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Old 07-05-2008, 07:24 PM   #1
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Project--->LT1 swap and alittle more goodies!

Alright I have a 1993 chevy s10 and i am finally 1 yr and a week after I registered, I am finally starting a project thread. Little background on the vehilce than i will let you know on what it has had done to it. It has a 2.8 v6 with a 5spd tranny.

Here is a list of mods that are done to the truck as of now:
starting with the interior is
-cavi seat swap, started to smooth all textured pieces for smooth interior, sub box half built...still needs to be fiberglassed.

exterior: 2 inch cowl hood, chrome phantom grille, fiberglass bumper cover, clear corners/parking lights, checkmate tonneau cover, tailgate skinned, and molded rollpan. And my suspension consists of 3 inch drop blocks, 2 inch drop spindles and 1 inch (4.3L) drop coils.


Now for the good stuff. For the project, We...me and "Hotdog" as he likes to be called will be doing the following with mostly him doin it, lol..
-swapping in a 95 z28 LT1/t56
-replacing the stock manifolds with cermaic coated sanderson headers
-replacing the stock intake manifold with my ported and painted intake
-put either a stock shifter or a b&m short throw shifter in(suggestions?)
-paint motor block black, leaving the AL heads alone
-replace the stock rear with a 02 blazer rear with drilled slotted rotors adn 3.42 gears
-replacing stock leafs with zq8 leafs and drop the front another 1inch if motor doesnt drop it enough

Also happening, but not with Hotdog:
-getting my buddy to paint the truck with 2001 GM ''Onyx black''
-painting the frame gloss black

All in all, I hope everything goes right and i can get this ready for Carlisle all truck nationals, but that really means that i need everything to go right, and we kno that always doesnt happen. But anyways, post # 2 will have the pics....thanks for looking, and by all means...help me out cuz i will need it, lol
Old 07-05-2008, 07:30 PM   #2
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Heres pics of the truck how it sit now...but the kit is coming off so dont mind it please, lol






heres how the rollpan went on






And now for the goodies going in and on the truck:










here is a mock up of the calipers on the rear, still need to repaint the caliper brackets


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now here is the motor and its goodies

















Oh yeah...i love these headers



And now heres the first progress pics...Didnt get the motor yanked cuz of the damn shifter, didnt know what was going wrong but the damn shifter wiould not come undone...any ideas?

but anyways, got the radiator, the fan, the battery, and all the wire connections undone, tomorrow the motor will be pulled








well thats all fornow, but tomorrow i plan to go back and get more pics and help with the motor yanking...But to let you all know, updates hopefuly will happen about 2-3 times a week...if i am lucky, lol

btw, how do i resize these pics so they are not so big?

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Looks real good!
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Quote: Originally Posted by phillip7
Looks real good!

thanks. unfortunately we ran into another problem....the power steering pump is on the opposite side of the motor vs where the old 2.8 was. I am stumped and the jtr book doesnt have anything on it.
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hi i am in great britain and have a 95 s10 i am also putting a lt1 in my truck but have also found a few probs such as my air con pump hits my motor mount and also my exhaust ports are adifferent shape to my hedman headers have you fitted your motor yet? and what diff&axle set up are you using?thanks joe,ps good job
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Quote: Originally Posted by blobster1
hi i am in great britain and have a 95 s10 i am also putting a lt1 in my truck but have also found a few probs such as my air con pump hits my motor mount and also my exhaust ports are adifferent shape to my hedman headers have you fitted your motor yet? and what diff&axle set up are you using?thanks joe,ps good job
well i know my lt1 has d port heads and so i can tget the usual oval shaped ports, i had to get d port. Thats what yo will have to use. And as for the diff. its from a 02 blazer and has stock 3.42 gears. no posi though
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is that a seatbelt wrapped up ontop of the motor that the hoist is connected too??..spray tint those taillights too..u got a week to get r done lol good luck
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
is that a seatbelt wrapped up ontop of the motor that the hoist is connected too??..spray tint those taillights too..u got a week to get r done lol good luck

yes it is....used it 4 times and that bitch wont budge, lol....didnt know how strong they wre. And i plan on that , like the way the tailis look when its night time. And i am very positive its not going to be done by than. WIring harness doesnt come in until weds....and he only will work on it 4-5 hrs a day minus sunday
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alirght another update....not as much as i would have liked, but its sunday and he doesnt work on projects on sundays, but since he was sick the first part of the week, he decided to do some . As of right now, the motor is still in the engine bay , but the tranny is out. so heres some pics.







