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post #1 of 20 Old 11-20-2004, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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3800 series 2 engine swap

has anyone ever hear of anyone doing this, i am trying to find a supercharged 3.8 out of a 98+ buick/pontiac then do the 5 speed out of a firebird or camaro. i think it would be awsome because you could run a small pully around for 12+ lbs of boost and you would still get good gas millage with 250+ hp. i really want to do it and i cant find anyone that has done it yet?


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post #2 of 20 Old 11-20-2004, 03:58 PM
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

Haven't heard of anyone doing it, but if u do it. I WANT TO SEE!!!
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

60v6, will not bolt to a t56 with out a custom bellhousing. and FYI those s/c 3.8 are slow.

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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

T56 is the 6 speed, he said 5 speed. that was standard on all f-body non-LS1 cars, itll bolt up like stock, cuz thats how it came.

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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

Look on some of the Fiero forums, those guys put them in to Fieros all the time. Your idea will work except, the starter is on the wrong side and you have to fabricate motor mounts. The starter issue should be easily curible, by drilling the block on the opposite side or finding a 60 degree bellhousing with the opposite side starter pocket, I think some of the jeeps had them. you might also have to use a S10 trans, since the F-body mounts the shifter about 8" further back and it would end up too far back to shift easily. i'm pretty sure this has been done, if not by a member on this forum, it was by one on another forum.
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

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T56 is the 6 speed, he said 5 speed. that was standard on all f-body non-LS1 cars, itll bolt up like stock, cuz thats how it came.
doh good catch

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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

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60v6, will not bolt to a t56 with out a custom bellhousing. and FYI those s/c 3.8 are slow.
Im pretty sure 3800's are 60* motors. I think theyre 90* motors.

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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

http://www.gmv6.org/ Here ya go... It isn't supercharged or a series II. but it is a 3800

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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

Honestly it would just be easier to buy a supercharger for a 4.3.

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60v6, will not bolt to a t56 with out a custom bellhousing. and FYI those s/c 3.8 are slow.
heh...I don't know what you're talking about, but the s/c 3.8s are quick, and would be even faster in a RWD platform mated to a 5-speed due to less power lost through the drivetrain. Plus, the fuel injection system would be alot more conducive for making power.


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i dont know how much power is lost through a transverse motor and tranny setup, but the longer the driveshaft, the more power you lose.
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i dont know how much power is lost through a transverse motor and tranny setup, but the longer the driveshaft, the more power you lose.
Wha? Why would a longer driveshaft make you loose power? I can see if it's more then once piece, but I can't see it mattering on a 1 piece driveshaft.


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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

erm, maybe it was torque.
i've heard it somewhere. just the more you have to twist, the less power gets there. heard it somewhere, maybe someone else can back up what i've heard. it makes sense if you think about it (least to me it does)
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

hate to burst your bubble but if your going with the supercharger good luck getting an intake on it. The way they are setup the supercharger inlet for the intake points right at your firewall.

just a little s10 with a few engine mods..... thats all
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hate to burst your bubble but if your going with the supercharger good luck getting an intake on it. The way they are setup the supercharger inlet for the intake points right at your firewall.
Well...it would look weird, but maybe it could be done

hmm...who needs a firewall anyway! :sawzall:

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hate to burst your bubble but if your going with the supercharger good luck getting an intake on it. The way they are setup the supercharger inlet for the intake points right at your firewall.
They make a 90 degree adapter to take care of this issue. Also from what I've read it's a 90 degree motor, with a 60 degree narrow bellhousing pattern. Too bad it, it didn't have a 90 degree bell pattern, I could see big block swaps in to FWD GM car, using the transaxle.

Check out these thread, they cover a lot of the issue, with swapping these motors.
http://www.l67swap.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=330
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

i figured i would have to modify the firewall with it, but also i think i will just use my stock tranny and put a build kit in it because you can find a belhousing to fit onto it easly enough and then i wouldnt have to bother with shortning the driveshaft and other b.s. i'll have to look around for the 90 degree piece for it.


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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

but why would you go and mess up your firewall JUST for a v6?

just a little s10 with a few engine mods..... thats all
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Re: 3800 series 2 engine swap

Turbo Trans Am/Buick Grand National has a V6 I wouldn't mind messing up a firewall to use.

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Turbo Trans Am/Buick Grand National has a V6 I wouldn't mind messing up a firewall to use.
but with those you dont have to mess up the firewall.

just a little s10 with a few engine mods..... thats all
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