haze on my windows that WONT COME OFF

[MotorBreathLT1]

i have this have on my rear hatch (inside) that doesnt want to come off. ive tried windex, rain-x cleaner, ive claybarred and washed it numerous times. i cant used a razor blade or anything on it cuz i have rear defroster. wtf is goin on here? any of you have this? if so how did u get rid of it?

[TnHombre]

try using alcohol.THAN a window cleaner.....meke sure you remove the window cleaner BEFORE the air drys it other wise it wont work . so inotherwords maybee do a 2x2 foot area at a time.
also.......stop smoking in your car! lol

[TnHombre]

thats the key to getting clear windows is when your wiping them dry you cant let the air dry it before you get a chance to dry it with your towel.

[MotorBreathLT1]

i dont smoke, and as far as i know the last owner didnt smoke in it either. every other window comes CRYSTAL clear


so far ive tried plain windex, rain-x cleaner, amonia / water, alcohol, paint cleaner, polish, and now im tyring wax (board member told me to try it).......i even tried a razor blade on a spot that doesnt have defroster on it and even that didnt work

[5timedime]

Invisible Glass comes in a spray can. it's really good glass cleaner, but it sounds like you may have something that cleaning won't fix. are you sure the haze is on the surface of the glass? i know windshields are actually made of 2 layers of glass, and eventually, the tint in the middle of the two layers will haze over, but i'm not sure about hatch glass. worse comes to worse, check on the camaro and firebird forums, maybe it's a common problem

[MotorBreathLT1]

double post

[MotorBreathLT1]

the thought that the plastic layer between the glass had glazed has crossed my mind, and i pray to god thats not the case. id have to replace the ENTIRE rear hatch

it LOOKS like the haze is on the inside (intereor side) of the glass, so i hope it comes off eventualy

[5timedime]

i'll be interested to see what you find

[TnHombre]

take some pics and email them to me @ 931carwash@gmail.com
i own a mobile car wash service and i have been cleaning high end cars for 13 years now
if my first suggestion doesnt work contact me and i can help you get rid of this problem.
and no you wont have to replace the hatch due to layers,etc.....

also is there a chance there was tint on the windows before you got it and its the tint glue?

[dropped1]

worst comes to worst, glass coverage and "a rock flew up and hit your window"

Sounds weird, definatly sounds like there is nicotine build up. but you don't smoke...

[boataddict26]

Would there have been any way armorl could have gotten on it? I have heard that will put a haze on clear things.

[MotorBreathLT1]

the car didnt come with tint from the factory,and ive dealt with aftermarket tint glue b4 and that stuff came off with a razor blade. also as ive stated i dont smoke, and as far as i know the last owner didnt either. also if it makes a difference, this car has been garage kept its entire life so it never sat in the sun for extended periods of time.

im positive w/e this is is ON the glass and not in or between the two layers, u can feel the roughness on it compaired to the outside (meaning extereor) part of the glass which is silky smooth.


here are pictures, ill try to take more tommarow of it in the sun instead of relying on the shitty lights in my garage(if the link doesnt work let me know and ill post tags so theyll show in the thread)

http://community.webshots.com/album/514037234ffHkNY

the first pic is kinda blurry cuz i was moving, but still shows what im dealing with. some are still blurry cuz i couldnt get my cam to focus on the glass so it focused on something in front of or behind the glass. also, the smeared part of the glass is wax (read below for the reason) and the spot in the center of the glass is just where i havent cleaned it yet.


the wax - it seems to work ever so slightly, when viewed at an angle you can see where its a LITTLE more clear, but when you look at the glass straight on it looks the same as the parts that didnt get waxed.


thanks alot for all the help guys! i really appreciate it

[boataddict26]

Damn man!! That shit is real odvious!! I didnt think it was like that. Did this just appear overnight?

[MotorBreathLT1]

Quote: Originally Posted by boataddict26

Damn man!! That shit is real odvious!! I didnt think it was like that. Did this just appear overnight?

nope, its been there sinse i got the car. up untill today i figured it would come off with some TLC so i put it off (mistake #1). now i realize what a bitch this really is. its not THAT noticeable unless the lighting is just right, in which case it just looks dirty and not horribly tarnished; an example is in the pictures themselves, in http://community.webshots.com/photo/...46217929tNfxVa that picture it looks like just that spot is hazey but really its almost the entire hatch. sometimes it looks good and sometimes it looks bad. its all in the lighting

[s10n20s]

Quote: Originally Posted by boataddict26

Damn man!! That shit is real odvious!! I didnt think it was like that. Did this just appear overnight?

i dont think this guy realized that that big smeared swirled section is wax lol

[Detroit Muscle]

You can try goof off or goo gone to clean it off, or even liquid carb cleaner, dont do a big section just a bit at a time.

