It should be illegal...

sloe · 04-06-2006, 05:48 PM

... for detailers to put "conditioner" stuff on steering wheels and shifters. You can't hold on to the damned things when they've got that slick s**t all over them.

I just went to pick up my truck from the detailer, it's finally driveable after having bought it almost 3 months ago. He did a decent job for $50, but damn, did he have to slather my steering wheel with the professional equivalent of Armor All?

do any of you pros out there do this? I think it's reprehensible, but hey, I live in my own little world.

-sloe

DfntPntbll · 04-06-2006, 05:51 PM

thats why I detail my own truck,.. I dont even use conditioners,.. I just vaccum and fabreez.

bunit20 · 04-06-2006, 06:42 PM

yea today kid i work with detailed a 02 blazer and sprayed this shit all over the interior i mean it looks good but i could barely grip the steering wheel and it feels like grease or somethin

Phontain · 04-07-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll

thats why I detail my own truck,.. I dont even use conditioners,.. I just vaccum and fabreez.

I dont think that counts as detailing.

DfntPntbll · 04-07-2006, 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Phontain

I dont think that counts as detailing.

I detail,.. I get into all the cracks and everything, clean out the consol, clean out my map holders, everything,.. except armorall,.. I didnt feel like typing all of that to explain myself to everyone on the board.

not that I have to anyways.

TnHombre · 04-07-2006, 11:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by sloe

... for detailers to put "conditioner" stuff on steering wheels and shifters. You can't hold on to the damned things when they've got that slick s**t all over them.

I just went to pick up my truck from the detailer, it's finally driveable after having bought it almost 3 months ago. He did a decent job for $50, but damn, did he have to slather my steering wheel with the professional equivalent of Armor All?

do any of you pros out there do this? I think it's reprehensible, but hey, I live in my own little world.

-sloe

HAHA

well actually if you use the correct product YES it should be conditioned!!

armor all is NOT a conditioner!!!

it is a dressing

and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?.....

my INTERIOR details START at $75.oo just for the inside only!!

** find your self a new detailer my friend.......there are still a few good ones left.

DfntPntbll · 04-07-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre

HAHA
well actually if you use the correct product YES it should be conditioned!!

armor all is NOT a conditioner!!!
it is a dressing

and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?.....

my INTERIOR details START at $75.oo just for the inside only!!

** find your self a new detailer my friend.......there are still a few good ones left.

I have some stuff I got for free from the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealer here. its called Leatherguard and is sold by the dealer normally for around $75 for a kit with wash concentrate, leather guard, paint guard, and upholstry cleaner,... would this be any good?

BobOnAir · 04-07-2006, 11:39 AM

Ha, Ha, Ha,,, Have I got a little trick for you!!!

Whatever you're using, Armour All <--- although I don't recommend it! or any interior "conditioner", I find the best conditioner, go to a Leather Coat store, they usually sell Suede and cheaper stuff too,, they have all kinds of great products to keep your coats conditioned.

Anyway,, after you apply the stuff and wipe the excess away, let it sit for a bit and take a damp cloth and wipe the shine away, this will take the "greasy" feel and the risk of steering wheel slippage but leave the material "conditioned"

We have leather and vynil interiors in all our funeral vehicles, I've been doing it this ways for a long time, works great!

The opinions stated above are for informational purposes only, following these directions are solely to the operator of the vehicle, author assumes no responsibility for misuse of information, or any injury to possesions or persons that may result

DfntPntbll · 04-07-2006, 11:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by fauker

The opinions stated above are for informational purposes only, following these directions are solely to the operator of the vehicle, author assumes no responsibility for misuse of information, or any injury to possesions or persons that may result

Way to cover your ass man,...

LikeaRock · 04-07-2006, 11:52 AM

I clean it, if I do dress the steering wheel I'll use a water based dressing diluted a LOT

sloe · 04-07-2006, 12:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre

HAHA
and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?.....

It's normally $125, but I had a coupon for $39.95, $49.95 for trucks. I thought I'd give it shot, since I didn't have the capability of shampooing the carpet myself, and the car wash place up the street wanted $50 just for that part. I think the $50 I paid was worth it, except for that one big gripe and a few small ones.

