The New Firearm Thread

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 01:34 AM

This is the new firearms thread. The purpose of this thread is for people to be able to ask questions and get good answers. CevJuans-Packin Heat' thread was getting too long and had 978 posts. Its time for a new one. With John's blessing a new one has been created.

Rules for this thread go as follows.

Picture posting- Must be in good taste. We want to reflect positivly on firearms owners and mini truckers. DO NOT post "gangsta" style photos. They are not wanted nor welcome here. You are more than welcome to tastefully show off your firearm collection. Use good judgement.

Posting of illigal firearms won't be tollerated be me or anyone else here.

Derogitory or un-needed comments are not welcome. (EX-pictures of a baseball bat.) This shows that the poster doesnt seem to either understand the difference between a firearms and sports equiptment.

I Am a minitrucker and a firearms enthusiast. I have a very good knowledge on firearms in general, I like to be able to help people. Ask a question and I will give you the best answer I can. There are other board members here who also like firearms. They will also be more than willing to help/make comments/give opinions. if you ask for an opinion type question, be prepared for an opinion type answer.

I own a few interesting firearms. A few rifles, pistols and shotguns. I enjoy shooting "tactical" style firearms more than other. I have also worked in a gun shop for awhile, though not anymore. I do have friends that are Machingun/silencer manufactures i am very up to date on most laws and regulations, I do not clam to be a lawyer, and will never claim to be a lawyer. If you need major legal council seek a lawyer. If you want plain ol' advice, i will give it. just remember its worth what you paid for it.

The 4 rules of firearms.

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.
All guns are always loaded - period!
This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)

Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.

SUMMARY:
Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?
Excerpted from: The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644, $40

ETA: I am an asshole, if you post something stupid, I will tell you how it is, weather you like it or not.

Remeber there are no DUMB questions here. All honest questions will be answered. Antagonising questions will not be tolerated.

01EXT · 10-31-2007, 01:36 AM

good way to start this off gentlwar

Bama · 10-31-2007, 01:37 AM

great info there

01EXT · 10-31-2007, 01:49 AM

Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 02:10 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT

Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light

I do own a Glock 23. I do have a light for it too. It doesnt get used much anymore, it was kind of a novelty that wore off quickly. I own a Streamlight M3. it works well and would reccomend it to anyone lookng for a Light that attaches quickly and activates with the flick of a finger. It offers a momentary on and a regular ON. One of my firends has a Streamlight TLR-1. it is a VERY NICE little light, my only complaint is how long it takes to attach. it requires tightening a screw whlie holding it in place. The M3 however is a snap on, and just as fast to remove.

As for lasers... I Dont suggest one that is in the place of the guide rod. the guide ro is constantly moving and will not keep its ZERO. The guide rod is also placed under an EXTREME amount of force under the firing of the weapon. The Batterys are also VERY EXPENSIVE and dont last very long. Activation of the Guide rod lasers are typically not very easy. I would rather see you pick up a set of crimson trace laser grips. They activate when you tighten your grip and run off a very common battery the cr2032. The batterys also have a fairly long useful life.

pics... the TLR-1

The M3

The Crimson trace lager grips on a GLOCK 22

S-10Driver · 10-31-2007, 02:17 AM

those are 4 very good rules to live by. I can't stand how some people hold/carry and portray firearms in the media. If proper gun techniques were used and the guns were used to serve, their purpose, maybe more youths would have a better understanding of how firearms are to be properly used in the world today.

right now i currently only own one gun, a '75 Remington model 1100 12 Ga. shotgun.

after college I'd like to begin searching for a good pistol.

556mm · 10-31-2007, 02:34 AM

great thread. i don't have anything to say right now but i'm sure in the future i will.

BrutalDime · 10-31-2007, 07:53 AM

i posted this in the other thread and go great info...

i was in the market for a Mossberg 500 persuader...still want it, but i also heard good things about remmington 12 ga's as well...could you shed some light on which may be a better purchase? i know i def want a 12 ga with nothing longer than a 18" barrel...capable of 3" mag slugs (may or may not use them, i just want the option)

its purpose is stickly for leisure shooting and home protection...nothing tactical or competitive

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 09:50 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BrutalDime

i posted this in the other thread and go great info...

i was in the market for a Mossberg 500 persuader...still want it, but i also heard good things about remmington 12 ga's as well...could you shed some light on which may be a better purchase? i know i def want a 12 ga with nothing longer than a 18" barrel...capable of 3" mag slugs (may or may not use them, i just want the option)

its purpose is stickly for leisure shooting and home protection...nothing tactical or competitive

For a decent shotgun I would reccomend one from the big 3 of shotguns, Mossberg, Winchester, Remington.

win 1300 defender, mossberg persuader, or 870 police magnum. The police magnum is a different shotgun than what you would find at a sporting goos store. Typically they are only found at gun shops. Its a little better but also a little more pricey. Specs when I get home from work tonight.

Madkaw_16 · 10-31-2007, 02:54 PM

Rule V- Always wear ear and eye protection.

Other than that, excellent post, and safe shooting.

BLAZ1N · 10-31-2007, 03:14 PM

What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at.

Ralphie · 10-31-2007, 03:22 PM

Great way to start the thread. I'll go ahead and post mine up then.

From top to bottom:

My room mate's Bennelli Nova
My 1943 Winchester Model 12 Trench Gun
My Bennelli Super Nova

biggdogg891 · 10-31-2007, 03:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT

Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light

I have the same glock that you have with the inlayed laser. It is awesome. I love it. would never have any other laser...

great start to this thread. I have many guns and I have grown up around guns I will help as best as I can.

