Project projector... (HID)

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by arctic25

Anyways, got a question for you or anyone. I dont know if you might have seen the new land rover tailights w/ the red center and amber halo for the turn signal ( at least from what I can remeber, its been awhlie). You guys think it would look dumb as hell to do the same thing with the round euro tailights for s10's, in either red or amber?later
cj

I think using the amber halo on a round tail light would look good, the only problem is there aren't any good looking round tail light housings for our trucks. They have the 3d's but I never really liked them. But if you do, give it a shot.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Bravada

here are some pics from scomps stuff on hidplanet.com, i'll post some pics when i have mine hooked up, i hope you don't mind scomp.....

Those look good. I'm sure your anxious to get them on there.

[Mr Bravada]

hell yea, i am just itchin... now i just need the s10 front end......

[Mr Bravada]

and some ballasts.....

[Mr Bravada]

oh yea and bulbs and a wiring harness....lol

[bristol16]

i would talk to the guys at hidplanet.com for that stuff cause they have a great sale going on now. you could even just buy a complete package and resell the stuff that you don't need. i am planning on ordering their full Bosch kit when i get home Sunday night, now i just have to decide whether or not i will attempt a GMC Jimmy retro fit or whether i want to switch to the S10 halo setup to make my life a little easier.

[propagandaotter]

Wow, I don't get out much.

I'm otter from blazinlow, did pretty much the same setup you did, only difference is I used springs instead of washers. And while I had my assembly all opened up I painted it black.

I'm currently looking into an envoy front end because the cutoff is great, but it sucks when you drive down really hilly roads every morning to goto work. Plus I don't want to even mess with an auto-leveling system retro. I'll try to get some decent pictures, but my camera is a cruddy 25 dollar wal-mart digi.

[Mr Bravada]

hey what up otter? i was wondering when you were gonna make your appearence here on this thread... oh yea for the record i am ordering the rest of my stuff from hidplanet.com... so no worries there, i just need that damn front end! lol, oh well... i hope that by mid december when i pay my parents off the 2k that i owe them that i can get this done quickly

[propagandaotter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Bravada

hey what up otter? i was wondering when you were gonna make your appearence here on this thread... oh yea for the record i am ordering the rest of my stuff from hidplanet.com... so no worries there, i just need that damn front end! lol, oh well... i hope that by mid december when i pay my parents off the 2k that i owe them that i can get this done quickly

I want to do soemthing different with my front end, but I'm not sure what. I've been thinking of going with an envoy front end, but I'm just not sure I want to follow in everybody elses footsteps.

[zq8fromhell]

wow, great job on those projectors. i THINK, say THINK i was the first person on here to put projectors in a 94-97 sonoma headlight, but who knows. I was actually a prototype design engineer at Grote Industries this summer, dealt alot with HIDS and the method behind the madness. All I can say is with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, i can tell you that tolerances MATTER. one 32nd of an inch makes a HUGE difference...just throwin that out there, also NEVER ignite your burners with them pointing vertical, youll mess them up and dramatically decrease the life of the burner... im attaching a few old school pics of the sonoma conversion, and the projector conversion i did on my 69 cutlass... feel free to ask me any questions if you want to know the truth behind millions of dollars of research i just so happened to have access to :-D

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by zq8fromhell

wow, great job on those projectors. i THINK, say THINK i was the first person on here to put projectors in a 94-97 sonoma headlight, but who knows. I was actually a prototype design engineer at Grote Industries this summer, dealt alot with HIDS and the method behind the madness. All I can say is with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, i can tell you that tolerances MATTER. one 32nd of an inch makes a HUGE difference...just throwin that out there, also NEVER ignite your burners with them pointing vertical, youll mess them up and dramatically decrease the life of the burner... im attaching a few old school pics of the sonoma conversion, and the projector conversion i did on my 69 cutlass... feel free to ask me any questions if you want to know the truth behind millions of dollars of research i just so happened to have access to :-D

Cool man, thats good to know about the bulbs. How did you do the housings on the Cutlass?

[zq8fromhell]

well with the cutlass they are 5 and 3/4 lenses....so I took clear lenses off of off road lights(glass ones) and used the parking lamp housing off a perterbilt truck rig, and used a lathe to mill the center of the housing out to the diameter of the projector... I also used halogen projectors and calculated the correct focal length, milled the housing, and mounted my DIHC sylvania burners in that...the halogen will make the HID shimmer more, which i like...ill have to get some pictures....took me about 2 days of work for the cutlass conversion, oh so easy!