From now on, I'll do it myself. I just needed to get the previous owner's stains and smoke residue out of it so I could make it my daily driver. Next step is the dampner and stopping the rattles - this thing squeaks like a mouse with it's tail caught in a trap just out of reach of the cheese.

-sloe

dropped1 · 04-07-2006, 12:17 PM

Yeah, if your going to dress your steering wheel...stick with a water based dressing or conditioner.

blazed88 · 04-07-2006, 12:21 PM

some detailers use that stuff to cover up what they don't wanna clean up. so jus wipe it off your steering wheel an slap that shitties in yo hair an roll out

TnHombre · 04-07-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by fauker

Have I got a little trick for you!!!
Anyway,, after you apply the stuff and wipe the excess away, let it sit for a bit and take a damp cloth and wipe the shine away, this will take the "greasy" feel and the risk of steering wheel slippage but leave the material "conditioned"

well again if you use the correct product you wont have to "wipe the excess away"..........
use a greaseless product.

for those that are interested in a great product , this is what i only use on VINYL and plastics. (but NOT for leather IMO)
it cant be bought in stores so you'll have to find it somewhere online .......
i wont tell you how much it is ill let you find out the price ...hehehe...

but i will tell you that a gallon of this "water" based dressing costs more than 75% of any detailers products, gallons, of ANY product!!

but you will never use any other "dressing" in your life.

you'll get a bill in the mail for this tip...

. HEY...

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

.

YOU need to try this one...

ATTENTION: LikeaRock...read that ^^^

LikeaRock · 04-07-2006, 09:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre

well again if you use the correct product you wont have to "wipe the excess away"..........
use a greaseless product.

for those that are interested in a great product , this is what i only use on VINYL and plastics. (but NOT for leather IMO)
it cant be bought in stores so you'll have to find it somewhere online .......
i wont tell you how much it is ill let you find out the price ...hehehe...

but i will tell you that a gallon of this "water" based dressing costs more than 75% of any detailers products, gallons, of ANY product!!

but you will never use any other "dressing" in your life.

you'll get a bill in the mail for this tip...

. HEY...

YOU need to try this one...

ATTENTION: LikeaRock...read that ^^^

Well you should have told me about it sooner you poon!

I just spend $100 online, I'm waiting for damn UPS to drop the package off, its supposed to come today. Plus I just got the new Edge Wave Waffle pads at P&S during my lunch break. I'm a broke mofugguh right now

Anyway, I've heard of Malco, I've heard they've got some good stuff. I'm almost positive they're the mother company of Presta, and I really like their polishes, so I'll probably like that stuff too!

TnHombre · 04-07-2006, 10:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

Well you should have told me about it sooner you poon!
I just spend $100 online,

whatever you do DONT buy optimum's dressing (forget its name "optishine" i think) its not worth the $$

LikeaRock · 04-07-2006, 10:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre

whatever you do DONT buy optimum's dressing (forget its name "optishine" i think) its not worth the $$

Oh, I don't plan on it. And besides, I really like the dressings I can pick up at P&S, especially Wipe N Shine. when I was in there today I noticed their "Silicone Free tire dressing", we have the silicone based dressing at work, it kicks ass but I hate how it runs in the rain, I might have to try this stuff instead, as well as others

TnHombre · 04-08-2006, 12:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock

Oh, I don't plan on it. And besides, I really like the dressings I can pick up at P&S, especially Wipe N Shine. when I was in there today I noticed their "Silicone Free tire dressing", we have the silicone based dressing at work, it kicks ass but I hate how it runs in the rain, I might have to try this stuff instead, as well as others

i use wipe-n-shine also.......mainly only on exterior mouldings and mirrors

bvr775 · 04-08-2006, 12:15 AM

eww armor all on the sterring wheel. punch the detailer in the kidneys for me.

I use meqiurs leather conditioner on my wheel.

Phontain · 04-08-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll

I detail,.. I get into all the cracks and everything, clean out the consol, clean out my map holders, everything,.. except armorall,.. I didnt feel like typing all of that to explain myself to everyone on the board. not that I have to anyways.

