Anyone need deailing help??

BadaSS_Black97 · 09-30-2002, 11:06 PM

If anyone needs any help, or tips with detailing and cleaning, I work @ a detail shop...go ahead and ask me.

lowblk02s10 · 09-30-2002, 11:11 PM

how can i bring depth back into my black paint. it is only abouta few month's old but i still would like to know 4 later on and even 4 now as well. i just don't seam to get it as shinny as all the other black ones i see around.

BadaSS_Black97 · 09-30-2002, 11:26 PM

At the shop I work at, we do a three step process on most cars. A good cut, polish, and wax job would do the trick...If it is fairly new you shouldn't have to do the cut part (wool pad with a rotary buffer if you have one and feel comfortable using it, and compound), but this will take out any surface scratches and smooth out the clearcoat...Then, use a good polish with a foam pad , this will shine it up more...And to finish it off a hand wax job will protect the paint and help it stay clean. If you do a good job there will be no streakiness in the sun...and hand wash your car if you can, automatic car washes are horrible on black paint.

lowblk02s10 · 09-30-2002, 11:29 PM

yea the most i do is hand wash like 4 times a week but i got tons of swilrs and lil scrathes i wash my mitt too than every now and than i take a clean rag and wax it up by hand.

BadaSS_Black97 · 09-30-2002, 11:29 PM

...you can either do all that yourself, or it would cost about 75-100 bux to have a shop do the whole three step process (pricing may be different in your area), then afterwards, probably wax it monthly.

BadAssBowtie · 10-02-2002, 01:34 AM

ok. some guys around here thought it would be a funny practical joke to "test" that black magic car tint sh!t on my entire truck. On the can it says "washes right off". the metal flakes will not come off for anything. i went to a body shop, and the guy that runs it said he would charge me $75 just to do the hood and 2 front quarter panels. i ask about those 3 in particular because their the worst ones. what could i do myself?

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-03-2002, 08:51 PM

What have you tried so far??

relayer · 10-13-2002, 12:51 PM

When you say cut, do you mean stripping the old coat of wax(es)
off?
What type of wax do you prefer& why?
What do you use on the chrome grills?
Have some oxidation on front grill& would like to get my truck back to above average appearance

sonoma350ed · 10-13-2002, 01:59 PM

how can i get 4 years of grease/gook/tire shine/brake dust/dirt off my tires. ive tried just about EVERYTHING

:thanks

Zac · 10-13-2002, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sonoma350ed
how can i get 4 years of grease/gook/tire shine/brake dust/dirt off my tires. ive tried just about EVERYTHING

:thanks

Diluted oven cleaner. They'll come out looking like new. Only problem is, most oven cleaners have lye in them. Lye will discolor and pit aluminum wheels. Be careful around painted surfaces also.

Best to soak a rag in the diluted solution then wipe the tires with some elbow grease. If you get any on your wheels, wipe it off
right away with a clean rag.

Try it at your own risk.

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-13-2002, 02:42 PM

cutting is the process of buffing the paint with a rotary buffer and compound to get the scratches out.
At the shop I work at we use auto magic products. the type of wax depends on what youre doing. If you have cut and polished the paint then you only need regular wax. If you're looking for a one step then use a cleaner wax.
I would try blue magic metal polish on the grill.. I'm not completely sure if it's ok on chrome, I imagine it wouldn't do any harm, but it will remove the oxidation.

I would try a brass wire brush on the tires w/ some degreaser. I would try that way before trying oven cleaner.

sonoma350ed · 10-13-2002, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zac

Diluted oven cleaner. They'll come out looking like new. Only problem is, most oven cleaners have lye in them. Lye will discolor and pit aluminum wheels. Be careful around painted surfaces also.

Best to soak a rag in the diluted solution then wipe the tires with some elbow grease. If you get any on your wheels, wipe it off
right away with a clean rag.

Try it at your own risk.

:ugh: the rims are polished aluminum AND painted:cry:

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-13-2002, 03:11 PM

...Wire brush and degreaser...Try it.

sonoma350ed · 10-13-2002, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 98greenmachine
...Wire brush and degreaser...Try it.

im gonna, when it stops raining. what kinda degreaser? like engine degreaser? ive tried everything including simple green concentrate STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE. thanks for the help, ill let ya know the outcome:thmbup:

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-13-2002, 03:57 PM

the stuff we use is this alkaline base degreaser...It's auto magic "red hot". I think it is an engine degreaser.

dosta_customz · 10-13-2002, 11:33 PM

What's the best way to detail the engine on a 98 2.2 Also, what needs to be covered as so not to get wet?

