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Old 03-23-2009, 12:24 AM   #1
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Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Besides obvious size difference and possible limited application space. Lets' say size and application space wasn't a foctor, with today's speaker and speaker box technology, why would one choose a 10 or 12" sub? If everything was equal, would the 12" produce more sound/performance compared to the 10"? Whe would you choose one over the other and why?

Just curious

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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

i think the 12 inch would be for deeper bass where as the 10 wouldnt hit the lower tones that the 12 would
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ultimately, with so many options for subs, i could get 8s that hit lower notes than some 18s with as many options as there are out any more, id just get what fit my application, or just to say that i had ___ number of ____ size subs, im putting 2 12s in my truck just purely for the sake of having 2 12s, i could just as easily have done 4 10s or 2 15s had i felt like spending the coin on them, i just didnt feel like finding some that were shallow enough
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

about 2"
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

DAM YOU FORKLIFT that exactly what i was going to say
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

From Crutchfield...

"Q: Which hits harder: one 12" sub or two 10" subs?

A: This is a popular question, and one that's difficult to answer definitively. There are so many factors that come in to play — power, enclosure type and size, as well as your specific vehicle and your individual perception. But, generally speaking, given adequate power the two 10" subs will sound a little cleaner and punch harder because their combined cone surface area yields more sound pressure. The single 12" sub, however, may sound a little deeper."

http://www.crutchfield.com/learn/lea...ofers_faq.html


Im personally thinking about going with 2 10s...im not looking for huge bass that you could get from 2 well powered 12s...i figure with a standard cab im a whole 8 inches away from the subs behind my seat...so 10s are all i really need. My friend just got 2 alpine Rs (12") in his civic...they hit awesome...but its 40% louder/harder in the back seat compared to the front. If you know what i mean?
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedy2222
cone area
X2. The 12" sub will have 34" of additional sq in of surface area compared to a 10" sub, so if they were both given the same power and were placed in the proper enclosure the 12" sub will be louder. Two 10's will be louder than a single 12. One being louder than the other depends on several things, like enclosure, power and vehicle interior.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Quote: Originally Posted by pack of q tips
i think the 12 inch would be for deeper bass where as the 10 wouldnt hit the lower tones that the 12 would
Depending on the specs of the sub and the enclosure it's in you can get an 8" sub to hit lower than a 12" sub.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Quote: Originally Posted by old_skool_noma
ultimately, with so many options for subs, i could get 8s that hit lower notes than some 18s with as many options as there are out any more, id just get what fit my application, or just to say that i had ___ number of ____ size subs, im putting 2 12s in my truck just purely for the sake of having 2 12s, i could just as easily have done 4 10s or 2 15s had i felt like spending the coin on them, i just didnt feel like finding some that were shallow enough
this is where its at.

There is no difference between sizes other than size. The differences come into play when the manufacturer skimps out a bit on the smaller models for less power handling or other things. granted, the t/s parameters change as well.

As far as the ability for a sub to keep up with rapid bass notes, or play certain frequencies... its all bunk when it comes to sizes. A 21 inch sub can and will play rapid bass notes just as well, and just as clean as ANY other size. Its a matter of dampening factor on the amp, and quality of the sub.
Go to a rock concert... look at the massive 20 foot tall tower of speakers and you will see HUGE woofers that have zero trouble playing these rapid notes.

Now, low frequencies are a bit different. As the frequencies drop, so does volume. Having more surface area helps out alot in the reproduction of low sounds, but again... a good quality sub shouldnt have an issue with it in a proper box.

So, "ultimately" the only difference is 2 inches when you disregard the physical differences between models that companies put in to save a buck.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

the size of your penis. ultimately, the bigger subwoofer you have, then the bigger penis you have, obviously. the girls know it, i know it, all the real gangstas know it.