I made you type it anyways

low97s10 · 04-14-2006, 11:06 PM

i work in a detail shop and we never use any knid of dressing that will shine and blind you unless customer requests it. it is too dangerous. sun bounces off the dressing on the dash and you can see and end up in the ditch or the rear of someone's car. that malco dressing is great. we use it on vinyl floors in trucks. also works great on bed liners.

mybluedime · 04-18-2006, 10:55 PM

Never should you dress the steering wheel, thats crazy,maybe the horn and stuff but never the part you grab i think its better to have a nice clean steering wheel,and there is this stuff called pro shine its in a can its great it protects and shines and it holds it shine if it gets dust on it just rewipe it and its good to go and it dont blind you either!

bad03xtreme · 04-19-2006, 03:46 PM

This is what you want to use on your interior (dash, door pannels, etc...) Good stuff and protects from UV rays to help keep color.

dropped1 · 04-19-2006, 04:41 PM

I like poorboys natural look dressing...

TnHombre · 04-20-2006, 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by low97s10

that malco dressing is great. we use it on vinyl floors in trucks. also works great on bed liners.

LoRollinLS · 04-26-2006, 11:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll

Way to cover your ass man,...

atta boy

chevy power · 05-17-2006, 02:15 PM

Malco has some leather conditioner stuff, probbably the best product I have used on leather.

