Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies!

llorracs93s10 · 09-04-2008, 10:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52

Well, damn, we posted at the same time.

Tell him that there is NO WAY he makes $50 an hour. A SHOP can charge that much but remember he is labor only plus some tools.

Think about it this way. At $50 per hour that means he makes $104,000 a year??? YEAH FREAKIN RIGHT. Try half that. Then give him a few hundred bucks for the "usage" of his tools. Tell him that you'll have to give him a 1099 and he'll be paying taxes on it if he has to get that $50 per hour.

Anyway, like I said above, just negotiate with him calmly. GOOD LUCK!!!

Well see this is the thing, I really dont know if he was just saying it for real, or if he just threw a number out there, because 50 a hour at the 5k he said is 100 hrs....

And i am not complaining at all, just want to clear the air, i am just frustrated that i dont have good enough income to cover w/e the expense will be. He is really nice, he is taking his time, whether i like him to or not,lol, but by all means, I really, REALLy appreciate wat he is doing. With out him i would have a 2k investment still sitting in my shed.

ls1s10onair · 09-05-2008, 08:26 AM

did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute.

HectorM52 · 09-05-2008, 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute.

Exactly.

Obviously you're a young guy - but don't let him push you around because you are young.

Next time you'll know to come up with an hourly rate ahead of time. Then put a CAP on the hours - NOT TO EXCEED XXX hours. That way you don't have this "surprise" happen.

**Draggin88** · 09-05-2008, 09:00 AM

Man, I've been watching this for sometime now. It looks good and I'm glad for you that it's coming to an end!

But Jesus H Christ, 5K just in labor, that dude needs his head examined!
This is a side job, it shouldn't cost more than 2K for the labor.

ls1s10onair · 09-05-2008, 09:15 AM

Kovz · 09-05-2008, 09:26 AM

hotdog has hamburger for brains.

ls1s10onair · 09-05-2008, 09:30 AM

the problem is that people think that their time is worth more than it is..... i really wanna see how this turns out, cuz 5k is by far too much.... you know if i did this job at my shop, and u paid shop time, i dont think it would come to anywhere near 5k, and we charge 90/hr

williambriggs · 09-05-2008, 03:46 PM

holy shit yea **** 5k...

llorracs93s10 · 09-05-2008, 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute.

well today is a new day and i was alittle frustrated yesterday so maybe i was taking a joke to the heart. I mean, i really dont know what he is going to charge. He kids around alot and i dont know when hes playing around vs. being serious. So i dont know. But like i said before, i dont want to make this become a situation that it shouldnt get to. I want to pay him for the job that he has done and not feel like he owns me for life. Because right now, I dont have half of that, and ihave not spent money on anything. I mean anything, i went to the movies twice since this build started and thats been the highlights of me spending money on things other than wat is needed for this swap.

ANd the other reason i dont want to make a big agrument towards hotdog is because i dont want to be the ignorant to him. I am a big Puss when it comes to this. But by all mean s i dont want my whole life savings gone down the drain. I have and i mean it, maybe a grand to my name, and that is absolutely not being touch because i need it for ''emergency'' reasonsn.

**Draggin88** · 09-05-2008, 05:22 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by llorracs93s10

But by all mean s i dont want my whole life savings gone down the drain. I have and i mean it, maybe a grand to my name, and that is absolutely not being touch because i need it for ''emergency'' reasonsn.

Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far.

Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off.

llorracs93s10 · 09-05-2008, 05:27 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Draggin88

Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far.

Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off.

no no, i mean i have a little over a thousand that is my savins....i have maybe around 2000+ give or take a few hundred for labor costs. And i dont make enough to do 200 a week. Or for that matter something that would make a dent in a payment plan.

HectorM52 · 09-05-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Draggin88

Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far.

Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off.

No, he said he had "about half" of what Hotdog quoted.

Then he said he has about a "g" in his "lifetime savings."

I agree that the grammar wasn't so great but I'm 99% sure that's what he's said over the past few posts.

**Draggin88** · 09-05-2008, 05:30 PM

So slap 2 cheese (LOL) in front of him and call it a day.

llorracs93s10 · 09-05-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52

No, he said he had "about half" of what Hotdog quoted.

