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Old 04-16-2014, 11:33 PM   #451
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just a small update/heads up. i spoke to soon about the tie rods. i thought i had the pass wheel locked in place when i was reassembling it, but it moved (toed out) while i was putting the drivers side back together. to get to the point, they still toe out just a tad, so a little more needs to come off one of the tie rods. with the steering wheel centered one wheel toes in and one out, so one tie rod will end up being a little shorter than the other, which is how mosy s10s end up after and alignment anyway.
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Looks great Sean. I like that you are still doing work on this!
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slowly but surely. ill never stop, its just hard to find the time and money lately. kidz...
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I'm just curious where did you learn how to do a lot of this stuff?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twentyinchextreme
I'm just curious where did you learn how to do a lot of this stuff?
Autodidacticism. i taught myself everything i know outside of the public school system.

im an incredibly curious individual, and when i get interested in something, i usually become obsessed. curiosiy is the driving force behind most of what i do. i read a lot of books and info online, study theory etc


on a side note, i got an xj intermediate shaft for $18 at the picknpull! which for those that dont know- the xj shaft is a direct swap on the first gens(confirmed by me), and the wj shaft is supposed to be a direst swap for the 2nd gens. so i dont have to fuk with the WJ shaft like i was going to with that stupid key i made. and as a bonus, it might fit my 94, which is pretty sloppy right now. i know the 94s, being that "in between" year, could have either style steering column.

also, as i recall, i tossed the front brake line brackets years ago when i had it lifted because the tire would rub, or maybe i just lost them, dont remember. so i get a pair from picknpull and the pass side is to long, so the line doesnt quite reach. im confused, as all the 2wd first and 2nd gen trucks and blazers have the same brackets except the shape of the hole where the hose runs through and is fastened. the are the same length and mounting locations as far as i could tell are the same.

ill get some pics up
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You sooo Smart

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Quote: Originally Posted by gunther19820
You sooo Smart

whos this guy talking bout
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I belive he's talking about jeep parts...
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You lost me Zelda... right over my head. haha
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I'm not sure what he's talkin about either

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i bent up some rear lines and found and cleaned/painted a proper steering shaft. thats about it

i promise exiting progress in the near future.

to be honest ive been working on the miata like crazy for this up coming season
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Hey Sean you on facebook? I’ve got a couple questions and don’t want to hijack your thread..
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yes, but i prefer email.
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Excellent thread jam packed with info that's great.just read it from start to finish.

I'm very interested in how your brake setup functions? And I know its not ready yet but I'm holding you to a first report after your second drive lol just enjoy the first one.
And what size brake line did you run for the front? And what size lines are on your master and prop valve.

Personally I'm planning on a hydroboost set up, but I would really interested to see how you fair.

Keep at her bud, your truck is looking great, just about gave up when you said green.
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Quote: Originally Posted by 85Sierra
Excellent thread jam packed with info that's great.just read it from start to finish.

I'm very interested in how your brake setup functions? And I know its not ready yet but I'm holding you to a first report after your second drive lol just enjoy the first one.
And what size brake line did you run for the front? And what size lines are on your master and prop valve.

Personally I'm planning on a hydroboost set up, but I would really interested to see how you fair.

Keep at her bud, your truck is looking great, just about gave up when you said green.
ill be sure to do a full report when its done.

front line is stock 3/16"
master and prop lines are also 3/16"

thanks!
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Never seen a 94 with a square column. 95 was the split year for that as far as I know. I got a shaft from an early ZJ. I haven't installed it yet but looking at it side by side with the extra crap S10 shaft I have the fitment should be the same.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mostizzle
Never seen a 94 with a square column. 95 was the split year for that as far as I know. I got a shaft from an early ZJ. I haven't installed it yet but looking at it side by side with the extra crap S10 shaft I have the fitment should be the same.
so youre talling me my later zj shaft is useless for my 2 trucks
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No, no. Well, I can't say having not ever seen one of the later ones.
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I don't know the year split on the zjs but yes the latter ones use a smaller double d shaft that I think you are referring to as square. The early ones use a much larger d or double d, can't remember.
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93-98 were the ZJ's (the square body Grands)
99 started the WJ's I believe (The rounder Grands)


