The New Firearm Thread

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by nightrider05

Great info so far! Nice to see other firearm freaks! Right now I only have a few guns, but am looking to purchase a pistol as soon as I figure out exactly what I want. My list of firearms I have is as follows:

Remington 870 Police Magnum
Baretta CX4 Storm 9mm-Extremely fun gun and very tactical
Remington .17 HMR Rifle- Fun target gun but rounds are expensive

We had a rental one of these at the Shop Range I used to work at. It was fun to shoot. Its kinda tactical, in its looks and its hidden rail is kinda funny. But sadly I dont know of much adoption in the Police world. I think they look badass as an SBR. "with all proper paperwork of course". I have seen one done and it looked awesome.

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by not_possible

yea i like em, to date i haven't had one problem with em. have u tried federal hydra shocks...if so how u like em? i thought about gettin a box, but just went with the speer. on a side note, i got 50rds of pmc bronze...i've never tried it before. when i was doin the transfer for the beretta i went to the one gun store here in town for the first time and he said the fee would be 30 and i was bustin his balls tellin him i could have done it for $20 at the place i usually go and he said well how bout if i give you 50rds and he gave me the pmc.

Not a big fan of Hydrashocks, they have become n out dated bullet. I would really reccomend some WINCHESTER ranger SXT 9mm 127GR #RA9TA.

Its a hollow point that can shoot through Spectra style BP vests, punches through doors and windows nicely, and itsnt that expensive. Its legal too. I have 2 boxes just for my UZI carbine

[nater006]

I actually have a set of the low recoil (165 gr i think) SXT's for my .45ACP. The Hydra-shoks have served me well. While they seem to be the defacto standard hollowpoint that is chosen nowadays, I don't think of them as obsolete in the least. To each their own, though.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test...-230hs-g30.htm

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

I actually have a set of the low recoil (165 gr i think) SXT's for my .45ACP. The Hydra-shoks have served me well. While they seem to be the defacto standard hollowpoint that is chosen nowadays, I don't think of them as obsolete in the least. To each their own, though.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/test...-230hs-g30.htm

Hmmm, BARE gel shot only, Back at the range we did some tests with a few bullets and NOT into bare gel. As people are not made of gel they have hard bones and cartalige in the way. We tested dripping wet phonebooks covered in old jackets. the bollets wernt that pretty when done and the hydra Shock did OK but not great. The SXT did the best, The winchester Silvertip did great too. These were all in 40. (note the only caliber the Silvertip seems to be good in are 40SW/10mm. Every other caliber was pathetic). The Corbon pwrball did excellant.

[nater006]

.... sigh. AND denim covered gel shots... if you actually read the content in that link. There's nothing wrong with Hydra-shok, and it's not really an "outdated design" as you state. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure there are other equally good and possibly better rounds, but there's really nothing wrong with it.

Phone books don't really do a whole lot except stop the round so it is retrievable. Shooting into a Yellow Pages and shooting into a body are COMPLETELY different. There is bullet penetration and there is practical bullet penetration. Shooting phone books doesn't prove a whole heck of a lot since you're looking at quite different material properties than a human.

Anyway, I'm done... this discussion has been apples to oranges comparisons and it's not worth it for me to discuss anymore.

[XDime01]

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Why a .40 for home defense? Up close, a good ammo selection on a .45 can give better stopping power. Over a distance, the .40 excels with delivery due to generally higher muzzle velocities.

Then there's the kick factor. The .40 always feels like a bit sharper kick to me, using standard ammo.

Anyway, just my $.02. I tend to buy stuff for the application and have done a bit o' research on it. Of course, a lot is preference... but the numbers are very important also.

I am going with .40 beacuse of the ballistics (greater penetration but not too much, and good energy) not to mention .45 costs more on both ends guns and ammo.

Anyone know when Block is finally going to redesign their guns?

[nater006]

Quote: Originally Posted by XDime01

I am going with .40 beacuse of the ballistics (greater penetration but not too much, and good energy) not to mention .45 costs more on both ends guns and ammo.

Anyone know when Block is finally going to redesign their guns?

They probably haven't been redesigned because they're near impossible to beat for reliability... Everybody using 'em would take reliability over beauty anyday..

The .40 does not necessary have greater penetration.