again sorry for the large pics, dont know how to down size...

And i will be heading there again on tuesday so look for a update tues evening. I plan if everything goes right, to have a update on Tues. night, thurs or friday night(depending on which night i work), and saturday night. So hope i get the mtoor out and the new one mocked in there by tuesday.
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whose doing the work?
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
whose doing the work?

dont know his actual name but we call him ''hotdog''. He lives in symrna. Its pretty cool, he works for the govt delievering mail from 3am to 9am and he sleeps for two hrs and than he works on my truck. Rather have it like that than a guy working to the late hrs of the night.
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^^ but the problem with that is i am not able to be there besides tues late afternoon, thurs or friday late afternoon and saturday. And he only is able to work on it 4-5 hrs a day. So i hope he will have the new motor placed in there fir the first time by tuesday.
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should be pretty sweet. that T56 sounds like itll be fun.
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Quote: Originally Posted by lowcherrydime
should be pretty sweet. that T56 sounds like itll be fun.
from waht i hear, lol....I dunno what will be more fun...the double OD, the 6 gears, or the face on ppl when they are like '' you got a 6spd in that truck?!?!?!?"
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try not to be up his ass too much...then he'll get 'comfortable' with u and might not do as good of a job. ive seen it way to many times..
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
try not to be up his ass too much...then he'll get 'comfortable' with u and might not do as good of a job. ive seen it way to many times..
well i will try to leave him alone as much as possilbe, but i love my truck and its hard enough not seeing it out in my driveway right now , but he is a pretty down to earth dude. He told me he could get along with a half empty spit bucket if it would talk to him, lol? So i think we will be fine. I already told him i am no means mechanically inclined enough for any of this, but i am there to be his bitch and to learn. Thats the biggest reason why iwant to be there, to learn and see how it goes all together...Oh and to have a project thread

Also, will....what time you going to head to bristol for the show? And what are you taking? I have to wait n see til tomorrow to see if my bro has off, which i hope he does so than we can go and take his up there.

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isthat a real LT4 intake manifold? or is itan LT coated red? if its an LT4 it will not fit correctly on the LT1 heads, the head ports are off a little bit.

Also the A/c will hit the frame if you use F-body accesories, they do make an A/C elimnator for them, but they are hard to find tho.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 1/4milecrazy
isthat a real LT4 intake manifold? or is itan LT coated red? if its an LT4 it will not fit correctly on the LT1 heads, the head ports are off a little bit.

Also the A/c will hit the frame if you use F-body accesories, they do make an A/C elimnator for them, but they are hard to find tho.
nope it is a stock intake from a lt1, just ported and painted. And the ac u talk about is the notch i have to make on the passenger side frame right? If so, i know that from reading the jtr book on the 4 hr trip to get the motor.
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ok and yes, i did this swap years ago with my 83 but i used a 4l60. i might even do it again soon with my 93
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Quote: Originally Posted by 1/4milecrazy
ok and yes, i did this swap years ago with my 83 but i used a 4l60. i might even do it again soon with my 93

any tips, pointers, things to look out for, and pics? The guy hasnt ever done the ""s10 v8" swap before, but he was a mechanic for the govt. and all and has his on garage/shop...so he is capable, just needs some helpful pointers and ways to get things done quicker so i can have this for carlisle all truck nationals,
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not really much more than you already got, the LT1 is not that much different than a reg small block. and thats a pretty straight forward swap. If you have any questions ill do what i can to help, but i did that swap about 8 years ago so i might be a little rusty. hopefully you get it done for carlisle, i should be there and will keep an eye out for it
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Quote: Originally Posted by 1/4milecrazy
not really much more than you already got, the LT1 is not that much different than a reg small block. and thats a pretty straight forward swap. If you have any questions ill do what i can to help, but i did that swap about 8 years ago so i might be a little rusty. hopefully you get it done for carlisle, i should be there and will keep an eye out for it
well at the rate its going, i wont have the truck painted cuz my bodyshop guy wont pic up his fone. So i think wat we might do, which i am cool with, is rip the body kit off sand whre the extra fiberglass was holding the body kit on, and spray it flat black primer, and wet sand it for a smooth look. I know i can do the wet sanding and the HOtdog guy says he can spray. So we will just spray the engine bay glossy black so its aliready done and do the primer on the exterior. But i hope my body shop guy gets his ass in gear n answers his fone. I do need his help tho on hte bumper cover cuz it needs to be cuz and chopped so i need his expertise for that. So cross your fingers,
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i dont know what time im leaving...i tore the front suspension outta the truck cut my humps off the lca and then dropped them off to my buddy who doesnt wanna answer his phone either lmao. and this was like thursday morning. and im still waiting for my arms back...so i might be too busy to go cause i got like nothing done this weekend.
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looks like you're off to a good start bro. i don't know if i've mentioned this in the PM's but there is a company that makes some bracketry for the LT1. the name of the company is alan grove components.

also, when this "hotdog" character finally drops in the motor make sure there's space between the oil pan and the cradle. i had to notch the cradle ever so slightly.

if you're headin to G4L this weekend i'll see you there. i'll have my truck there if you wanna check it out and ask some questions.
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ill be there, ill keep an eye out for it
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
i dont know what time im leaving...i tore the front suspension outta the truck cut my humps off the lca and then dropped them off to my buddy who doesnt wanna answer his phone either lmao. and this was like thursday morning. and im still waiting for my arms back...so i might be too busy to go cause i got like nothing done this weekend.
wtf? whats wrong with ppl...we would like to get our shit done and we are waiting on others. Well iwas going to say if you were going to go and i was too, i would leave later saturday afternoon.
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looks like you're off to a good start bro. i don't know if i've mentioned this in the PM's but there is a company that makes some bracketry for the LT1. the name of the company is alan grove components.

also, when this "hotdog" character finally drops in the motor make sure there's space between the oil pan and the cradle. i had to notch the cradle ever so slightly.

if you're headin to G4L this weekend i'll see you there. i'll have my truck there if you wanna check it out and ask some questions.

two questions....''cradle''? and wat type of bracketry do they make?

and i am banking on my bro not having work or i probably wont be able to go since i will have no truck or ride. I would like to see it though. SO i am going to cross my fingers to hope my bro doesnt have to work.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 1/4milecrazy
ill be there, ill keep an eye out for it

hey 1/4mile....you got pics of ur lt1 swap from years ago?
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two questions....''cradle''? and wat type of bracketry do they make?
the engine cradle. the crossmember that goes under the motor. i had to put a small notch in it about the widtch of the oil pan.

the make accesory brackets. i checked the site last night and they've only got 2 for an LT1. i bought the A/C & PS delete bracket when i built mine. it moves the alternator down next to the frame. but i don't have A/C or PS so it worked for me.

well i hope to see you there then. just come over to the Exceeding Limits tent, and ask for Mikey.
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Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21
the engine cradle. the crossmember that goes under the motor. i had to put a small notch in it about the widtch of the oil pan.

the make accesory brackets. i checked the site last night and they've only got 2 for an LT1. i bought the A/C & PS delete bracket when i built mine. it moves the alternator down next to the frame. but i don't have A/C or PS so it worked for me.

well i hope to see you there then. just come over to the Exceeding Limits tent, and ask for Mikey.
o ...well as of right now i dont think i am going to change my brackets. I am out of cash and i dont think i can put anymore cash into this olnly if it is needed.

And i hope to be there. If my bro cant go, i might be able to take mmy explorer to my buddys who is going. So we will see.
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well no picture update but i do have some updates. First and formost, we got the motor pulled out of the bay for good!!!! And secondly, my painter answerd his phone and we got him to come over and take the bed. So right now for all you baggers out there, the truck looks like its ridin''cali'', lol. I will get pics tomorrow nite.

Tomorrows agenda is to roll out the truck and power wash the engine bay, and to powerwash teh frame under teh bed adn start to sand it down.
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Got another update, but with pics! lol....Just the pics of the truck bedless and of the engine bay without its old weak ass heart. Heres the pics












Well this was just from wat was done the night before....Today i took it upon myself to do some work so i dont have to fork so much money over, lol....but i got to work on powerwashing the rear half of the frame and the engine bay. So i will have pics of that on saturday night. But hopefully by saturday night pics, youwill see the notch for the a/c compressor and the firewall mods for the motor/headers and all. So let me know anything needed to be known.

ALso, i dont have the money to buy 125 bux worth of POR15 for one quart and another XX dollars for the prep an shit. But wat would be the next best stuff to do the frame? I obviously knw shit isnt going to stay like it will after its dries and looks good...but i need something that will clean the frame up enough so when the truck is painted, the frame doesn stick out like a sore thumb being shit brown.
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i know 3M makes an undercoating. it'll dry into a hard shell.
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Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21
i know 3M makes an undercoating. it'll dry into a hard shell.
but will it easily chip since it dries into a hard shell? And how expensive is it? Also, if my bro is cool, he has off on sunday, so i have a opportunity to go to the show. But unfortunately my buddy that just got his truck back not a week long ago from some a hole rear ending him, he gets hit again and now hes not taking the truck. But he is still going to go, so i want to go to talk to you in person, take some photos and all. So i will know tonight if he wants to go or not, my brother i mean.
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but will it easily chip since it dries into a hard shell? And how expensive is it? Also, if my bro is cool, he has off on sunday, so i have a opportunity to go to the show. But unfortunately my buddy that just got his truck back not a week long ago from some a hole rear ending him, he gets hit again and now hes not taking the truck. But he is still going to go, so i want to go to talk to you in person, take some photos and all. So i will know tonight if he wants to go or not, my brother i mean.

i don't think it chips easily, i sprayed it under my carpet cause it also acts as a sound deadener. i don't remember how much it is, i only bought one can and it was awhile ago.

well i hope to see you there. you can ask all the questions you want. the only thing i can't help you with is the wiring, i had my buddy wire the motor.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 1/4milecrazy
they do make an A/C elimnator for them, but they are hard to find tho.
no not really, its like $30 at Summit racing, its where I got mine. I think its called a 1LE eliminator
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Quote: Originally Posted by wirrrey21
i don't think it chips easily, i sprayed it under my carpet cause it also acts as a sound deadener. i don't remember how much it is, i only bought one can and it was awhile ago.

well i hope to see you there. you can ask all the questions you want. the only thing i can't help you with is the wiring, i had my buddy wire the motor.
Ok, i will look it up. And wiring shouldnt be a issue...see post below
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got some more goodies!!! One phrase willl tell it all, ''plug and play''


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Thanks jared and current performance....actual build time and shipping were excellent! fast and all.

