Grounds

Futuresweets10 · 10-02-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

obviously you have never used the proper tool!it's faster/easier/and the clips NEVER go for the wild ride

Ok, you said door handle, so I assumed you meant door handles; however, a door handle clip never goes for a wild ride. That must mean you are talking about window cranks instead of door handles, and yes..... I have a window crank tool

**Sir Toad** · 10-02-2007, 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10

Ok, you said door handle, so I assumed you meant door handles; however, a door handle clip never goes for a wild ride. That must mean you are talking about window cranks instead of door handles, and yes..... I have a window crank tool

yes i meant window cranks.......i guess i said door handles because i just did a honda odyssey....the sliding door handles have the same kind of retainer as window cranks.....so yes....the door handle clips can go for a ride

you gotta try harder to get me on a technicality

(and just FYI...my clip tool was at home so i used a hook tool to release the clip and it went for a ride......it sprung out the backside.....hit the backside of the door jamb and bounced back in my lap!)

bladehines · 10-02-2007, 10:50 AM

i have a pencil solderer, but everytime i use it i burn the hell out of something. my leg, hand, where ever the solder drips.... etc.... lol

so that is why i want a cold soldering iron, a cold soldering iron heats up super quick when you want it too, and cools off even quicker so you can't burn your self on the tip when you are not soldering

http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/cold-soldering.htm

**Sir Toad** · 10-02-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by bladehines

i have a pencil solderer, but everytime i use it i burn the hell out of something. my leg, hand, where ever the solder drips.... etc.... lol

so that is why i want a cold soldering iron, a cold soldering iron heats up super quick when you want it too, and cools off even quicker so you can't burn your self on the tip when you are not soldering

http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/cold-soldering.htm

i think you better stick to crimping

greencactus3 · 10-02-2007, 11:07 AM

since the cold soldering is brought up. does that work better than the usual soldering i do with my iron?
ive heard the radioshack's cold soldering thingy sucks ass

juddspaintballs · 10-02-2007, 08:39 PM

i have that coldheat soldering iron. SUCKS ASS! wouldn't melt the smallest solder radio shack sells on a 18awg wire. i don't even know where that piece of shit is. its no where around my soldering gear though.

92 s10 project · 10-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Tried to use one of those cold heat soldering things myself. Boss bought one at work to have me use instead of a reg iron, and I couldnt get the solder to melt, let alone get the wire to the inner part of the tip where its actually hot all the time either. Those things suck ass unless youre working with 30 ga wire and solder just as small and shitty.

tamillac7 · 10-08-2007, 10:23 PM

to get a good ground u should go to ur frame right? could u ground to ur cab(inside) and then on the bottom side of the cab(outside) ground to ur frame/chassis? or would it not be worth the effort to ground the cab to the frame/chassis?

juddspaintballs · 10-09-2007, 02:21 AM

you could do that and it would work. but its still better to go straight to the frame. why interrupt high conductive copper wire with a 1/16" steel plate and a crappy bolt. it just makes a choke point is all i'm saying.

futuredragger · 12-15-2007, 03:03 PM

Just one of them random things i've heard and i'm not wanting to start anything but the only semi-valid point I have ever seen to not relying on solder only is that some solders the electrical conduction properties are not as good as the copper wire and copper terminals. Now there are some solders out there that are great but other cheaper solders well we know they suck. I mean the difference is minuscule but the point is valid none the less.

Oh yeah i know i brought up and old thread but ahh poop happens.

neo71665 · 02-17-2008, 02:06 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by futuredragger

Just one of them random things i've heard and i'm not wanting to start anything but the only semi-valid point I have ever seen to not relying on solder only is that some solders the electrical conduction properties are not as good as the copper wire and copper terminals. Now there are some solders out there that are great but other cheaper solders well we know they suck. I mean the difference is minuscule but the point is valid none the less.

Oh yeah i know i brought up and old thread but ahh poop happens.

Yawn, yes its true lead doesn't allow the exchange of electrons as easy as copper but the difference is so small you'll never notice it. I can see if I can find some numbers for you if you want to split hairs but I'd rather not have to look through my electrical books for it.

**Sir Toad** · 02-17-2008, 02:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by juddspaintballs

you could do that and it would work. but its still better to go straight to the frame. why interrupt high conductive copper wire with a 1/16" steel plate and a crappy bolt. it just makes a choke point is all i'm saying.

i have been like that for awhile.......