Then he said he has about a "g" in his "lifetime savings."

I agree that the grammar wasn't so great but I'm 99% sure that's what he's said over the past few posts.

correct. the grand in the savings isnt anyway shape or form a type of moneythat can touched. that is my ''college, savings, emergency, and most improtant MOVING OUT'' money.

I just dont want to short him b/c i dont know what amount is a good amount that says, ''heres a bit more than wat it would cost to do this swap b/c you did a very good job and didnt cut corners.'' But i dont wan tto low ball him and have it like a slap in the face. And i def. dont want to kill my cash flow.

ls1s10onair · 09-05-2008, 11:11 PM

bro, i honestly feel bad for you here, because this is unfair, and i am like you, where i cant argue/bargain with people..... but in all honesty, i put twice as much effort into my lt1 t56 swap (really i didnt mean that in a bad way) and i wouldnt feel comfortable charging someone more than 2 grand.... just to clarify, i meant that i had the motor apart, speed parts, body shop painted the block same blue as truck, body shop painted all accessory brackets, etc. etc., so that wasnt a shot at you at all

llorracs93s10 · 09-05-2008, 11:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

bro, i honestly feel bad for you here, because this is unfair, and i am like you, where i cant argue/bargain with people..... but in all honesty, i put twice as much effort into my lt1 t56 swap (really i didnt mean that in a bad way) and i wouldnt feel comfortable charging someone more than 2 grand.... just to clarify, i meant that i had the motor apart, speed parts, body shop painted the block same blue as truck, body shop painted all accessory brackets, etc. etc., so that wasnt a shot at you at all

no problem dude, your motor is

....Well i am hoping to go over tomorrow and hope the hurricane doesnt f my plans up. so how should i go about talking to him w/o irriatating him? Like i said, i dont want to low ball him.

ls1s10onair · 09-06-2008, 11:07 AM

well, just tell him that u know he spent the time, and the work is good, but that is a little unreasonable (understatement of the century) tell him you were assuming it to be a lot lower....

llorracs93s10 · 09-06-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

well, just tell him that u know he spent the time, and the work is good, but that is a little unreasonable (understatement of the century) tell him you were assuming it to be a lot lower....

ok....I will try it. But i dunno if i will discuss it today or later on cuz i dont want to spend the time now on conversating when we could be building this thing back to its running state. just got off the phone iwth him and hes got the front painted but no clear to go on today due to the rain and humidity. And he is going to try to get the rear frame sprayed tomorrow i believe. But i wil have pics when i go down there.

llorracs93s10 · 09-06-2008, 06:55 PM

well went over today to work on the truck and take a bunch of pix, but found out when i got there that i left the camera on all night and it was dead. So you hvae to wait for pics til maybe tomorrow. But we got stuff done. I cut a piece of sheetmetal and siliconed/riveted the old shifter hole closed. We also got the rear brake lines replaced since they were rusted. And as for tomorrow, the core support, inner fenders, battery tray, steering shaft and the brackets for the radiator support to be cleared. And the rear frame will be based/cleared tomorrow too.

So for whats left to do is:
-bolt on the calipers on the rear while putting new pads in
-connect rear brake hoses
-custom fit ebrake for the rear
-connect P/S lines
-shorten clutch rod and reconnect it
-put front back together and connect radiator hoses
-mount the electric fans
-hook up the last 10% of the Current Perforamnce wiring harness up.
-mount computer in the engine bay
-hook battery back up
-run custom CAI

Quite a bit left to do, but some of it shouldnt be much. I will be able to do the wirring harness, the CAI, the battery, the radiator hoses, ect. And i will let Hotdog do the difficult stuff, lol. But we are still trying to be optomistic about getting it done soon, really soon.

ls1s10onair · 09-09-2008, 08:07 AM

any progress?

llorracs93s10 · 09-09-2008, 08:16 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

any progress?

will know today, havent been there since saturday due to work. but he said the front end is completely cleared and same goes fro the rear half of th eframe. So I hope today is mounting everything back into place including coresupport, a/c condenser, radiator, wheel tubs, and hopefullly the electric fans. And btw, we thought it would look pretty good if we sprayed all the bolts flat black to offset all the glossy black, i media blasted it or w/e its called than he shot them with paint sunday. SO it should be good to go. And i would think we can route the radiator hoses since he said they fit very good.

