How To: High Output AD244 Alternator for ~$80

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by ColinMc

Looks like a waste of money actually...and that's 50+ bucks of the 200 I quoted for the setup lol. It's not an adapter but just looks like a heavier duty ground and power wire...so 2 of the "Big Three" which is cheaper/easier to do yourself.

I figured it was an adapter setup like you did, but apparently not after looking at it more closely it's not needed assuming you are doing/have done the big three already.

So the alternator itself is under 140 bucks at NAPA with an employee discount and the belt should be around 10 bucks.

Oh I see, gotcha. My belt was like $38 or something.

Are you sure this new 200 amp AD244 will "plug and play"? I've heard they won't, but I very well could be wrong here. Any chance you have a pic of it? More info we have the better

[neo71665]

Quote: Originally Posted by VoRtEcZr243

This may sound like a stupid question, but what's the difference between a "60* V6" and my 4.3L V6 in my Zr2.....

First we have a CS130 and you have a cs130D from the factory. Basically the same alt but yours has some newer style plugs and such.

CS130
http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:R...tors/cs130.jpg

CS130d
http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:1...ges_1/8233.jpg

Your cs130d has one wire in the electrical plug on the back slot F is I recall. Our cs130 has 2 in the back in slot l and f.

The plugs are different. The CS130 shares the same newer plug as the AD series. Notice how the older one is squared and has a key in it where the newer one doesn't. The older one is referred to as the dogleg plug.

CS130 plug
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:...M_Alt_Plug.jpg

CS130d plug
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:...0/314_PLUG.jpg


I can't just swap my wires over to the newer plug and plug it in. I've tried looking for the adapter to go cs130-ad244 and nobody makes one. I have to find some time and trace what each wire does in my plug and try to find a good detailed schematic for a ad244.

Untill then I'm stuck with my lil 200 amp CS144, lol. Kinda sucks because I like the cooling and bigger bearings benefits the AD244 gives.

[bg's]

Yea your right. I didn't read the whole thread and missed
where you posted about plugs. It would seem that
the illustration I posted would help with the wiring,
but a full schematic would be best.

[scr8pins10]

so will it fit on a 1st gen 2.5 without any mod.....

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by scr8pins10

so will it fit on a 1st gen 2.5 without any mod.....

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedy2222

any idefa if this will work on 1st gens? i know they bolt in different locations but i have no idea, havnt looked into even swapping between 4.3s

Quote: Originally Posted by VoRtEcZr243

Yes it will. I got this information from neo71665 in this thread, post #45:

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f27/fo...nators-365674/

I haven't done it myself, but from what neo is saying, it will.

You tell me

That was actually the 2nd and 3rd posts of this thread. I'm not trying to be too much of a d!ck here, but it does help to read through the thread, even if it will take 5 minutes of your time, as most of your questions will be answered

[neo71665]

Your jumping the gun. I've only said it will for sure bolt on those 2 first gens. Not sure how the wiring is on a stock 2.5 since that part of my truck has been long gone since the v8 swap.

Truth on the swap I made. I had it in and wired up like I thought it should and it ran fine until I turned the headlights on (3 days after the swap) then found out something was screwy. This is why I'm having to trace wires and go into it further. First time I just swapped plugs to the newer style but the reg is wired different between my CS130 and a AD244 so it didn't work.

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

Your jumping the gun. I've only said it will for sure bolt on those 2 first gens. Not sure how the wiring is on a stock 2.5 since that part of my truck has been long gone since the v8 swap.

Truth on the swap I made. I had it in and wired up like I thought it should and it ran fine until I turned the headlights on (3 days after the swap) then found out something was screwy. This is why I'm having to trace wires and go into it further. First time I just swapped plugs to the newer style but the reg is wired different between my CS130 and a AD244 so it didn't work.

So we don't know on the 2.5 then..... my mistake.

I only know that the 4.3 non-vortec came in the 1st gens, I'm not familiar at all with any of the other motors.

[neo71665]

I know it will bolt to the bracket on a 2.5 and thats all I'll put my name behind. Until I can find an old 2.5 truck and see what its like under the hood I'm not gonna say anything.

[ColinMc]

Quote: Originally Posted by VoRtEcZr243

Oh I see, gotcha. My belt was like $38 or something.

Are you sure this new 200 amp AD244 will "plug and play"? I've heard they won't, but I very well could be wrong here. Any chance you have a pic of it? More info we have the better

I'll find out this week, I ordered one in with the overprices "adapter kit" Just to see what everything looks like. I should have everything on wednesday i'd guess. I'll take pics and compare it to the brand new regulat AD244 I already have sitting at work.