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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

And if you go with a gay square sub, then you obviously have a square penis...
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

sometimes the chicks dig a change though...haha


then you break out the abstracts like triangles and hexagons
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

square pegs do not fit in round holes
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

if you have room for a 10 and use a 12 instead, youll have issues, if you have room for a 10 and use a ten, itll sound better, hows about that?
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

speedy there is no such thing as "does not fit" its, you MAKE it fit hahaha
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Quote: Originally Posted by Hostility_FMX
speedy there is no such thing as "does not fit" its, you MAKE it fit hahaha
no, thats when you bust out your square hole saw. We have one in our shop, right next to the 6x9 hole saw for speakers
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Quote: Originally Posted by Forklift
no, thats when you bust out your square hole saw. We have one in our shop, right next to the 6x9 hole saw for speakers
time to go to bed... it took me a minute to get that one
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

I have 4 8'' Sundown E8's ported at 30hertz at approx 900w. They dominate the lows and are also tight and responsive.

I tend to choose sub sizes that best fit my application.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Quote: Originally Posted by onecrazyfoo4u
And if you go with a gay square sub, then you obviously have a square penis...
square subs hit harder any day of the week jackass
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
square subs hit harder any day of the week jackass
if you say so...

I really hope for your sake you are joking.
Get ready for the if you are serious.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

A perfect circle is the overall best shape for any speaker looking to optimize SQ.
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
square subs hit harder any day of the week jackass

Riiiigggghhhht, then why are there only 2 companies that make square subs? I think there's a reason 99% of the subs out there are ROUND.
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Quote: Originally Posted by onecrazyfoo4u
Riiiigggghhhht, then why are there only 2 companies that make square subs? I think there's a reason 99% of the subs out there are ROUND.
cuz its cheaper to make hmm

why is 99% of shit made in china or taiwan
prolly cuz its cheaper

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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
cuz its cheaper to make hmm

why is 99% of shit made in china or taiwan
prolly cuz its cheaper
which is the gayest excuse you can come up with... you do know that square subs are structurally weaker than than round ones, and in case you havent noticed, round speakers sound better in generally every case than a oval one.

You are obviously an idiot. If square subs were better, than the highest quality subs would be square. Kicker is GARBAGE compared to most of the other brands available. Or, you can keep being a jackass, believing some bullshit fed to you by pimp my ride (jackhammer yo) and continue looking like an idiot.
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
cuz its cheaper to make hmm

why is 99% of shit made in china or taiwan
prolly cuz its cheaper
wow....
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is that also why some of the highest dbs at competitions are useing like 4 solo x 18s nobody else was smart enough to patent the design and their stronger than round ones
round ones have no bracing on the cone square ones do

their are alot of badass round ones to tho
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
is that also why some of the highest dbs at competitions are useing like 4 solo x 18s nobody else was smart enough to patent the design and their stronger than round ones
round ones have no bracing on the cone square ones do

their are alot of badass round ones to tho


actually not that many ppl use them because they're unreliable, ever wonder why solo x's have that slap and go recone? it's because they constantly need to be reconed that they decided to make it convienent.


and no they dont have some of the highest, one of my subs can own the f*ck out a solo x even at half power
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
is that also why some of the highest dbs at competitions are useing like 4 solo x 18s nobody else was smart enough to patent the design and their stronger than round ones
round ones have no bracing on the cone square ones do

their are alot of badass round ones to tho
the only reason people use them is that its massive cone area for "cheap" otherwise they sound like complete and utter shit, round>any other shape, it has equal pressure in every direction on the cone, thus reducing the need for bracing in the first place, and just because you say round speakers arent braced i have to pull out the

the JL W7 series has a w shaped cone bracing system, and the concave dustcap also reduces flex just becasue of the curved shape
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
is that also why some of the highest dbs at competitions are useing like 4 solo x 18s nobody else was smart enough to patent the design and their stronger than round ones
round ones have no bracing on the cone square ones do

their are alot of badass round ones to tho
really? because the world record is held with a single ROUND sub.

The "highest dbs" at comps around your area may be full of retard rocking solx subs and pulling like 150 db tops. There are dual 10 setups that are louder than a single solox 18 running 5k rms, and cost half as much.
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Round sub FTMFW
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
square subs hit harder any day of the week jackass
its true that they can take up more area than a round speaker, but a nice deep coned, equally sized sub with great excursion will hit just as hard and sound way better with less distortion, jackass
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10's produce more of a thump, while 12's have more boom to them.
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Only thing a square sub has over a round one is more surface area, which can mean more db's in the right application, but there are very very few people actually running square subs in competitions. Well at least with the serious competitors, only rookies use a square sub. My two 10" Fi's have beaten many dual sub set up's with 12" L7's and 15" L7's. The few guys I've seen running those L7's ended up frying the coils and sometimes the corners blew out.
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

With today's technology, 8's, 10's, 12's, 15's, it doesn't matter. Any of them can and will hit just as hard and just as deep as the next given their design, the technology applied, the enclosure, the power and how and where it is located in the vehicle.