will have pics this time too, forgot to charge the camera friday night, so thats why no pics of the core support and all painted.

ls1s10onair · 09-09-2008, 08:17 AM

awesome! get some damn pics up here lol

HectorM52 · 09-09-2008, 08:19 AM

How bout progress on the payment situation??

llorracs93s10 · 09-09-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

awesome! get some damn pics up here lol

will do, wont be until late, maybe like 9:30 pm cuz i work at autozone til 2pm, than i head over to the shop til about 5pm, than i have to be at school by 6pm, and thats a long class.

ls1s10onair · 09-09-2008, 08:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52

How bout progress on the payment situation??

lol i was gonna warm up to that question

llorracs93s10 · 09-09-2008, 08:21 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52

How bout progress on the payment situation??

havent discussed it yet. I dont want to stop the progress to sit down and talk. Hes moving at a decent pace and i dont want to mess that up. I will talk to him about it. Definitaly, you can count on it,

llorracs93s10 · 09-09-2008, 09:23 PM

well went over today, got the ebrake all hooked up, rear frame is painted/cleard and same goes for the inside of the fenders, rad support, all brackets and shit for the core and all the bolts are sprayed too. We were busy rigging up the exhaust off the headers so didnt get all the stuff staed above done, but got the core in. Well heres the pics

bolts flat black to go with the a/c box and togo with the CAI i will have flate black

thats it til thursday...hope by than exhaust is rigged up so than we can get the front all assembled so we can start this bitch!

95xtreme · 09-09-2008, 10:48 PM

looking good. Quick question did you ever find out this guys name?

llorracs93s10 · 09-10-2008, 06:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by 95xtreme

looking good. Quick question did you ever find out this guys name?

thanks....i am really happy the rear is about done so we can focus on turnig ths sucka over soon. The rear was really going to be a paint in my ass if we had to wait on it to get this project done, but he went ahead and did the the rear so i am happy. Just need two caliper bracket bolts, brake pads put in and hoses put on and the rear is done!

and i believe its ''Bill''....but i still have it set as Hotdog in my cell..

ls1s10onair · 09-10-2008, 08:27 AM

for some reason, i already did mine, and its still exciting to see someone elses come together.... once again, its looking good

hope it runs as good as it looks.... keep up the good work!

llorracs93s10 · 09-10-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

for some reason, i already did mine, and its still exciting to see someone elses come together.... once again, its looking good hope it runs as good as it looks.... keep up the good work!

well you dont know how much i appreciate someone else that is enjoying what we are tryng to turn this truck into. I am really excited. I just got my Thrttle cable in, my new calipers upfront so i can have them look like the rear, and today at some point, i should have my intake elbow in. But i am not sure what to use for the rest of the CAI, like after the MAF sensor. I was told to not use exhaust pipe due to it would get hot from theengine heat. I am looking to have it do a 45degree turn downward to where the old intake tube connected to the core.

And i am really wanting to here this puppy run....yesterday we went to Autozone and i ddint like what we wre doin, but for right now i have to do it b/c of money. But we were buying exhaust pieces for my exhaust. Ended up buying two 2.5 inch 45dgree pipes to run off the shortys, than we will route 2.5 pipe to the CAT and than its just the same setup that u see in the pics above. It will still sound bad ass in my mind, but its not the ''true duals w/ xpipe'' that i wanted.

llorracs93s10 · 09-10-2008, 03:16 PM

Oh, and two other things, the pics dont do justice with the paint, the inside of the fenders dont look great for somereason in these pics, but they came out really good looking.