[ColinMc]

Well I got the HO 200 amp alternator in...plug and mounting points...everything is literally identical to the non HO one. Except for the sticker that says 1N-4812HD on it you would never know it was the high output/heavy duty one. So I'm gonna go for it lol. I'll take some pics tonight and post them...not of the install I have the distributor to worry about first, but of the alternator itself. The wire kit hasn't come in yet, but i'm not planning on getting that since it looks like a waste of money.

[ColinMc]

Quote: Originally Posted by ColinMc

Well I got the HO 200 amp alternator in...plug and mounting points...everything is literally identical to the non HO one. Except for the sticker that says 1N-4812HD on it you would never know it was the high output/heavy duty one. So I'm gonna go for it lol. I'll take some pics tonight and post them...not of the install I have the distributor to worry about first, but of the alternator itself. The wire kit hasn't come in yet, but i'm not planning on getting that since it looks like a waste of money.

Correction, just got the wiring kit too...i'll take some pics of that but I don't thnk it's worth the money. It's just a new power cable for the alternator with a monster inline fuse/circuit breaker doohicky, and a new ground cable...nothing I couldn't make for a lot cheaper.

[B_Rich]

ColinMc, any updates?

Pictures would be great too

[B_Rich]

Also, I don't think you said what year and model vehicle it came off of?

[ColinMc]

Ok sorry bout that...I brought my digital camera to work today and i'll take some pics. To make it easy I looked up a 2005 Saab 9-7X with the 5.3L V8. It fits a CRAPLOAD of other applications but that's the one vehicle that only lists one alternator...as apposed to an 03 or newer chevy/gmc pickup where they list a million different ones. I'll take a few pics and post em on my lunch break today.

[ColinMc]

I have some pics finally! They are big so be warned...

Here's the wiring "kit" looks to have a monster fuse, and comes with battery terminal extender thingies...as well as a new ground wire:




Here is the alternator, not sure if these pics help at all...but it is a dead on match for the standard AD244 when I compare it. Clock position, plug type, mounting holes...you name it:

[ChrisInVT]

Awesome.


Now who's going to wire one up to a 60*V6?

[neo71665]

I vote you

[ColinMc]

I'll actually be using the High Output alternator but I already have too much billed to my employee account this month...so it'll be the first week in february. I'll report back, I will be doing the Big Three but NOT using the expensive wire kit pictured above. So unfortunately I won't be reporting back until after that happens. That's for my 02 S10 with the 4.3 btw.

[B_Rich]

Wow awesome find Colin, I'm glad its working out for you.

That thing looks like a beast.....

200A peak, 100A at idle, all while at 14.4v, correct? <- I just wanna double check. If that's the case, I'll be doing this mod when my current AD244 takes a sh!t on me.

Thanks for the info Colin, great looking piece of equipment you got there

[ColinMc]

Yeah according to the spec sheet it's identical to the AD244 just a higher peak ouput of 200amp is all. Not sure if the idle amperage will be any higher...but I have a high end voltage/amperage tester and can report back when I do the install (2 weeks or so)

[B_Rich]

Colin, one last thing. Does it say "200A" right on it like the 130 and 145's do?

[steve0o09]

i will probably be getting one of these alternators for my 01 4.3 v6 vortec blazer. the thing is, i was told on here that for my sound system i will need 200-250 amp alt. and i was also told 300 amp alt. from someone else. so will this alternator be enough for me??

ive got a fully loaded 18" fi btl ran by a saz3000d running at 3000 watts rms. will the alt. work for me? if not is it possible to "beef up" this alt. to work for me?

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by steve0o09

i will probably be getting one of these alternators for my 01 4.3 v6 vortec blazer. the thing is, i was told on here that for my sound system i will need 200-250 amp alt. and i was also told 300 amp alt. from someone else. so will this alternator be enough for me??

ive got a fully loaded 18" fi btl ran by a saz3000d running at 3000 watts rms. will the alt. work for me? if not is it possible to "beef up" this alt. to work for me?

Yeah, that's pushing it for a stock AD244. Yes, it's underrated slightly, but not nearly that much.

Yes it's possible to "beef up" this alternator, but do your research first. There is a VERY good chance that you will loose output (amperage and voltage; aka lights dimming) at idle. I'm not guaranteeing that you'll loose output at idle, but that's what happend to me with my CS130D when I had it "beefed up". I've learned this the hard way.

Check out the Part 2 link that's in my signature, and it'll give you an idea of what I went through.

Just do your research first and ask as many questions as you can about beefing one up.

And, of course, there is always the 200A version that Colin found. You might want to look into that alternator.