I think my Jeep shaft came from a Cherokee, not a Grand Cherokee
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its very possible the first shaft i got was a WJ then, although 97' comes to mind i cant quite remember the year, i have it written down somewhere.
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a few years back when i got the last of my motor stuff together i assembled the motor... makes sense. one day i was sitting there staring at it when i realized i never balanced it . i figured when it was about ready to go in, id tear it back apart and have it balanced; that time has come. i wasted about $100 in gaskets and now i have to clean all the surafces again . also, when i first envisioned this motor, i just wanted a well mannered high vacuum little torque-er, so it got an xe256 cam. well **** that, while its apart would be the time to make a change. after messing with some software and discussing it on pro-tourings10, i came up with the xe268. anything worth a dam duration wise has too much lift for the stock vortecs. this change necessitates the use of the LS2/6 beehive spring swap, which i was looking for an excuse to do anyway.


i removed one of the springs, valve and seal to see how the ST-2015 seal would fit. they dont. ive read a few threads where people had trouble and couldnt get them on w/o removing the retaining ring, and they were told to stop being a bitch. there is no way in hell these will go on without destroying them. i dont know if vortecs came with different seal boss diameters or what. in any case, the seals that were installed by whoever rebuilt these are not of the umbrella type and provided the clearance i need, so i didnt have to touch em. the st-2015 would have given me about 0.025" more over what ever these blue things are.



valves, springs, retainers and locks


exhaust valve closed. 0.690"


exhaust valve open. 0.117"


0.573" exhaust clearance. using comp cams recommendation of +0.060" minimum retainer to seal clearance on top of the max cam lift, that allows for 0.513" of lift.

intake valve closed. 0.687"


intake valve open. 0.085"


0.602", which would be 0.542" of lift.

my max lift is 0.486" yay.

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springs installed. only one went on hard.


i should have everything to get it back together and dropped in. so hopefully this week i can get the rotating assy to the machine shop, then get it back together and drop it in over the next few weeks.
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Here's the shaft that I have...




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remember how i said ive researched all this before and just forgot. well i also forgot that i wrote it all into a sticky 3.5 years ago on v8s10.org

i have way too much shit going on.

Quote: Originally Posted by sean
-the earlier jeep cherokee (XJ) steering shaft is a direct bolt on for a first generation s10, they are clocked the same , and their collapsed length is only off by about 1/8". 84-94 will fit, 95-96 may also fit, 97 up do not fit, the one in the pic is from a 94.
-later model (96 to about 2000) jeep grand cherokee (ZJ) steering shaft fits the 2nd gen s10, or so i have heard, i cant confirm this. the difference is the colum end. the first gen is about twice the size and keyed a little differently. the collapsed length is very close to the others.
-both jeep shafts clamp onto the colums as opposed to the first gen s10, which runs a bolt through both peices.
-all 3 shafts are clocked the same, so your steering wheel should remain in the correct position.
-the steering box end is the same on all 3, or at least they will fit the same, there are minor differences between them. on some steering boxes, maybe it was 2nd gens and zq8s? there is a nipple that sticks out that may need to be cut off for the jeep shaft.
-if you need to shorten the jeep shaft, i recommend you cut the universal joints off the end of the smaller(inner) shaft and remove material from that end, then weld the universal back on. there is a plastic bushing that keeps the smaller shaft very snug in the outer shaft, most people including myself, cut the ends(including the plastic bushing) off the shafts which introduced slop.

pics:
collapsed
top to bottom
grand cherokee
cherokee
s10, first gen
collapsed lengths:
s10: 15-5/8"
jeeps: 15-3/4"


fully extended
s10: 19-1/8"
cherokee: 21-5/8"
grand cherokee: 21-1/8"

steering box ends with the flats to the right

column end. left to right
grand cherokee
cherokee
s10
flats are on the top and bottom, steering box ends are aligned
i dont remember where or how i got some of that info so take it for what its worth, fact check me.