I'd urge folks to look at some real world tests, here:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/45acp.htm
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/40s&w.htm

You'll notice a broad range of differences in penetration and expansion. The best penetrating rounds don't tend to expand nearly as much.

My belief is that there is a very practical depth of bullet penetration. As long as it does not go clean through somebody, the entire ft/lb strength of the round is impacting the person which is really what you want - combined with a decent depth of penetration. Hence the reason that .380 tends to be a better choice than a .38 Special. Less power delivery, but chances are that that the actual power received is much better since the round runs a far lower risk of passing through somebody. Same reason that shooting at phone books doesn't give a lot of insight, save for letting you retrieve the rounds.

Is the .45 ACP shell really that much more expensive? I haven't shopped for .40 S&W in a while but last I knew, there was a very minor premium on shooting .45 ACP rounds.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a cheerleader for .45 ACP rounds... I have nothing against the .40 S&W. I just don't think it's as preferable as the .45 for defense but that's just me.

[XDime01]

You should also check out http://theboxotruth.com/ there is alot of good info there.

*edit* is it just me or do you see that those reports are almost 10 years old?

[redteamgo2000]

heres my primary carry gun. it's a ruger p944dc in .40 s&w. i bought this gun for a large discount as the gun store had ordered it for a man who shot 10 rds. through it and didn't like it. i bought it as soon as i saw it. awesome gun shoots great. im getting ready to assemble my ar-15 that i've been buying parts here and there for. i've always wanted on so it's about time to put it together. pics to come.

[GETNLWR]

While a stack of phone books may not bne of the a person, when you lay them out =||=||=|| you force the bullet to go through some harder areas such as the spine of the book. we felt that to be closer to duplicating a human body VS a box of gel, the Gel is only really there to show "temp wound cavety" and depth of penetration.

[442typhoondude]

I'd like to see Glock apply the G21SF treatment to all of their full sizes. If I point shot a fullsize Glock at 50 yards I'd be knocking down birds , and the G21SF is just about right.

Anyone here own a SIG 220 Carry? I've been wanting a non 1911 4" 45ACP lately, and they seem to be about the only game in town.

[BlazerPimp]

Quote: Originally Posted by not_possible

yea i like em, to date i haven't had one problem with em. have u tried federal hydra shocks...if so how u like em? i thought about gettin a box, but just went with the speer. on a side note, i got 50rds of pmc bronze...i've never tried it before. when i was doin the transfer for the beretta i went to the one gun store here in town for the first time and he said the fee would be 30 and i was bustin his balls tellin him i could have done it for $20 at the place i usually go and he said well how bout if i give you 50rds and he gave me the pmc.

I have the Federal Hydra shocks for my Colt delta elite 10mm the damn things are spendy though, i keep them in my range bag when i go shooting, and reload them in my clip when im done at the range.

[not_possible]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlazerPimp

I have the Federal Hydra shocks for my Colt delta elite 10mm the damn things are spendy though, i keep them in my range bag when i go shooting, and reload them in my clip when im done at the range.

when i bought my last 20rd box of gold dots i looked at the 50rd box of hydra shocks they were like $26 or somewhere round there...a good bit cheaper than the $17 for the 20 speers. ima give those winchesters a try next time i pick some up.

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by 442typhoondude

I'd like to see Glock apply the G21SF treatment to all of their full sizes. If I point shot a fullsize Glock at 50 yards I'd be knocking down birds , and the G21SF is just about right.

Anyone here own a SIG 220 Carry? I've been wanting a non 1911 4" 45ACP lately, and they seem to be about the only game in town.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/31144

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/12901

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/15375

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/48723

Shit, theres 4 others right there.

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlazerPimp

I have the Federal Hydra shocks for my Colt delta elite 10mm the damn things are spendy though, i keep them in my range bag when i go shooting, and reload them in my clip when im done at the range.

You have a 10mm M1 Garand?

[not_possible]

my guess is he was lookin for non polymer non 1911...personally id go with a s&w 457s over the sig nuthin against sigs i just dont like the look of it but the 457s is bout the same size u lose one shot but...its also a lil cheaper than the 220 carry i think

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by not_possible

my guess is he was lookin for non polymer non 1911...personally id go with a s&w 457s over the sig nuthin against sigs i just dont like the look of it but the 457s is bout the same size u lose one shot but...its also a lil cheaper than the 220 carry i think

How the hell do you get "I dont want a polymer pistol" out of:

Quote:

I've been wanting a non 1911 4" 45ACP lately, and they seem to be about the only game in town.