[10Droped]

hey ColinMc how much did you say your unit cost you?

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

I vote you

Get me one and I will

[ColinMc]

Quote: Originally Posted by VoRtEcZr243

Colin, one last thing. Does it say "200A" right on it like the 130 and 145's do?

It does not, but the stock AD244 New NAPA alternator doesn't say any amperage on the outside either. I'll double check both this afternoon though.

Quote: Originally Posted by 10Droped

hey ColinMc how much did you say your unit cost you?

The HO one cost me 144.47 after tax. Won't be billed to my account until next month though so I won't be taking it home until then. That's NAPA employee pricing through work...so much better than over the counter would be. Make friends with a NAPA employee, or at the least bring cash, be nice and ask if they can help you out lol.

[neo71665]

I think I might have the first gen 2 wires vs 1 wire ad244 problem figured out. More on it later after I get home from work. The wiring schematics I have only include the 2.5 and 2.8 (only options in 87) so the 4.3 guys might have to chime in.

[neo71665]

I think I have the 2 wires narrowed down. The wire we don't need is the brown wire (circuit 25 in the GM service book). From the best I can tell all it does is run the alt light on the dash. Since I also have the full gauge cluster it doesn't bother me to not have the idiot light.

As soon as I get my hands on another AD244 I'm gonna have to try it again. I had to sell my last one because somebody offered me double than what I gave for it, lol.

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

I think I have the 2 wires narrowed down. The wire we don't need is the brown wire (circuit 25 in the GM service book). From the best I can tell all it does is run the alt light on the dash. Since I also have the full gauge cluster it doesn't bother me to not have the idiot light.

As soon as I get my hands on another AD244 I'm gonna have to try it again. I had to sell my last one because somebody offered me double than what I gave for it, lol.

Can't beat that deal haha.

[Stephen_C]

Ok i look at my 98 sonoma sls with the 4.3 and the regulator plug only has 1 wire going to it.... will this mod still work?

[neo71665]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen_C

Ok i look at my 98 sonoma sls with the 4.3 and the regulator plug only has 1 wire going to it.... will this mod still work?

Somebody didn't read the thread, plug and play for most of you second gen guys.

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

Somebody didn't read the thread, plug and play for most of you second gen guys.

ALL of us second gen guys.

The amount and color of wires doesn't matter. The only thing that that means is how your PCM "reads" the alternator and regulator.

Some years had 1, some 3, some 4 (I believe). They all should work.

[neo71665]

I said most cause I have no clue about 2nd gens. I know some of the 94-96 (obd1.5 guys) were more like first gens than the latter ones. Not sure if this included the alt wiring.

I do know the first gens reg is wired up different than the 2nd gens, lol.

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by neo71665

I said most cause I have no clue about 2nd gens. I know some of the 94-96 (obd1.5 guys) were more like first gens than the latter ones. Not sure if this included the alt wiring.

I do know the first gens reg is wired up different than the 2nd gens, lol.

Yeah I know, I just wanted to clarify for anyone who had the same quesiton.

[Gearstix]

I may pick up one or two of those alternators that Colin found. I don't care if I have to make brackets or not. I'm going to be using it to charge a separate battery bank for my stereo.

The connector on the alternator, does that have to be utilized?

[Stephen_C]

well i just bought one off ebay..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=

i only have about 1600 rms for now, i plan to do a test with the old alt and new one. i will post up the results

[B_Rich]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gearstix

I may pick up one or two of those alternators that Colin found. I don't care if I have to make brackets or not. I'm going to be using it to charge a separate battery bank for my stereo.

The connector on the alternator, does that have to be utilized?

I've READ that when you use more than one alternator, that you just "piggy back" the harnesses together. So when you buy that second alternator, make sure you get a harness with it, too.

Don't quote me on this information, this is just what I've read. If I were you I would get some more research on this. Like I said, don't take my word for it.

[Gearstix]

Quote: Originally Posted by VoRtEcZr243

I've READ that when you use more than one alternator, that you just "piggy back" the harnesses together. So when you buy that second alternator, make sure you get a harness with it, too.

Don't quote me on this information, this is just what I've read. If I were you I would get some more research on this. Like I said, don't take my word for it.

I'll see what I can find out. I want to build a separate charging circuit for my stereo. That way theres no light diming, and then theres no load of the stock gear on the stereo...

[Stephen_C]

http://www.missinglinkaudio.com/

they make a module for multiple alts that will keep battery lights off on you dash and keep all the alts charging 100%. They can also make they charge at a little higher voltage if you would like.

