Project: Metal Head

[Layin'Frame]

very nice work man

[reaper13]

subscribed, i cannot wait to see this all done!

[curt_minke]

Hey,
So ive been designing a cantilever rear clip on my computer over the last couple days to get an idea of what im doing and how (saves the trial and error i would have to go through). So this is what im thinking. I know that it will work on the computer, but what are the advantages...disadvantages etc.....??? I basicly designed it hoping it would be a nice ride. Oh and the wheels are 22's with 30 wall tires...What do u think....................... thanks








And the suspension lifted

[greatdane68]

Wouldn't you need some kind of Panhard bar to keep the rearend from moving side to side? I would try to incorporate that in you computer rendering also to see how it would work with it.

[curt_minke]

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Wouldn't you need some kind of Panhard bar to keep the rearend from moving side to side? I would try to incorporate that in you computer rendering also to see how it would work with it.

ya there is a panhard bar going in. just don't have it drawn yet.

[Oldskool94]

looks badass!

[Nitemare]

that frame is coming out nicely, sweet welds.

did you have the frame measured before you started?

[Oldskool94]

can someone explain to me what a panhard does?

[curt_minke]

pan hard bar connects the links together from side to side so that the rear end can;t sway or slid from side to side. Its hard to explain without a drawing

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did you have the frame measured before you started?

No the frame was near impossible because it was out of square and not right to begin with. I am basicly building it all from what measurements i could take. and making the rest.

[bhaley66]

You should do a watts linkage instead of a panhard bar... just my opinion, i love watts linkages, im definitley doing that on my next project... which will start whenever i get off my lazy ass and finish the one at hand...lol

[SSKJason]

project looks awesome man. its always easier to just cut out all the bad shit and start over again. thats becoming my theory lol

[powdercoater]

looks good man

[bhaley66]

ya also might want the frame boxed in instead of just plates...lol

[sadexcuse4s10]

defenitely watts link

and i'd change the mounting point where the lift lever meetsl the upper link bar. 2 tabs on top of each link bar and a link end on the lever bar would be easier and cleaner looking.

[Driveway Kustoms]

idk id run a watts link on that, just for coolness factor, and matching the canti

[curt_minke]

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ya also might want the frame boxed in instead of just plates...lol

Haha ya i am thats just the waterjet pieces. What i am doing after is using 2 x 3/16 flatbar to box it all in.

Question.
Where can i find a good example of a watts link....

[curt_minke]

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and i'd change the mounting point where the lift lever meetsl the upper link bar. 2 tabs on top of each link bar and a link end on the lever bar would be easier and cleaner looking.

Sorry its not really clear but that is the way its going to be lol. I jsut have a hole on the top bars becasue in the program they bars are all the same. The hole is just for reference.

[GET_LOW]

Quote: Originally Posted by curt_minke

Haha ya i am thats just the waterjet pieces. What i am doing after is using 2 x 3/16 flatbar to box it all in.

Question.
Where can i find a good example of a watts link....

Check out the BBT Fab thread in the bodydroping it section. There is a good one somewhere in there if the pics still work. Its lazer cut so it looks sweet.

What program were you using to draw the setup? Looks nice, i am familiar with Autocad and invetor and am just starting to learn ProE this year!

Can you tell your pinion change through the motion? Cause i am drawing mine up in Inventor and i was wondering if i could cycle the suspension though its motion and figure out my pinion change.

[The Sos]

Awesome work man!!! I came in this thread just in time, I got to see a lot of progress and now it gets really good

[curt_minke]

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Check out the BBT Fab thread in the bodydroping it section. There is a good one somewhere in there if the pics still work. Its lazer cut so it looks sweet.

What program were you using to draw the setup? Looks nice, i am familiar with Autocad and invetor and am just starting to learn ProE this year!

Can you tell your pinion change through the motion? Cause i am drawing mine up in Inventor and i was wondering if i could cycle the suspension though its motion and figure out my pinion change.

Thanks Man,
Ya im using Solidworks 3d. Its very similar to intentor. I have used inventor as well. What i found for the pinion angle is i set my axel in the program parallel to the transmission (or related angle) and then delete the mate. This now allows me to build my links to the axel and not have a mate holding it in place. Then it has a free motion that you can move with the mouse. This also now makes it able to be measured for pinion angle when the axel is up, down, or half way. This might be kinda confusing but im trying. Let me know if this helps.

Other than that i have now drawn in a mock up of what im going to use. THanks to all the comments i am now going to use a custom made watts link instead of a panhard bar. Also changed the cantilever arms. Let me know if anything seems out of wack. Thanks

[The Sos]

I don't know much about this but it looks like the cantilevers may make contact with the bags during motion.

[Oldskool94]

Thats badass. I really like the watts do that not panhard bar.

[powdercoater]

gnarly

[jakefiddlesticks]

Sweet work on your computer. I'd love to see it done.

[Oldskool94]

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I don't know much about this but it looks like the cantilevers may make contact with the bags during motion.

they shouldnt rub because when the bag is completley deflated it has its largest diameter. so there for it should clear.

[curt_minke]

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I don't know much about this but it looks like the cantilevers may make contact with the bags during motion.



they shouldnt rub because when the bag is completley deflated it has its largest diameter. so there for it should clear.