Cruznsten · 10-31-2007, 03:50 PM

Great start to the thread! I am a CDWL holder and carry very often. A lot of my friends find it odd, but they are more used to it now. at first they would make stupid comments all of the time, but i think they now realize that i don't have mental issues and it IS a good idea. My carry gun is a S&W lady smith .38 snub nose, hammerless airframe with the crimson trace grips...EXCELLENT CONCEALED GUN! i prefer a revolver just because of the simplicity of everything. I also own a S&W police edition .357 with 6" barrell, youth model remington 20ga., benelli nova 12ga, remington 788 .243 and remington .22LR. I am looking at purchasing a cheap 12ga for home protection in the future, possible pistol grip. any recommendations on those?

not_possible · 10-31-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BLAZ1N

What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at.

i just recently picked up a used 92fs for $280, i haven't made it to the range with it yet. maybe this weekend if i can find the time, i'll post up my thoughts on it if i make it. and when i get around to refinishing it if i decide not to have it plated i'll try and remember to take progress pics and post em.

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BLAZ1N

What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at.

Very Nice Pistol, I am not a large fan of 9mm, though. Two of my friends own them and have nothin but good things to say about them. For a While you could get them for $419 plus shipping at CDNN.

If you can find one that is stamped MADE IN ITALY, you may be happier. The Itialian ones were made to a highter quality standard.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cruznsten

Great start to the thread! I am a CDWL holder and carry very often. A lot of my friends find it odd, but they are more used to it now. at first they would make stupid comments all of the time, but i think they now realize that i don't have mental issues and it IS a good idea. My carry gun is a S&W lady smith .38 snub nose, hammerless airframe with the crimson trace grips...EXCELLENT CONCEALED GUN! i prefer a revolver just because of the simplicity of everything. I also own a S&W police edition .357 with 6" barrell, youth model remington 20ga., benelli nova 12ga, remington 788 .243 and remington .22LR. I am looking at purchasing a cheap 12ga for home protection in the future, possible pistol grip. any recommendations on those?

See the same shotguns listed above. REM, Moss, WIN.

mossberg makes a really nice bersuader with a door breacher attached to it. I would reccomend getting a stock over a pistolgrip only. It makes it so you can do more with it. (LIKE AIM IT) KNOXX makes a cool recoil absorbing stock with a pistol grip.

ETA; its amazing to see how many people are following this thread.

sdime4evr · 10-31-2007, 05:19 PM

anyone know if you can own a handgun if you have been convicted of a misdemeanor?I got busted for a stupid ass thing last spring and i dont want it to effect my future purchase of a handgun. i have been raised around guns and had a nice selection before the parents split up, so i would ask my dad but he is not around. thanks

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sdime4evr

anyone know if you can own a handgun if you have been convicted of a misdemeanor?I got busted for a stupid ass thing last spring and i dont want it to effect my future purchase of a handgun. i have been raised around guns and had a nice selection before the parents split up, so i would ask my dad but he is not around. thanks

What is the Misdemeanor? it matters. if you dont want to post it PM it to me.

I can give you a good answer on this one.

most likely no it will not prevent you from owning a firearms. (depending on the charge) i know convicted felons who legally own firarms. (They got their rights restored)

sdime4evr · 10-31-2007, 05:34 PM

i sent you a pm

GETNLWR · 10-31-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by sdime4evr

i sent you a pm

answered.

sdime4evr · 10-31-2007, 05:44 PM

thanks i will check it out

1s152nv · 10-31-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT

Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light

I have a Glock 19 with the crimson trace laser grip. For concealed carry, I think its the best laser out there. Theres no switch to flip, the activation button is on the back and comes on instantly when you squeeze the handle, so its always ready at a moments notice. Its also very easy to install. It widens the grip a little, so if you have small hands it could make it a little harder to reach the mag release one handed, but I personally like the feel of it. A solid, very high quality piece.

NCarolina910 · 10-31-2007, 06:04 PM

I got to posting more often near the end of the last thread, I figured I might as well chime in on this one as well. I've only been shooting for the past 5-7 years of my life as my dad didn't give me my first gun till I was in my teens. I don't claim to be a gun expert at all, but I do know my way around the ones I own and a few of my friend's guns I get to shoot on a regular basis. I'm currently waiting on the background check for my concealed carry permit. I should have it near the end of the year, though I will not be carrying on a regular basis until I graduate college for obvious reasons. I personally have a Stevens 410/.22 over-under, a Remington 870 Express Magnum 12 gauge, and a Glock G26 9mm. I plan on building a Rock River .223 A4 the first of next year.

nater006 · 10-31-2007, 06:11 PM

A few from my collection:

Glock 26 w/ a 33 rd magazine (yes, I normally use a 10 rd mag. The 33 is not practical, really - just for fun. No stupid comments please.). I put an extended slide release on as the "low profile" ones drove me nuts. This is much easier for me to hit every time.

12 gauge Benelli Nova pump w/ 28" barrel. It also has a 1/2" extended choke - silver on the end of the barrel. That choke turns skeet to dust

Ruger 10/22, heavy stainless target barrel, 3-9x40 optics

Walther P22.

And my favorite pistol for last. Glock 30. Subcompact .45 ACP. It is definitely my favorite handgun for versatility.

This has an extended slide release, but is otherwise pretty much stock. This is essentially the only firearm I use for concealed carry.

nater006 · 10-31-2007, 06:13 PM

Here's the 26 again with a standard non-extended (and also no room for pinky) 10 rd magazine. Wonderful carry gun, but the Model 30 has always been my first choice for a nominal increase in size.

GETNLWR · 11-01-2007, 01:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

A few from my collection:

Glock 26 w/ a 33 rd magazine (yes, I normally use a 10 rd mag. The 33 is not practical, really - just for fun. No stupid comments please.). I put an extended slide release on as the "low profile" ones drove me nuts. This is much easier for me to hit every time.

There shouldnt really be any stupid comments for this setup. its a nice little package and the mag may be useful as a "keep in the vehicle spare".

old_skool_noma · 11-01-2007, 01:48 AM

me and dads collection, i cant se the pics right now, and i dont feel like pulling them all up, they are in cev's thread

Chris0nllyn · 11-01-2007, 02:10 AM

i have 2 guns...

my left arm and right arm

GETNLWR · 11-01-2007, 02:30 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

Rules for this thread go as follows.