[not_possible]

bein that he specified a non 1911 and the sig isnt polymer

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapnoma

You have a 10mm M1 Garand?

Ok, I'll post it again. No, Busting your balls would have been posting this:

A Clip is not a Magazine!

One of the most misused terms in firearms is "Clip".
Depending on how you look at it, it is either amusing or pitiful that writers who consider themselves experts or authorities don't know the difference between a magazine and a Clip.

A Clip is a very different thing to a magazine and the terms are not interchangeable.
Saying "Clip" when you mean "magazine" is rather like talking about socks when you mean boots.

A magazine can be defined as a container of ammo. A room full of shells on a battleship is a magazine, and so was the Parthenon when it was used as a powder store.
In small arms terms magazine usually refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism. (more of this in a moment).

The ammo Clip was invented in 1885 by Mannlicher and provided a way to place a full load of rounds into a magazine in one action. What many people do not appreciate is that the Clip also forms an integral part of the gun's mechanism. If the rounds are not held in a Clip the gun cannot go through the full cycle of chamber, fire and eject.


If a weapon is clip-loading you can't load it with loose ammo.

This is why the two terms should not be confused.
Firstly because the Clip actually fits inside a magazine. Some Clip-loading automatic cannon don't appear to have any magazine, the Clip slotting onto the top of the weapon and the rounds feeding down. For simplicity we'll restrict our discussion to small arms.
Secondly, when you say an arm is clip-loading you are describing a specific type of mechanism. When I say the Home defence shotgun should be a clip-loader, I'm specifying that it SHOUDN'T be capable of being loaded with loose rounds.
One of the most famous and widely used clip-fed weapons is the M1 Garand rifle. It may be the wide use of this weapon that has caused so many Americans to confuse reloads with Clips. You might argue that you can hand-load a single round into the chamber of a Garand and fire it, but you are performing the loading part of the firing cycle instead of the Clip, so the above definition still holds.

Chargers. A device that looks very much like a Clip is the Charger. Both resemble a little rail that holds the rounds by the rim.
The difference is that the Charger is a form of speedloader that was invented by Paul Mauser in 1889. The Charger does not enter the magazine, but fits into a guide above it so that the rounds can be pushed from the rail down into the magazine.
Examples of well known Charger loaded weapons are the Lee Enfield, Springfield 1906, SKS and Mauser C96 pistols. Many later models of Mauser pistol could be loaded with both Chargers and detachable magazines.
If you are not sure if a weapon uses Chargers or Clips, then the big giveaway is whether the device fits inside a magazine or stays without. Also you can load a Charger loaded weapon with loose ammo. Many Chargers only hold half or a third of the weapon's magazine capacity, allowing the shooter to top up before he has shot empty.

Chargers and Clips are both devices for loading magazines, but one is a vital part of the gun's mechanism and fits inside the magazine, the other is an optional device that does not.

Stripper Clip (or Stripper) is an alternate term for Charger, "Stripper" being added to distinguish it from true Clips. Some authors mainly use this term for a type of Charger that is used to load magazines when they are not attached to the weapon. Either use is correct.

Revolver Clips. Usually known as "Half Moon Clips" –although now there are "Full Moon" and "Third Moon" Clips.
These differ a little from Rifle Clips in that their main function is to facilitate the ejection of the rounds rather than the feeding. Some revolvers for automatic cartridges do have rebated cylinders that you can use loose ammo in, but these won't eject by the gun's mechanism.

Quote: Originally Posted by nightrider05

Wow, sounds like a bit more work than I care to do. Im currently wanting to buy a pistol and have already dropped enough dough on the CX4. I know its a completely vague questions, but im looking for a good all around pistol. I would be putting quite a few rounds through it so im sort of aiming towards a .40 since the rounds are cheaper than the .45. I thought about a 9mm since those are the cheapest. Im not looking to go cheap on the gun and allow myself a decent budget to pick one up..any recommendations? I plan on going to a range where you can rent out guns and trying a whole variety, but it would be nice to know which ones to try out. Thanks!