And LT1s10, you going to go to drptoberfest? I plan to take this thing there.

llorracs93s10 · 09-10-2008, 05:20 PM

got this in the mail today, just need from the MAF sensor out to the airfilter now

ls1s10onair · 09-11-2008, 08:00 AM

fyi.... the granatelli elbow (pic above) had to be trimmed down a little to fit in my truck..... only a little, but you never know, you might not have to..... and as of droptoberfest, not so sure, cuz im doin a bunch of stuff to the truck now, and im not so sure its gonna be driveable- this summer was such a waste for me

llorracs93s10 · 09-11-2008, 08:26 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

fyi.... the granatelli elbow (pic above) had to be trimmed down a little to fit in my truck..... only a little, but you never know, you might not have to..... and as of droptoberfest, not so sure, cuz im doin a bunch of stuff to the truck now, and im not so sure its gonna be driveable- this summer was such a waste for me

not sure if they are the same, but is the granatelli elbow and trick flow the same b/c this one is the trick flow? And where the hell do you and how do you trim it up? its thinck as hell.

ls1s10onair · 09-11-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by llorracs93s10

not sure if they are the same, but is the granatelli elbow and trick flow the same b/c this one is the trick flow? And where the hell do you and how do you trim it up? its thinck as hell.

wow, that thing is identical to mine lol...... well, i had to trim down the end goin into the tb..... and cut a notch in the connector (cuz it went over the iat sensor)
like i said, u might not have to, but i did mine so it had a little breathing room from the fan

llorracs93s10 · 09-11-2008, 08:33 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

wow, that thing is identical to mine lol...... well, i had to trim down the end goin into the tb..... and cut a notch in the connector (cuz it went over the iat sensor)
like i said, u might not have to, but i did mine so it had a little breathing room from the fan

oh...well we will see i am bringing it tonight to work on the truck. I am going to paint it flat black to offset all the glossy black i have in the bay.

And what would u say to use for connecting the MAF sensor to the airfilter? I was told not to do exhaust pipe due to it would get hot with the engine heat.

ls1s10onair · 09-11-2008, 08:52 AM

not so sure bout exhaust pipe..... its gonna get hot anyways...... lots of people modify f-body intakes

**Draggin88** · 09-11-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by llorracs93s10

oh...well we will see i am bringing it tonight to work on the truck. I am going to paint it flat black to offset all the glossy black i have in the bay.

And what would u say to use for connecting the MAF sensor to the airfilter? I was told not to do exhaust pipe due to it would get hot with the engine heat.

You can use exhaust pipe, just rap it with header tape to keep things cool.

llorracs93s10 · 09-11-2008, 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Draggin88

You can use exhaust pipe, just rap it with header tape to keep things cool.

i am just going to use the half of the camaro intake that goes on from the MAF to the airfilter. It should fit decent.

llorracs93s10 · 09-11-2008, 07:58 PM

went over today and damn, i didnt get home til 7:40pm....thats almost three hrs past the usual. THe reason is we finished up the "temporary" exhaust done. Like isaid, temporary until i have the money for true duals. Well beside that, theres pics of the front calipers painted, pics of the exhaust, and pic of my first time welding....looks like shit but it was my first time and i think its ok. Especially since i couldnt see even when iwas welding, i have shitty eye sight so thats why its goobed at the bottom.

heres my old intake all done, the rails came out amazing for me not knowing wat the hell to do,

and my attempt to weld, lol

but unfortunatley since the exhaust fabing took two days, the original ''saturday'' finish date has been moved back a few days. So we are looking at Wed. next week for completion. For wats left, Hotdog said that the clutch situation is the last ''semi big'' obstacle to do, than its just down hill.

wirrrey21 · 09-11-2008, 08:02 PM

NICE!!!!! it's all comin together nice and slowly. good work.

llorracs93s10 · 09-11-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

NICE!!!!! it's all comin together nice and slowly. good work.

yes it is...Hotdog said soon as the clutch rod is shortened and reinstalled, than its all down hill from there. Just putting back the front parts like wheel tubs, radiator, condensor, steering shaft, ect....So he says weds. now, which i am fine for. As long as its not another week cuz i cant wait!

And just for your information, if it was up to me to do this with my welding ability, i would have sold this bitch a long time ago, lol

ls1s10onair · 09-12-2008, 08:10 AM

dont worry bout the exhaust.... remember, its a chevy v8.... its gonna sound good. when u say clutch rod, do u mean the hydraulic line? i sent mine to classic tube and they made it out of braided stainless.... for free!?!

llorracs93s10 · 09-12-2008, 10:09 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

dont worry bout the exhaust.... remember, its a chevy v8.... its gonna sound good. when u say clutch rod, do u mean the hydraulic line? i sent mine to classic tube and they made it out of braided stainless.... for free!?!

whatever the piece is that sticks out of the firewall that was resting on the header tube. He is shortening that so it sinks into the cab more so it gives more room for it since its a plastic piece in the engine bay.