Picture posting- Must be in good taste. We want to reflect positivly on firearms owners and mini truckers. DO NOT post "gangsta" style photos. They are not wanted nor welcome here. You are more than welcome to tastefully show off your firearm collection. Use good judgement.

Posting of illigal firearms won't be tollerated be me or anyone else here.

Derogitory or un-needed comments are not welcome. (EX-pictures of a baseball bat.) This shows that the poster doesnt seem to either understand the difference between a firearms and sports equiptment.

I am an asshole, if you post something stupid, I will tell you how it is, weather you like it or not.

Remeber there are no DUMB questions here. All honest questions will be answered. Antagonising questions will not be tolerated.

Remeber this is a serious thread for mature people.

rmoore911 · 11-01-2007, 08:11 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

Remeber this is a serious thread for mature people.

didn't take long, did it?

nater006 · 11-01-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

There shouldnt really be any stupid comments for this setup. its a nice little package and the mag may be useful as a "keep in the vehicle spare".

Agreed but you never know who's going to make a comment about holding the gun sideways, "gangsta style" (anybody wonder why they their guns jam? heh) with a mag that big. It is a lot of fun but extremely impractical for carrying...hehehe. It is acceptable for a vehicle mag though - you are 100% correct!

GETNLWR · 11-01-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Agreed but you never know who's going to make a comment about holding the gun sideways, "gangsta style" (anybody wonder why they their guns jam? heh) with a mag that big. It is a lot of fun but extremely impractical for carrying...hehehe. It is acceptable for a vehicle mag though - you are 100% correct!

Not only is it not practical it could also be LEGAL suicide in a court room. Those mags were designed for a gun that isnt legal in civilian hands. In a court room the civil lawsuit against you might use the argument that you were a bad guy who WANTS to kill someone. and 33 rounds is a good way you do it.

BUCKET · 11-01-2007, 07:51 PM

nater you know they have a 27 round mag for the 30 model glock. I too carry a g30 as my carry. I purchased an ar-15 today came with a few accessories! I am at work so no pictures

not_possible · 11-01-2007, 07:57 PM

here's a few pics of my 92fs

nater006 · 11-01-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 99 BUCKET

nater you know they have a 27 round mag for the 30 model glock. I too carry a g30 as my carry. I purchased an ar-15 today came with a few accessories! I am at work so no pictures

Yeah, I've seen the Scherer 25 round mag for the .45ACP Glocks. Kinda impractical, again, but very fun. That would be ultra heavy, filled with .45ACP...man.

XDime01 · 11-01-2007, 08:33 PM

Anyone in here own any XD's? I am looking at buying one for my first handgun. Will mostly be used for home defence along with my 12ga. But that is kinda hard to clear some corners at times. I was looking 9mm so my wife wouldnt be afraid to use it, but I want a .40

BUCKET · 11-01-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Yeah, I've seen the Scherer 25 round mag for the .45ACP Glocks. Kinda impractical, again, but very fun. That would be ultra heavy, filled with .45ACP...man.

I could not remember how many it was, its not sitting in front of me...

actually adds a nice balance. Freind and I went out shooting not to long ago. he has all the videos and pics. I will have to get them from him. I only load mine with target rounds. we try to shoot often, its too much fun with extended mags. I have full intention of picking up a beta-c mag for the ar-15 100 rounds of .223

deepbluespeedy · 11-01-2007, 09:42 PM

My Yugoslavian SKS and Remington 870 12 guage.

Not pictured: Mossberg 183 bolt action .410. Nifty little gun.

I am planning on building an AR-15 mostly out of DPMS parts this winter. If anyone has any experience with this, I would be grateful for advice.

BUCKET · 11-01-2007, 10:18 PM

45 extended is 28 rds. I have it in my truck, checked at lunch.

GETNLWR · 11-02-2007, 12:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by XDime01

Anyone in here own any XD's? I am looking at buying one for my first handgun. Will mostly be used for home defence along with my 12ga. But that is kinda hard to clear some corners at times. I was looking 9mm so my wife wouldnt be afraid to use it, but I want a .40

I bought one for the EX a fewyears back, it was a great gun. i wasnt impressed with how fast the finnish wore off, but hers was one of the really early ones right after the HS2000 was renamed the xd. The difference between 9 and 40 is negligable.

NotPossible:
I like your choice of ammo. Gold dots are one of my favorites to carry.

nater006 · 11-02-2007, 12:48 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 99 BUCKET

45 extended is 28 rds. I have it in my truck, checked at lunch.

What brand? It may have an extension on it, further even. The Sherer ones are designed for 25 but it might be a different brand.

nater006 · 11-02-2007, 12:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by XDime01

Anyone in here own any XD's? I am looking at buying one for my first handgun. Will mostly be used for home defence along with my 12ga. But that is kinda hard to clear some corners at times. I was looking 9mm so my wife wouldnt be afraid to use it, but I want a .40

Why a .40 for home defense? Up close, a good ammo selection on a .45 can give better stopping power. Over a distance, the .40 excels with delivery due to generally higher muzzle velocities.

Then there's the kick factor. The .40 always feels like a bit sharper kick to me, using standard ammo.

Anyway, just my $.02. I tend to buy stuff for the application and have done a bit o' research on it. Of course, a lot is preference... but the numbers are very important also.

Zapnoma · 11-02-2007, 01:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by XDime01

Anyone in here own any XD's? I am looking at buying one for my first handgun. Will mostly be used for home defence along with my 12ga. But that is kinda hard to clear some corners at times. I was looking 9mm so my wife wouldnt be afraid to use it, but I want a .40

I just sold mine after having it for 10months, put 1500-2000rds down range with it. Great gun, one of the easiest bigger caliber handguns to teardown.

I also bought a Glock 19 to replace it....if that says anything.

Zapnoma · 11-02-2007, 01:02 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

What brand? It may have an extension on it, further even. The Sherer ones are designed for 25 but it might be a different brand.