Yes your right. I redesigned a couple parts now that I know they work.

[HeWeR]

looks great man keep up the good work and keep on the updates

[EndlessAuto]

Looks damn near identical with the setup we did a while back...I like it lol. If you do decide to run your bags like that there are a couple things you should keep in consideration!!

[reaper13]

wow, looks good

[bhaley66]

damn lookin good man keep it up...

[kandel123]

that frame was at indy 07

The four-link bars were sick!

[powdercoater]

lookin good man, hey i seen in another thread that you race motocross...where are you located at? you still race?

[curt_minke]

[quote]lookin good man, hey i seen in another thread that you race motocross...where are you located at? you still race?[/QUOTE

Thanks.

Ya Im done with full time racing now but I have my own track so I def didn;t stop riding ha. Its a full size track designed with supercross style sections from the ama circut. Its an awesome track. But ya im up here in Ontario, Canada.

[Slappy McNasty]

werk is completely night and day from beforte til now. definately a killer new design but how tall will your center notch be for your driveshaft be? it looks like almost 8" from where the floor is gonna be....... man i hope my frame comes out that clean

[curt_minke]

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werk is completely night and day from beforte til now. definately a killer new design but how tall will your center notch be for your driveshaft be? it looks like almost 8" from where the floor is gonna be....... man i hope my frame comes out that clean

6.25 in. I have to cut the floor and redo it anyways becuase like the rest of the shit the floor looks like poo. I factored in that I would rather my drive shaft at 0 degrees so my pinion angle will be less up and down, especially because its going to be running 22's.

[Driveway Kustoms]

nice job choosing the watts link, but my only concern with that wicked frame is the back end where those plates hang way down to come in contact with the ground.

1. are those goin to stick below the bed? and 2. when you go on an incline without being fully aired are those going to rub the ground?

[curt_minke]

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nice job choosing the watts link, but my only concern with that wicked frame is the back end where those plates hang way down to come in contact with the ground.

1. are those goin to stick below the bed? and 2. when you go on an incline without being fully aired are those going to rub the ground?

The plates hanging down are actually going to be 1" off the ground when layed out. Then on the bottom of that im going to mount my drag blocks. The blocks when mounted will be ground level when layed out. I don;t think i will hit the groud with them on an incline becasue a) i wont be driving it up major inclines and b) if i do its 6" in the air when its at ride height. So i feel in my personal opinion that i wont have a problem. Good questions though man.

[kandel123]

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lookin good man, hey i seen in another thread that you race motocross...where are you located at? you still race?[/QUOTE

Thanks.

Ya Im done with full time racing now but I have my own track so I def didn;t stop riding ha. Its a full size track designed with supercross style sections from the ama circut. Its an awesome track. But ya im up here in Ontario, Canada.

What do you ride. I need to make a trip up there to ride!
We should get together and ill bring the super kicker!

[kandel123]

double post

[curt_minke]

def man. The guy who built freekstyle mx freestyle jumps used too live right beside the track so we did have a compound at one point lol. Totally have to come up in the spring when the snow F***s off lol..

[GET_LOW]

Quote: Originally Posted by curt_minke

The plates hanging down are actually going to be 1" off the ground when layed out. Then on the bottom of that im going to mount my drag blocks. The blocks when mounted will be ground level when layed out. I don;t think i will hit the groud with them on an incline becasue a) i wont be driving it up major inclines and b) if i do its 6" in the air when its at ride height. So i feel in my personal opinion that i wont have a problem. Good questions though man.

Im gona put mine behing the axle so you can layout flat and then you can drop the ass end and ride cali and get the drag blocks instead of the frame.

[reaper13]

hows this going so far?

[curt_minke]

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hows this going so far?

Build is going pretty smooth so far. I wish i had more time to spend on it. Im finishing alot of the Cad drawings that need to be sent to my waterjet guy so that i can begin the back half soon. After i finish these i wil be redoing the front frame horns.

[kandel123]

very interested. How far are you from the falls? im sure i could get some people to come up with me the Session up there. Hitting all the same tracks around ohio is getting old.

[sonomaguy]

Sweet ride, great work.
*Subscribes*

[curt_minke]

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very interested. How far are you from the falls? im sure i could get some people to come up with me the Session up there. Hitting all the same tracks around ohio is getting old.

about 3 hours from the falls or 3 hours from detroit. www.google.map.ca and search walkerton, ontario. Thats where i am. we have 3 or so local tracks (within 30-45 min away).

[chapdou]

you can't jsut design your cantilevers strong enough to resist to the

axial force??? or can you put the cantilever with some angle to resist to the axial force ???

[powdercoater]

damn yo ive been wanting to come up there for awhile...i really wanna ride at Gopher Dunes. Some of my friends have rode in a couple nationals up there and they said that track gets gnarly ruff

[balistiks10]

wow ok ?'s and comments
loving the work,excellent welds,great ideas
one ? Do you plan on fish plating any of your seams?

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[curt_minke]

So here is the latest update.

Got a new shop so ive been busy moving everything. As of right now no actual progress except for these cad drawings.