I dont really know what he is talkin about, but i trust in him and his word since his work hasnt steered me in hte wrong direction yet.

llorracs93s10 · 09-13-2008, 10:24 PM

went over today and we got the exhaust fully bolted and welded on. It was a bitch to get the header collector bolts on with the exhaust though. And besides that, i got the old rotors and calipers off and i put the new drilled=slotted rotors on upfront. also regreased the bearings and put new seals in. Monday i will finish it up and put the new painted calipers on. Now we areshooting for friday to get this thing up and running. But i want it on the ground by tuesday to check out the stance and the look with the new rotors/calipers and the wheels.

556mm · 09-15-2008, 12:25 AM

what wheels are you going with?

llorracs93s10 · 09-15-2008, 06:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime

what wheels are you going with?

i am going to roll on my 16x8 iroc wheels for now. Sinc ei wil be broke from labor charges, i cant upgrade to my 18inch irocs

....its no biggy though, after seeing hte ''polishing zq8'' wheels thread, i think thats wat i am going to do to these. In my dreams, i want the 16s so i can get 295wide out back and use the 18s for daily cruising at like 245 wide.

ls1s10onair · 09-15-2008, 08:00 AM

just a word of advice.... id fire that thing up at least once before putting the whole thing back together- god forbid theres a problem somewhere, u dont wanna have to strip the whole thing down again.... just put oil in it first

llorracs93s10 · 09-15-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

just a word of advice.... id fire that thing up at least once before putting the whole thing back together- god forbid theres a problem somewhere, u dont wanna have to strip the whole thing down again.... just put oil in it first

putting everything like the front end? Dont i need all that shit to make sure it fires up and runs and doesnt over heat?

Well today went over and got the suspension and brakes 100% done!!! oh yeah!!!! And than dropped the truck on all fours to see how her stance is....and than found out that the UCA hits the header. I was told to maybe use a die grinder and grind off watever is in the way. Well any input is welcome like usual, but pics will be up during Eagles/Cowboys half time, so you will have to wait to see it. But if it wasnt for the UCA, i would be in a great mood....GO EAGLES!!

