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The start of a new project!
I'm just finishing the parts gathering stage and I've just begun the 6.0L swap!

The intention here is to make a sleeper as cheaply as possible, so that means very little go fast parts. the equation is simple; light weight car, big engine, low gears.

I bought it for $340 and the engine donor, 2003 2500HD for $1000
Between selling off the parts I don't need, I'm into it so far for under $2000



Pulled the engine/transmission on the big truck last week and I'm going through the wiring harness to make it a stand alone. I'll get it running again on the floor before it goes into the Cherokee. The Cherokee has a bad engine, puking out it's connecting rods.

The 6.0/4L80E sitting on the floor.


With a 4L80E the transmission should be near bullet proof as the GVW if the 2500HD was nearly 10,000 lbs. this thing should weigh in at less than 3200 lbs.
The Ford 8.8 rear end should stand up well as I've seen track cars running under 10 sec. on a stock rear end.

The project will be moving slow as I have limited funds and the work proceeds as the funds come in. I am at the stage of having enough to do right now, rewiring, pulling the Jeep drive train out, fabbing up mounts and such.

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This is going to be cool. Looking forward to progress, slow or not.

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It looks like a good start to the project

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Cool project! I can respect a budget 6.0 swap.

So who's gonna get done first, you or me? Haha!
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Cool project! I can respect a budget 6.0 swap.

So who's gonna get done first, you or me? Haha!
Probably you!

I've just got the engine ready for the test fit after getting the harness stripped and ready to bundle up. The Jeep isn't ready yet though, no front axle!

I'm heading out tomorrow to check one out. Not too many 2wd front axles around.

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I'm heading out tomorrow to check one out. Not too many 2wd front axles around.
I wondered about that. Good luck brother. Hey, at least you don't have to convert the trans!

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Those front axles are literally just a full length axle tube sans the center section. The knuckles and all brackets are the same as the 4x4. I hope the one you're going to look at works out.

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I checked out the front axle today, looks nice and clean. At least the 2wd front ends are less likely to be beat up.

Picking it up tomorrow.

Going through the Jeep harness today, picking out what I don't need. Hope to do the first test fit by the weekend.

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Nice!

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Update

2wd front axle installed, much lighter than the 4wd one.


Engine set in place, first test fit. I'll have to "adjust" the firewall lip where the driver side head hits. The oil pan contacts the steering damper and the carbon canister has to be relocated, but overall it looks good in there,


Now to pull the engine and make some adjustments and try again. The 4L80E trans fits with lots of room to spare.

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Sweet! Are you working with the engine and trans together through the bottom? Looks like a unibody?

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I dropped the engine and trans together into place, no problem.

I spent 30 minutes removing the grill and headlights. Considering how many times I have to go in and out, it will be a good investment in time. It takes about 5 minutes to maneuver it into place.

Unibody, yes. Very light. It should be around 3200 lbs when done.

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Wow! Fast action going on... Not surprised that this engine is almost a drop in.
That axle assembly is really clean.


Funny why AMC/Chrysler never offered a V8 option for these rigs...

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awesome, definitely watching this!
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Nothing to show really for all the work I've been doing.

Chasing down electrical gremlins, Jeep is famous for those. Cleaning out the stuff I don't need/want. A/C, ABS, auto transmission wiring, Factory alarm.

Got the engine roughly placed where it is going to live. Ordered some exhaust manifolds off eBay, should be here late this week. I need those before I can fab the mounts.

Working on the accessories now. No money for a cool custom setup, so I make my own. I'll be using the Jeep P/S pump anyways.

I'll post some pics once I get somethings sorted out.

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Not much to show for my time, I did a little of this, and a little of that.

Worked some on the mounts, some on the brakes, some on the rad install, and some more on the wiring.

Got the rad from Summit, $150
Snug fit for the space I've got to work with.


Cut out the lower rad support so I could make a pocket to drop the new rad into. Nothing bigger I could fit into the stock location. Stock rad was 23" x 11" I think, single row, this one is 22" x 19" double row.


I've got 5 1/5" for the rad fan. I'm waiting on the exhaust manifolds to finish setting up my mounts, so I don't want to make anything permanent yet.