This was sent to me as an IM, I thought it would be good to post it VIA this thread

the Cost difference when you buy in bulk isnt much different between 9mm and 40SW. However 45ACP seems to be a fair ammound more expensive. The frame size for a 9mm and 40 are typically the same. However for many firearms made they were made for 9mm and adapted for 40SW. The first pistol to come out that was built JUST FOR 40SW is the Sig P229. It was built ground up just as a 40 then adapted to 9mm and then a 357SIG.

For pistols to reccomend to try I suggest the Glock 23/27/22/24/35 (all 40's)
Sig 229 or 226
HK 40 Fullsize and compact (the compact is actually pretty big)
Beretta 96 is the same as a 92 except in 40SW
If you like really small the Kahr 40's are cool.
Walther P40

I am not a big fan of the Sigmas but that doesnt mean I dont respect them. They are nice pistols, they just havnt recieved a big :thumbup: from me.

The cz 75 is nice too. not a favorite pistol but still I would carry one if it were given to me. If you buy a SIG 226 or a beretta 96 the mags can be used in your Beretta STORM. Most Beretta mags work with 40 and 9mm. If you buy a 226 the mags need to have a slot cut in them to work in the storm. but they do work.

ETA: I may have that backwards... the modded storm mags may fit the 226.

if you pick up a beretta 96 or 92 the mags are interchangable, as in a 40 mag will work in the 9mm storm, and vice versa this works with the earlier beretta 40 mags. I am not too sure about the current ones.

Quote: Originally Posted by 442typhoondude

I'd like to see Glock apply the G21SF treatment to all of their full sizes. If I point shot a fullsize Glock at 50 yards I'd be knocking down birds , and the G21SF is just about right.

Anyone here own a SIG 220 Carry? I've been wanting a non 1911 4" 45ACP lately, and they seem to be about the only game in town.

HK USP 45
HK USP 45 Compact
HK USP 45 Tactical
HK USP 45 ELITE
HK USP 45 Compact Tactical

Here is my tactical:

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by not_possible

bein that he specified a non 1911 and the sig isnt polymer

So because he says he wants a Sig, it automatically means he doesnt want a polymer pistol?




Some of you peoples logic flat out scares me. Sigs are my favorite guns but I own a Glock and an XD before that. What can you infer from that?

[not_possible]

well i just based my logic on the fact that he stated sig and said it was bout the only around, i dont see y not 1911 style i love em browning designed a winner with it, a proven design copied by many and still has a strong presence after all these years. that made me thing he didnt want polymer cuz really there isnt a whole lot in that category size and caliber wise not havin a polymer frame. i mean there is s&w, beretta cougar and the taurus version along with the sig. thats all i can think of off the top of my head that are all bout the same size for a nice carry. theres a lot more choices when you consider the polymer hk, glock, springfield, kahr and such.

i dont have anything against sig or any polymer i'd take a polymer over the sig actually i just dont like the look of the sig. my logic should scare you if i came up with all that based on what he said haha

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapnoma

So because he says he wants a Sig, it automatically means he doesnt want a polymer pistol?

Some of you peoples logic flat out scares me. Sigs are my favorite guns but I own a Glock and an XD before that. What can you infer from that?

I like the Sig 220 for everything except that is capacity is pretty low. I see 12rds of ammo as a minimum for a fullsize pistol. 9 for a subcompact.

[1s152nv]

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

Not a big fan of Hydrashocks, they have become n out dated bullet. I would really reccomend some WINCHESTER ranger SXT 9mm 127GR #RA9TA.

Its a hollow point that can shoot through Spectra style BP vests, punches through doors and windows nicely, and itsnt that expensive. Its legal too. I have 2 boxes just for my UZI carbine

Where can you find these at? I looked around town for them about a year ago after I saw a magazine test on them, and nobody carries them.

[not_possible]

im sure your local dealer could get them for you. try auctionarms.com or gunbroker.com too at times they have a decent selection of ammo and everynow and then you can get a decent deal if shipping isnt rediculous.

and i just noticed i said taurus version of the cougar in my previous post...i meant stoeger. for some reason i had taurus on the brain.

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1s152nv

Where can you find these at? I looked around town for them about a year ago after I saw a magazine test on them, and nobody carries them.

I have 100rds of them on hand right now and I paid $27 per 50. If you want to buy them online http://surplusammo.com/product_info....17cb2c37ff2498 This is the person i buy them from. He is local to me and goes to the Local gunshows. He is a good guy. The ammo at the link is supposed to be RA9TA.