the shaft in the middle was to worn out to use. the one i just recently got is the exact same shaft also from a 94 xj, but in great condition. mo yours looks like the one on top in the first pic.
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Yeah that's definitely the one. Some good info.
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im amazed so many oem shafts with 2 ujoints have them out of phase.
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I never even noticed. Gm=no fuks given. Although for something relatively low speed like an intermediate shaft I guess it isn't that big of a deal.
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got the rotating assy balanced and reassembled, installed the heads and valve train and the rods hit the now bigger cam! i should have mocked it up first and possibly would have ground the rods, but too late now. so i ordered a custom grind small base circle cam from comp and now have 2 camshafts for sale if anyone is interested


this the the 262 sean grind for 335 stroker



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my machinist said the crank was way off. which i told him it would be seeing how the counterweights are cast for 4"+ bore engines and not 3.776".








i took a lifter apart and replaced the spring with washers to make it solid for pushrod length checking. i then used more or less washers and shims to figure out the rod length needed because i dont have an adjustable pushrod. 7.914", the closest is 7.900". the comp xe256 base circle is 1.238, i forgot what the xe268 was and i didnt write it down. the small base circle cam is 1.050".







i used sharpie brand machinists blue to check pushrod length


old cam was a little off with 7.800" rods


best i could get


this is the exhaust side with the same length as the intake side. taking a washer out and effectively making it a 7.854" rod made it just as bad on the other side(closer to the lifters), so im kinda of stuck with this pattern since rods are sold in 0.050" increments. it should move in a little since the rods are .014" shorter than what i simulated, and i can always preload the exhaust lifters another 1/8" turn or so more than the intakes.


I need to order the longer rods, finish buttoning it up, and i can drop it in the dam truck finally.
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So much detail. Cool. I am ready to see it sitting in there.
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sean... your like waaaaaaaaaaay more into the technical side than I thought possible -mind blown-
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thanks guys

look what i found "Length: 7.915""
http://www.jegs.com/i/Sealed-Power/8...oductId=744658
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got my push rods in, theyre pretty nice for $31. and the cam that looks like every other cam... but its not.




i degreed the cam today. i bought just the degree wheel, so i didnt have the crank socket that comes in the kit that the wheel is designed to fit. so i made a simple bushing.


my 0.0005" resolution dial indicator.




numbers
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@59 degrees- 0.0100
@60 degrees- 0.0105
base circle- 0.0163

IVC @ 0.0060"=59.6 degrees. should be 59. the 0.6 degrees could be error in method, timing chain, cam grinding, etc. etc., its plenty close for me.

the engine is almost all closed up at this point, yay.
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I wish I knew this much to attempt this in my truck.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Turbotyler
I wish I knew this much to attempt this in my truck.
thats what forums are for

i finished prepping the engine bay to receive the power train. i ran the rear wiring, and cut off the shifter linkage at the end of the column. since im going with a floor shifter i dont need it and it will let me set the engine back that much more.

to do:
-mount the shifter permanently and, put some rubber edging around the hole i cut in the floor and run the shifter cable.
-install rear freeze plugs and cam plug, bolt on flexplate and converter, then the tranny
-install motor/tranny. who wants to take a guess as to how many times it going to go in and out before it fits right?

and seans deal of the day:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-7150a

i grabbed a set of those, the embossing just barely fits the vortec ports
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I'm talking about all the mechanical knowledge to build the motor. I am wanting to do a all aluminum 5.3 (out of the HO) and do some built internals with possible supercharger. I guess ya gotta start somewhere
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Quote: Originally Posted by Turbotyler
I'm talking about all the mechanical knowledge to build the motor. I am wanting to do a all aluminum 5.3 (out of the HO) and do some built internals with possible supercharger. I guess ya gotta start somewhere
there are forums and books for that too. and if your smart, you can get all the specialty tools to blueprint a SBC for under $100. and yea, you gotta start somewhere, i wasnt born like this

supercharge? because who needs adiabatic efficiency and more than single digit boost numbers. turbo FTW.
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Sick build!!! Being born in '86 is what first sparked my interest in this thread Keep up the good work, I am excited to see how it all turns out, burn rubber bro!
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Quote: Originally Posted by DZNUTZ
Sick build!!! Being born in '86 is what first sparked my interest in this thread Keep up the good work, I am excited to see how it all turns out, burn rubber bro!
thanks!

