Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies!

[llorracs93s10]

alright got a update like i promised for saturday night....its not alot, mostly wat i did but its ready for firewall pounding and frame notching up front. But at this rate, i already kno there is no carlisle for me,

Anyways, heres the pics

started to sand the frame






left side is wat it looked like before i sanded, and right side is after i sanded


fully sanded




front end disassembled....steering shaft came out really well after the degreaser or w/e i used and powerwashing








Like i said, this was only 3 hrs worth of work....so at this rate, engine may not be mocked in til end of next week, ...

[llorracs93s10]

Another update....not much but atleast its done. Got the frame notched for the compressor. And i primed the rear half of the frame. Dont worry about the leafs not being painted or the rear since these are going to be swapped in...



but anyways heres the updates,










Thats all for today. Got a couple things taken care of today though, so hope to have things going in the right direction. First off, with the EGR hose dheliema and now finding out that the air pump tube needs to be connected to the top of the header, I have just made my mind up to send these ceramic coated headers back to JTR and get bare metal ones. Than we will do the mods to the headers for the air pump and the egr hose, than get em coated from a place down here in DE.

So if everything goes according to plan, firewall will be massaged a bit, and the blower box will be modded by saturday. SO saturday will hopefully be the first day for the motor to be mocked in....so please, please, please....everyone cross your fingers, pray, wish.....do whatever it takes to get this to that stage by saturday!!! haha

[V8Blaze]

looks good man, moving along quick

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by V8Blaze

looks good man, moving along quick

not quick enough though, more pix comin tmorrow night...hope they are major changes...like a motor set in there, keep all your fingers crossed please~!!!

[llorracs93s10]

Alright....well got some, but not nearly enough done for my taste today. Got the notch for the compressor in the passenger sideframe completed for good....and got the old pos exhaust manifolds off the motor. ALso got the motor mounts off, not pictured though. But we caught a snag. The newer motor mounts are tricky and it might be dumb, but how do they bolt up? Its either they are not lined up striaght across the motor from driver side to passenger side, or the motor mount on the passenger side hits the knock sensor. Heres a pic of the mounts i got from jtr....what are we doing wrong?

this is the one bracket here....its the newer style brackets, not the ones they show in the book or website. I am lost...please help


And here are the other pics

[wirrrey21]

i'm not really understanding what your describing.....the brackets are side specific so are you sure you got the correct bracket on it's respective sides.

i believe i got the new brackets also on mine, the bigger tabs go on the drivers side cause the motor is offset to the passenger side.

i'll see if i have a pic somewhere just the block sitting in the truck.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

i'm not really understanding what your describing.....the brackets are side specific so are you sure you got the correct bracket on it's respective sides.

i believe i got the new brackets also on mine, the bigger tabs go on the drivers side cause the motor is offset to the passenger side.

i'll see if i have a pic somewhere just the block sitting in the truck.

well how we had it, the part of the bracket that sits flush to the block hit the knock sensor and i didnt know if we were doing something wrong. And i didnt know if the mounts were parallel from passenger side to the driver side or if they were offset either.

[wirrrey21]

ok....well now you know, they're side specific, offset to the passenger side.
now back to work!!!!!!

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

ok....well now you know, they're side specific, offset to the passenger side.
now back to work!!!!!!

thats really wierd...why are they offset and no parallel from driver side to passenger side? nd that means that the driver side mount is farther forward to the front of the motor, correct?

[ls1s10onair]

dont forget, ur prob gonna have to cut the rearward "ear" of ur driver's side upper control arm to clear the headers..... not too much, but u have to remove prob 3/8" around....

[ls1s10onair]

oh yeah, and with the lt1's u might have to notch the pass. side motor mount bracket for the knock sensor..... Good luck!

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

oh yeah, and with the lt1's u might have to notch the pass. side motor mount bracket for the knock sensor..... Good luck!

control arm is no big deal...and ya we ran into that problem with the knock sensor. I was told that i can get some sort of bend tube from a hardware store to clear teh bracket. But if that doesnt work, notching the bracket fr the motor mount is still ok strength wise right?

And birds eye view, should the motor mounts look like this

[ls1s10onair]

im pretty sure thats right with the mounts..... the lt1 uses a different hole on the pass. side i think, so it is offset.... ill check for sure later

what happened to the progress???

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

im pretty sure thats right with the mounts..... the lt1 uses a different hole on the pass. side i think, so it is offset.... ill check for sure later

what happened to the progress???

i havent been there in a few days....was suspposed to be there today, but i got some stuff to take care of. But iwill relay this info to him about the offset mounts.