Winchester doesnt like this ammo to be in civvy hands yet most dealers have no problem selling it to Joe Schmoe. If you can afford it buy 200-300 rounds.

win ranger SXT 9mm +p+

[2Xtreme]

well i had a local gun show in town, (across the street from me) this weekend and i went in today and took my concealed weapons permit class. Tomorrow i will send the paper work, they say it will take up to 90 days. While i was at the show i was looking for a glock, mind you this is my first gun...i was looking around and didnt really like the fact that they dont have a safety...well i keot looking and talked to a few different people and ran into a real cool guy that k new his stuff and had what i thought to be some good knowledge and knew the owner of a local gun store that had a display at the show...well after everything i fell in love with this gun... http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...roduc tid=118

Sig Suaer P229 .40 cal...I found a great deal and i loved the style, feel, and basically everything about the gun! Tomorrow after i send the paper work I am going to the store and putting the gun on lay away...i have up to 90 days to get the permit so i said fukit ill wait pay lil by lil and not rip into my credit card!

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2Xtreme

well i had a local gun show in town, (across the street from me) this weekend and i went in today and took my concealed weapons permit class. Tomorrow i will send the paper work, they say it will take up to 90 days. While i was at the show i was looking for a glock, mind you this is my first gun...i was looking around and didnt really like the fact that they dont have a safety...well i keot looking and talked to a few different people and ran into a real cool guy that k new his stuff and had what i thought to be some good knowledge and knew the owner of a local gun store that had a display at the show...well after everything i fell in love with this gun... http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...roduc tid=118

Sig Suaer P229 .40 cal...I found a great deal and i loved the style, feel, and basically everything about the gun! Tomorrow after i send the paper work I am going to the store and putting the gun on lay away...i have up to 90 days to get the permit so i said fukit ill wait pay lil by lil and not rip into my credit card!

I have the same pistol without the rail and Mine is a full BI-Tone, stainless trigger, screws, hammer, take down arm, slide, and more... only black part is the grips and frame.

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2Xtreme

well i had a local gun show in town, (across the street from me) this weekend and i went in today and took my concealed weapons permit class. Tomorrow i will send the paper work, they say it will take up to 90 days. While i was at the show i was looking for a glock, mind you this is my first gun...i was looking around and didnt really like the fact that they dont have a safety...well i keot looking and talked to a few different people and ran into a real cool guy that k new his stuff and had what i thought to be some good knowledge and knew the owner of a local gun store that had a display at the show...well after everything i fell in love with this gun... http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...roduc tid=118

Sig Suaer P229 .40 cal...I found a great deal and i loved the style, feel, and basically everything about the gun! Tomorrow after i send the paper work I am going to the store and putting the gun on lay away...i have up to 90 days to get the permit so i said fukit ill wait pay lil by lil and not rip into my credit card!

Glocks have 3 safeties on them.

[nater006]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapnoma

Glocks have 3 safeties on them.

I'm fairly confident he's referring to a manual safety. The bottom line on a Glock is that if you have a round loaded in the chamber, squeezing the trigger with your finger will fire the gun. There is no other manual safety you need to turn off to fire the gun. Glock has 3 safeties that prevent the firearm from discharging accidentally, but none that protect against somebody with poor skill that grabs the gun with finger on trigger and fires it accidentally.

It threw me off when purchasing my first (G30) since it was my only gun without a safety. Now, I really like that feature on a carry gun. I believe folks should learn proper technique for whatever activity they participate in - target shooting, carrying, etc - and the safety does not become a necessary item. Unmodified Glocks do not go off accidentally when somebody with proper skills is handling them.

[Lowsonoma03]

Heres mine, Springfield XD .40 holding the Federal Hydra Shoks when i carry it, and i've shot Winchester FMJ at the range since i've owned it. I haven't really tried any other bullets really but i'd like to explore a few different here soon. The Hydra Shoks do their job for me though!

Prolly around income tax time i'd like to get something else, as the wife his home alone at night with me working 3rd shift. If she can manage with the .40 i'd like to get a sub compact Glock to conceal a lil more. If not i'll get her what she can be comfortable with. Then i'd always like to get my Baby Eagle or even its big daddy soon

I also have a Marlin .17HMR and a Winchester Model 94 30/30 but they are still at my old house (my fathers) so i dont have a pic but they're nothing special.