LowTech · 10-22-2002, 01:04 PM

Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Plains,PA
Posts: More than 1

Angry Hazy Crazy rims won't shine

I have a set of Colorado Customs rims and they are looking somewhat dull and hazed up. Quite possibly this happened after they came back from the shop where I had my body work done. There was quite a bit of crap on them...grrrr.

Anyhow....I need some suggestions....someone said have them wet sanded...i dont' know about that. Where can I go and what can I say to get these blings blinging again.

Thanks

sicky00 · 10-22-2002, 01:16 PM

sonoma350ed, just use some simplegreen, should do the trick. Always works on the cars I detail here. 98greenmachine, how long you been detailing? I believe the guy I get all my products from is in oregon.

Zac · 10-22-2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LowTech
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Plains,PA
Posts: More than 1

Angry Hazy Crazy rims won't shine

I have a set of Colorado Customs rims and they are looking somewhat dull and hazed up. Quite possibly this happened after they came back from the shop where I had my body work done. There was quite a bit of crap on them...grrrr.

Anyhow....I need some suggestions....someone said have them wet sanded...i dont' know about that. Where can I go and what can I say to get these blings blinging again.

Thanks

If you want those babies to shine like new again try a product called Etreme Metal Polish. It's made for polishing wheels. It's takes a little elbow grease, time, and lots of rags, but it works wonders.

Clean S.X. · 10-23-2002, 09:58 PM

hey green , how 'bout when wax gets in those rough black plastic parts, like the door handles and bedliner edges and leav white stains? (I've gotten rid of them, but they come back!)

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-24-2002, 12:52 AM

Clean S.X., There's some stuff called new car solvent we use, works really well on removing lots of stuff, but definitely removes the wax from the black parts. If you can't get a hold of that stuff, then gasoline would work.

BadaSS_Black97 · 10-24-2002, 12:57 AM

For the wheels, Blue Magic or that extreme metal polish should do the trick. I wouldn't wet sand the polished rims unless you wanted the hazed look or a subdued look.

Psychobrick · 10-25-2002, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clean S.X.
hey green , how 'bout when wax gets in those rough black plastic parts, like the door handles and bedliner edges and leav white stains? (I've gotten rid of them, but they come back!)

there's a really simple way to remove that wax from black plastic trim...Peanut butter...just spread in on the area with the wax on it, then brush it in with an old toothbrush or the like, and wash it off....works wonders...

stock02s10 · 11-24-2002, 11:00 PM

I've seen a lot of people with black vehicles and they always seem to have that nice wet looking sine to them. Ive tried some wet wax but eagle one but it doesnt seem to give me that wet look. DOes anyone know what kind of wax would give me that look?

Clean S.X. · 12-01-2002, 02:40 AM

hey green, one more thing.

The best way to clean tonneau covers?
Mine has like some fine dust stains engraved between them "leather" grooves.

I tried a soft brush with car wash soap on it. no luck

P.S. Stock02, that AV looks painful

the buddman · 12-29-2002, 02:05 PM

www.zainobros.com

zaino ownz me......best out there by far........great for black cars...really gets it deep and gets rid of almost all the swirl marks......i know people that wont even try anything else but zaino.......

the buddman · 12-29-2002, 02:06 PM

oh and BTW....zaino is a polish not a wax.......

xtreme101 · 01-06-2003, 05:29 PM

My trucks Indigo blue, and theres some pretty bad swil marks and paints circles, and scratches in it. You cant tell, unless its in direct sunlight, but I think it looks so bad, it kills me. Ive waxed and it didnt help, someone recommended Zymol, but the weathers been so bad I havent had a chance. If that doesnt work, what can I do? Thanks

Indigo Xtreme · 01-06-2003, 08:36 PM

Zymol works, I just used it on my indigo blue X, took some swirls right away with minimum work.....

xtreme101 · 01-07-2003, 12:13 PM

Did it get all of them out? I hope I can, because I was thinking about painting my truck another color, just to get rid of the swirls. If I dont have to do that, Ill get my rims a lot sooner.