09-04-2008, 10:50 PM	#301
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52 Well, damn, we posted at the same time. Tell him that there is NO WAY he makes $50 an hour. A SHOP can charge that much but remember he is labor only plus some tools. Think about it this way. At $50 per hour that means he makes $104,000 a year??? YEAH FREAKIN RIGHT. Try half that. Then give him a few hundred bucks for the "usage" of his tools. Tell him that you'll have to give him a 1099 and he'll be paying taxes on it if he has to get that $50 per hour. Anyway, like I said above, just negotiate with him calmly. GOOD LUCK!!! Well see this is the thing, I really dont know if he was just saying it for real, or if he just threw a number out there, because 50 a hour at the 5k he said is 100 hrs.... And i am not complaining at all, just want to clear the air, i am just frustrated that i dont have good enough income to cover w/e the expense will be. He is really nice, he is taking his time, whether i like him to or not,lol, but by all means, I really, REALLy appreciate wat he is doing. With out him i would have a 2k investment still sitting in my shed.
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ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute.
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09-05-2008, 08:38 AM	#303
HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 439 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute. Exactly. Obviously you're a young guy - but don't let him push you around because you are young. Next time you'll know to come up with an hourly rate ahead of time. Then put a CAP on the hours - NOT TO EXCEED XXX hours. That way you don't have this "surprise" happen.
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Draggin88 405AWDHP Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,048 Location: With your wife! User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Man, I've been watching this for sometime now. It looks good and I'm glad for you that it's coming to an end! But Jesus H Christ, 5K just in labor, that dude needs his head examined! This is a side job, it shouldn't cost more than 2K for the labor.
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Kovz I RIDE LO Age: 24 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,508 Location: Pittsburgh, PA / Youngstown, OH User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! hotdog has hamburger for brains.
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09-05-2008, 09:30 AM	#307
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! the problem is that people think that their time is worth more than it is..... i really wanna see how this turns out, cuz 5k is by far too much.... you know if i did this job at my shop, and u paid shop time, i dont think it would come to anywhere near 5k, and we charge 90/hr
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09-05-2008, 03:46 PM	#308
williambriggs Registered Abuser Age: 25 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,337 Location: Elkton, MD/Ellendale, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! holy shit yea **** 5k...
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09-05-2008, 05:01 PM	#309
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair did you just say 5000 bucks? if so, he needs some sense slapped into him, cuz that is f**kin ridiculous! i understand the level of work involved, but seriously!? when i do a big project for someone (and i mean during shop hours) i throw hourly rates out the window, cuz it gets unfair..... if you spend 3 hrs. doing something that should take 1, cuz ur bsing, or taking ur time, or making it look pretty, it should honestly cost around 1 hrs. labor, 2 at most... like honestly, thats unfair as hell.... and for him to charge 50 an hr. is nuts.... its a side project! and like said above, he doesnt make 50 an hr..... it should be more like 20 if hes gonna count every minute. well today is a new day and i was alittle frustrated yesterday so maybe i was taking a joke to the heart. I mean, i really dont know what he is going to charge. He kids around alot and i dont know when hes playing around vs. being serious. So i dont know. But like i said before, i dont want to make this become a situation that it shouldnt get to. I want to pay him for the job that he has done and not feel like he owns me for life. Because right now, I dont have half of that, and ihave not spent money on anything. I mean anything, i went to the movies twice since this build started and thats been the highlights of me spending money on things other than wat is needed for this swap. ANd the other reason i dont want to make a big agrument towards hotdog is because i dont want to be the ignorant to him. I am a big Puss when it comes to this. But by all mean s i dont want my whole life savings gone down the drain. I have and i mean it, maybe a grand to my name, and that is absolutely not being touch because i need it for ''emergency'' reasonsn.
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09-05-2008, 05:22 PM	#310
Draggin88 405AWDHP Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,048 Location: With your wife! User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by llorracs93s10 But by all mean s i dont want my whole life savings gone down the drain. I have and i mean it, maybe a grand to my name, and that is absolutely not being touch because i need it for ''emergency'' reasonsn. Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far. Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off.
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09-05-2008, 05:27 PM	#311
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by Draggin88 Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far. Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off. no no, i mean i have a little over a thousand that is my savins....i have maybe around 2000+ give or take a few hundred for labor costs. And i dont make enough to do 200 a week. Or for that matter something that would make a dent in a payment plan.
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09-05-2008, 05:29 PM	#312
HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 439 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by Draggin88 Sorry bud, but it sounds like he maybe keeping the truck. Don't think a 'G' is going to get you that far. Talk to him, see if you can work out a payment plan. Like a 'G' upfront then 200 or so a week or month untill it's payed off. No, he said he had "about half" of what Hotdog quoted. Then he said he has about a "g" in his "lifetime savings." I agree that the grammar wasn't so great but I'm 99% sure that's what he's said over the past few posts.