Picked up my fuel lines and fittings today.

Next week I'm getting manifolds, air intake, water pump spacers. So I've got lots to do next week.

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You move pretty fast for moving slow.

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I've been struggling with finding exhaust manifolds that clear everything.

I refuse to spend $1,200 CDN to purchase headers for this swap!

I've tried 3 sets of OEM manifolds and cannot get the right combination. They either don't clear the steering shaft, don't clear the frame or they exit into the firewall. The latest ones, LS6, I thought would work but sadly do not clear the frame.


So I've cut off the exit flange and plan to have some stainless tubing welded on so I can direct the exit where it needs to go.

Stay tuned.

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I love sleepers! this is coming along!
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Small update

I've been wasting a couple of weeks with trying to find OEM manifolds that work. Lots of room, but they all exit in the wrong place. Finally bit the bullet and bought mounts and headers from Novak. Cost me $900 CDN. The headers fits perfect. Haven't installed the mounts yet, need to pull the engine out so I have room to work.

This last week I fabbed up the accessory drive. I used the Jeep P/S because it was there already, didn't have to buy a GM pump & hoses.


So later this week I'll pull the engine and then the cleaning starts. Clean and paint the engine bay, install the mounts. Tidy up some wiring. Clean and reseal the engine and paint it.

Then the install and fuel hoses, finish the wiring harness, mount rad, etc.

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Lookin' good! I'd ask where the AC compressor is, but... Canada. Right?

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The A/C compressor is in the scrap bin. Seized, not really needed. We do get some temps in the 90's here, but only for a few weeks of the year. Saves weight and gives me more room under the hood.

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Well now that I've confirmed that the exhaust and conversion mounts will fit, I've pulled the engine out for the big clean up and detail.

I made up these hoops to facilitate the lifting in and out of the engine and transmission combo.


I only need the one at the rear of the engine when I'm lifting both together. It balances perfect. The hoop clears the firewall easily and can be removed easily afterwords. If I'm lifting only the engine I use both hoops. I do have a tilting engine lift but with the LS engine I don't have the easy lift hooks like the old SB. I also didn't want to remove the intake every time the engine needs to go in or out. I also didn't like the idea of the combined weight of the engine and transmission hanging on those valley plate bolts.

I added a little hand winch with a strap to tilt the whole assembly as I duck the transmission into the tunnel going in. It's a little hard to make out in this photo but the strap is attached to the front pulley.


I can simply wind the front of the engine up and the tail goes down. No effort. I can slip the engine into place in under 2 minutes.

So of course I needed to deal with this rusty battery acid mess before the engine goes in for good.








Getting it pretty.


The engine sitting on the stand naked. New high volume oil pump getting installed, new pan gasket, new rear main seal. Getting painted before the install.

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Looks great, dude. You're scooting right along.

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Thanks

Painting today! This time next week the engine should be nesting in its new home.

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This is great, SUBD!

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Looking good!

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Thanks

Baked me some headers!


Got a grease smudge on them from the pot holders!

Not too concerned though, I just want to preserve them for as long as I can.

Got the engine cleaned, sealed up and painted! Looks pretty sweet.






Hanging the engine front and rear, much more stable to work on.


Just when I thought I could get a flywheel holder locally I discovered nobody around here has one, not even the speedshop that's been here for decades. I'd have to wait a week to get one in, so I made one.




With the engine done I can now move on to finishing cleaning and painting the engine bay.

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Sweet. You don't eat out of that oven do you? lol

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A little setback

Put the Cherokee up on the hoist again to clean up the underside before the engine goes in. I knew it had some rust under the driver's floor but didn't think it was through. If I can see carpet, that's not good.


Scrapped off the under coating on the passenger side to find this.


I wasn't really looking forward to fixing floors, but I've got all winter to get this finished. Just that my shop is so full with other crap that to pull seats and carpets out and make a big mess is not the best working conditions. The weather is getting new freezing now and even though my shop is heated, I can't be moving stuff outside while I do this. I really hate working in a mess!

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Don't get discouraged. You should be able to knock all that out no problem.

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Oh how I hate rust repairs!

Well the floor is done and I'm almost ready to move forward again.



One more coat of paint in the engine bay and the engine goes in this Saturday.

From then on I hope that the momentum picks up, I want to have this move under it's own power by Christmas.

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Well there she be.


Not as easy as I thought to drop in. I had to unbolt the mount plates from the engine and poke them into the frame adapters, then lower the engine onto them, jiggle the engine around to reinstall the bolts.

Discovered that the DBW throttle body hits the hood.

I think I can trim the hood reinforcement to clear.

Now onward and upward.

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So today I finished tacking my Y-pipe together.


The exhaust is pretty straightforward, 2-1/4" from the collectors to the Y-pipe and then 3" from there back. I'm installing a cutout for the track. Using a cheapo generic Walker muffler, nothing special - 35 bucks.

The right side is tight coming off the collector. I've got a 1/2" on either side of the pipe.


Scads of room on the left side. Good thing, I've got my fuel lines on that side.


Cross member was a breeze. I could have just used some box tubing and drilled a hole for the mount and welded it onto the Jeep cross member. I built a box to the dimensions I needed because I'm installing a driveshaft hoop.




So now I'm starting the wiring.

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Got my cold air intake almost done. Box is built behind the left headlight. Just needs some paint and it's done.




The PCM is can be removed to quickly to check the status of the air filter.

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Still a long way to go.

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What's new??

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Well, I've been working on lots of little bits of this and that.

Welded my O2 bungs on my Y-pipe.
Welded my exhaust cutout in place.
Welded a flange on my muffler to attach to the Y-pipe
Plumbed in my engine oil primer. Pump and tubing mounted. Still needs to be wired to a switch.

Painted my CAI box.
New front shocks installed.
Line-lock plumbed but needs to be wired in.


Working on my shifter linkage now. I'm wanting to keep the stock Jeep console shifter so that requires a reworking of the linkage, from a 3 speed auto linkage to a 4 speed auto. I'll have to do some work with the geometry to get it right for the travel of the cable.

The weather has got so cold that my minimally insulated garage will not warm up to the point my old body is comfortable. My daily hit a curb when I was out on the ice, bent the front suspension so it's out of commission until I can clear the ice and snow in the driveway to get it into my shop. Have to wait till the weather warms up.

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post #44 of 62 Old 12-16-2016, 04:40 PM
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Stupid winter. What kind of cutout did you end up going with?

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I just welded the pipe in place with a cap for now.



The trucks sits high enough that when I'm at the track I can easily crawl under and remove the cap. I haven't decided on what electric cutout to go with yet. I've got a few months before the local track opens so I've got some time.

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Gotcha. That'll work.

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Total expenses so far = 5,755 (likely a few hundred more then this), this includes the purchase of the XJ and trailer rental to bring it home and the purchase of the full size Chevy donor.

So far I've sold 1,240 in unneeded parts from the full size Chevy, still a few hundred in unsold parts left.

So that leaves me with a cash outlay of about $4,515

I'm near the end of the spending, hoping that I've got the bulk of the necessary parts. This is Canadian $$$, in U.S. funds that would be around $3,300

My target cost for this project was 3,500-4,000. As expected costs were more than expected. A few things I would have done differently. I lost about $250 by trying to find OEM exhaust manifolds instead of buying the swap kit. The swap kit was much more than I expected, nearly $900. I had planned to build my own mounts and use OEM manifolds, but when I realized that I was flogging a dead horse I bit the bullet and bought mounts and headers. That accounts for about $1,000 I hadn't planned on spending, but I was just to damn frustrated after the whole exhaust manifold fiasco to build mounts. I wanted to just get this thing done.

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You're killing it dude! Nice work!

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Love this project, keep it up. Can't wait to see a video of it running.
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The PCM is can be removed to quickly to check the status of the air filter.
That's nice thinking ahead. I've tried as much as possible whenever doing vehicle mods to make things more, not less usable. When I lived in Missouri & installed the K&N CAI kit for my 4th gen Camaro, it wound up routing the filter inside the wheel well. You have to jack up at least that side of the car and unscrew several fasteners holding the fender together in order to access it. No bueno. So now I try to avoid that.

Maybe this is why I take so long to finish projects... but hey at least when they're done they're done mostly right!

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