Indigo Xtreme · 01-07-2003, 12:27 PM

It got all I had out. Mine were pretty bad, and you can't see them anymore. So it worked for me.......

lowblk02s10 · 01-07-2003, 03:49 PM

xtreme101 try buffin it out w/ a rag or sometype of terrycloth towel or something it will rub it down and in and take away the swirls in the dark paint. thats what i do i got a 10" buffer and i wax pollish than buff and if the sunlight there are no swirls just reflections.

ExtremeT · 02-03-2003, 06:36 AM

what do you guys use on your wheels to clean out the nooks and tight spots?

im getting some buildup in these areas

SLAMnoma95 · 02-22-2003, 04:41 AM

How do you get brake dust pitting off of chrome rims? Any good polishes? I got some compound im trying tomorrow but i wanted to know your opinions.

blkyellow03X · 02-25-2003, 05:04 AM

If you want a wet glossy loof on a black truck get Zaino it is amazing stuff.It is the only stuff I will use.The more you put on the deeper it gets.Only need like 2 dime size drops dor the hood and so on.My opinion try Zaino you won't be dissapointed.

09-30-2002, 11:06 PM	#1
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	Anyone need deailing help?? If anyone needs any help, or tips with detailing and cleaning, I work @ a detail shop...go ahead and ask me.
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09-30-2002, 11:11 PM	#2
lowblk02s10 kaught yah sleapin racing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 473 Location: winslow(atco) nj User is: OffLine	how can i bring depth back into my black paint. it is only abouta few month's old but i still would like to know 4 later on and even 4 now as well. i just don't seam to get it as shinny as all the other black ones i see around.
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09-30-2002, 11:26 PM	#3
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	At the shop I work at, we do a three step process on most cars. A good cut, polish, and wax job would do the trick...If it is fairly new you shouldn't have to do the cut part (wool pad with a rotary buffer if you have one and feel comfortable using it, and compound), but this will take out any surface scratches and smooth out the clearcoat...Then, use a good polish with a foam pad , this will shine it up more...And to finish it off a hand wax job will protect the paint and help it stay clean. If you do a good job there will be no streakiness in the sun...and hand wash your car if you can, automatic car washes are horrible on black paint.
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09-30-2002, 11:29 PM	#4
lowblk02s10 kaught yah sleapin racing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 473 Location: winslow(atco) nj User is: OffLine	yea the most i do is hand wash like 4 times a week but i got tons of swilrs and lil scrathes i wash my mitt too than every now and than i take a clean rag and wax it up by hand.
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09-30-2002, 11:29 PM	#5
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	...you can either do all that yourself, or it would cost about 75-100 bux to have a shop do the whole three step process (pricing may be different in your area), then afterwards, probably wax it monthly.
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10-02-2002, 01:34 AM	#6
BadAssBowtie Registered User Age: 27 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 493 Location: Aiken, South Carolina User is: OffLine	ok. some guys around here thought it would be a funny practical joke to "test" that black magic car tint sh!t on my entire truck. On the can it says "washes right off". the metal flakes will not come off for anything. i went to a body shop, and the guy that runs it said he would charge me $75 just to do the hood and 2 front quarter panels. i ask about those 3 in particular because their the worst ones. what could i do myself?
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10-03-2002, 08:51 PM	#7
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	What have you tried so far??
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10-13-2002, 12:51 PM	#8
relayer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1 Location: B'HAM User is: OffLine	When you say cut, do you mean stripping the old coat of wax(es) off? What type of wax do you prefer& why? What do you use on the chrome grills? Have some oxidation on front grill& would like to get my truck back to above average appearance
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10-13-2002, 01:59 PM	#9
sonoma350ed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 596 Location: User is: OffLine	how can i get 4 years of grease/gook/tire shine/brake dust/dirt off my tires. ive tried just about EVERYTHING :thanks
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10-13-2002, 02:10 PM	#10
Zac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 449 Location: Cranbrook, B.C. User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by sonoma350ed how can i get 4 years of grease/gook/tire shine/brake dust/dirt off my tires. ive tried just about EVERYTHING :thanks Diluted oven cleaner. They'll come out looking like new. Only problem is, most oven cleaners have lye in them. Lye will discolor and pit aluminum wheels. Be careful around painted surfaces also. Best to soak a rag in the diluted solution then wipe the tires with some elbow grease. If you get any on your wheels, wipe it off right away with a clean rag. Try it at your own risk.
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10-13-2002, 02:42 PM	#11
