear ppl recommend it. By the way, stupid question, what does D/A mean?
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11-08-2005, 03:11 AM	#4
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys D/A means Dual Action, just like a D/A pnuematic (sp) sander. And yes, they've more or less cornered the market on them. DeWalt and a couple others are out there, but they don't seem to be as effective or cost more
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11-08-2005, 04:18 PM	#5
Nate01Xtreme Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys A good wax will cover it up. Try Meguiars Gold Class. Damn good wax.
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11-08-2005, 06:00 PM	#6
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by Nate01Xtreme A good wax will cover it up. Try Meguiars Gold Class. Damn good wax. Waxing won't do anything, even if you use a wax with fillers you can only remove them with a good polishing
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11-08-2005, 09:42 PM	#7
black4.3 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 39 Location: where s10s where made User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock The only way to remove them is to use an abrasive polish with a high speed or a D/A polisher That isnt true. Its possible to remove spiderwebbing by hand but it would be alot of work. Poorboys ssrs and scratch X will do the job. Like I said, your arm might feel like jello after words though.
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11-08-2005, 09:59 PM	#8
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3 That isnt true. Its possible to remove spiderwebbing by hand but it would be alot of work. Poorboys ssrs and scratch X will do the job. Like I said, your arm might feel like jello after words though. It'll work, but in order to truely remove them you need to get heat into the paint, that's where a high speed or something like the PC comes in. you aren't going to reach 1,500 RPM's by hand Scratch-X works good for minor blemishes and spider webbing and such. It might take a few applications to get a good result, but it'll do the job. But like I said, in order to TRUELY remove them, you need a polisher
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11-08-2005, 10:56 PM	#9
black4.3 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 39 Location: where s10s where made User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock It'll work, but in order to truely remove them you need to get heat into the paint, that's where a high speed or something like the PC comes in. you aren't going to reach 1,500 RPM's by hand Scratch-X works good for minor blemishes and spider webbing and such. It might take a few applications to get a good result, but it'll do the job. But like I said, in order to TRUELY remove them, you need a polisher Heat has nothing to do with removing them. It might help in breaking down abrasive products but isnt neccesary. Like you mentioned above, you do need an abrasive product but it is in combination of product and working the it. If you dont work it enough the abrasives wont break down. Heat is just one of the things that happens because of the pressure and action of the machine. But I could be wrong but dont think so.
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11-08-2005, 10:58 PM	#10
dillon_b12 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,254 Location: Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Heat does having something to do with it.
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11-08-2005, 11:09 PM	#11
StaticDime02 Chyeah Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,680 Location: Maryville / Cookeville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys LikeaRock, any suggestions on a Porter Cable D/A that your talkin about? A link would be good too.
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11-08-2005, 11:11 PM	#12
dillon_b12 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,254 Location: Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys I believe the one everyone recommends is a Porter Cable 7424.
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11-08-2005, 11:18 PM	#13
black4.3 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 39 Location: where s10s where made User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by dillon_b12 Heat does having something to do with it. What makes you think. Like I said, Its just there from the machine rotating or orbiting. It might help but you dont need it. I understand pressure causes heat but its the working of the product that makes it breakdown and polish.
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11-08-2005, 11:18 PM	#14
imstur2 Yee Haa!!! Age: 23 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 281 Location: Lex Vegas Kentucky, Wildcat Country User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys how much is that?
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11-08-2005, 11:21 PM	#15
dillon_b12 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,254 Location: Kentucky User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3 What makes you think. Like I said, Its just there from the machine rotating or orbiting. It might help but you dont need it. I understand pressure causes heat but its the working of the product that makes it breakdown and polish. The heat breaks the clear down somewhat I believe and helps it flatten. If that makes sense...
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11-09-2005, 03:59 AM	#16
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by black4.3 Heat has nothing to do with removing them. It might help in breaking down abrasive products but isnt neccesary. Like you mentioned above, you do need an abrasive product but it is in combination of product and working the it. If you dont work it enough the abrasives wont break down. Heat is just one of the things that happens because of the pressure and action of the machine. But I could be wrong but dont think so. Exactly, you need heat to break down some of the abrasives in certain polishes. Doing sratch/swirl removal by hand can be successful, but it can't touch the rsults you can get with a high speed or a D/A Static: Check out www.detailcity.com for anything you need to know about it, there's some tutorials as well as other information about the right pads/polishes to use. They also have a lot of links to sponsors over there that carry the PC and everything you need to go with it. I'd type the links in, but I'm kinda lazy right now
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11-09-2005, 12:04 PM	#17
StaticDime02 Chyeah Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,680 Location: Maryville / Cookeville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock Exactly, you need heat to break down some of the abrasives in certain polishes. Doing sratch/swirl removal by hand can be successful, but it can't touch the rsults you can get with a high speed or a D/A Static: Check out www.detailcity.com for anything you need to know about it, there's some tutorials as well as other information about the right pads/polishes to use. They also have a lot of links to sponsors over there that carry the PC and everything you need to go with it. I'd type the links in, but I'm kinda lazy right now Thanks man, I was lookin at a few places last night, and I'll definately check that site out.
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11-09-2005, 10:20 PM	#18
Metlhed01 ANGRY BABY! Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,378 Location: Micco, FL (sebastian) User is: Online	Re: swirly wirlys eh, i loved my Dynabrade D/A. never used a porter cable though.
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11-28-2005, 02:43 AM	#19
masssdime420 NVR2LO Age: 25 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 700 Location: Palm Bay, FL User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys all the truck needs is a really good buff. get yourself a dewalt buffer and some lite finish and some ip200 swirl remover. cut the whole truck with lite finish and a wool pad at a slow speed, likke 1400, then polish it with ip200 and a foam pad and finish with wax. the best wax u can buy is mothers in a red can, pure caranuba car wax
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11-28-2005, 03:06 AM	#20
BlackEsDime Honest Abe's Fab Shoppe Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,442 Location: Orlando, FL User is: OffLine	Re: swirly wirlys the best way to do it, is to use a high speed buffer with a mild abbraisive rubbing compound and machine glaze... and if you don't know how to high speed buff, i wouldn't recomend doing it, you can burn the paint and rip off moldings pretty easy at 2000 RPM.
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