Sherer has a reputation for being extremely unreliable. And I'm sure you know someones brothers friends daughters wife's husband had a few that worked good but they are very prone to breakage. Thats why you can get them so cheap.

Zapnoma · 11-02-2007, 01:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Why a .40 for home defense? Up close, a good ammo selection on a .45 can give better stopping power. Over a distance, the .40 excels with delivery due to generally higher muzzle velocities.

Then there's the kick factor. The .40 always feels like a bit sharper kick to me, using standard ammo.

Anyway, just my $.02. I tend to buy stuff for the application and have done a bit o' research on it. Of course, a lot is preference... but the numbers are very important also.

Cuz fotay's the bomb diggity niggah!

Madkaw_16 · 11-02-2007, 01:35 AM

.40 cal FTW! I like .45 too, but its too expensive to practice with, i.e. 2k rounds a month.

GETNLWR · 11-02-2007, 01:43 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by nater006

Why a .40 for home defense? Up close, a good ammo selection on a .45 can give better stopping power. Over a distance, the .40 excels with delivery due to generally higher muzzle velocities.

Then there's the kick factor. The .40 always feels like a bit sharper kick to me, using standard ammo.

Anyway, just my $.02. I tend to buy stuff for the application and have done a bit o' research on it. Of course, a lot is preference... but the numbers are very important also.

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By Chuck Hawks

Much of what one reads about the subject of handgun stopping power is a mixture of truth, half-truth, untruth, rumor and legend. A good place for inquiring minds to start would be to read the books by Ed Sanow and Evan Marshall, which are the most important works on the subject at the present time. They did the research, visited the morgues, talked to the shooting victims and police, and in the end collected the validated data from actual shootings that demonstrates what has worked in the real world. Their findings can correct a lot of popular misconceptions for those who are willing to learn.
When discussing terminal ballistics what seems "reasonable" on the face of it often turns out not to be, sometimes for fairly complex reasons. One example would be the alleged superiority of the semi-wadcutter (SWC or "Keith style") bullet form. General Julian Hatcher, who invented the widely quoted (and copied) theory of Relative Stopping Power, and those who followed his lead theorized that such a bullet should be 25% more effective than the traditional Round Nose (RN) bullet. And, in fact, the SWC style bullet does look somehow deadlier than a RN bullet. Its sharp shouldered, truncated cone configuration was alleged to "chop" a chunk out of tissue and blood vessels as it passed through, rather than press them aside as it was alleged a RN bullet would do. This seemed to make sense to me, and for years I shot SWC style bullets. But when Sanow and Marshall evaluated over 100 actual shootings with 158 grain .38 Special lead SWC bullets, there proved to be no significant difference in stopping power compared to 158 grain .38 Special lead RN bullets at the same velocity. Clearly, the Hatcher theory has some flaws, no matter how reasonable it may seem.
The stopping power of any handgun bullet turns out to be a function of its ability to disrupt vital bodily functions, not the diameter or weight or initial shape of the bullet that strikes the victim. For example, the difference in the size of the entrance hole made by a .451" bullet compared to that made by a .355" bullet in an elastic (semi-self sealing) material like skin turns out to be largely irrelevant to stopping power. The idea (which I have heard expressed) that a bigger bullet makes a bigger hole to "bleed out" a man or an animal is faintly ridiculous.
The principle method of both stopping and killing with any firearm, whether rifle or pistol or shotgun, is the disruption of vital bodily functions. Fatally damage any animal's heart, liver, lungs, or central nervous system (including Homo sapiens) and it is not going to live long enough to bleed out. Fail to put your bullet in a vital spot and you are very likely to have a problem with a man or an animal. That is not to say that some bullet placements might not eventually cause death by loss of blood, or infection, or some other mechanism, but that is never the goal of any hunter OR gunfighter who wants an immediate one shot stop.
Readers who have done some deer hunting have probably observed that often the entrance wound from a modern expanding rifle bullet (like a 100 grain .243, 130 grain .270, or 150 grain .308) seems minimal, with almost no external blood loss at all. In addition, there may be no exit wound--the bullet is often found just under the hide on the off side. But if the shot was true the deer's lungs probably look like they went through a blender, and the animal was down in seconds. That is an illustration of nearly perfect stopping power and it has little or nothing to do with the relatively small caliber of the bullet involved.
Modern big bore advocates, following in the footsteps of Jeff Cooper (who I respect greatly and regard as a fine and very persuasive writer), will claim that the example cited in the paragraph above and witnessed by countless tens of thousands of deer hunters does not apply at typical handgun bullet impact velocities. They argue that below some magic impact velocity (usually about 2000 fps) the temporary stretch cavity that contributes so much to the lethality of rifle bullets like those in the example above ceases to exist. These writers continue to ignore any facts contrary to their preconceptions. (As an aside, it is interesting that big bore rifle fans use a similar argument, but for them the magic velocity is typically about 2400 fps.)
Unfortunately, they are simply wrong about pistol and rifle terminal ballistics being fundamentally different, which can and has proven by controlled testing and high speed photography. In fact, they are fundamentally similar. Both depend on disrupting the function of vital organs, and bullets that reach such organs and expand quickly and violently, thus destroying a lot of tissue, are the best way to accomplish this, whether fired from a short barrel or a long one.
How could the terminal ballistics of pistols and rifles be so different, since today we have pistols chambered for rifle cartridges and rifles chambered for pistol cartridges? In general, rifles have an advantage in kinetic energy, and this gives them an advantage in the amount of potential damage they can cause. (Of course, most of the big bore boys don't believe that kinetic energy matters, either, but that is their problem.)
But in terms of the mechanisms of wound dynamics, rifle bullets and pistol bullets are both bullets, and function in pretty much the same way. The stopping power of pistol loads and the killing power of rifle loads are both based on a combination of the temporary stretch cavity and the permanent crush cavity produced by the bullet as it traverses the target. Any theory that ignores either of these factors will give erroneous results. Ignore the temporary stretch cavity and your results will favor big caliber bullets. Ignore the crush cavity and your results will favor high velocity, nearly explosive bullets. Both results will be incorrect.
For at least 40 years I have been reading claims by various "authorities" that bullets cannot be made to expand reliably at typical handgun velocities. This is just plain not true. I discovered that in the middle 1960's by shooting game with .357 Magnum JHP expanding bullets, and it certainly isn't true now. These opinions usually trace their origin to ancient theories and flawed experiments, particularly the Thompson-LaGard study conducted around the turn of the (20th) Century and General Julian Hatcher's aforementioned Theory of Relative Stopping Power.
When applied to contemporary handgun cartridges, theories based on Hatcher (which include Cooper's and Taylor's "Short Forms") have a statistical correlation to reality of only .64. In other words, they are meaningless. A vocal minority of gun writers and their disciples (again mostly big bore pistol fans) have come to accept this bunk as gospel, but it is really in the same category as urban legends. These "authorities" have been repeating this misinformation for as long as I can remember--but that does not make them right.
It is instructive to read the actual results of the Thompson-LaGard cattle shooting experiments, which I have done. I urge my readers to do the same. It would be hard to imagine a less appropriate or more poorly controlled study. Despite the significance ascribed to it to this day by the ignorant and willfully blind, it proved absolutely nothing about the lethality or stopping power (on humans) of the handgun cartridges and loads tested. And it is even less relevant (if possible) to modern handgun ammunition, since no expanding bullets were tested.
All that the Thompson-LaGard experiment really proved is that none of the handgun loads tested were effective at killing cattle. Most of the bovines those early experimenters shot had to be put down with a sledge hammer! The conclusion that the .45 caliber pistol was superior was forgone from the outset due to the bias of the testers, and it became their official conclusion despite a startling lack of data to support it. Interestingly, the only steer put down quickly with one shot was killed by a round from the high velocity 7.65mm (.30 caliber) Luger pistol!
Well designed bullets (which includes most of the JHP pistol bullets now on the market) expand very reliably at their intended impact velocity. How do you imagine the 115 grain JHP 9x19 +P load, 125 grain JHP .357 load, 155 grain JHP .40 S&W load, and 230 grain JHP .45 ACP loads earned those outstanding 90%+ one shot stop records in the real world? In a sentence: due to the consistent performance of their JHP bullets.
The famous 125 grain .357 JHP bullet, the most effective one shot stopper of all handgun loads, penetrates 13.25" in ordinance gelatin and produces a football shaped stretch cavity. This is how the very best bullets perform. And bullet performance has a great effect on stopping power.
For example, the .40 S&W has higher one shot stop percentages in the real world than the 10mm Auto. Yet both use exactly the same caliber bullets, and the 10mm Lite load has exactly the same velocity as the .40 S&W. What gives?
The difference is a function of the terminal performance of the bullets involved. The FBI adopted the 10mm Lite load and became the main driving force behind 10mm load development. The FBI protocol calls for more penetration, and therefore less expansion, than is desirable to maximize stopping power in most shooting situations. They are more concerned about shooting through car doors, barricades, and so forth than putting criminals down with one shot in the typical frontal shooting situation that homeowners and civilians are most likely to face. The FBI essentially wanted ammunition designed for extended gun battles with perps hiding behind cover, and that is what they got. But as a result most 10mm ammo has less actual stopping power than the lighter, faster expanding bullets used in the best .40 S&W loads.
I wrote this article, not as a diatribe against big bore handguns (indeed, some of them--using JHP bullets--are near the top of the stopping power list), but because I have grown weary of hearing and reading the same old misinformation endlessly repeated. My opinion is no better than anyone else's unless it correlates with reality. Read the actual studies, not what others say about the studies, and decide for yourself. For those concerned with the problem, handgun stopping power is too important a subject to be left to urban legend.

