Project 83

[djleighk15]

Nice Go nightrider

[Golana]

well, ive been doing some thinking today, about what engine im going to use.

i was looking at turbo 2.5L, turbo or s/c 2.2L, 3.4L, 4.3L, 5.7L. i went through pros and cons of these motors, and out of all of them, the 350 was looking the best.

then, DieselS10 suggested a 3.8L S/C from a Buick Regal GS. The L67 Engine.

I really like this engine, makes 240HP and 280Ft Lbs. Should be alot more fun to drive than my 4.3L

Only problem is, the L67 is a FWD engine. Lots of stuff to do to get it to sit as a RWD engine. Lots of custom work. That would be alot of fun though!

[Outlawz24]

Why not consider doing a Sy/Ty motor?

[Golana]

i dont know where i would even start to look for a sy/ty motor... at least with the 3.8L, i can go to pick n pull and grab parts for it...

i found a project thread where a guy swapped a 3.8 into his fiero. took him 5 months from needing a rebuild to being built up and running

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/068188.html

[Outlawz24]

Well you could get a good start with getting ahold of a 4.3 block and going from there...if i remember right there was a project on here awhile ago that the guy started with a normal 4.3 and built a multi port turbo 4.3 out of it..but one way you could go about it would be build a 4.3 with a carbed intake and use something like a Holley Commander EFI set up or even a turbo set up with a carb.

[dawgnutz]

It can be done man! I remember a few years back a guy in one of the mags put a Northstar V8 in his full size with a caddy clip on it.

The only hurddle will be finding a bellhousing adapter and an auto or manual trans with the proper input shaft spline count.

[Golana]

according to DieselS10, i can use a 200r4 on the 3.8L, so im almost armed with enough info to go out and grab one


so anyways, got bored as F sitting around the room, so i went out and fitted my dash. took a bunch of pictures, and it looks good check it out!


yea, the truck is a mess. the carpet is going. ive got it in there just to keep critters out of the cab as much as possible hahaa


kinda hard to see through the windshield, but you can see the dash and seats in


side view of the seats


i opened the door, and took a picture, because the window is hard to see through hahaa


Sunfire seats, with headrests on


Sunfire seats, with headrests off


a bunch more stuff to do, but i cant do it right now. i need a steering column pretty bad, going to hit up the pick n pull for that, but not for a week, this weekend, im going back home for a car audio show.

[dawgnutz]

sweet man! looks great!

[DieselS10]

I just read through your thread, you've done alot of work to this thing! Still have a long way to go though, you are obviously very motivated so just stay with it, that thing will be awesome when you get it finished!

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by DieselS10

I just read through your thread, you've done alot of work to this thing! Still have a long way to go though, you are obviously very motivated so just stay with it, that thing will be awesome when you get it finished!

thanks bro

i just cant wait to get the L67 and have at 'er! i wanna get it and mount it up so bad hahaa! just seeing it sitting in my engine bay would be motivation enough for me to get it running! if i can find one that will fire right up, without me having to rip it apart, i bet i could have this thing done pretty quick. im trying to figure out this XP cam everyone keeps picking up for these, but i cant seem to figure out where they buy them from... oh well. i just want the engine in and running before i do any mods to it.

my bags got shipped out today. i cant wait for those! no idea how long they will take to get here, but that is going to be a very awesome day when they do!


oh, can anyone tell me if the Borg Warner T5 is the manual transmission for the 60° V6 engines? im having second thoughts on the automatic part... while that would be cool, i think i want a 5spd. ive heard of people having issues with laying frame with a manual... (or maybe that was BD with manual) i dont care, i just want it to work :P

[Outlawz24]

Only one problem if im not mistaken the L67 is a 90 degree engine not a 60...

oops...didnt realise it used a 60 degree bellhousing...thats freakin wierd..


Ok after doing some further reading on the engine why dont you go looking for a 3.8 out of a regal RWD maybe even a T type turbo if you can find a donor...not sure if the 3.8 is as adaptable as the 60 degree V6 to allow you to to use an L67 topend though...

[Outlawz24]

disreguard what i said about using a Regal engine...go looking for a Firebird/Camaro 3.8 from 99 on...its a Series II engine like the L67...should be able to use the Fbody block with the supercharged engine parts...well in theory anyways...

heres a link to the 3.8 buick engine history this may help with this idea..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine

[Golana]

been doing alot of research, and found out that the stock blower might not work, as the intake is on the rear, and would probably end up going into my firewall... the Australian version angles back out towards the front, and will def. work, but i have no idea how i would get one...
i guess im just gunna have to get the engine and see if the blower will clear.

article used for pictures:
http://www.kalmaker.com.au/page48.html
thread used for info:
http://forums.motorswap.org/viewtopic.php?t=330

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by Outlawz24

disreguard what i said about using a Regal engine...go looking for a Firebird/Camaro 3.8 from 99 on...its a Series II engine like the L67...should be able to use the Fbody block with the supercharged engine parts...well in theory anyways...

heres a link to the 3.8 buick engine history this may help with this idea..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine

hahaa, thanks bro, ive been using that wikipedia page since i got interested with the L67, thats how ive learned about it so far.

as for the camaro 3.8L, thats an interesting idea... but i run into the problem of the blower being a rear-intake design... might not be a problem, might be a huge problem...