04-06-2006, 05:48 PM	#1
sloe Texan by Marriage Age: 36 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 127 Location: San Antonio User is: OffLine	It should be illegal... ... for detailers to put "conditioner" stuff on steering wheels and shifters. You can't hold on to the damned things when they've got that slick s**t all over them. I just went to pick up my truck from the detailer, it's finally driveable after having bought it almost 3 months ago. He did a decent job for $50, but damn, did he have to slather my steering wheel with the professional equivalent of Armor All? do any of you pros out there do this? I think it's reprehensible, but hey, I live in my own little world. -sloe
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04-06-2006, 05:51 PM	#2
DfntPntbll Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,062 Location: St. Auggie Dog, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... thats why I detail my own truck,.. I dont even use conditioners,.. I just vaccum and fabreez.
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04-06-2006, 06:42 PM	#3
bunit20 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 968 Location: Dayton ohio attend wright state university User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... yea today kid i work with detailed a 02 blazer and sprayed this shit all over the interior i mean it looks good but i could barely grip the steering wheel and it feels like grease or somethin
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04-07-2006, 03:24 AM	#4
Phontain Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,162 Location: So-Cal User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll thats why I detail my own truck,.. I dont even use conditioners,.. I just vaccum and fabreez. I dont think that counts as detailing.
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04-07-2006, 08:50 AM	#5
DfntPntbll Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,062 Location: St. Auggie Dog, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by Phontain I dont think that counts as detailing. I detail,.. I get into all the cracks and everything, clean out the consol, clean out my map holders, everything,.. except armorall,.. I didnt feel like typing all of that to explain myself to everyone on the board. not that I have to anyways.
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04-07-2006, 11:09 AM	#6
TnHombre UNBANNED BITCHES!! Age: 33 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,007 Location: fayetteville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by sloe ... for detailers to put "conditioner" stuff on steering wheels and shifters. You can't hold on to the damned things when they've got that slick st all over them. I just went to pick up my truck from the detailer, it's finally driveable after having bought it almost 3 months ago. He did a decent job for $50, but damn, did he have to slather my steering wheel with the professional equivalent of Armor All? do any of you pros out there do this? I think it's reprehensible, but hey, I live in my own little world. -sloe HAHA well actually if you use the correct product YES it should be conditioned!! armor all is NOT a conditioner!!! it is a dressing and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?..... my INTERIOR details START at $75.oo just for the inside only!! find your self a new detailer my friend.......there are still a few good ones left.
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04-07-2006, 11:34 AM	#7
DfntPntbll Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,062 Location: St. Auggie Dog, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre HAHA well actually if you use the correct product YES it should be conditioned!! armor all is NOT a conditioner!!! it is a dressing and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?..... my INTERIOR details START at $75.oo just for the inside only!! ** find your self a new detailer my friend.......there are still a few good ones left. I have some stuff I got for free from the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealer here. its called Leatherguard and is sold by the dealer normally for around $75 for a kit with wash concentrate, leather guard, paint guard, and upholstry cleaner,... would this be any good?
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04-07-2006, 11:39 AM	#8
BobOnAir The other "body" man Age: 33 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,517 Location: Arnprior, Ontario, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Ha, Ha, Ha,,, Have I got a little trick for you!!! Whatever you're using, Armour All <--- although I don't recommend it! or any interior "conditioner", I find the best conditioner, go to a Leather Coat store, they usually sell Suede and cheaper stuff too,, they have all kinds of great products to keep your coats conditioned. Anyway,, after you apply the stuff and wipe the excess away, let it sit for a bit and take a damp cloth and wipe the shine away, this will take the "greasy" feel and the risk of steering wheel slippage but leave the material "conditioned" We have leather and vynil interiors in all our funeral vehicles, I've been doing it this ways for a long time, works great! The opinions stated above are for informational purposes only, following these directions are solely to the operator of the vehicle, author assumes no responsibility for misuse of information, or any injury to possesions or persons that may result
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04-07-2006, 11:45 AM	#9
DfntPntbll Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,062 Location: St. Auggie Dog, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by fauker The opinions stated above are for informational purposes only, following these directions are solely to the operator of the vehicle, author assumes no responsibility for misuse of information, or any injury to possesions or persons that may result Way to cover your ass man,...
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04-07-2006, 11:52 AM	#10
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... I clean it, if I do dress the steering wheel I'll use a water based dressing diluted a LOT
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04-07-2006, 12:13 PM	#11
sloe Texan by Marriage Age: 36 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 127 Location: San Antonio User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre HAHA and $50.oo??....remember that saying....you get what you pay for?..... It's normally $125, but I had a coupon for $39.95, $49.95 for trucks. I thought I'd give it shot, since I didn't have the capability of shampooing the carpet myself, and the car wash place up the street wanted $50 just for that part. I think the $50 I paid was worth it, except for that one big gripe and a few small ones. From now on, I'll do it myself. I just needed to get the previous owner's stains and smoke residue out of it so I could make it my daily driver. Next step is the dampner and stopping the rattles - this thing squeaks like a mouse with it's tail caught in a trap just out of reach of the cheese. -sloe
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04-07-2006, 12:17 PM	#12
dropped1 bagged1 Age: 23 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,214 Location: Yokosuka, Japan User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Yeah, if your going to dress your steering wheel...stick with a water based dressing or conditioner.
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04-07-2006, 12:21 PM	#13
blazed88 SMACK that ass Age: 28 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,805 Location: Newnan, Ga User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... some detailers use that stuff to cover up what they don't wanna clean up. so jus wipe it off your steering wheel an slap that shitties in yo hair an roll out