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09-05-2008, 05:30 PM	#313
Draggin88 405AWDHP Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,048 Location: With your wife! User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! So slap 2 cheese (LOL) in front of him and call it a day. Last edited by Draggin88 : 09-05-2008 at 05:31 PM.
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09-05-2008, 05:44 PM	#314
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52 No, he said he had "about half" of what Hotdog quoted. Then he said he has about a "g" in his "lifetime savings." I agree that the grammar wasn't so great but I'm 99% sure that's what he's said over the past few posts. correct. the grand in the savings isnt anyway shape or form a type of moneythat can touched. that is my ''college, savings, emergency, and most improtant MOVING OUT'' money. I just dont want to short him b/c i dont know what amount is a good amount that says, ''heres a bit more than wat it would cost to do this swap b/c you did a very good job and didnt cut corners.'' But i dont wan tto low ball him and have it like a slap in the face. And i def. dont want to kill my cash flow.
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09-05-2008, 11:11 PM	#315
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! bro, i honestly feel bad for you here, because this is unfair, and i am like you, where i cant argue/bargain with people..... but in all honesty, i put twice as much effort into my lt1 t56 swap (really i didnt mean that in a bad way) and i wouldnt feel comfortable charging someone more than 2 grand.... just to clarify, i meant that i had the motor apart, speed parts, body shop painted the block same blue as truck, body shop painted all accessory brackets, etc. etc., so that wasnt a shot at you at all
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09-05-2008, 11:16 PM	#316
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair bro, i honestly feel bad for you here, because this is unfair, and i am like you, where i cant argue/bargain with people..... but in all honesty, i put twice as much effort into my lt1 t56 swap (really i didnt mean that in a bad way) and i wouldnt feel comfortable charging someone more than 2 grand.... just to clarify, i meant that i had the motor apart, speed parts, body shop painted the block same blue as truck, body shop painted all accessory brackets, etc. etc., so that wasnt a shot at you at all no problem dude, your motor is ....Well i am hoping to go over tomorrow and hope the hurricane doesnt f my plans up. so how should i go about talking to him w/o irriatating him? Like i said, i dont want to low ball him.
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09-06-2008, 11:07 AM	#317
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! well, just tell him that u know he spent the time, and the work is good, but that is a little unreasonable (understatement of the century) tell him you were assuming it to be a lot lower....
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09-06-2008, 12:33 PM	#318
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair well, just tell him that u know he spent the time, and the work is good, but that is a little unreasonable (understatement of the century) tell him you were assuming it to be a lot lower.... ok....I will try it. But i dunno if i will discuss it today or later on cuz i dont want to spend the time now on conversating when we could be building this thing back to its running state. just got off the phone iwth him and hes got the front painted but no clear to go on today due to the rain and humidity. And he is going to try to get the rear frame sprayed tomorrow i believe. But i wil have pics when i go down there.
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09-06-2008, 06:55 PM	#319
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! well went over today to work on the truck and take a bunch of pix, but found out when i got there that i left the camera on all night and it was dead. So you hvae to wait for pics til maybe tomorrow. But we got stuff done. I cut a piece of sheetmetal and siliconed/riveted the old shifter hole closed. We also got the rear brake lines replaced since they were rusted. And as for tomorrow, the core support, inner fenders, battery tray, steering shaft and the brackets for the radiator support to be cleared. And the rear frame will be based/cleared tomorrow too. So for whats left to do is: -bolt on the calipers on the rear while putting new pads in -connect rear brake hoses -custom fit ebrake for the rear -connect P/S lines -shorten clutch rod and reconnect it -put front back together and connect radiator hoses -mount the electric fans -hook up the last 10% of the Current Perforamnce wiring harness up. -mount computer in the engine bay -hook battery back up -run custom CAI Quite a bit left to do, but some of it shouldnt be much. I will be able to do the wirring harness, the CAI, the battery, the radiator hoses, ect. And i will let Hotdog do the difficult stuff, lol. But we are still trying to be optomistic about getting it done soon, really soon.
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09-09-2008, 08:07 AM	#320
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! any progress?
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09-09-2008, 08:16 AM	#321
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair any progress? will know today, havent been there since saturday due to work. but he said the front end is completely cleared and same goes fro the rear half of th eframe. So I hope today is mounting everything back into place including coresupport, a/c condenser, radiator, wheel tubs, and hopefullly the electric fans. And btw, we thought it would look pretty good if we sprayed all the bolts flat black to offset all the glossy black, i media blasted it or w/e its called than he shot them with paint sunday. SO it should be good to go. And i would think we can route the radiator hoses since he said they fit very good. will have pics this time too, forgot to charge the camera friday night, so thats why no pics of the core support and all painted. Last edited by llorracs93s10 : 09-09-2008 at 08:19 AM.
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09-09-2008, 08:17 AM	#322
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! awesome! get some damn pics up here lol