[Outlawz24]

Actually there was a guy who built a street rod using the Firebird transmission mated behind an L67 and what he did with the intake problem was cut a hole in the firewall and used some prebent pipe to form an intake passing through the firewall at the intake then having another hole just above it where the filter would be mated to this hidden intake system. so all you see is the boot on the throttle body and the filter...the actual intake is hidden inside the cars body..just an idea to play with

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by Outlawz24

Actually there was a guy who built a street rod using the Firebird transmission mated behind an L67 and what he did with the intake problem was cut a hole in the firewall and used some prebent pipe to form an intake passing through the firewall at the intake then having another hole just above it where the filter would be mated to this hidden intake system. so all you see is the boot on the throttle body and the filter...the actual intake is hidden inside the cars body..just an idea to play with

i had an idea of running the intake into the wiper cowl area. only problem with that is i dont have wipers if i do that... i wanted to build a wiper cowl cowl thing... shave it, and kinda raise it up at the back, so rain and water doesnt get in and soak the filter, while allowing plenty of air flow... that would be a tricky one...

do you have any pictures of that guy's setup?

[Outlawz24]

Other then whats in the mag not really...but when i get a chance i can look it up on the net after i look at what issue it was..

[Outlawz24]

If it helps it was in Street Rodder Magazine...Its a black pontiac ironicly..the guy used a PC joystick to control the transmission and cruise control..

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by Outlawz24

If it helps it was in Street Rodder Magazine...Its a black pontiac ironicly..the guy used a PC joystick to control the transmission and cruise control..

bizarre...

i have a pretty good idea of how im going to do this now... ill go out and measure up my truck to see if i can do it. would be weird to have the intake in the cab hahaa! so im gunna see if i can route it another way

[Outlawz24]

Here you go a link directly to the article on the car in question...its a Chevy coupe with the L67 in it..

http://www.streetrodderweb.com/featu...upe/index.html

[Golana]

hahaa, thats so awesome! gives me kinda an idea of how i plan on running mine. instead of going above it though, i wanna go beside it. ill have to go take a picture and draw on it hahaa

[Outlawz24]

Hopefully the top end from the L67 will bolt onto the RWD block...but if they dont you could always do what that guy did and build a subcradle set up that bolts onto the FWD mounts on the engine and mates to your V8 mounts on the frame so if you chose to change it up later you would just need to unbolt the engine and drop in the replacement set up.

[Golana]

as of right now, i dont see any reason why they wont be able to swap over.

if they dont, then i will probably fab up some mounts like you said that use the stock FWD mounts... or... maybe i could weld to the block?

[Golana]

hmmm... i dont think i could route inside the cab at all without loosing the HVAC system... maybe ill just have to build mounts to sit the engine further ahead in the engine bay... all this talking and thinking about this makes me want to start on it hahaa

[DieselS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Golana

hmmm... i dont think i could route inside the cab at all without loosing the HVAC system... maybe ill just have to build mounts to sit the engine further ahead in the engine bay... all this talking and thinking about this makes me want to start on it hahaa

That's what I was thinking as I was reading this. Moving it up a little might make enough room the turn it towards where ever you want it before it gets to the firewall.

[Outlawz24]

Just a thought here...but if you cant get enough space back there why not look at the idea of just cutting a hole in the firewall and welding the tubing itself back into the hole to fill it...more or less keeping the tubing in the engine bay but if you cant it will give a bit of relief if that makes any sense...

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by Outlawz24

Just a thought here...but if you cant get enough space back there why not look at the idea of just cutting a hole in the firewall and welding the tubing itself back into the hole to fill it...more or less keeping the tubing in the engine bay but if you cant it will give a bit of relief if that makes any sense...

kinda like make the intake tube part of the firewall? i really like that idea! except when i punch it... might wreck the intake... would have to have a flexi-hose or something first...

[Golana]

Quote: Originally Posted by DieselS10

That's what I was thinking as I was reading this. Moving it up a little might make enough room the turn it towards where ever you want it before it gets to the firewall.

this is what im probably going to be doing unless the engine is too long.

[OneLowSdime]

looks good keep up with the updates

[Outlawz24]

Im thinking that street rod has the same problem more then likely he used a flex hose to mate the throttle body to the intake..worse comes to worse you could always rubber mount the section of the intake thats part of the firewall..might give you the flex you need..

[AceHaag]

You could put a "U" bend in between the throttle body and the super charger also and mount the TB facing forward