A long time ago, I once had a single old school Rockford Punch 8" in a long, slender tuned enclosure with 300 watts that out-slammed my friend's (2) JL 12W2's in a large tuned enclosure with 600 watts. It boiled down to the enclosure design, the driver and the vehicle it was installed in.

I once also had (more recently however) a single 12" MA Audio in a 2cf sealed enclosure that completely out-performed (3) JL 10W6's in a 3cf sealed enclosure (each driver had its own 1cf chamber). The MA Audio played deeper, harder, cleaner and was far better at SQ than the JL's, though the JL's did have a slight SPL advantage, but not much. Everything else in the system was the same including the vehicle, and they were both being fed 800 watts.

Size really doesn't matter that much anymore these days. It's all a matter of how the driver is implemented into the system.
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Couldn't have said it better, size doesn't really matter nowadays.

Just remember though, square subs suck at SQ !
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Quote: Originally Posted by onecrazyfoo4u
Couldn't have said it better, size doesn't really matter nowadays.

Just remember though, square subs suck !
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Quote: Originally Posted by dustin42069
is that also why some of the highest dbs at competitions are useing like 4 solo x 18s nobody else was smart enough to patent the design and their stronger than round ones
round ones have no bracing on the cone square ones do

their are alot of badass round ones to tho

Kicker doesn't have a patent on a square sub, square subs have been around since the early 70's. I think SONY was the first company to build a square woofer into one of their home speaker cabinets. If I remember right they were red. Kicker may have re-introduced the "technology", but they didn't invent it...

And round subwoofers DO sound better, period. I run (1) 10" sub in my truck and I love it!
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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Take the name calling aside, I must say this is a interesting thread for my novice audio knowledge. Excluding this board, I particiapte on another S-truck forum (verly seldom), two Nissan's and two Land Rover boards. And all have a audio section. I have to give credit where credit is due, I knew there was a reason why I choice this board to post my question.
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Yeah, that's why I joined this s10 blazer forum, the audio section has some good stuff!

I can rest my case that people who run square subs really do have square penis's.
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Quote: Originally Posted by onecrazyfoo4u
Yeah, that's why I joined this s10 blazer forum, the audio section has some good stuff!

I can rest my case that people who run square subs don't really have penis's.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Farmacist
Round sub FTMFW
X2



Mmm fully loaded BTL's in the 18" flavor. Gotta love 'em. (and some little 12" Type R's.)
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Quote: Originally Posted by indytrucks
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Mmm fully loaded BTL's in the 18" flavor. Gotta love 'em. (and some little 12" Type R's.)

HOLY shit...it still amazes me every time i see the 18s compared to 12s. My friend just got 2 12" Rs...and damn they are badass. I can only imagine Fi 18s.....
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Seriously. Look at the height difference too.




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wow
how much were the fully loaded btl's
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Quote: Originally Posted by Masta Squidge
Fixed.

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audioque >FI
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Quote: Originally Posted by Speedy2222
audioque >FI
And FI Q series > solox and the sad part is you can probably get three of them louder than a single solox for less money. But seriously... we arent comparing brands here, we are just explaining how much square subs, and kicker in general is terribad.


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Re: Ultimately, what's the difference between a 10" and 12" sub woofer?

Yeah this did get way off topic. Sorry to the OP. Really the only difference is the size of the box needed and cone area.
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Quote: Originally Posted by lsm
Kicker doesn't have a patent on a square sub, square subs have been around since the early 70's. I think SONY was the first company to build a square woofer into one of their home speaker cabinets. If I remember right they were red. Kicker may have re-introduced the "technology", but they didn't invent it...

And round subwoofers DO sound better, period. I run (1) 10" sub in my truck and I love it!
not red...had a buddy that had a pair back in the day

i searched ebay and found a pair....




http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-apm790-Two-Speakers-In-Top-Condition-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ250393409218QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeak ers_Subwoofers?hash=item250393409218&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1| 240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
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