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	cutting is the process of buffing the paint with a rotary buffer and compound to get the scratches out. At the shop I work at we use auto magic products. the type of wax depends on what youre doing. If you have cut and polished the paint then you only need regular wax. If you're looking for a one step then use a cleaner wax. I would try blue magic metal polish on the grill.. I'm not completely sure if it's ok on chrome, I imagine it wouldn't do any harm, but it will remove the oxidation. I would try a brass wire brush on the tires w/ some degreaser. I would try that way before trying oven cleaner.
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10-13-2002, 03:05 PM	#12
sonoma350ed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 596 Location: User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by Zac Diluted oven cleaner. They'll come out looking like new. Only problem is, most oven cleaners have lye in them. Lye will discolor and pit aluminum wheels. Be careful around painted surfaces also. Best to soak a rag in the diluted solution then wipe the tires with some elbow grease. If you get any on your wheels, wipe it off right away with a clean rag. Try it at your own risk. :ugh: the rims are polished aluminum AND painted:cry:
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10-13-2002, 03:11 PM	#13
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	...Wire brush and degreaser...Try it.
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10-13-2002, 03:47 PM	#14
sonoma350ed Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 596 Location: User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by 98greenmachine ...Wire brush and degreaser...Try it. im gonna, when it stops raining. what kinda degreaser? like engine degreaser? ive tried everything including simple green concentrate STRAIGHT FROM THE BOTTLE. thanks for the help, ill let ya know the outcome:thmbup:
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10-13-2002, 03:57 PM	#15
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	the stuff we use is this alkaline base degreaser...It's auto magic "red hot". I think it is an engine degreaser.
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10-13-2002, 11:33 PM	#16
dosta_customz Registered User Age: 29 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 166 Location: Valdosta, GA User is: OffLine	What's the best way to detail the engine on a 98 2.2 Also, what needs to be covered as so not to get wet?
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10-22-2002, 01:04 PM	#17
LowTech True Ambition Age: 32 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,531 Location: Plains,PA User is: OffLine	rim haze Registered: Jan 2002 Location: Plains,PA Posts: More than 1 Angry Hazy Crazy rims won't shine I have a set of Colorado Customs rims and they are looking somewhat dull and hazed up. Quite possibly this happened after they came back from the shop where I had my body work done. There was quite a bit of crap on them...grrrr. Anyhow....I need some suggestions....someone said have them wet sanded...i dont' know about that. Where can I go and what can I say to get these blings blinging again. Thanks
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10-22-2002, 01:16 PM	#18
sicky00 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 483 Location: Las Vegas User is: OffLine	sonoma350ed, just use some simplegreen, should do the trick. Always works on the cars I detail here. 98greenmachine, how long you been detailing? I believe the guy I get all my products from is in oregon.
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10-22-2002, 11:24 PM	#19
Zac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 449 Location: Cranbrook, B.C. User is: OffLine	Re: rim haze Quote: Originally posted by LowTech Registered: Jan 2002 Location: Plains,PA Posts: More than 1 Angry Hazy Crazy rims won't shine I have a set of Colorado Customs rims and they are looking somewhat dull and hazed up. Quite possibly this happened after they came back from the shop where I had my body work done. There was quite a bit of crap on them...grrrr. Anyhow....I need some suggestions....someone said have them wet sanded...i dont' know about that. Where can I go and what can I say to get these blings blinging again. Thanks If you want those babies to shine like new again try a product called Etreme Metal Polish. It's made for polishing wheels. It's takes a little elbow grease, time, and lots of rags, but it works wonders.
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10-23-2002, 09:58 PM	#20
Clean S.X. Tranzaddict Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 86 Location: Guaynabo User is: OffLine	hey green , how 'bout when wax gets in those rough black plastic parts, like the door handles and bedliner edges and leav white stains? (I've gotten rid of them, but they come back!)
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10-24-2002, 12:52 AM	#21
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	Clean S.X., There's some stuff called new car solvent we use, works really well on removing lots of stuff, but definitely removes the wax from the black parts. If you can't get a hold of that stuff, then gasoline would work.
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10-24-2002, 12:57 AM	#22
BadaSS_Black97 Weeeeeee Age: 26 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,512 Location: Beaverton, Oregon User is: OffLine	For the wheels, Blue Magic or that extreme metal polish should do the trick. I wouldn't wet sand the polished rims unless you wanted the hazed look or a subdued look.