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04-07-2006, 07:50 PM	#14
TnHombre UNBANNED BITCHES!! Age: 33 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,007 Location: fayetteville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by fauker Have I got a little trick for you!!! Anyway,, after you apply the stuff and wipe the excess away, let it sit for a bit and take a damp cloth and wipe the shine away, this will take the "greasy" feel and the risk of steering wheel slippage but leave the material "conditioned" well again if you use the correct product you wont have to "wipe the excess away".......... use a greaseless product. for those that are interested in a great product , this is what i only use on VINYL and plastics. (but NOT for leather IMO) it cant be bought in stores so you'll have to find it somewhere online ....... i wont tell you how much it is ill let you find out the price ...hehehe... but i will tell you that a gallon of this "water" based dressing costs more than 75% of any detailers products, gallons, of ANY product!! but you will never use any other "dressing" in your life. you'll get a bill in the mail for this tip... . HEY... Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock . YOU need to try this one... ATTENTION: LikeaRock...read that ^^^ Last edited by TnHombre : 04-07-2006 at 07:55 PM.
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04-07-2006, 09:13 PM	#15
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre well again if you use the correct product you wont have to "wipe the excess away".......... use a greaseless product. for those that are interested in a great product , this is what i only use on VINYL and plastics. (but NOT for leather IMO) it cant be bought in stores so you'll have to find it somewhere online ....... i wont tell you how much it is ill let you find out the price ...hehehe... but i will tell you that a gallon of this "water" based dressing costs more than 75% of any detailers products, gallons, of ANY product!! but you will never use any other "dressing" in your life. you'll get a bill in the mail for this tip... . HEY... YOU need to try this one... ATTENTION: LikeaRock...read that ^^^ Well you should have told me about it sooner you poon! I just spend $100 online, I'm waiting for damn UPS to drop the package off, its supposed to come today. Plus I just got the new Edge Wave Waffle pads at P&S during my lunch break. I'm a broke mofugguh right now Anyway, I've heard of Malco, I've heard they've got some good stuff. I'm almost positive they're the mother company of Presta, and I really like their polishes, so I'll probably like that stuff too!
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04-07-2006, 10:17 PM	#16
TnHombre UNBANNED BITCHES!! Age: 33 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,007 Location: fayetteville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock Well you should have told me about it sooner you poon! I just spend $100 online, whatever you do DONT buy optimum's dressing (forget its name "optishine" i think) its not worth the $$
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04-07-2006, 10:46 PM	#17
LikeaRock Rustbucket Club Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 772 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by TnHombre whatever you do DONT buy optimum's dressing (forget its name "optishine" i think) its not worth the $$ Oh, I don't plan on it. And besides, I really like the dressings I can pick up at P&S, especially Wipe N Shine. when I was in there today I noticed their "Silicone Free tire dressing", we have the silicone based dressing at work, it kicks ass but I hate how it runs in the rain, I might have to try this stuff instead, as well as others
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04-08-2006, 12:09 AM	#18
TnHombre UNBANNED BITCHES!! Age: 33 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,007 Location: fayetteville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by LikeaRock Oh, I don't plan on it. And besides, I really like the dressings I can pick up at P&S, especially Wipe N Shine. when I was in there today I noticed their "Silicone Free tire dressing", we have the silicone based dressing at work, it kicks ass but I hate how it runs in the rain, I might have to try this stuff instead, as well as others i use wipe-n-shine also.......mainly only on exterior mouldings and mirrors
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04-08-2006, 12:15 AM	#19
bvr775 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 568 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... eww armor all on the sterring wheel. punch the detailer in the kidneys for me. I use meqiurs leather conditioner on my wheel.
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04-08-2006, 01:31 AM	#20
Phontain Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,162 Location: So-Cal User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll I detail,.. I get into all the cracks and everything, clean out the consol, clean out my map holders, everything,.. except armorall,.. I didnt feel like typing all of that to explain myself to everyone on the board. not that I have to anyways. I made you type it anyways
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04-14-2006, 11:06 PM	#21
low97s10 dreaming of bags Age: 30 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 167 Location: Monmouth, Il User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... i work in a detail shop and we never use any knid of dressing that will shine and blind you unless customer requests it. it is too dangerous. sun bounces off the dressing on the dash and you can see and end up in the ditch or the rear of someone's car. that malco dressing is great. we use it on vinyl floors in trucks. also works great on bed liners.
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04-18-2006, 10:55 PM	#22
mybluedime Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 40 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Never should you dress the steering wheel, thats crazy,maybe the horn and stuff but never the part you grab i think its better to have a nice clean steering wheel,and there is this stuff called pro shine its in a can its great it protects and shines and it holds it shine if it gets dust on it just rewipe it and its good to go and it dont blind you either!
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04-19-2006, 03:46 PM	#23
bad03xtreme Choosy moms choose Jeff Age: 27 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,118 Location: Manassas, VA User is: Online	Re: It should be illegal... This is what you want to use on your interior (dash, door pannels, etc...) Good stuff and protects from UV rays to help keep color.
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04-19-2006, 04:41 PM	#24
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04-20-2006, 12:19 PM	#25
TnHombre UNBANNED BITCHES!! Age: 33 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,007 Location: fayetteville, TN User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by low97s10 that malco dressing is great. we use it on vinyl floors in trucks. also works great on bed liners.
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04-26-2006, 11:40 PM	#26
LoRollinLS Chivalay Mane Age: 24 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,008 Location: BFE South User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Quote: Originally Posted by DfntPntbll Way to cover your ass man,... atta boy
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05-17-2006, 02:15 PM	#27
chevy power Bagged Age: 21 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,124 Location: Canal Fulton Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: It should be illegal... Malco has some leather conditioner stuff, probbably the best product I have used on leather.
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