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09-09-2008, 08:19 AM	#323
HectorM52 LT1 S10 Expert Age: 30 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 439 Location: Atlanta User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! How bout progress on the payment situation??
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09-09-2008, 08:20 AM	#324
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair awesome! get some damn pics up here lol will do, wont be until late, maybe like 9:30 pm cuz i work at autozone til 2pm, than i head over to the shop til about 5pm, than i have to be at school by 6pm, and thats a long class.
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09-09-2008, 08:21 AM	#325
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52 How bout progress on the payment situation?? lol i was gonna warm up to that question
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09-09-2008, 08:21 AM	#326
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by HectorM52 How bout progress on the payment situation?? havent discussed it yet. I dont want to stop the progress to sit down and talk. Hes moving at a decent pace and i dont want to mess that up. I will talk to him about it. Definitaly, you can count on it,
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09-09-2008, 09:23 PM	#327
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! well went over today, got the ebrake all hooked up, rear frame is painted/cleard and same goes for the inside of the fenders, rad support, all brackets and shit for the core and all the bolts are sprayed too. We were busy rigging up the exhaust off the headers so didnt get all the stuff staed above done, but got the core in. Well heres the pics bolts flat black to go with the a/c box and togo with the CAI i will have flate black thats it til thursday...hope by than exhaust is rigged up so than we can get the front all assembled so we can start this bitch!
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09-09-2008, 10:48 PM	#328
95xtreme Off Vanning. bbl Age: 23 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,660 Location: Fargo don't ya know User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! looking good. Quick question did you ever find out this guys name?
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09-10-2008, 06:45 AM	#329
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by 95xtreme looking good. Quick question did you ever find out this guys name? thanks....i am really happy the rear is about done so we can focus on turnig ths sucka over soon. The rear was really going to be a paint in my ass if we had to wait on it to get this project done, but he went ahead and did the the rear so i am happy. Just need two caliper bracket bolts, brake pads put in and hoses put on and the rear is done! and i believe its ''Bill''....but i still have it set as Hotdog in my cell..
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09-10-2008, 08:27 AM	#330
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! for some reason, i already did mine, and its still exciting to see someone elses come together.... once again, its looking good hope it runs as good as it looks.... keep up the good work!
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09-10-2008, 03:14 PM	#331
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair for some reason, i already did mine, and its still exciting to see someone elses come together.... once again, its looking good hope it runs as good as it looks.... keep up the good work! well you dont know how much i appreciate someone else that is enjoying what we are tryng to turn this truck into. I am really excited. I just got my Thrttle cable in, my new calipers upfront so i can have them look like the rear, and today at some point, i should have my intake elbow in. But i am not sure what to use for the rest of the CAI, like after the MAF sensor. I was told to not use exhaust pipe due to it would get hot from theengine heat. I am looking to have it do a 45degree turn downward to where the old intake tube connected to the core. And i am really wanting to here this puppy run....yesterday we went to Autozone and i ddint like what we wre doin, but for right now i have to do it b/c of money. But we were buying exhaust pieces for my exhaust. Ended up buying two 2.5 inch 45dgree pipes to run off the shortys, than we will route 2.5 pipe to the CAT and than its just the same setup that u see in the pics above. It will still sound bad ass in my mind, but its not the ''true duals w/ xpipe'' that i wanted.
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09-10-2008, 03:16 PM	#332
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Oh, and two other things, the pics dont do justice with the paint, the inside of the fenders dont look great for somereason in these pics, but they came out really good looking. And LT1s10, you going to go to drptoberfest? I plan to take this thing there.
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09-10-2008, 05:20 PM	#333
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! got this in the mail today, just need from the MAF sensor out to the airfilter now
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09-11-2008, 08:00 AM	#334
ls1s10onair Local Tech Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,488 Location: westwood, nj User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! fyi.... the granatelli elbow (pic above) had to be trimmed down a little to fit in my truck..... only a little, but you never know, you might not have to..... and as of droptoberfest, not so sure, cuz im doin a bunch of stuff to the truck now, and im not so sure its gonna be driveable- this summer was such a waste for me
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09-11-2008, 08:26 AM	#335
llorracs93s10 Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,210 Location: Middletown, DE User is: OffLine	Re: Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies! Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair fyi.... the granatelli elbow (pic above) had to be trimmed down a little to fit in my truck..... only a little, but you never know, you might not have to..... and as of droptoberfest, not so sure, cuz im doin a bunch of stuff to the truck now, and im not so sure its gonna be driveable- this summer was such a waste for me not sure if they are the same, but is the granatelli elbow and trick flow the same b/c this one is the trick flow? And where the hell do you and how do you trim it up? its thinck as hell.
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