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Old 06-15-2008, 10:38 AM   #151
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by TuckaBlaze
i always help out everyone with their stuff... but when i need help eveyones busy...
I know exactly what you mean. It's always been the same way with me, hence I don't help others anymore. It's alright for you to drop your $hit to help them, but when it's time for them to help you, they have some BS excuse as to why they can't. Screw them I say.

Anyway, I hope things look up for you man. I know all too well how it is to be strapped for cash and not having the greatest conditions to work in. But hey, at least you know how to do this sort of work and how to weld.

Dude, I wouldn't even dream of doing something like this on my own. Hell, I'm even a little concerned at dropping the front of my Blaze 4-5" because I might need to have small notches put in the frame or have the humps taken out of the LCA's! I can't do that kind of work. I don't have the tools or know-how to do it. Now give me some wrenches and some bolt-on goodies and I'll do as good as the pros! Yes I know, sad but true. LOL

Good luck on your project!
Old 06-15-2008, 11:27 AM   #152
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

i have a 4in drop on my blazer, i used a 2in drop spindle and a 2in spring and its fine. rides better then it did b4 imo. the stock tires hit the fenderwells b 4 the control arms hit.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by TuckaBlaze
i have a 4in drop on my blazer, i used a 2in drop spindle and a 2in spring and its fine. rides better then it did b4 imo. the stock tires hit the fenderwells b 4 the control arms hit.
Yeah, I've heard 4" is fine, but I'd really like to try going to 5". That's where you start running into slight bottoming issues.

But anyway, enough about my ride. I don't want to hijack your thread or even be accused of it.
Old 06-25-2008, 06:05 PM   #154
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Ok I've been tring to figure out someway to make a cross member for my upper 2 link bars. I dont have anyone to help me think of anything cool, and this is all i can come up with without a tube bender.


What do you guys think? it was the same angle as the frame but i was not getting the clearance i needed for the drive shaft so i leaned it up a little. the 2 bars coming from the frame would be angled out as well to give it stability.







Edit: I know i have one tire! the other one was taken without permission... i thought they would be safe where i left them.

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Old 06-25-2008, 06:11 PM   #155
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Where will the link bars be attached to it?
Old 06-25-2008, 06:13 PM   #156
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Where will the link bars be attached to it?
where the other bars connect to it that come off the side of the frame.
Old 06-25-2008, 06:19 PM   #157
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

I was thinking that if the mounting points are close to the frame, that the "V" crossmember would not be needed. Just make some brackets that stub out from the frame.
Old 06-25-2008, 06:22 PM   #158
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Quote: Originally Posted by Yogi
I was thinking that if the mounting points are close to the frame, that the "V" crossmember would not be needed. Just make some brackets that stub out from the frame.
Unless i made a bar that goes over the rear diff, the bars wont have that much angle. thats why i need them to be near the center as possible on the cross member.

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Old 06-25-2008, 06:34 PM   #159
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

I think that what you have will work. But it might be simpler (and better looking) to run the links parallel to the driveshaft, and put in a panhard bar behind the diff to control side to side motion.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

I dont want a panhard bar (Or a watts link). thats why im doing a triangulated 4 link...

you dont think it looks ugly or anything do you?

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:10 PM   #161
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by TuckaBlaze

you dont think it looks ugly or anything do you?
Does that really matter since it's going to be under the truck anyway?
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by TuckaBlaze
I dont want a panhard bar (Or a watts link). thats why im doing a triangulated 4 link...

you dont think it looks ugly or anything do you?
Yeah, as long as the bed covers it it doesn't matter.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

How are the triangulated links gonna run? Are You gonna have them narrow at the pumkin and then spread from there, or narrow at the trangle on the frame and then widen out so that they are closer to the frame rails?
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by Yogi
Yeah, as long as the bed covers it it doesn't matter.
from the way im picturing it dont cover it.

Quote: Originally Posted by dawgnutz
How are the triangulated links gonna run? Are You gonna have them narrow at the pumkin and then spread from there, or narrow at the trangle on the frame and then widen out so that they are closer to the frame rails?
Narrow at the triangle and spread wide at the rear end...


I got some more pics i went ahead and made the other bars that run from the frame.... If its ugly, just tell me, and ill just cut it off...








I want it to look good, but its gotta be strong... i dont have much to work with.

Edit: thats alota work to shape those to fit right, all i have is an angle grinder...

I think ima start a poll to ither keep it or trash it.