[ls1s10onair]

you have different mount brackets than i do, but that should be right..... imo, ur better off notching the bracket than adding plumbing for the ks sensor...... it will not hurt any structural integrity

[wirrrey21]

Quote: Originally Posted by llorracs93s10

And birds eye view, should the motor mounts look like this

from this angle, mine sat in line with each other.

when i said off set to the passenger side, i meant the motor wasn't centered over the engine cradle. it favored the passenger side. so if you were standing in front of the truck lookin at the front of the motor, the motor is pushed about 3/4" over to the passenger side.

[wirrrey21]

sorry but these are the best pics i got of just the motor in the truck





u can see the motor mounts directly under that first header tube.

[ls1s10onair]

i didnt mean that they are crooked, they just mount to the block offset..... but the one long mount is shaped so they are even

[llorracs93s10]

well i called him today and he said that he got it. The mounts are more forward than waht i thought they would be, but are fine. He said he didnt see the bolt hole hidden behind the a/c compressor. But that means no mods for the knock sensor...

So hoping and praying again, lol...the headers are bolted on for test fit. Now all we need to do is detach the steering column to fit the headers through it and test fit the motor. So crossing fingers, lol....should have a pic of it in the bay on saturday night.

[wirrrey21]

good to hear ya got it figured out.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

good to hear ya got it figured out.

yup...just got to send back my old ceramic headers i just bought and get my 300 dollars back and buy a new PS pump from summit and it should be ready for test fit Saturday afternoon! Cross your fingers please!

[williambriggs]

damn this thing isnt up and running yet...

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs

damn this thing isnt up and running yet...

well if you were going to help out with it, maybe it would...

[llorracs93s10]

Got another question for both lt1s10onair and wirrey....what did you guys do about your powersteering? I think wirrey when i talked to you that you did way with it...but a guy on the v8s10.org said that i can use this...and it will bolt right up to the orig. lt1 pump, but this one is low pressure so it wont blow my gear box to shreds.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ZOP%2D6175&N=700+ 115&autoview=sku

And wat did you do about the pressure lines since its on the opposite side of the orig. one my old motor had?

[556mm]

cool man nice progress. how much the motor run you and where'd you get it if you don't mind me asking.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime

cool man nice progress. how much the motor run you and where'd you get it if you don't mind me asking.

thanks...the progress coudl be a bit faster, right Briggs, lol......but as for the motor, i got it in Richmond, VA....about 4+ hr drive and it was 2k for the motor/tranny combo.

[556mm]

well i meant where like a junk yard or .... lol i guess i should have clarified.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime

well i meant where like a junk yard or .... lol i guess i should have clarified.

o my bad, its from a guy i was talking to from craigslist...out of his 95 z28.

[556mm]

cool man thanks good luck with everything.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime

cool man thanks good luck with everything.

thanks...i will need it...i wanted it done for carlisle but that is not happening..so next best is for lowrollers and xfest. I just need tomorrow to go smoothly, first day...hopefully, the motor is supposed to be dropped in for mock up and test fit on wat needs to be modd'ed for the motor to sit in ther good. From now on, its about 4 wks til the lowrollers show...so hope to get it done by than.

[williambriggs]

get r done...

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs

get r done...

if i had it my way....it would be...but i know nothing about this shit...so i cant do shit beside take pics,

[ls1s10onair]

i kept my power steering.... if you get a firebird/camaro pressure line it works.... kinda lol.... it needs some bending, but it works...... it bolts right to an s10 steering box, goes under the oil pan and connects to the pump, but ull have to tweak it a lot, and the reservoir is no biggie.... i mounted mine on a small bracket i made to bolt to the fuse box..... (but mines a 2nd gen)

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by lt1s10onair

i kept my power steering.... if you get a firebird/camaro pressure line it works.... kinda lol.... it needs some bending, but it works...... it bolts right to an s10 steering box, goes under the oil pan and connects to the pump, but ull have to tweak it a lot, and the reservoir is no biggie.... i mounted mine on a small bracket i made to bolt to the fuse box..... (but mines a 2nd gen)

well the guy suggested to use the powersteering pump i linked from summit since its a good low pressure pump, same as what my s10 had on the 2.8. And i believe my lines are still on the orig. lt1 pump, but idont think they are going to be long enough to attach to the driver side since its on the passenger side.

[llorracs93s10]

heres the days progress!!!
check out the headers...really cleans the side of the block up vs. the old shitty manifolds








God i could not wait for this moment!






problem, the notch the jtr book said to do is not big enough, crap!




see anything that isnt there? Yup the driver side header would not let the motor go in bolted to it





check out the distance the shifter goes back,










This is not good, this header is very very very close to the clutch master cylinder. How do I get this to not happen?