[MoneyMike]

i want hids, but i really dont wanna have to get the projector headlights.......(i dont like how the lens has a nipple on it)

if i get this kit Valeo Xenon HID Projector Package from the hidplanet.com and i dont put the projector in the factory headlight what would happen?

could i get the projector into the factory headlight ?????

[zq8fromhell]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

i want hids, but i really dont wanna have to get the projector headlights.......(i dont like how the lens has a nipple on it)

if i get this kit Valeo Xenon HID Projector Package from the hidplanet.com and i dont put the projector in the factory headlight what would happen?

could i get the projector into the factory headlight ?????

No, no way. Theres no light control with a halogen style lamp. The projector is basically a easy way to allow easy installation of a controlling factor for the HID...if you get what im saying, im not all here tonite (thanks mgd :-D ) . The halogen lamps focuses light in different areas due to the less lumens that are put out by a halogen bulb. You probably dont want to hear all the reasons, but no, dont shove an HID in a halogen lamp

[MoneyMike]

Quote: Originally Posted by zq8fromhell

No, no way. Theres no light control with a halogen style lamp. The projector is basically a easy way to allow easy installation of a controlling factor the HID...if you get what im saying. The halogen lamps focuses light in different areas due to the less lumens that are put out by a halogen bulb. You probably dont want to hear all the reasons, but no, dont shove an HID in a halogen lamp

gotcha......so could i "retro fit" the projector in the stock head light or still no....

[zq8fromhell]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

gotcha......so could i "retro fit" the projector in the stock head light or still no....

oh yes and they would look hella bad, did you see my "17 yr olds" attempt at the sonoma conversion? i never had one problem with those, the two pictures are above

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

i want hids, but i really dont wanna have to get the projector headlights.......(i dont like how the lens has a nipple on it)

if i get this kit Valeo Xenon HID Projector Package from the hidplanet.com and i dont put the projector in the factory headlight what would happen?

could i get the projector into the factory headlight ?????

You can fit it in the factory headlight, but you'll have to cut some holes in your core support so that the back of the housing will clear. Having the nipple on the lense allowed me just enough room to move the projector forward so that I didn't have to cut into the core support. Or you could try and find a projector with smaller dimensions then a Valeo.

The ridges on the factory lenses might mess up the lighting with a projector. You may have to get clear lenses from a set of TYC headlights. "Zq8fromhell", do you know how the factory lenses would affect it?

[zq8fromhell]

oh by the way s10cyncrvr... your truck is absolutely sick....so so clean!

[MoneyMike]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10cyncrvr

You can fit it in the factory headlight, but you'll have to cut some holes in your core support so that the back of the housing will clear. Having the nipple on the lense allowed me just enough room to move the projector forward so that I didn't have to cut into the core support. Or you could try and find a projector with smaller dimensions then a Valeo.

The ridges on the factory lenses might mess up the lighting with a projector. You may have to get clear lenses from a set of TYC headlights. "Zq8fromhell", do you know how the factory lenses would affect it?

yea im gonna get the clear lights from like FBI.........

lol ill cut the hell out of the core support im not scared......

[zq8fromhell]

Quote: Originally Posted by s10cyncrvr

You can fit it in the factory headlight, but you'll have to cut some holes in your core support so that the back of the housing will clear. Having the nipple on the lense allowed me just enough room to move the projector forward so that I didn't have to cut into the core support. Or you could try and find a projector with smaller dimensions then a Valeo.

The ridges on the factory lenses might mess up the lighting with a projector. You may have to get clear lenses from a set of TYC headlights. "Zq8fromhell", do you know how the factory lenses would affect it?

call me brandon if ya want , i know old school kid gay screename,,,,anyways, yes the lens on a stock light contains what you see to be known as pillow optics...so simple as refraction. This will affect the output to the extent that they will be illegal by technical standards quite a bit, and wont be noticable after all that work ( a real shame!) The light is all gathered in an infinitesimly small point at the peak of a projector lens. The light is then dispersed from that point in a hemispherical shape on the ground in front. quite ingenious. You can defeat the pillow optics by doing what I did, by protruding the projector physically through the lens. Not the CLEANEST of all installs, but there was absolutely zero options for the headlights i had. Secondly, you could also do some excellent sanding such as s10cyncrvr did, and make the lens completely clear ( which would make me just want to buy the projector lights for the lens themselves). Umm I think that answers your question?