Well i wont have another update until saturady night. By thn the firewall should be ''massage'' for the headers and motor clearances, and the a/c compressor notch should be done. So i am hoping for next monday or tuesday for the motor tranny mock up.
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damn this thing isnt up and running yet...lol. thats a nice looking harness. how long did it take for them to build?
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
damn this thing isnt up and running yet...lol. thats a nice looking harness. how long did it take for them to build?
well i placed the order about 2 months ago, but they only took about 1 week and a day or so more to actually build it. If it wasnt for me that i didnt know if the air pump was on the lower part of the motor, it would of taken less i would assume. And it only took 3 or so days to ship too.
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oh....and 4 hrs a day of work and about only 3 or so days of work on it and its ready for fire wall massaging, i think i am going at a steady, but decent rate. Perferably i would of liked it done by friday but that will not ever happen. It most likely wont be at carlise either,
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god damn no carlisle...id think it should be done by then...
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
god damn no carlisle...id think it should be done by then...
well lets see...carlisle is august 8th, so i would want it done atleast 4 days before so i can get some driving under my belt to work out kinks or wat not and to do the exhaust work. And he doesnt work on it on fridays or sundays. So as of next week, he would have 15 working days. I would hope it would be done. But he doesnt know how to do a/c so thats anothe rthing i have to think about.

If everything goes right, we should have the first mock up with the firewall and all worked by tuesday night. So that gives about 2 wks of work on it.

also i forgot that i am having it paintd too. So he wont have the truck for hopefully a half a week, so thats now about 10 working days.

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hey man did u ever get the ps thing figured out? also i noticed u guys talking about A/C elimnator things from summit if u dont want ac u can get a ac bypass pully from any oriellys or autozone,, asumming ur using fbodie pullys its just a pully mounted to a plate that u bolt in the stock ac location most dont have them in stock but they can order it and usually have it same day if u order it in the morning. make shure if u order it u get it for the vechial u got the drive belt accs from,, example 94 camaro z28
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hey man did u ever get the ps thing figured out? also i noticed u guys talking about A/C elimnator things from summit if u dont want ac u can get a ac bypass pully from any oriellys or autozone,, asumming ur using fbodie pullys its just a pully mounted to a plate that u bolt in the stock ac location most dont have them in stock but they can order it and usually have it same day if u order it in the morning. make shure if u order it u get it for the vechial u got the drive belt accs from,, example 94 camaro z28
havent orderd it yet, but i am going to order a low pressure p/s pump from summit that is a direct fit and all. ANd i am keeping a/c, i dunno why someone suggested it, but i am too lazy to scroll up and see, lol

I got another question, my dude doesnt do a/c and at this point i just want the truck up and running. And i have driven with no a/c for at least 1-1/2 yrs...so can i have the truck running in fine condition with the a/c hoses reconnected, but not recharged and all? Cuz he said that the a/c would cost like 600 bux since the system was contaminated. ANd i dont have that money now, i just want the damn thing for carlisle!
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i dont see it hurting anything. just do the right thing get that autozone non a/c pulley and delete it outta the engine bay completely lol
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Quote: Originally Posted by williambriggs
i dont see it hurting anything. just do the right thing get that autozone non a/c pulley and delete it outta the engine bay completely lol

fine, you pay for it, and i will consider it
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those horse shit pulley from autozone/orieleys are garbage, i had nothing but problems with the one on my v8. first off didnt clear the bolts, had to grind them down, and secondly, lasted about 8 months before it started squeeling beyond ****ign belief and ate up about two belts before it started making any noise, ended up having to buy a 60 dollars one from chevy

and keep up the good work, im liking where this is going
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those horse shit pulley from autozone/orieleys are garbage, i had nothing but problems with the one on my v8. first off didnt clear the bolts, had to grind them down, and secondly, lasted about 8 months before it started squeeling beyond ****ign belief and ate up about two belts before it started making any noise, ended up having to buy a 60 dollars one from chevy

and keep up the good work, im liking where this is going
thanks...and i am keeping a/c...i cant stand driving with no a/c....if it wasnt my daily i would consider it but not since it is.

And well unfortunately i was told that we are keepin the intake on there, the stock one for now. Till it gets up and running. But at this point, if it saves a day or so of work to get it done by carlisle than i will sacrifice some looks for going there. But headers will still be on there. I just have to clean the fuel rails up more since i only did one and i only did have the intake fins.



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