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Old 06-25-2008, 09:54 PM   #165
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Personally, I'd be more concerned with its function and safety before its looks. For the record, I don't think it looks all that bad.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

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Personally, I'd be more concerned with its function and safety before its looks. For the record, I don't think it looks all that bad.
I feel that will do its job if its all welded in good... its 1/8" wall tube....

thanks, im kinda indiffrent about it thats why im asking,
Old 06-25-2008, 10:18 PM   #167
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

i think it will look good and will work good as well. but if ur running a sheetmetal bed then dont worry about looks but if for the time maybe first few shows ur gonna run an open floor it will look good just make sure u have gussets and good penatrating welds like u mentioned.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

hell if i was you i would sheetmetal that triangle in the part that the upper bars are gonna be mounted to it will look even better and give you some strength
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by TrYiN2LaYaDiMe
i think it will look good and will work good as well. but if ur running a sheetmetal bed then dont worry about looks but if for the time maybe first few shows ur gonna run an open floor it will look good just make sure u have gussets and good penatrating welds like u mentioned.

Yeah. i was thinking about cutting the verry tip of it off and squaring it off instead of the point.

Quote: Originally Posted by TrYiN2LaYaDiMe
hell if i was you i would sheetmetal that triangle in the part that the upper bars are gonna be mounted to it will look even better and give you some strength
Draw what your talking about...

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Old 06-25-2008, 10:26 PM   #170
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

it looks good and will probably be alright but to be honest i dont really like it that much kinda looks old schoolish
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Quote: Originally Posted by laydoutjimmy
it looks good and will probably be alright but to be honest i dont really like it that much kinda looks old schoolish
Well as long as it isnt ugly!

I wanna get this thing rolling and after i get it somewhere maybe i can change it to something else... I think it looks old schoolish cuz its all strait bars with no bends...

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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by laydoutjimmy
to be honest i dont really like it that much kinda looks old schoolish
Dude, what's wrong with you?!?! Apparently you never watched "The Incredibles"... There's no school like the old school.




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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

no keep the point and plate whats red.

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Ah, I see... that is an idea.

Almost like a stealth bomber kinda plate...

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Old 06-25-2008, 11:40 PM   #175
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

yup it shouldnt be hard to build either and if u use 16ga it will be pretty tough.
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

That plate idea is cool!

I was concerned (SP? Lazy) with the length of the uppers and how close together they'll be in the front. It'll be two seperate bars, and therefore a real triangulated fourlink , but with how close they are together it may perform more like a three link's upper wish bone during side to side loads.


Edit: are you mounting the uppers off the pointed part or the out riggers from the frame rail? Because that changes everything......................

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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

lookin good.. are you going to brace it more where the fram levals out?
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

Quote: Originally Posted by dawgnutz
That plate idea is cool!

I was concerned (SP? Lazy) with the length of the uppers and how close together they'll be in the front. It'll be two seperate bars, and therefore a real triangulated fourlink , but with how close they are together it may perform more like a three link's upper wish bone during side to side loads.


Edit: are you mounting the uppers off the pointed part or the out riggers from the frame rail? Because that changes everything......................
they will mount where the out riggers contact the triangle...


Quote: Originally Posted by thingsthatfly2
lookin good.. are you going to brace it more where the fram levals out?
Yea i been thinking about where to add gussets all night on top of the plate idea...
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Re: (Project) "Finders Keepers" 5.7 Vortec, SFBD

looks good...don't change anytyhing
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Quote: Originally Posted by TuckaBlaze
they will mount where the out riggers contact the triangle...




Yea i been thinking about where to add gussets all night on top of the plate idea...
Right on. I'm fairly new to the design of the links, but I was thinking that the uppers mounting to the outriggers should be fine. There's a really cool link to a video on Youtube that shows the differnt types of four links and the advantages/disadvantages of all of them. I think a guy from on here posted it/made it.

From my understanding, for a triangulated four link to work properly the upper (or lower bars if that was how you would do it, but I think that's called a "Satchel link"), have to be about 45* (or around about there) in relation to the lowers. This should provide enough strength for locating the axle and preventing side to side movement. But, the trick is to finding an angle that keeps the axle from moving side to side and keeping it at enough of an angle so that it doesn't become a Parallel 4 link with the uppers just mounted a "Little Sideeays". Do al that and make it practical for the amount of room you have! (HA!)
At 45* will you be able to lay out with out it binding or hitting the frame rails.....? Also take into account the way that you're gonna have to attach the tabs, end links on the bars, bags, etc.

If you mount the uppers as close to the pumkin as possible, (assuming that the pumkin is approx 6-8in across at the point where the axle tubes slide in), and the front ends as close to the frame rails on the out riggers as possible, (bolts go in from the center of the truck out, so that the nuts for the bars are close to the frame , but able to be removed). It wont be a 45* angle, but it should have enough of an angle to prevent side to side movenment, while still fitting with in your space limitations and not creating a "four bar wishbone".

Depending on the size and backspacing of the wheels you intend to run and placement of the bags, you could mount the lowers under the frame rails. Place the front attaching point just behind whe