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10-25-2002, 06:12 PM	#23
Psychobrick Dain Bramaged Member Age: 30 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,606 Location: Fort Wayne, IN User is: OffLine	Quote: Originally posted by Clean S.X. hey green , how 'bout when wax gets in those rough black plastic parts, like the door handles and bedliner edges and leav white stains? (I've gotten rid of them, but they come back!) there's a really simple way to remove that wax from black plastic trim...Peanut butter...just spread in on the area with the wax on it, then brush it in with an old toothbrush or the like, and wash it off....works wonders...
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11-24-2002, 11:00 PM	#24
stock02s10 Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136 Location: a lil town outside of new orleans User is: OffLine	I've seen a lot of people with black vehicles and they always seem to have that nice wet looking sine to them. Ive tried some wet wax but eagle one but it doesnt seem to give me that wet look. DOes anyone know what kind of wax would give me that look?
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12-01-2002, 02:40 AM	#25
Clean S.X. Tranzaddict Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 86 Location: Guaynabo User is: OffLine	hey green, one more thing. The best way to clean tonneau covers? Mine has like some fine dust stains engraved between them "leather" grooves. I tried a soft brush with car wash soap on it. no luck P.S. Stock02, that AV looks painful
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12-29-2002, 02:05 PM	#26
the buddman Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 458 Location: Eglin AFB, FL User is: OffLine	www.zainobros.com zaino ownz me......best out there by far........great for black cars...really gets it deep and gets rid of almost all the swirl marks......i know people that wont even try anything else but zaino.......
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12-29-2002, 02:06 PM	#27
the buddman Registered User Age: 24 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 458 Location: Eglin AFB, FL User is: OffLine	oh and BTW....zaino is a polish not a wax.......
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01-06-2003, 05:29 PM	#28
xtreme101 Gettin' Lucky In Kentucky Age: 23 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,165 Location: KY User is: OffLine	My trucks Indigo blue, and theres some pretty bad swil marks and paints circles, and scratches in it. You cant tell, unless its in direct sunlight, but I think it looks so bad, it kills me. Ive waxed and it didnt help, someone recommended Zymol, but the weathers been so bad I havent had a chance. If that doesnt work, what can I do? Thanks
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01-06-2003, 08:36 PM	#29
Indigo Xtreme 1st Texas Heat Wave 2003 Age: 29 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 337 Location: Pontotoc, MS User is: OffLine	Zymol works, I just used it on my indigo blue X, took some swirls right away with minimum work.....
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01-07-2003, 12:13 PM	#30
xtreme101 Gettin' Lucky In Kentucky Age: 23 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,165 Location: KY User is: OffLine	Did it get all of them out? I hope I can, because I was thinking about painting my truck another color, just to get rid of the swirls. If I dont have to do that, Ill get my rims a lot sooner.
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01-07-2003, 12:27 PM	#31
Indigo Xtreme 1st Texas Heat Wave 2003 Age: 29 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 337 Location: Pontotoc, MS User is: OffLine	It got all I had out. Mine were pretty bad, and you can't see them anymore. So it worked for me.......
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01-07-2003, 03:49 PM	#32
lowblk02s10 kaught yah sleapin racing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 473 Location: winslow(atco) nj User is: OffLine	xtreme101 try buffin it out w/ a rag or sometype of terrycloth towel or something it will rub it down and in and take away the swirls in the dark paint. thats what i do i got a 10" buffer and i wax pollish than buff and if the sunlight there are no swirls just reflections.
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02-03-2003, 06:36 AM	#33
ExtremeT spinnin Shysters Age: 29 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23 Location: just moved to the big town of prosper, tx User is: OffLine	what do you guys use on your wheels to clean out the nooks and tight spots? im getting some buildup in these areas
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02-22-2003, 04:41 AM	#34
SLAMnoma95 SK= Midwest's Elite Age: 22 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,907 Location: Detroit User is: OffLine	How do you get brake dust pitting off of chrome rims? Any good polishes? I got some compound im trying tomorrow but i wanted to know your opinions.
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02-25-2003, 05:04 AM	#35
blkyellow03X Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,149 Location: GA User is: OffLine	ZAINO If you want a wet glossy loof on a black truck get Zaino it is amazing stuff.It is the only stuff I will use.The more you put on the deeper it gets.Only need like 2 dime size drops dor the hood and so on.My opinion try Zaino you won't be dissapointed.
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