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I would rather have the extra rounds in the gun. My glock 23 holds 15 rounds of 40 plus 1 in the pipe, while still maintaining its compact shape. The .05 on an inch is not worth worrying about. I do own a 45, and like it. I just would rather have a "better" round. some say its a compramise, i see it as the curent best next to 10mm and 400 corbon.

ETA: one last thing, if I had a 45 in one hand and a 40 in the other, What round would you rather be shot with?

for me, personally, neither. I dont want to be shot at all

not_possible · 11-02-2007, 03:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR

NotPossible:
I like your choice of ammo. Gold dots are one of my favorites to carry.

yea i like em, to date i haven't had one problem with em. have u tried federal hydra shocks...if so how u like em? i thought about gettin a box, but just went with the speer. on a side note, i got 50rds of pmc bronze...i've never tried it before. when i was doin the transfer for the beretta i went to the one gun store here in town for the first time and he said the fee would be 30 and i was bustin his balls tellin him i could have done it for $20 at the place i usually go and he said well how bout if i give you 50rds and he gave me the pmc.

nightrider05 · 11-02-2007, 04:09 AM

Great info so far! Nice to see other firearm freaks! Right now I only have a few guns, but am looking to purchase a pistol as soon as I figure out exactly what I want. My list of firearms I have is as follows:

Remington 870 Police Magnum
Baretta CX4 Storm 9mm-Extremely fun gun and very tactical
Remington .17 HMR Rifle- Fun target gun but rounds are expensive

nater006 · 11-02-2007, 08:14 AM

Okay, that excerpt toots the .40 S&W horn just fine... but doesn't say anything about the .45 ACP - only about how the .40 S&W is better than a 10mm. Muzzle velocity is important but in a home defense situation, the ft/lb delivery and ability of the round to deliver the maximum ft/lb delivery by not passing through the person (e.g., why .44 Magnum and .357 Magnum are not good defense rounds) are the important items. Now, over a distance, the .40 S&W would definitely be my first choice.... but for defense situations, you're not shooting over a distance. hehehe...

Keep in mind you are not comparing apples to apples with these firearms, either. You are comparing a compact Glock with a subcompact Glock. If they made a compact version of the .45 ACP, it would likely hold 12-14 rounds in it also while maintaining the existing characteristics. I definitely prefer the subcompact, and the .40 version of that will only fit a couple more rounds at best with aftermarket magazines. Stock, it fits 9. Even if it fit 12, that's not enough to make me choose it over a .45 ACP.

Anyway, just my $.02. I have nothing against the .40 S&W but do not believe it superior to the .45 ACP for a defense situation.

For home defense, I'd take a 12 gauge shotgun anyday...

but, I digress.

10-31-2007, 01:34 AM	#1
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	The New Firearm Thread This is the new firearms thread. The purpose of this thread is for people to be able to ask questions and get good answers. CevJuans-Packin Heat' thread was getting too long and had 978 posts. Its time for a new one. With John's blessing a new one has been created. Rules for this thread go as follows. Picture posting- Must be in good taste. We want to reflect positivly on firearms owners and mini truckers. DO NOT post "gangsta" style photos. They are not wanted nor welcome here. You are more than welcome to tastefully show off your firearm collection. Use good judgement. Posting of illigal firearms won't be tollerated be me or anyone else here. Derogitory or un-needed comments are not welcome. (EX-pictures of a baseball bat.) This shows that the poster doesnt seem to either understand the difference between a firearms and sports equiptment. I Am a minitrucker and a firearms enthusiast. I have a very good knowledge on firearms in general, I like to be able to help people. Ask a question and I will give you the best answer I can. There are other board members here who also like firearms. They will also be more than willing to help/make comments/give opinions. if you ask for an opinion type question, be prepared for an opinion type answer. I own a few interesting firearms. A few rifles, pistols and shotguns. I enjoy shooting "tactical" style firearms more than other. I have also worked in a gun shop for awhile, though not anymore. I do have friends that are Machingun/silencer manufactures i am very up to date on most laws and regulations, I do not clam to be a lawyer, and will never claim to be a lawyer. If you need major legal council seek a lawyer. If you want plain ol' advice, i will give it. just remember its worth what you paid for it. The 4 rules of firearms. RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET *RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED* There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance. *All guns are always loaded - period!* This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!" *RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY* Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.) *Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET* Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger. *RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET* Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing. *SUMMARY:* Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent? Excerpted from: The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644, $40 ETA: I am an asshole, if you post something stupid, I will tell you how it is, weather you like it or not. Remeber there are no DUMB questions here. All honest questions will be answered. Antagonising questions will not be tolerated. Last edited by GETNLWR : 10-31-2007 at 01:48 AM.
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10-31-2007, 01:36 AM	#2
01EXT Po-Po User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,037 Location: Cartersville, Georgia User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread good way to start this off gentlwar
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10-31-2007, 01:37 AM	#3
Bama Roll Tide Age: 20 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,717 Location: Citronelle, AL and Hattiesburg, MS User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread great info there
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10-31-2007, 01:49 AM	#4
01EXT Po-Po User Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,037 Location: Cartersville, Georgia User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light
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10-31-2007, 02:10 AM	#5
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light I do own a Glock 23. I do have a light for it too. It doesnt get used much anymore, it was kind of a novelty that wore off quickly. I own a Streamlight M3. it works well and would reccomend it to anyone lookng for a Light that attaches quickly and activates with the flick of a finger. It offers a momentary on and a regular ON. One of my firends has a Streamlight TLR-1. it is a VERY NICE little light, my only complaint is how long it takes to attach. it requires tightening a screw whlie holding it in place. The M3 however is a snap on, and just as fast to remove. As for lasers... I Dont suggest one that is in the place of the guide rod. the guide ro is constantly moving and will not keep its ZERO. The guide rod is also placed under an EXTREME amount of force under the firing of the weapon. The Batterys are also VERY EXPENSIVE and dont last very long. Activation of the Guide rod lasers are typically not very easy. I would rather see you pick up a set of crimson trace laser grips. They activate when you tighten your grip and run off a very common battery the cr2032. The batterys also have a fairly long useful life. pics... the TLR-1 The M3 The Crimson trace lager grips on a GLOCK 22
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10-31-2007, 02:17 AM	#6
S-10Driver Trackside Support Vehicle Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,844 Location: Warner Robins, GA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread those are 4 very good rules to live by. I can't stand how some people hold/carry and portray firearms in the media. If proper gun techniques were used and the guns were used to serve, their purpose, maybe more youths would have a better understanding of how firearms are to be properly used in the world today. right now i currently only own one gun, a '75 Remington model 1100 12 Ga. shotgun. after college I'd like to begin searching for a good pistol.
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10-31-2007, 02:34 AM	#7
556mm &amp;lt;3 redheads Age: 27 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 25,730 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread great thread. i don't have anything to say right now but i'm sure in the future i will.
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10-31-2007, 07:53 AM	#8
BrutalDime The Forum Bitch Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,497 Location: Visalia, Ca User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread i posted this in the other thread and go great info... i was in the market for a Mossberg 500 persuader...still want it, but i also heard good things about remmington 12 ga's as well...could you shed some light on which may be a better purchase? i know i def want a 12 ga with nothing longer than a 18" barrel...capable of 3" mag slugs (may or may not use them, i just want the option) its purpose is stickly for leisure shooting and home protection...nothing tactical or competitive
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10-31-2007, 09:50 AM	#9
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BrutalDime i posted this in the other thread and go great info... i was in the market for a Mossberg 500 persuader...still want it, but i also heard good things about remmington 12 ga's as well...could you shed some light on which may be a better purchase? i know i def want a 12 ga with nothing longer than a 18" barrel...capable of 3" mag slugs (may or may not use them, i just want the option) its purpose is stickly for leisure shooting and home protection...nothing tactical or competitive For a decent shotgun I would reccomend one from the big 3 of shotguns, Mossberg, Winchester, Remington. win 1300 defender, mossberg persuader, or 870 police magnum. The police magnum is a different shotgun than what you would find at a sporting goos store. Typically they are only found at gun shops. Its a little better but also a little more pricey. Specs when I get home from work tonight.
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10-31-2007, 02:54 PM	#10
Madkaw_16 Definite Obsessions Age: 28 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 708 Location: K.C. Mo User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Rule V- Always wear ear and eye protection. Other than that, excellent post, and safe shooting.
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10-31-2007, 03:14 PM	#11
BLAZ1N I'm probably drunk. Age: 25 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,651 Location: Miami Beach, FL User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at.
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10-31-2007, 03:22 PM	#12
Ralphie LS2OMFG Age: 25 Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 11,489 Location: Pittsburg KS User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Great way to start the thread. I'll go ahead and post mine up then. From top to bottom: My room mate's Bennelli Nova My 1943 Winchester Model 12 Trench Gun My Bennelli Super Nova
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10-31-2007, 03:27 PM	#13
biggdogg891 Never Forgotten!!!!!!!!! Age: 37 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 463 Location: Indianapolis,IN User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light I have the same glock that you have with the inlayed laser. It is awesome. I love it. would never have any other laser... great start to this thread. I have many guns and I have grown up around guns I will help as best as I can.
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10-31-2007, 03:50 PM	#14
Cruznsten It Has Been Awakened Age: 24 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,930 Location: KENTUCKY User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Great start to the thread! I am a CDWL holder and carry very often. A lot of my friends find it odd, but they are more used to it now. at first they would make stupid comments all of the time, but i think they now realize that i don't have mental issues and it IS a good idea. My carry gun is a S&W lady smith .38 snub nose, hammerless airframe with the crimson trace grips...EXCELLENT CONCEALED GUN! i prefer a revolver just because of the simplicity of everything. I also own a S&W police edition .357 with 6" barrell, youth model remington 20ga., benelli nova 12ga, remington 788 .243 and remington .22LR. I am looking at purchasing a cheap 12ga for home protection in the future, possible pistol grip. any recommendations on those?
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10-31-2007, 05:04 PM	#15
not_possible Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 502 Location: sc User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BLAZ1N What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at. i just recently picked up a used 92fs for $280, i haven't made it to the range with it yet. maybe this weekend if i can find the time, i'll post up my thoughts on it if i make it. and when i get around to refinishing it if i decide not to have it plated i'll try and remember to take progress pics and post em.
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10-31-2007, 05:16 PM	#16
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by BLAZ1N What do you guys think of the Beretta 9mm? My sister's BF is getting a gun soon and that's the one we were looking at. Very Nice Pistol, I am not a large fan of 9mm, though. Two of my friends own them and have nothin but good things to say about them. For a While you could get them for $419 plus shipping at CDNN. If you can find one that is stamped MADE IN ITALY, you may be happier. The Itialian ones were made to a highter quality standard. Quote: Originally Posted by Cruznsten Great start to the thread! I am a CDWL holder and carry very often. A lot of my friends find it odd, but they are more used to it now. at first they would make stupid comments all of the time, but i think they now realize that i don't have mental issues and it IS a good idea. My carry gun is a S&W lady smith .38 snub nose, hammerless airframe with the crimson trace grips...EXCELLENT CONCEALED GUN! i prefer a revolver just because of the simplicity of everything. I also own a S&W police edition .357 with 6" barrell, youth model remington 20ga., benelli nova 12ga, remington 788 .243 and remington .22LR. I am looking at purchasing a cheap 12ga for home protection in the future, possible pistol grip. any recommendations on those? See the same shotguns listed above. REM, Moss, WIN. mossberg makes a really nice bersuader with a door breacher attached to it. I would reccomend getting a stock over a pistolgrip only. It makes it so you can do more with it. (LIKE AIM IT) KNOXX makes a cool recoil absorbing stock with a pistol grip. ETA; its amazing to see how many people are following this thread. Last edited by GETNLWR : 10-31-2007 at 05:22 PM.
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10-31-2007, 05:19 PM	#17
sdime4evr Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 210 Location: Indiana User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread anyone know if you can own a handgun if you have been convicted of a misdemeanor?I got busted for a stupid ass thing last spring and i dont want it to effect my future purchase of a handgun. i have been raised around guns and had a nice selection before the parents split up, so i would ask my dad but he is not around. thanks
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10-31-2007, 05:24 PM	#18
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by sdime4evr anyone know if you can own a handgun if you have been convicted of a misdemeanor?I got busted for a stupid ass thing last spring and i dont want it to effect my future purchase of a handgun. i have been raised around guns and had a nice selection before the parents split up, so i would ask my dad but he is not around. thanks What is the Misdemeanor? it matters. if you dont want to post it PM it to me. I can give you a good answer on this one. most likely no it will not prevent you from owning a firearms. (depending on the charge) i know convicted felons who legally own firarms. (They got their rights restored)
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10-31-2007, 05:34 PM	#19
sdime4evr Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 210 Location: Indiana User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread i sent you a pm
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10-31-2007, 05:43 PM	#20
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by sdime4evr i sent you a pm answered.
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10-31-2007, 05:44 PM	#21
sdime4evr Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 210 Location: Indiana User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread thanks i will check it out
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10-31-2007, 05:59 PM	#22
1s152nv Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 361 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 01EXT Gentlwar, I know you said that you like to shoot more tactical weapons,so i have a question for you. When I get my glock22 for mandate class, i've been contemplating the idea of getting a pressure sensitive laser sight that goes from the handle to the inside and fits where the recoil spring is... have you had any experience with these? or any rail mounted tactical flashlights... I know alot of glock enthusiasts will say that mounting a tactical light onto a glock disrupts the weight distribution of the gun, but i'm not going to be shooting competitvley, so therefore i don't believe having this rail mount light will affect my shooting to the point where i cant hit the vitals on a target anymore at the range for qualifying... so in short... what would your suggestion be for either a laser, or a rail mount light I have a Glock 19 with the crimson trace laser grip. For concealed carry, I think its the best laser out there. Theres no switch to flip, the activation button is on the back and comes on instantly when you squeeze the handle, so its always ready at a moments notice. Its also very easy to install. It widens the grip a little, so if you have small hands it could make it a little harder to reach the mag release one handed, but I personally like the feel of it. A solid, very high quality piece.