[Gearstix]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen_C

http://www.missinglinkaudio.com/

they make a module for multiple alts that will keep battery lights off on you dash and keep all the alts charging 100%. They can also make they charge at a little higher voltage if you would like.

Yup, I've seen that.
I still would like to do a 'separate' charging circuit though.

[Stephen_C]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gearstix

Yup, I've seen that.
I still would like to do a 'separate' charging circuit though.

they make a standalone module that needs nothing but power and ground. dont know if you know that.

Or are you thinking of an alt with an adjustable external regulator?

[Gearstix]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen_C

they make a standalone module that needs nothing but power and ground. dont know if you know that.

Or are you thinking of an alt with an adjustable external regulator?

I won't be doing a 16V setup or whatnot, and I don't want an adjustable regulator.
I know the MLA module won't do 16V..
I just want to do a regular setup, just with a separate charging system dedicated to the stereo only.

[Gearstix]

I went and looked at the plug on my 94 2.2, it *looks* to be the same plug. I didn't look at the position of the plug though. I'm pretty sure theres enough slack to connect it up, if not I'm sure you could extend the wires or make up something. I haven't got a AD244 to see if its close to fiting to the stock bracket.... I'm pretty sure I can manage to make an alternator bracket.

I can't remember what came stock on my 2.2 off the top of my head. I think its a CS series alt, which has a diff plug, with the exception of the CS130D, which has the same plug as the ADs...

I'll have to verify it..

[Gearstix]

Okay heres what I found.
My 1994 2.2 has a CS130D. This has the same plug as the AD244.
The AD244 might fit right up, it may not.
If it does, I'll probably pick up 2.

OK...

94 2.2 CS130D

Quote:

1-1802-31DR-1
(Ref. Num. 8160-7N)
Alternator - Delco CS130D Series
100 Amp/12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley, 08:00 Plug Clock

Used On:
(1997-94) Chevrolet S, T Series Pickup 2.2L
(1997-94) GMC Sonoma 2.2L
(1997-96) Isuzu Hombre 2.2L
Replaces:
Delco 10479984, 10480187
Lester Nos:
8160
Components:
24-1271 Pulley
D702XHD (35-132) P-L-I-S Regulator
Features:
100% New
OE performance output curve
OE interchangeable components, officially licensed & manufactured with Remy's patent-protected technology
WAI-Transpo premium rectifier featuring press-fit avalanche diodes
WAI-Transpo premium regulator with 20A MOSFET field transistor
Premium, hi-temperature WBD bearings
Hi-temperature class-H windings
Precision CNC machined castings

94 4.3 CS130D

Quote:

1-1802-21DR-1
(Ref. Num. 8160-5N)
Alternator - Delco CS130D Series
100 Amp/12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley, 05:00 Plug Clock

Used On:
(1995-94) Chevrolet Blazer, S, T Series Pickup 4.3L
(1995-94) GMC Jimmy 4.3L, Sonoma 4.3L
(1994) Oldsmobile Bravada 4.3L
Replaces:
Delco 10479981, 10480188
Lester Nos:
8160
Components:
24-1271 Pulley
D702XHD (35-132) P-L-I-S Regulator
Features:
100% New
OE performance output curve
OE interchangeable components, officially licensed & manufactured with Remy's patent-protected technology
WAI-Transpo premium rectifier featuring press-fit avalanche diodes
WAI-Transpo premium regulator with 20A MOSFET field transistor
Premium, hi-temperature WBD bearings
Hi-temperature class-H windings
Precision CNC machined castings

[Stephen_C]

cool, i have a cavalier with the 2.2 and would not mind a bigger alt on it

[Gearstix]

Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen_C

cool, i have a cavalier with the 2.2 and would not mind a bigger alt on it

I'm not sure if the case is any different though, you may have to make up brackets.
I looked at the 2000 alternator, both for the 4.3 seemed the same specs, just the plug was at a different position.

I may get a price at Napa on those 200 amp ones, and I messaged MLA, they can set me up with a module for whatever I want to do.

[evanspears1]

Please... let us fellow tutu'ers know if it works! this would be so much cheaper than getting a custom built cs... this would be perfect for my system...

on a side note has anyone ever made a custom bracket and run 2 cs's before, I got a spare...

[Stephen_C]

not mine but im waiting on mine to be built.

[evanspears1]

is that something that is "commercially" available, or is it something someone you know makes?

sorry for the threadjacking!

[Stephen_C]

Quote: Originally Posted by evanspears1

is that something that is "commercially" available, or is it something someone you know makes?

sorry for the threadjacking!

someone i know makes it. He is working on getting a template made so he can sell a few. (maybe, still dont know exactly what he has planned.)