i am also an 86 model
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I love this build and even more so that you're self-taught and do it alone. I'm in the same boat but time and money keeps it slow. Sub'd cause I definitely want to see the end result.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DonJuan692006
I love this build and even more so that you're self-taught and do it alone. I'm in the same boat but time and money keeps it slow. Sub'd cause I definitely want to see the end result.
thanks don!

got the engine off the stand today, plugged the rear holes and bolted on the flywheel. i should have it in the truck tomorrow.

cheap flexplates. the bolt holes arnt chamfered which is no bueno



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motor is in... kinda

2200 stall converter from BTO


this is my tranny meets engine rig











issues:

pass side exhaust pointing right at frame rail



motor mounts suck. i had to modify them so they wouldnt bottom out on the frame when using the lower position. i have the engine set as far to the drivers side as possible and this is my alignment. i should have just made my own.they are stealth/JTR.



there is enough room around the driver side collector to move the engine a little more to the drivers side. so im going to modify the mounts more to try to center the motor and see where that gets me. if that doesnt work, i may have to raise the motor to the upper position and beat the shit out of my firewall to make everything clear, but that has problems of its own id like to avoid. i have yet to even see if the distributor will go in.

also, the steering shaft hits the exhaust with the motor in the lower position and the cross member is wayyyyy off. like it got it from the wrong truck or something. if i dont have to raise the motor up for the exhaust, ill just move the steering column back down to where i had it when it was body lifted so it clears the header. i will be customizing the shit out of the cross member.

i really want a set of long tubes, theyre just so dam expensive.
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Good luck dude. I'd offer a hand but driving across the country doesn't seem like a good idea right now.
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Good luck dude. I'd offer a hand but driving across the country doesn't seem like a good idea right now.
thanks for the offer lol.
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I experienced some of the same problems as you with the JTR mounts. In the "High" position everything seemed to fit, except trans / trans tunnel. In the "Low" position clearance between trans/tunnel was good, but I developed steering shaft interference with the headers. I made some shims to sit between the block and the motor mount plates. This essentially gave me an in-between setting.

The driver side 2.8 mount I took apart. Removed the polly insert and made that mount solid by welding on some plate steel on each end of the mount shells.

I don't have any recommendations for you regarding your side-to-side motor placement. Mine ended up perfectly in the middle. I also didn't have exhaust issues, I'm running hooker swap shorty headers and they dump out perfectly between block / frame.
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I experienced some of the same problems as you with the JTR mounts. In the "High" position everything seemed to fit, except trans / trans tunnel. In the "Low" position clearance between trans/tunnel was good, but I developed steering shaft interference with the headers. I made some shims to sit between the block and the motor mount plates. This essentially gave me an in-between setting.
this is exactly the issue. i was thinking of an in between setting, but i like how low it is.


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I don't have any recommendations for you regarding your side-to-side motor placement. Mine ended up perfectly in the middle. I also didn't have exhaust issues, I'm running hooker swap shorty headers and they dump out perfectly between block / frame.

this is good to know. iirc the stock engine is offset a little to the pass side, so i wasnt sure if the swap should be the same. i guess since its a modification it should end up where you need it, but the heavy pass side bias these mounts have was making think i missed something. im hoping centering the motor will fix the exhaust issues. im not finding any hooker shortys for v8 s10. got a part number, link?
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http://www.jegs.com/i/Hedman/500/69536/10002/-1
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Thanks mo, but those would be hedmans, not hookers... hooker
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My bad. It was late. lol
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Sorry for the bad information. I men't Hedmans.

The jeg's link above are for the ones I have with the ball flange for a collector. I went with the non ceramic coated ones to save on cost. I wish I didn't. Cant keep any kind of paint, heat rated or not to stick. If I could go back in time, I would have ordered the ceramic coated ones.
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