Bmanxer · 06-19-2008, 05:32 AM

Damn, so what kind of equipment do you guys use? I do a lot of soldering over here but it's always what's on hand...I'd like to get myself some good quality stuff,

What do ya'll use for
Solder:
Flux:
Rosin:
Gun/pencil/iron, etc
Anything else:

**Sir Toad** · 06-19-2008, 03:55 PM

i use rosin core solder and either a pencil iron or a propane torch depending on what i am soldering

max1million · 06-09-2009, 07:44 PM

A good cleaning makes a difference, even with rosin. Crimp first is a crutch for poor job. Pencil tip torch is nice for the big stuff that you can pull out. Quicker heating means less time for it to soak back and melt insulation, if any. Common electronics solder is tin/lead mix but you can get lead free (mostly tin) like plumbing solder.

leprechaun1874 · 06-09-2009, 08:17 PM

holy thread digging batman!

max1million · 06-11-2009, 10:56 AM

Oh, didn't notice. "And you may ask yourself-well...how did I get here?" I just did. "My god!...what have I done?"

CraigDavid · 09-25-2009, 12:53 AM

is there any easy way (with no special tools) to crimp a 1/0 wire? or should i just find someone to solder them? gonna do the big 3 soon and dont want any problems with it.

max1million · 09-25-2009, 09:38 PM

Visegrip, or hammer & cold chisel or flat blade screw driver could be used to dent in length wise, so that you can fold the sides tighter. Or center punch or phillips head to dimple it in, in the middle. Doing it in an angle (L) or grove (cut in wood block or such) will help to keep it from just flattening. Sealing it (silicone or grease) will help it last in the weather. A good soldering job makes solid connection that strong, & resists weather/movement.

Mr.woodscrewsNbondo · 09-25-2009, 10:58 PM

i ran a 4ga from my starting batt to the alt bracket then to the firewall then to the left side of the frame. in the back a 4ga goes from the left side of the frame to the system batt then to a split bolt junction from the junction to the right side of frame, the amp grounds go to the junction also

therule546 · 09-27-2009, 06:54 PM

I use a propane torch for large wires and a weller gun for smaller. Couldnt be happier. I had a iron at some point, but I ALWAYS burned myself, then Id get pissed. Not to mention my gun heats up in 10 seconds, and the iron takes 15 minutes to get to temp.

I saw someone tow a car with a soldered 1/0 one time, was neat.

10-02-2007, 10:07 AM	#51
Futuresweets10 former title junky mod Age: 23 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6,453 Location: Biloxi MS User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad obviously you have never used the proper tool!it's faster/easier/and the clips NEVER go for the wild ride Ok, you said door handle, so I assumed you meant door handles; however, a door handle clip never goes for a wild ride. That must mean you are talking about window cranks instead of door handles, and yes..... I have a window crank tool
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10-02-2007, 10:42 AM	#52
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,525 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10 Ok, you said door handle, so I assumed you meant door handles; however, a door handle clip never goes for a wild ride. That must mean you are talking about window cranks instead of door handles, and yes..... I have a window crank tool yes i meant window cranks.......i guess i said door handles because i just did a honda odyssey....the sliding door handles have the same kind of retainer as window cranks.....so yes....the door handle clips can go for a ride you gotta try harder to get me on a technicality (and just FYI...my clip tool was at home so i used a hook tool to release the clip and it went for a ride......it sprung out the backside.....hit the backside of the door jamb and bounced back in my lap!)
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10-02-2007, 10:50 AM	#53
bladehines ASASN8 Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,616 Location: Bowling Green, KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i have a pencil solderer, but everytime i use it i burn the hell out of something. my leg, hand, where ever the solder drips.... etc.... lol so that is why i want a cold soldering iron, a cold soldering iron heats up super quick when you want it too, and cools off even quicker so you can't burn your self on the tip when you are not soldering http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/cold-soldering.htm
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10-02-2007, 10:54 AM	#54
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,525 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by bladehines i have a pencil solderer, but everytime i use it i burn the hell out of something. my leg, hand, where ever the solder drips.... etc.... lol so that is why i want a cold soldering iron, a cold soldering iron heats up super quick when you want it too, and cools off even quicker so you can't burn your self on the tip when you are not soldering http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/cold-soldering.htm i think you better stick to crimping
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10-02-2007, 11:07 AM	#55
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,488 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds since the cold soldering is brought up. does that work better than the usual soldering i do with my iron? ive heard the radioshack's cold soldering thingy sucks ass
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10-02-2007, 08:39 PM	#56
juddspaintballs I pee standing Age: 24 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,097 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i have that coldheat soldering iron. SUCKS ASS! wouldn't melt the smallest solder radio shack sells on a 18awg wire. i don't even know where that piece of shit is. its no where around my soldering gear though.
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10-07-2007, 08:02 PM	#57
92 s10 project R/C Guru Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 605 Location: St Louis, MO User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Tried to use one of those cold heat soldering things myself. Boss bought one at work to have me use instead of a reg iron, and I couldnt get the solder to melt, let alone get the wire to the inner part of the tip where its actually hot all the time either. Those things suck ass unless youre working with 30 ga wire and solder just as small and shitty.
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10-08-2007, 10:23 PM	#58
tamillac7 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 42 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds to get a good ground u should go to ur frame right? could u ground to ur cab(inside) and then on the bottom side of the cab(outside) ground to ur frame/chassis? or would it not be worth the effort to ground the cab to the frame/chassis?
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10-09-2007, 02:21 AM	#59
juddspaintballs I pee standing Age: 24 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,097 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds you could do that and it would work. but its still better to go straight to the frame. why interrupt high conductive copper wire with a 1/16" steel plate and a crappy bolt. it just makes a choke point is all i'm saying.
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12-15-2007, 03:03 PM	#60
futuredragger Diztorted Dreamz Age: 23 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Eastern KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Just one of them random things i've heard and i'm not wanting to start anything but the only semi-valid point I have ever seen to not relying on solder only is that some solders the electrical conduction properties are not as good as the copper wire and copper terminals. Now there are some solders out there that are great but other cheaper solders well we know they suck. I mean the difference is minuscule but the point is valid none the less. Oh yeah i know i brought up and old thread but ahh poop happens.
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02-17-2008, 02:06 AM	#61
neo71665 4x4 v6 blazer Age: 29 Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,002 Location: rison arkansas User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by futuredragger Just one of them random things i've heard and i'm not wanting to start anything but the only semi-valid point I have ever seen to not relying on solder only is that some solders the electrical conduction properties are not as good as the copper wire and copper terminals. Now there are some solders out there that are great but other cheaper solders well we know they suck. I mean the difference is minuscule but the point is valid none the less. Oh yeah i know i brought up and old thread but ahh poop happens. Yawn, yes its true lead doesn't allow the exchange of electrons as easy as copper but the difference is so small you'll never notice it. I can see if I can find some numbers for you if you want to split hairs but I'd rather not have to look through my electrical books for it.
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02-17-2008, 02:38 AM	#62
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,525 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by juddspaintballs you could do that and it would work. but its still better to go straight to the frame. why interrupt high conductive copper wire with a 1/16" steel plate and a crappy bolt. it just makes a choke point is all i'm saying. i have been like that for awhile.......
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06-19-2008, 05:32 AM	#63
Bmanxer Registered User Age: 22 Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 552 Location: (VA Beach,VA) (FWB,FL) User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Damn, so what kind of equipment do you guys use? I do a lot of soldering over here but it's always what's on hand...I'd like to get myself some good quality stuff, What do ya'll use for Solder: Flux: Rosin: Gun/pencil/iron, etc Anything else:
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06-19-2008, 03:55 PM	#64
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,525 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i use rosin core solder and either a pencil iron or a propane torch depending on what i am soldering
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06-09-2009, 07:44 PM	#65
max1million Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 179 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds A good cleaning makes a difference, even with rosin. Crimp first is a crutch for poor job. Pencil tip torch is nice for the big stuff that you can pull out. Quicker heating means less time for it to soak back and melt insulation, if any. Common electronics solder is tin/lead mix but you can get lead free (mostly tin) like plumbing solder.
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06-09-2009, 08:17 PM	#66
leprechaun1874 Boobies Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,129 Location: Charlotte User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds holy thread digging batman!
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06-11-2009, 10:56 AM	#67
max1million Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 179 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Oh, didn't notice. "And you may ask yourself-well...how did I get here?" I just did. "My god!...what have I done?"
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09-25-2009, 12:53 AM	#68
CraigDavid not low enough Age: 23 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,292 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds is there any easy way (with no special tools) to crimp a 1/0 wire? or should i just find someone to solder them? gonna do the big 3 soon and dont want any problems with it.
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09-25-2009, 09:38 PM	#69
max1million Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 179 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Visegrip, or hammer & cold chisel or flat blade screw driver could be used to dent in length wise, so that you can fold the sides tighter. Or center punch or phillips head to dimple it in, in the middle. Doing it in an angle (L) or grove (cut in wood block or such) will help to keep it from just flattening. Sealing it (silicone or grease) will help it last in the weather. A good soldering job makes solid connection that strong, & resists weather/movement.
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09-25-2009, 10:58 PM	#70
Mr.woodscrewsNbondo rolling work in progress Age: 19 Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,288 Location: nlr ar User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i ran a 4ga from my starting batt to the alt bracket then to the firewall then to the left side of the frame. in the back a 4ga goes from the left side of the frame to the system batt then to a split bolt junction from the junction to the right side of frame, the amp grounds go to the junction also
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09-27-2009, 06:54 PM	#71
therule546 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,479 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I use a propane torch for large wires and a weller gun for smaller. Couldnt be happier. I had a iron at some point, but I ALWAYS burned myself, then Id get pissed. Not to mention my gun heats up in 10 seconds, and the iron takes 15 minutes to get to temp. I saw someone tow a car with a soldered 1/0 one time, was neat.
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