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by zq8fromhell

call me brandon if ya want , i know old school kid gay screename,,,,anyways, yes the lens on a stock light contains what you see to be known as pillow optics...so simple as refraction. This will affect the output to the extent that they will be illegal by technical standards quite a bit, and wont be noticable after all that work ( a real shame!) The light is all gathered in an infinitesimly small point at the peak of a projector lens. The light is then dispersed from that point in a hemispherical shape on the ground in front. quite ingenious. You can defeat the pillow optics by doing what I did, by protruding the projector physically through the lens. Not the CLEANEST of all installs, but there was absolutely zero options for the headlights i had. Secondly, you could also do some excellent sanding such as s10cyncrvr did, and make the lens completely clear ( which would make me just want to buy the projector lights for the lens themselves). Umm I think that answers your question?

Yes it did, thanks. Thanks for the compliment above as well.

[zq8fromhell]

no problem, im sure you get it all the time

[MoneyMike]

im talking about these http://www.fbimini.com/product.asp?a...icks&idno=5165

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

im talking about these http://www.fbimini.com/product.asp?a...icks&idno=5165

Yes, those will work. Depending on where those lines run, you may have to sand them down, but thats a quick process.

[MoneyMike]

sweet deal.....what kit do you suggest for it? valeo?

[s10cyncrvr]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

sweet deal.....what kit do you suggest for it? valeo?

I've bought the Valeo kit and the Bosch kit from them. The Valeo's were my lowbeams and the Bosch's are the ones in the yellow pics(they will come with a white 4100k bulb) They are having a sale on the Bosch kit so it's quite a savings. Here is a thread comparing the two...

http://hidplanet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11588

They also carry Bi-xexon, if you want to have an HID high beam as well. The way this works is it uses a projector with a cut-off shield for the low-beam, but when you flip your highs on the shield will motorize out of the way and you'll get light above the cut-off line. These projectors are usually a bit bigger and a little more complicated to mount and wire. You'll have to e-mail them for availability on the bi-xexon's.

All of these are nice middle of the road projectors. I'd probably go with the Bosch, simply because its cheaper and has a wider spread then the Valeos. It also has a better fastening system for the bulb. It is a little longer, but if your going to cut the core support then that doesn't matter.

If you are wanting a real "pretty" light and are willing to swap projector lenses and do cut-off shield mods, then the Valeos would be better. If your going to keep them unmodded like I did, Bosch's are perfectly fine.

[MoneyMike]

thanks man! ill keep yall updated

[zq8fromhell]

hey i got a few quick crappy pictures of my old school conversion...i forgot how much i liked them

[zq8fromhell]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

im talking about these http://www.fbimini.com/product.asp?a...icks&idno=5165

Yes, s10cyncrvr is correct. Depending on where those lines fall, they could pose a problem... Heres some quick facts, and please keep in mind, im only trying to help you guys out from the technical end of things, im not trying to be an ass, just merely provide information that the public doesnt have access to.

Standard halogen lamp outputs approximately 1100 lumens of light give or take a hundred.

HID's produce a raw 3200 lumens. Thats where you hear about "three times as much light" stuff. Now heres the kicker, we design these HID lamps to PUT OUT approximately 1500 lumens. yes thats right, we throw half the light away with sheilds, covers, etc...

Believe it or not, if you can recall a late 90's malibu headlamp, it has these same style lines within the outer lens. Some of our test concluded that these minuscule little bastards could suck up to 200 lumens off the road. If my math is right, that means the standard halogen lamp was chumped out of 18% of your light.

BUT if you put a projector in this housing behind the lens you are only going to lose approximately 13% of your light. Not as bad, prolly wont even notice it. Now, you CANT put a burner directly into this housing. Why? No heatsink, and incorrect position of the burner within the lamp. Take a 9006 which would go in that low beam and hold it up, base to base with a HID burner, the filament of the bulb and the gas chamber of the HID are approximately .25 inches apart. U try and do that, and a lighter would work better for lighting the road

Light shields, dimensions, and relflective angles will be totally wrong. I really like s10cyncrvrs idea about mocking up an HID reflector ( lights in the headlight industry are either pillow/ reflector /or reflux optics )on the back of the housing, that would work, if you could get everything to line up level etc.

I however just saw my new toy the other day:

So to condense, a projector IMO looks better, and is soooo much easier than any other style of HID to install.

[zq8fromhell]

heres those ballast pictures: