Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders

350X · 10-30-2009, 02:00 PM

Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders

"Knowing her 7-year-old has had adverse reactions to medication in the past, Kim Lutheran thought she had made it clear she didn't want her son vaccinated for the swine flu.

She signed the "no-consent" portion of the form Oregon City Schools sent home, then circled it with a black marker for emphasis.

To her shock, her first-grader was given the shot when the Toledo- Lucas County Health Department set up a flu clinic Monday at Starr Elementary. When she found out later that day, she said she was livid, not to mention worried for her son Matthew's health."

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...WS16/910290343

"Oregon Superintendent Michael Zalar said school officials were unaware of any other students being immunized without parental consent, an incident he deemed unfortunate.

"All I can really comment on is that the school provided the site for the health department," he said. "We just were a location to assist their vaccination process."

I love how the school sidesteps any responsibility.
We just provided them a place and unsupervised access to the children,
we have no responsibility with what happened to them.

Funny how I can member severing detention for a fight 3 hrs after school was out but since I never went home, [left school on my bicycle but didn't go home right away] And I was still under their control they said. So I served 3 days. [Perrysburgh jr high]

But folks shooting your kids up with drugs during school hours is non of their business, they just provided the place for it to happen?

sonomanator · 10-30-2009, 02:05 PM

micheal zalar was my principal.

***00xtremeninja*** · 10-30-2009, 02:59 PM

health offices commonly use schools as places to get vaccinations. So the school may have OK'ed the place to be there to give shots but not have know who was supposed to or not supposed to get shots.

NorthwestS · 10-30-2009, 03:03 PM

Bummer. She should kick some booty.

98QueS-10s · 10-30-2009, 04:47 PM

damn bet they wont be doing flu shots there again for a while

primerdnoma · 10-30-2009, 04:54 PM

They're lucky no adverse effects happened, there could have been a huge shitstorm.

montec · 10-30-2009, 04:56 PM

I smell multiple lawsuits in excess of billions of $$$'s

well anyway I would be doing that. Figure a good billion each from all parties involve. School, teachers, health clinic, people there giving the shots.

loudnlownoma · 10-30-2009, 05:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 00xtremeninja

health offices commonly use schools as places to get vaccinations. So the school may have OK'ed the place to be there to give shots but not have know who was supposed to or not supposed to get shots.

Even still - not only is the school responsible for the kids while they are there, whether the health dept is doing something or not, they should still have some part of the responsibility, and not be able to just skirt out from under the light just like that. Not to mention, I dunno how it is there, but they have recently done this in our schools here and the permission slips/consent forms for the shots were sent home with kids through the schools. So even if it's being done by a 3rd party, if the school is the one sending out notices and consent forms, seems like they should be held responsible for any problems regarding the consent or non-consent, since it was through them the forms were sent home and collected.

towb3 · 10-30-2009, 05:27 PM

Did it say anything in the article about multiple types of shots being given. Or, was it just the h1n1 shot that was being done? If so, the school taking in the consent forms should have had the kids separated for shot/no shot at least.

Fannatick · 10-30-2009, 05:30 PM

Money money money.....That kid doesn't have to go to college now...

sonomanator · 10-31-2009, 03:50 AM

oh by the way its doctor zalar thats how he adresses him self over the p.a

pack of q tips · 10-31-2009, 04:20 AM

MA is one step ahead
http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html

Kneegra · 10-31-2009, 09:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips

MA is one step ahead
http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html

wow, thats ****ed up

primerdnoma · 10-31-2009, 09:37 AM

Wow, MA is really bringing the hammer down.

supertrucker1978 · 10-31-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by montec

I smell multiple lawsuits in excess of billions of $$$'s

well anyway I would be doing that. Figure a good billion each from all parties involve. School, teachers, health clinic, people there giving the shots.

And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over.

350X · 10-31-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by towb3

Did it say anything in the article about multiple types of shots being given. Or, was it just the h1n1 shot that was being done? If so, the school taking in the consent forms should have had the kids separated for shot/no shot at least.

Just H1N1, they did sayt they will make sure he doens't get it the next round.
As kids need 2 shots weeks apart.

towb3 · 10-31-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips

MA is one step ahead
http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html

Wow, and people want a government run healthcare. I'm just waiting for the "I am being forced to test this treatment or being arrested/fined" thread. I know thats on the extreme end and that........... meh not going to go on the rant.

WhiteXtremeSdime · 11-01-2009, 05:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978

And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over.

Bravo! A well written post that I can almost completely agree with. The problem I have is with the last two sentences. How can the mother be at fault? She knew her child has had adverse reactions to medications and filled out a NO consent form. That means her child is not suppose to be given any medications/ innoculations without her written or oral consent. They made a mistake and gave her child one anyways...yes there should be someone that is reprimended at the school and punished. A law suit is not the answer.
your right that the responsibilities of the parent does not end when the child is in school. But at the same time that school is suppose to protect that child. It's just like taking your child to the hospital, there are certain obligations that the care provider has to do. A parent cant take there kid to school and hover over them making sure that nothing happens to the child it is not feasible. That is what we pay the school staff to do. Now if that child had an adverse reaction causing lasting harm or death then a law suit would be acceptable in my opinion.

01cherryreds10 · 11-01-2009, 05:44 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978

And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over.

Amen. I've been told by some people that the reason that younger people are having allergic reactions and such is because the parents don't introduce it to them until a third party introduces it with the kid. Because the kid doesn't know what it is or their body has never encountered it, they break out in hives and have violent reactions. That's just what I was told. But it seems like younger kids are allergic to alot more than kids born in the 90's.

old_skool_noma · 11-01-2009, 06:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10

Amen. I've been told by some people that the reason that younger people are having allergic reactions and such is because the parents don't introduce it to them until a third party introduces it with the kid. Because the kid doesn't know what it is or their body has never encountered it, they break out in hives and have violent reactions. That's just what I was told. But it seems like younger kids are allergic to alot more than kids born in the 90's.

same here, that and asthma, i was outside all the time playing in anything and everything dirty, i have basicly zero alergies or breathing problems, kids now are so sheltered from anything having to do with dirt or germs that they cant develop a tolerance to it

supertrucker1978 · 11-01-2009, 12:48 PM

All I meant by the last 2 sentances is that the mother could have gone the extra step to maks sure her child didnt get the shot. Since her child is the minority (not getting the shot) she could have kept the child home, could have went and spoke with the teacher to make sure her child didnt get it. Hell, she could have wrote a note on the kids forehead not to give him a shot. I know when I was in first grade and I had a note to give to the teacher, she rarely got it. Maybe thats the case here?

WhiteXtremeSdime · 11-01-2009, 05:10 PM

And my point was she didn't need to take the extra step. She signed a NO consent form that is in the childs file at school. That means that if the school offers any vaccinations or medications they have to contact the parent first. If the parent can't be reached to give oral or written consent the child doesnt get the shot. The school dropped the ball plain and simple. Was it a mistake? Yes. Should she sue? Unless the child has physical damage then no.

350X · 11-01-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime

And my point was she didn't need to take the extra step. She signed a NO consent form that is in the childs file at school. That means that if the school offers any vaccinations or medications they have to contact the parent first. If the parent can't be reached to give oral or written consent the child doesnt get the shot. The school dropped the ball plain and simple. Was it a mistake? Yes. Should she sue? Unless the child has physical damage then no.

Like a field trip slip, no consent no go.

But no consent given for a shot and they are to lazy to double check???

Same as consent form giving them permission to paddle your kids.

They would never paddle first, then check.

supertrucker1978 · 11-01-2009, 06:18 PM

I just have a diffrent way of thinking. Everyone is incompetent untill proven otherwise. Like I said, there was a mistake. If theres a chance that my 7 year old childs health is at stake, Im going to be very proactive

WhiteXtremeSdime · 11-02-2009, 05:04 AM

Understandable. But like I said if your child had a NO consent form filled out but the school did or let someone else do it are you to blame? Are you going to call every five minutes and make sure they haven't given your child a shot? Of course not. You are an adult with other responsibilities besides your child. You filled out the form and that should be all that is expected of you. The school didnt bother double checking, they are at fault....not the parent.

candia79 · 11-02-2009, 08:14 AM

Did anyone hear about this

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/flu-...walk-backwards

montec · 11-02-2009, 09:44 AM

As many schools have said to the kids there....."WE are responsible for you while school in in session so even if you drive to school we are resposible for you even when you leave for lunch or class or even go home. THEY are responsible till you are in your parents custody. They even state that THEY are responsible till your parents get home even if its 9pm @ night and you've been home for 5hrs."

supertrucker1978 · 11-02-2009, 02:26 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime

Understandable. But like I said if your child had a NO consent form filled out but the school did or let someone else do it are you to blame? Are you going to call every five minutes and make sure they haven't given your child a shot? Of course not. You are an adult with other responsibilities besides your child. You filled out the form and that should be all that is expected of you. The school didnt bother double checking, they are at fault....not the parent.

Im not saying she should have called every 5 min, nor am I saying she is completely at fault. Im saying that with the kid being only 7 maybe if this was so hazardous to her child to get she should have taken extra steps. Call the school, talk to a person instead of relying on a 7 year old to make sure the note got to whoever it needed to get to.

comics22 · 11-02-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by old_skool_noma

same here, that and asthma, i was outside all the time playing in anything and everything dirty, i have basicly zero alergies or breathing problems, kids now are so sheltered from anything having to do with dirt or germs that they cant develop a tolerance to it

haha yea, ever eat a sandwich on a lunch break after youve been working on your truck all morning? can wash 50X but id be damned as soon as my cleanish hands touch white bread it gets dirty but i eat it anyways

i was always playin in the dirt outside too, i usually got my once a year warm to cold snap cough for a few days but thats it. (havent this year or last tho...)

I blame germX / purell shit. i remember our teacher made us clean our hands with purel crap before we could touch the computer keyboards...

now alergies can develop later in life so you may be fine now but later on could develop one. My dad said he never had alergies growing up till he hit 26 then was allergic bad to pollen and ragweed....

350X · 11-03-2009, 03:01 AM

I know its good but how your body learns to defend itself against germs is by taking them in.

Hand washing has to hinder some of those bennfits.
[Though Elton John should use some Purell before playing with mineshaft weiners. was on news that he caught ecoli AKA poop.]

They say it why kids want to pick their nose n eat it.
Your hard wires to want to take in crap for defense and boogers do just that.
Grab all kinda of nasty stuff so ya don't breath it but by digestion some can be learned for defence.

If people never evolved into what we are now, we would all be smelly nose pickers that would attract not repel the ladies.

WhiteXtremeSdime · 11-03-2009, 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978

Im not saying she should have called every 5 min, nor am I saying she is completely at fault. Im saying that with the kid being only 7 maybe if this was so hazardous to her child to get she should have taken extra steps. Call the school, talk to a person instead of relying on a 7 year old to make sure the note got to whoever it needed to get to.

I have to ask, do you have children? If so are you involved with the enrollment of your child at school, or does your wife handle that part? I'm curious because every year that I have enrolled my son in school they hand you a packet that has all these forms you have to fill out. They have one about fieldtrip consents, medication/allergy lists, contact info, consent to use the childs pic in the yearbook, or for school flyers. They also include the consent letter for allowing the child to be given medications and vaccinations. This packet is turned in on the day of enrollment, before school even starts. This is not a report card that the child is responsible for having signed and returning it. This is all the crap to cover the schools ass and to keep it from getting sued if something happens to your child. That way if the kid does something they weren't suppose too its not on the school or district.

Should this school be sued? No. Just like you said, there was no harm done to the child, but they do need to pay closer attention to the paperwork that THEY issue under enrollment. Their mistake for not reviewing the files does leave them open for a law suit. I'm not a sue happy person, but I can garuntee if my son was given medication or a vaccine that I did not authorize and my son suffered permanent and lasting damage, or worse every S.O.B involved would be living in a cardboard box. If I didnt put them six feet under first.

montec · 11-03-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime

This is all the crap to cover the schools ass and to keep it from getting sued if something happens to your child. That way if the kid does something they weren't suppose too its not on the school or district.

Should this school be sued? No. Just like you said, there was no harm done to the child, but they do need to pay closer attention to the paperwork that THEY issue under enrollment. Their mistake for not reviewing the files does leave them open for a law suit. I'm not a sue happy person, but I can garuntee if my son was given medication or a vaccine that I did not authorize and my son suffered permanent and lasting damage, or worse every S.O.B involved would be living in a cardboard box. If I didnt put them six feet under first.

I agree, but I am not one to sue but in an instance like this we may not know what damage was done @ that young age till the child is an adult, by then the statute of limitations is gone and your screwed.

I have just had my first child and if anyone dared anything they would get a bullet without even asking questions. I live by a rule dont do shite unless your prepared for the consequences. Should there be a lawsuit I'd say yes but for $$$ amount, I would go for every decendent of those involved would be living in a dumpster for their lives, but thats just me. @least with a lawsuit other schools will take notice, as there have been more kids then just this one that has had this happen.

10-30-2009, 02:00 PM	#1
350X Matt Smith Age: 37 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 321 Location: NW Ohio User is: OffLine	Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders "Knowing her 7-year-old has had adverse reactions to medication in the past, Kim Lutheran thought she had made it clear she didn't want her son vaccinated for the swine flu. She signed the "no-consent" portion of the form Oregon City Schools sent home, then circled it with a black marker for emphasis. To her shock, her first-grader was given the shot when the Toledo- Lucas County Health Department set up a flu clinic Monday at Starr Elementary. When she found out later that day, she said she was livid, not to mention worried for her son Matthew's health." http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...WS16/910290343 "Oregon Superintendent Michael Zalar said school officials were unaware of any other students being immunized without parental consent, an incident he deemed unfortunate. "All I can really comment on is that the school provided the site for the health department," he said. "We just were a location to assist their vaccination process." I love how the school sidesteps any responsibility. We just provided them a place and unsupervised access to the children, we have no responsibility with what happened to them. Funny how I can member severing detention for a fight 3 hrs after school was out but since I never went home, [left school on my bicycle but didn't go home right away] And I was still under their control they said. So I served 3 days. [Perrysburgh jr high] But folks shooting your kids up with drugs during school hours is non of their business, they just provided the place for it to happen?
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10-30-2009, 02:05 PM	#2
sonomanator falcon powered. Age: 20 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,591 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders micheal zalar was my principal.
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10-30-2009, 02:59 PM	#3
*00xtremeninja* Mega Man 2 Mod Age: 24 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,671 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders health offices commonly use schools as places to get vaccinations. So the school may have OK'ed the place to be there to give shots but not have know who was supposed to or not supposed to get shots.
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10-30-2009, 03:03 PM	#4
NorthwestS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 147 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Bummer. She should kick some booty.
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10-30-2009, 04:47 PM	#5
98QueS-10s I ask Questions Age: 21 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 876 Location: Americus, GA User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders damn bet they wont be doing flu shots there again for a while
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10-30-2009, 04:54 PM	#6
primerdnoma doored Age: 22 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,726 Location: Pen Argyl, PA User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders They're lucky no adverse effects happened, there could have been a huge shitstorm.
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10-30-2009, 04:56 PM	#7
montec Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,104 Location: North Dakota User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders I smell multiple lawsuits in excess of billions of $$$'s well anyway I would be doing that. Figure a good billion each from all parties involve. School, teachers, health clinic, people there giving the shots. Last edited by montec : 10-30-2009 at 04:59 PM.
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10-30-2009, 05:21 PM	#8
loudnlownoma Insert catchy saying here Age: 27 Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,304 Location: Chesapeake, VA/Edenton, NC User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by 00xtremeninja health offices commonly use schools as places to get vaccinations. So the school may have OK'ed the place to be there to give shots but not have know who was supposed to or not supposed to get shots. Even still - not only is the school responsible for the kids while they are there, whether the health dept is doing something or not, they should still have some part of the responsibility, and not be able to just skirt out from under the light just like that. Not to mention, I dunno how it is there, but they have recently done this in our schools here and the permission slips/consent forms for the shots were sent home with kids through the schools. So even if it's being done by a 3rd party, if the school is the one sending out notices and consent forms, seems like they should be held responsible for any problems regarding the consent or non-consent, since it was through them the forms were sent home and collected.
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10-30-2009, 05:27 PM	#9
towb3 Ehhh! Age: 27 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,394 Location: Belleville, IL/St.Louis User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Did it say anything in the article about multiple types of shots being given. Or, was it just the h1n1 shot that was being done? If so, the school taking in the consent forms should have had the kids separated for shot/no shot at least.
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10-30-2009, 05:30 PM	#10
Fannatick Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 882 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Money money money.....That kid doesn't have to go to college now...
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10-31-2009, 03:50 AM	#11
sonomanator falcon powered. Age: 20 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,591 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders oh by the way its doctor zalar thats how he adresses him self over the p.a
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10-31-2009, 04:20 AM	#12
pack of q tips Founding member of DA Age: 27 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,984 Location: massachusetts User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders MA is one step ahead http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html
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10-31-2009, 09:25 AM	#13
Kneegra SRH Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 491 Location: anderson, in User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips MA is one step ahead http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html wow, thats ****ed up
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10-31-2009, 09:37 AM	#14
primerdnoma doored Age: 22 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,726 Location: Pen Argyl, PA User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Wow, MA is really bringing the hammer down.
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10-31-2009, 10:44 AM	#15
supertrucker1978 She Does?!?!?! Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,380 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by montec I smell multiple lawsuits in excess of billions of $$$'s well anyway I would be doing that. Figure a good billion each from all parties involve. School, teachers, health clinic, people there giving the shots. And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over.
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10-31-2009, 06:15 PM	#16
350X Matt Smith Age: 37 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 321 Location: NW Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by towb3 Did it say anything in the article about multiple types of shots being given. Or, was it just the h1n1 shot that was being done? If so, the school taking in the consent forms should have had the kids separated for shot/no shot at least. Just H1N1, they did sayt they will make sure he doens't get it the next round. As kids need 2 shots weeks apart.
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10-31-2009, 06:20 PM	#17
towb3 Ehhh! Age: 27 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,394 Location: Belleville, IL/St.Louis User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips MA is one step ahead http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.com/20...achusetts.html Wow, and people want a government run healthcare. I'm just waiting for the "I am being forced to test this treatment or being arrested/fined" thread. I know thats on the extreme end and that........... meh not going to go on the rant.
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11-01-2009, 05:29 AM	#18
WhiteXtremeSdime Anybody got a Band-aid? Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,786 Location: Harrisonville, MO User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978 And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over. Bravo! A well written post that I can almost completely agree with. The problem I have is with the last two sentences. How can the mother be at fault? She knew her child has had adverse reactions to medications and filled out a NO consent form. That means her child is not suppose to be given any medications/ innoculations without her written or oral consent. They made a mistake and gave her child one anyways...yes there should be someone that is reprimended at the school and punished. A law suit is not the answer. your right that the responsibilities of the parent does not end when the child is in school. But at the same time that school is suppose to protect that child. It's just like taking your child to the hospital, there are certain obligations that the care provider has to do. A parent cant take there kid to school and hover over them making sure that nothing happens to the child it is not feasible. That is what we pay the school staff to do. Now if that child had an adverse reaction causing lasting harm or death then a law suit would be acceptable in my opinion.
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11-01-2009, 05:44 AM	#19
01cherryreds10 Former S10 enthusiast Age: 19 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,639 Location: Illinois User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978 And this is one of the reasons why this country is going down hill. Stop and think, Do you complain about yout taxes? Where do schools get there money? From the tax paying public. Where does the payroll from teachers come from?? Taxpayers. Ever complain about your health care costs? Where do you think they get their money? They charge the public for their services. If they need to absorb the cost of higher insurance it gets put on the customers. Yes, a mistake was made. There should be repremands (sp?) But billions and billions of dollars? The kid didnt get sick or died. Every one involved (but the child) made mistakes. Even the mother is at fault. Just because your child goes to school doesnt mean your responsability is over. Amen. I've been told by some people that the reason that younger people are having allergic reactions and such is because the parents don't introduce it to them until a third party introduces it with the kid. Because the kid doesn't know what it is or their body has never encountered it, they break out in hives and have violent reactions. That's just what I was told. But it seems like younger kids are allergic to alot more than kids born in the 90's.
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11-01-2009, 06:37 AM	#20
old_skool_noma ... i dont know? Age: 21 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,244 Location: Heath/Newark, OH User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by 01cherryreds10 Amen. I've been told by some people that the reason that younger people are having allergic reactions and such is because the parents don't introduce it to them until a third party introduces it with the kid. Because the kid doesn't know what it is or their body has never encountered it, they break out in hives and have violent reactions. That's just what I was told. But it seems like younger kids are allergic to alot more than kids born in the 90's. same here, that and asthma, i was outside all the time playing in anything and everything dirty, i have basicly zero alergies or breathing problems, kids now are so sheltered from anything having to do with dirt or germs that they cant develop a tolerance to it
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11-01-2009, 12:48 PM	#21
supertrucker1978 She Does?!?!?! Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,380 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders All I meant by the last 2 sentances is that the mother could have gone the extra step to maks sure her child didnt get the shot. Since her child is the minority (not getting the shot) she could have kept the child home, could have went and spoke with the teacher to make sure her child didnt get it. Hell, she could have wrote a note on the kids forehead not to give him a shot. I know when I was in first grade and I had a note to give to the teacher, she rarely got it. Maybe thats the case here?
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11-01-2009, 05:10 PM	#22
WhiteXtremeSdime Anybody got a Band-aid? Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,786 Location: Harrisonville, MO User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders And my point was she didn't need to take the extra step. She signed a NO consent form that is in the childs file at school. That means that if the school offers any vaccinations or medications they have to contact the parent first. If the parent can't be reached to give oral or written consent the child doesnt get the shot. The school dropped the ball plain and simple. Was it a mistake? Yes. Should she sue? Unless the child has physical damage then no.
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11-01-2009, 06:03 PM	#23
350X Matt Smith Age: 37 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 321 Location: NW Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime And my point was she didn't need to take the extra step. She signed a NO consent form that is in the childs file at school. That means that if the school offers any vaccinations or medications they have to contact the parent first. If the parent can't be reached to give oral or written consent the child doesnt get the shot. The school dropped the ball plain and simple. Was it a mistake? Yes. Should she sue? Unless the child has physical damage then no. Like a field trip slip, no consent no go. But no consent given for a shot and they are to lazy to double check??? Same as consent form giving them permission to paddle your kids. They would never paddle first, then check.
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11-01-2009, 06:18 PM	#24
supertrucker1978 She Does?!?!?! Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,380 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders I just have a diffrent way of thinking. Everyone is incompetent untill proven otherwise. Like I said, there was a mistake. If theres a chance that my 7 year old childs health is at stake, Im going to be very proactive
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11-02-2009, 05:04 AM	#25
WhiteXtremeSdime Anybody got a Band-aid? Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,786 Location: Harrisonville, MO User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Understandable. But like I said if your child had a NO consent form filled out but the school did or let someone else do it are you to blame? Are you going to call every five minutes and make sure they haven't given your child a shot? Of course not. You are an adult with other responsibilities besides your child. You filled out the form and that should be all that is expected of you. The school didnt bother double checking, they are at fault....not the parent.
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11-02-2009, 08:14 AM	#26
candia79 Registered User Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 163 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Did anyone hear about this http://www.nowpublic.com/health/flu-...walk-backwards
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11-02-2009, 09:44 AM	#27
montec Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,104 Location: North Dakota User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders As many schools have said to the kids there....."WE are responsible for you while school in in session so even if you drive to school we are resposible for you even when you leave for lunch or class or even go home. THEY are responsible till you are in your parents custody. They even state that THEY are responsible till your parents get home even if its 9pm @ night and you've been home for 5hrs."
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11-02-2009, 02:26 PM	#28
supertrucker1978 She Does?!?!?! Age: 31 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,380 Location: MN User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime Understandable. But like I said if your child had a NO consent form filled out but the school did or let someone else do it are you to blame? Are you going to call every five minutes and make sure they haven't given your child a shot? Of course not. You are an adult with other responsibilities besides your child. You filled out the form and that should be all that is expected of you. The school didnt bother double checking, they are at fault....not the parent. Im not saying she should have called every 5 min, nor am I saying she is completely at fault. Im saying that with the kid being only 7 maybe if this was so hazardous to her child to get she should have taken extra steps. Call the school, talk to a person instead of relying on a 7 year old to make sure the note got to whoever it needed to get to.
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11-02-2009, 09:11 PM	#29
comics22 Pac is a hackin! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,124 Location: Middle of freakin IL User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by old_skool_noma same here, that and asthma, i was outside all the time playing in anything and everything dirty, i have basicly zero alergies or breathing problems, kids now are so sheltered from anything having to do with dirt or germs that they cant develop a tolerance to it haha yea, ever eat a sandwich on a lunch break after youve been working on your truck all morning? can wash 50X but id be damned as soon as my cleanish hands touch white bread it gets dirty but i eat it anyways i was always playin in the dirt outside too, i usually got my once a year warm to cold snap cough for a few days but thats it. (havent this year or last tho...) I blame germX / purell shit. i remember our teacher made us clean our hands with purel crap before we could touch the computer keyboards... now alergies can develop later in life so you may be fine now but later on could develop one. My dad said he never had alergies growing up till he hit 26 then was allergic bad to pollen and ragweed....
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11-03-2009, 03:01 AM	#30
350X Matt Smith Age: 37 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 321 Location: NW Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders I know its good but how your body learns to defend itself against germs is by taking them in. Hand washing has to hinder some of those bennfits. [Though Elton John should use some Purell before playing with mineshaft weiners. was on news that he caught ecoli AKA poop.] They say it why kids want to pick their nose n eat it. Your hard wires to want to take in crap for defense and boogers do just that. Grab all kinda of nasty stuff so ya don't breath it but by digestion some can be learned for defence. If people never evolved into what we are now, we would all be smelly nose pickers that would attract not repel the ladies.
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11-03-2009, 12:19 PM	#31
WhiteXtremeSdime Anybody got a Band-aid? Age: 29 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,786 Location: Harrisonville, MO User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by supertrucker1978 Im not saying she should have called every 5 min, nor am I saying she is completely at fault. Im saying that with the kid being only 7 maybe if this was so hazardous to her child to get she should have taken extra steps. Call the school, talk to a person instead of relying on a 7 year old to make sure the note got to whoever it needed to get to. I have to ask, do you have children? If so are you involved with the enrollment of your child at school, or does your wife handle that part? I'm curious because every year that I have enrolled my son in school they hand you a packet that has all these forms you have to fill out. They have one about fieldtrip consents, medication/allergy lists, contact info, consent to use the childs pic in the yearbook, or for school flyers. They also include the consent letter for allowing the child to be given medications and vaccinations. This packet is turned in on the day of enrollment, before school even starts. This is not a report card that the child is responsible for having signed and returning it. This is all the crap to cover the schools ass and to keep it from getting sued if something happens to your child. That way if the kid does something they weren't suppose too its not on the school or district. Should this school be sued? No. Just like you said, there was no harm done to the child, but they do need to pay closer attention to the paperwork that THEY issue under enrollment. Their mistake for not reviewing the files does leave them open for a law suit. I'm not a sue happy person, but I can garuntee if my son was given medication or a vaccine that I did not authorize and my son suffered permanent and lasting damage, or worse every S.O.B involved would be living in a cardboard box. If I didnt put them six feet under first.
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11-03-2009, 12:27 PM	#32
montec Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,104 Location: North Dakota User is: OffLine	Re: Oregon mom says son given flu shot against orders Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteXtremeSdime This is all the crap to cover the schools ass and to keep it from getting sued if something happens to your child. That way if the kid does something they weren't suppose too its not on the school or district. Should this school be sued? No. Just like you said, there was no harm done to the child, but they do need to pay closer attention to the paperwork that THEY issue under enrollment. Their mistake for not reviewing the files does leave them open for a law suit. I'm not a sue happy person, but I can garuntee if my son was given medication or a vaccine that I did not authorize and my son suffered permanent and lasting damage, or worse every S.O.B involved would be living in a cardboard box. If I didnt put them six feet under first. I agree, but I am not one to sue but in an instance like this we may not know what damage was done @ that young age till the child is an adult, by then the statute of limitations is gone and your screwed. I have just had my first child and if anyone dared anything they would get a bullet without even asking questions. I live by a rule dont do shite unless your prepared for the consequences. Should there be a lawsuit I'd say yes but for $$$ amount, I would go for every decendent of those involved would be living in a dumpster for their lives, but thats just me. @least with a lawsuit other schools will take notice, as there have been more kids then just this one that has had this happen.
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