Sorry for the crappy quality pics, still learning how to use the new camera...

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

I'm fairly confident he's referring to a manual safety. The bottom line on a Glock is that if you have a round loaded in the chamber, squeezing the trigger with your finger will fire the gun. There is no other manual safety you need to turn off to fire the gun. Glock has 3 safeties that prevent the firearm from discharging accidentally, but none that protect against somebody with poor skill that grabs the gun with finger on trigger and fires it accidentally.

It threw me off when purchasing my first (G30) since it was my only gun without a safety. Now, I really like that feature on a carry gun. I believe folks should learn proper technique for whatever activity they participate in - target shooting, carrying, etc - and the safety does not become a necessary item. Unmodified Glocks do not go off accidentally when somebody with proper skills is handling them.

I know exactly what he's referring to. But he said "glocks dont have safeties" and since he didnt specify "external safety", the statement "glocks dont have safeties" is wrong.

Just like it was wrong a few months back when some guy tried arguing that Glocks didnt have safeties, at all. As in, no safeties whatsoever.

[nater006]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapnoma

I know exactly what he's referring to. But he said "glocks dont have safeties" and since he didnt specify "external safety", the statement "glocks dont have safeties" is wrong.

Just like it was wrong a few months back when some guy tried arguing that Glocks didnt have safeties, at all. As in, no safeties whatsoever.

Yeah, I know you know just fine... that was mostly to prevent the stream of "NO THEY DO NOT" comments that would inevitably follow...

[Zapnoma]

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Yeah, I know you know just fine... that was mostly to prevent the stream of "NO THEY DO NOT" comments that would inevitably follow...

And I'll prove them wrong just like I did that last poster with information directly off Glocks website of how they work.

[Ralphie]

I did a little clay shooting with the Benelli this weekend, my buddy also picked up a used S&W 1000M Autoloader 12 guage. It's in great shape and he picked it up for $250, the downside is that it needs 3" shells for the autoloader to work.

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by Zapnoma

I know exactly what he's referring to. But he said "glocks dont have safeties" and since he didnt specify "external safety", the statement "glocks dont have safeties" is wrong.

Just like it was wrong a few months back when some guy tried arguing that Glocks didnt have safeties, at all. As in, no safeties whatsoever.

I love the Glock without safetys... people love to discount the gun because of a lack of external safteys...

Lets take a moment to think of the other guns that they lean towards after realising there is no external safety.

if you grab the gun and squese the trigger it will fire.

SIG's (no safety)
xd's no safety
SOME berettas no safety
SOME HK's no safetys

[Lowsonoma03]

Thats the thing the wife freaked out about at first when she realized the XD doesnt have a safety. Thats why she wouldnt let me keep it in the bedroom, let alone the house itself, but i've got her out of that gunshy attitude she has had for a few years now. Now she wants one for herself!

[2Xtreme]

i didnt really know about the whole internal safety part, just getting into this. im hoping to learn alot more in the next couple months before i get my permit and handleing the gun alot more before i even think of carrying it! thats for the knowledge though! ill be on here asking for much more help in the future.

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by 2Xtreme

i didnt really know about the whole internal safety part, just getting into this. im hoping to learn alot more in the next couple months before i get my permit and handleing the gun alot more before i even think of carrying it! thats for the knowledge though! ill be on here asking for much more help in the future.

We are here to help. I reccomend reading the FIRST POST IN ITS ENTIRETY FIRST. You hanvn't made any mistakes, but it gets you going in the right direction.

[NineSeven4Door]

heres all mine.


Century Arms WASR-10





Mossberg 500A 12ga





Ruger 10/22 .22 LR






Glock 23 .40SW






Taurus PT92 9mm






Taurus Ultralite 85 .38 Special






Walther P22 .22 LR

[NCarolina910]

That's a helluva collection. I must admit, I'm kinda jealous.

[GETNLWR]

How has your WASR been, I know some people have had nothing but bad luck with them.

Has that 23 ever been used...? looks like it needs some trigger time. Ya need one of these mags...


just for collectability pourposes... The sad part is, it costs $25 to fill it with ammo.

[nater006]

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

Has that 23 ever been used...? looks like it needs some trigger time.

Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? My 30 has had probably a good 5000 rounds through it by now, but save for some bluing worn off on the ridge of the barrel, it looks pretty much new. (The pic I attached earlier, it hadn't been cleaned yet as I'd just been to the range that day)

I've owned a few and never seen a properly maintained Glock show visible exterior wear & tear, save for occasionally on the barrel.

[Ralphie]

My dad has a Ruger almost identical to that one you posted up there, he even has a banana clip for it too.

[nater006]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ralphie

My dad has a Ruger almost identical to that one you posted up there, he even has a banana clip for it too.

10/22 is extremely popular - tons of aftermarket stuff available for it but even the tapered barrel models are very accurate out of the box. I love my 10/22. It's relatively stock, even, but even with relatively cheap ammo is tons of fun to shoot. Cheap to shoot, also! I have a few banana clips for mine but always end up using the factory rotary mags on it. It's nice to have the flush-fit mags, IMHO.

If i had a tapered barrel model, I'd get one of these stocks for it:

Kinda cheesy but really easy to use. Essentially pull the one breakdown screw from the Ruger stock and drop the whole thing into the new stock with a trigger extension bar deal.

Kinda neat

[GETNLWR]

I was refering to how perfect it looked. I carry my 23 almost every day, the finish still looks good on mine but yours doesnt seem to be carried as much... No insult intended, I hope none was taken.

[NCarolina910]

Well yall, I'm sitting here tonight taking a break from my homework and I got to thinking about Christmas. I decided there would be no better time to begin compiling parts for my .223 than now. This brought up a couple questions.

1) What's the difference between A1 and A2 buttstocks?

2) Is there any real advantage to an entry buttstock with the spring and buffer over the standard A2? Mainly, would it decrease recoil?

3) Finally (and I've already asked my roommate this, so I've already gathered my own assumptions) what are yall's opinions on the Rock River NM two stage trigger over a standard trigger?

I'm sure I'll have more as this progresses, but for tonight those are all.

[GETNLWR]

Quote: Originally Posted by NCarolinaS10

Well yall, I'm sitting here tonight taking a break from my homework and I got to thinking about Christmas. I decided there would be no better time to begin compiling parts for my .223 than now. This brought up a couple questions.

1) What's the difference between A1 and A2 buttstocks?
about 3/4 of an inch. NO TRAP DOOR ON THE A1, A1 is the shorter one.
2) Is there any real advantage to an entry buttstock with the spring and buffer over the standard A2? Mainly, would it decrease recoil?
recoil is the SAME on all ar15's with out a muzzle break.

I know alot of people are going to say"your nuts". No I am not. the recoil percieved in an ar15 is partially from the impulse of the bolt carrier, the blast of a 16inch barrel is the same regardless of flashider or not. Add a muzzlebreak and it can make a difference on recoil. ANYWAY... the percieved recoil from the carrier cycling can be cut down with a hevier buffer or carrier or both.

Now the simple answer is a a1/a2 stock has a longer dwell time on account that the buffer weighs more. This can be moddified too. The Stubby stocks are the same buffers as the collapsable stock. If you want a stubby I reccomend the ACE stubby skeleton.

If you want more info on this let me know and i can go further.

3) Finally (and I've already asked my roommate this, so I've already gathered my own assumptions) what are yall's opinions on the Rock River NM two stage trigger over a standard trigger?

its like getting out of a honda civic and getting into a BMW 3 series.

if you want a Mercedes equivilant trigger a Chip McCormic drop in flat bar is really nice.
I'm sure I'll have more as this progresses, but for tonight those are all.

Keep asking when you are ready. if you want further explenation let me know.


I do have one RRA 2 stage in my "entry tactical" rifle and I like it. I am going to get a Jard 1.5lb soon for the target rifle.

[2Xtreme]

[quote=NineSeven4Door;4608913]heres all mine.


Mossberg 500A 12ga



I love this thing man! i think it would be my next investment...

Walther P22 .22 LR


I thought silencers are illegal??

[Zapnoma]

[quote=2Xtreme;4610685]

Quote: Originally Posted by NineSeven4Door

heres all mine.


Mossberg 500A 12ga



I love this thing man! i think it would be my next investment...

Walther P22 .22 LR


I thought silencers are illegal??

Only if your state says so. Quite a few states allow suppressors/MG/NFA weapons.

[2Xtreme]

oh, didnt know that...i thought they were completly illegal! thanks