ANd one random shot....


Again, what did you all do about the clutch master cylinder since the line is plastic and it is plastic also. The header is literally touching it. Though, we did not have the motor 100% in the position we are goign to, so the motor should offset to the passenger side a little bit, but its still way to close for comfort.

[wirrrey21]

pics no workie for me

but as far as the clutch line, you got a couple options.

1)if you feel like cutting and welding, you could move the clutch master cylinder over an inch.

2)or you could buy one of these

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=THE%2D14010&N=700 +4294923290+4294845355+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

these two products slide over the hose, so you'll have to cut them open and zip tie them on. no big deal.

or you could use this which is velcro and waste(i mean spend) an extra $15
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...autoview=sk u

welcome to the wonderful world of customizing. where "Murphy's Law" rules.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

pics no workie for me

but as far as the clutch line, you got a couple options.

1)if you feel like cutting and welding, you could move the clutch master cylinder over an inch.

2)or you could buy one of these

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

these two products slide over the hose, so you'll have to cut them open and zip tie them on. no big deal.

or you could use this which is velcro and waste(i mean spend) an extra $15
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...autoview=sk u

welcome to the wonderful world of customizing. where "Murphy's Law" rules.

damnit! I spent a hour working on posting the pics! Click the link in my sig and go to lt1 album on the left hand side

[V8Blaze]

hey i dont know how big your notch for the ac compressor is, but you could slide the engine to the pass side some, from the looks of it it seems centered in those JTR mounts. I slid mine over the pass a little for better booster and brake line clearance. But looks good man, i know the feeling of seeing it come together

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by V8Blaze

hey i dont know how big your notch for the ac compressor is, but you could slide the engine to the pass side some, from the looks of it it seems centered in those JTR mounts. I slid mine over the pass a little for better booster and brake line clearance. But looks good man, i know the feeling of seeing it come together

well we had the old rubber mounts still in there and the brackets bolted to the block,but it could still move over like you said. But its still really tight on the driver side.

[wirrrey21]

motor looks good sittin in there. your best bet with the clutch master is to try to move the motor over as much as possible to the passenger side. but how much more room to you have till the A/C hits the frame???

are you baggin this thing too???

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21

motor looks good sittin in there. your best bet with the clutch master is to try to move the motor over as much as possible to the passenger side. but how much more room to you have till the A/C hits the frame???

are you baggin this thing too???

a/c compressor is on the frame...the notch the book said is not big enough. And i am not planning to bag it yet.

[williambriggs]

shits looking good.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs

shits looking good.

thanks....just got back from the show at dover and i am wanting to bag the truck....again, lol. Hope to have my truck done for lowrollers. But heres the plan, engine will be in, engine bay will be painted black, and the exterior and all will be flat black primer til next year.

[williambriggs]

yea i was under the ss most of today so i didnt go to the dover show.

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs

yea i was under the ss most of today so i didnt go to the dover show.

there was a total of 6 s10s.......

[llorracs93s10]

well i guess iwill make another post count in my own thread, ....

Got the motor all cleaned up. Power washed it after i degreased it and you can finally see some AL heads! But seriously, it really did clean alot up. I will get pics of it saturday night....hopefully in the engine bay for final mock up....than here comes paint on the firewall!

And i am not sure if i posted here, but my header on the driver side hits the clutch master cylinder and literally the header tube is resting on it. I was told that there is some sort of ''c'' clip or slav or something in there that can be taken out so it can point straight down so the header clears. What did you guys do about this?

[Wicked Mayhem]

lookin good!

[llorracs93s10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Wicked Mayhem

lookin good!

thank you. Just trying to get this damn project done so i cansave up for bags. And i need this done to start my centerconsle. So i hope teh bigger bumps in this project are behind me.

[llorracs93s10]

Ok just got some really good progress done. First off here are the cleaned motor pics. Really cleaned it up big time. Makes the 2k i spent on it look a bit better.








ANd here are the newest pics. First is of the a/c notch taht had to be notched bigger.


little notch here.


firewall massaged, and a/c box notched
























THats it for this week. I am very happy with only three hours of work wat we got done. Next week, we will have this to get done to keep on track.

-Firewall painted/frame painted
-new intake put on
-spark plugs/wires put on
-And the start of the rear to be put in to see how much the D/S has to be cut.

Hope you all like the progress.

[V8Blaze]

looks awesome man. Feel great to see it come together huh