[TnHombre]

eh i wouldnt use that....it will also leave smear marks....
try using a solution of DISTILLED water, amonia and some window cleaner....should do the trick

[HofinaterSS]

did you try cleaning the outside of the glass?






maybe its clear coat on the outside if your car was in an accident or something

[MotorBreathLT1]

Quote: Originally Posted by HofinaterSS

did you try cleaning the outside of the glass?






maybe its clear coat on the outside if your car was in an accident or something

the outside of the glass is sparkling clean, w/e it is is on the other side of the glass...also the only accident my car was in was a very light fender bender on the front drivers side back in like 99 so there was no painting on the ass end of the car sinse 1994 when it was built.




well i JUST took the wax off (at 1pm......it was on sinse like 3am) and it appears that it helped some. when i whiped it clean with a pad there was noticeable grime on the pad mixed with the wax. im still going to try distilled water and all that, ill get some vinegar and newspaper today and try that (mix vinegar and amonia). if i end up relying on the wax im definatly going to apply wax, leave it on for like 10 hours and repeat about 4 or 5 times lol so im still open to suggestions


once again thank everyone for the input, especially psls10 and greg (s10n20s, gave me the wax idea)



btw im using meguires carnuba wax (all i had on hand atm)------>WAX

[s10n20s]

i rule

[MotorBreathLT1]

ive waxed like 3 times sinse i last posted and its not giving much if any improvement.


psls10, whats distilled water? which window cleaner would you use?

[VT1992S10]

try 0000 brillow(sp), we use this in the detail department to get light defects out of new car windows(ie: overspray) it should not hurt the defroster.

[VT1992S10]

lube the brillow pad with glass cleaner

[TnHombre]

it WILL harm your defroster....dont listen to him lol.......it will remove the top layer.....only do this if LAST RESORT
you can buy distilled water at ANY grocery store..........
use 2 inch amonia, 2 inch glass cleaner and fill 32 ounce bottle the rest of the way up with distilled water....this should get rid of it all

[VT1992S10]

you can go between the defroster lines and it will be fine

[MotorBreathLT1]

Quote: Originally Posted by psls10

it WILL harm your defroster....dont listen to him lol.......it will remove the top layer.....only do this if LAST RESORT
you can buy distilled water at ANY grocery store..........
use 2 inch amonia, 2 inch glass cleaner and fill 32 ounce bottle the rest of the way up with distilled water....this should get rid of it all

lol, i just tried it on an area that doesnt have defroster, and it didnt work. w/e this shit is its stubborn as hell. im asking on the Fbody boards if they had some sort of a heat insulation tint or whatever, im starting to believe the flaw is somehow related to that.

ill try the distilled water thing as well as vinegar. if that doesnt work, ill take a baseball bat to it

[TnHombre]

Quote: Originally Posted by psls10

use 2 inch amonia, 2 inch glass cleaner and fill 32 ounce bottle the rest of the way up with distilled water....this should get rid of it all

Quote: Originally Posted by MotorBreathLT1

lol,if that doesnt work, ill take a baseball bat to it

thatll make the window crystal clear!!

[s10n20s]

theres gotta be a way to replace the window and not the whole hatch

[MotorBreathLT1]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10n20s

theres gotta be a way to replace the window and not the whole hatch

i think thats how it was with my 88, i assume thats how it is with 4th gens but i could be wrong

[TnHombre]

did you solve this problem yet?

[5timedime]

<<<-------- still curious

[TnHombre]

i guess so.....lol

[5timedime]

anything yet?

[TnHombre]

i think he left us and went back to his F-body forums.....lol

[LoDime96]

ive got a back window layin around from a trans-am, dono if they are the same as camaro, but it looks so...its in a hatch too and its red, but its messed up

[5timedime]

Quote: Originally Posted by psls10

i think he left us and went back to his F-body forums.....lol

dam. don't you just hate it when you try to help somebody out and they just leave you hangin?! oh well. . .

[MotorBreathLT1]

sorry guys.


i still havent gotten that crap off yet, w/e it is is there for the long haul lol. ill try the distilled water thing again and pray

[bassguy354]

Try some CLR or similar products. And try the vinegar if you haven't yet. Those things will take a hazy fish tank back to crystal clear.

[MotorBreathLT1]

whats CLR?

[5timedime]

Quote: Originally Posted by MotorBreathLT1

whats CLR?

it's an acronym for calcium, lime, and rust, which are the things it claims to remove easily from bathtubs and such. try to google it, it may come up. they sell it locally in grocery stores and hardware stores, etc.

[S10Wheels]

Sounds strange as hell, but try cleaning glass with Coke or other kinds of soda.- it works!!- no joke!

S10Wheels

[TnHombre]

Quote: Originally Posted by S10Wheels

Sounds strange as hell, but try cleaning glass with Coke or other kinds of soda.- it works!!- no joke!

S10Wheels

i own acarwash and clean cars EVERYDAY..i HATE it when i gotta remove coke off glass!!!

[ChOwen765i]

I have always used some sort of rubbing compound to clear up windows, headlamps etc. Try using a rubbing compound or maybe even shoe polish.