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10-31-2007, 06:04 PM	#23
NCarolina910 no more S10 Age: 23 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 17,190 Location: North Carolina User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread I got to posting more often near the end of the last thread, I figured I might as well chime in on this one as well. I've only been shooting for the past 5-7 years of my life as my dad didn't give me my first gun till I was in my teens. I don't claim to be a gun expert at all, but I do know my way around the ones I own and a few of my friend's guns I get to shoot on a regular basis. I'm currently waiting on the background check for my concealed carry permit. I should have it near the end of the year, though I will not be carrying on a regular basis until I graduate college for obvious reasons. I personally have a Stevens 410/.22 over-under, a Remington 870 Express Magnum 12 gauge, and a Glock G26 9mm. I plan on building a Rock River .223 A4 the first of next year.
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10-31-2007, 06:11 PM	#24
nater006 loco hombre Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,455 Location: Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread A few from my collection: Glock 26 w/ a 33 rd magazine (yes, I normally use a 10 rd mag. The 33 is not practical, really - just for fun. No stupid comments please.). I put an extended slide release on as the "low profile" ones drove me nuts. This is much easier for me to hit every time. 12 gauge Benelli Nova pump w/ 28" barrel. It also has a 1/2" extended choke - silver on the end of the barrel. That choke turns skeet to dust Ruger 10/22, heavy stainless target barrel, 3-9x40 optics Walther P22. And my favorite pistol for last. Glock 30. Subcompact .45 ACP. It is definitely my favorite handgun for versatility. This has an extended slide release, but is otherwise pretty much stock. This is essentially the only firearm I use for concealed carry. Last edited by nater006 : 10-31-2007 at 06:17 PM.
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10-31-2007, 06:13 PM	#25
nater006 loco hombre Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,455 Location: Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Here's the 26 again with a standard non-extended (and also no room for pinky) 10 rd magazine. Wonderful carry gun, but the Model 30 has always been my first choice for a nominal increase in size.
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11-01-2007, 01:20 AM	#26
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by nater006 A few from my collection: Glock 26 w/ a 33 rd magazine (yes, I normally use a 10 rd mag. The 33 is not practical, really - just for fun. No stupid comments please.). I put an extended slide release on as the "low profile" ones drove me nuts. This is much easier for me to hit every time. There shouldnt really be any stupid comments for this setup. its a nice little package and the mag may be useful as a "keep in the vehicle spare".
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11-01-2007, 01:48 AM	#27
old_skool_noma ... i dont know? Age: 21 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,245 Location: Heath/Newark, OH User is: Online	Re: The New Firearm Thread me and dads collection, i cant se the pics right now, and i dont feel like pulling them all up, they are in cev's thread
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11-01-2007, 02:10 AM	#28
Chris0nllyn tu-tu guru Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,715 Location: Southern MD User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread i have 2 guns... my left arm and right arm
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11-01-2007, 02:30 AM	#29
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR Rules for this thread go as follows. Picture posting- Must be in good taste. We want to reflect positivly on firearms owners and mini truckers. DO NOT post "gangsta" style photos. They are not wanted nor welcome here. You are more than welcome to tastefully show off your firearm collection. Use good judgement. Posting of illigal firearms won't be tollerated be me or anyone else here. Derogitory or un-needed comments are not welcome. (EX-pictures of a baseball bat.) This shows that the poster doesnt seem to either understand the difference between a firearms and sports equiptment. I am an asshole, if you post something stupid, I will tell you how it is, weather you like it or not. Remeber there are no DUMB questions here. All honest questions will be answered. Antagonising questions will not be tolerated. Remeber this is a serious thread for mature people.
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11-01-2007, 08:11 AM	#30
rmoore911 Registered User Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,122 Location: chillin' with uncle ruckus, no relation. . . User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR Remeber this is a serious thread for mature people. didn't take long, did it?
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11-01-2007, 04:49 PM	#31
nater006 loco hombre Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,455 Location: Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by GETNLWR There shouldnt really be any stupid comments for this setup. its a nice little package and the mag may be useful as a "keep in the vehicle spare". Agreed but you never know who's going to make a comment about holding the gun sideways, "gangsta style" (anybody wonder why they their guns jam? heh) with a mag that big. It is a lot of fun but extremely impractical for carrying...hehehe. It is acceptable for a vehicle mag though - you are 100% correct!
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11-01-2007, 07:22 PM	#32
GETNLWR Completly Useless Truck Age: 26 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,454 Location: Lake stevens WA User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by nater006 Agreed but you never know who's going to make a comment about holding the gun sideways, "gangsta style" (anybody wonder why they their guns jam? heh) with a mag that big. It is a lot of fun but extremely impractical for carrying...hehehe. It is acceptable for a vehicle mag though - you are 100% correct! Not only is it not practical it could also be LEGAL suicide in a court room. Those mags were designed for a gun that isnt legal in civilian hands. In a court room the civil lawsuit against you might use the argument that you were a bad guy who WANTS to kill someone. and 33 rounds is a good way you do it.
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11-01-2007, 07:51 PM	#33
BUCKET RITALIN, IT LOVES ME! Age: 29 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,703 Location: c-view FL User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread nater you know they have a 27 round mag for the 30 model glock. I too carry a g30 as my carry. I purchased an ar-15 today came with a few accessories! I am at work so no pictures
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11-01-2007, 07:57 PM	#34
not_possible Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 502 Location: sc User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread here's a few pics of my 92fs
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11-01-2007, 08:24 PM	#35
nater006 loco hombre Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,455 Location: Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: The New Firearm Thread Quote: Originally Posted by 99 BUCKET nater you know they have a 27 round mag for the 30 model glock. I too carry a g30 as my carry. I purchased an ar-15 today came with a few accessories! I am at work so no pictures Yeah, I've seen the Scherer 25 round mag for the .45ACP Glocks. Kinda impractical, again, but very fun. That would be ultra heavy, filled with .45ACP...man.
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