Grounds

97SSindiana · 09-27-2007, 04:41 PM

Is it a good idea to use a distribution block for grounds so they can all be grounded at the same place?

Thanks

bladehines · 09-27-2007, 04:45 PM

i don't think it matters just as long as you get them all to a good ground. i will be running mine to pretty much the same spot on the frame with my batteries in the bed.

juddspaintballs · 09-27-2007, 06:33 PM

a distribution ground block is perfectly fine

beaniebmx · 09-27-2007, 10:37 PM

a ground is a ground, it doesnt have to all be grounding in the same spot, its best but its no big deal.

i personally like to ground my stuff all in one spot if possible

Speedy2222 · 09-27-2007, 10:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by beaniebmx

a ground is a ground, it doesnt have to all be grounding in the same spot, its best but its no big deal.

i personally like to ground my stuff all in one spot if possible

WRONG if you don't ground them in the same spot you will create a ground loop

99S10LS · 09-27-2007, 10:48 PM

As long as its grounded to a good spot(chassis) a dist. block is fine.

brokeitagain · 09-27-2007, 11:12 PM

what exactly is a ground loop?

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S10dude · 09-27-2007, 11:26 PM

ha ha ha ha ...........................

**Sir Toad** · 09-27-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by juddspaintballs

a distribution ground block is perfectly fine

x2

that is my plan

brokeitagain · 09-27-2007, 11:31 PM

I used a dist. block with mine and have no ill effects. I drilled a hole in the floor of my blazer and attached the main ground wire to the frame. FYI

juddspaintballs · 09-28-2007, 12:31 AM

i'm using a fused power distribution and ground distribution combo block. 1/0 in one side with 4 4awg out (for power) and then 4 4awg in and 1/0 out (for ground). i'm grounded to the frame too

97SSindiana · 09-28-2007, 10:16 AM

I only have one amp but plan on having one more soon, so I could run 1/0 to the frame and 2 4's out?

skinnyg · 09-28-2007, 10:24 AM

bladehines · 09-28-2007, 10:53 AM

i will be running around eight 0 gauge grounds to the frame in 1 spot. the more the better on comp systems!

juddspaintballs · 09-28-2007, 02:44 PM

you might as well just solder those grounds to the frame. i can imagine your frame is going to have more resistance than 8 runs of 1/0 to the same spot.

bladehines · 09-28-2007, 02:46 PM

true.....

juddspaintballs · 09-28-2007, 02:49 PM

or have your frame copper plated, lol

bladehines · 09-28-2007, 02:53 PM

heyyyyyyyy now there is a thought!!!!!!!!!

skinnyg · 09-28-2007, 03:22 PM

I have seen alot of guys weld grounds to the frame

97SSindiana · 09-28-2007, 03:53 PM

Wouldnt the heat of the weld damage the wire?

greencactus3 · 09-28-2007, 05:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 97SSindiana

Wouldnt the heat of the weld damage the wire?

i would solder. not weld...
the frame is thinner than the wire. so it wont be TOO hard with a torch

brokeitagain · 09-28-2007, 07:24 PM

weld a 3/8'' bolt to the frame then attach the ground to that. CRIMP and solder a copper lug to the end of the cable attach it to the bolt and then seal it with paint. Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire

Sasquatch · 09-28-2007, 07:34 PM

I never heat my wires, it changes the characteristics of the wire. I use only compression style connections, I never crimp. Use a common ground location, clean all paint and crap off of the metal. And then grease the spot so no rust appears.

brokeitagain · 09-28-2007, 07:55 PM

if u heat copper hot enough to change its characteristics when soldering u dont know how to solder, it takes much more heat to change it that it takes for most standard electrical solders to melt.

**Sir Toad** · 09-28-2007, 09:27 PM

crimping before soldering???

use compression fittings instead of solder???

changing the characteristics of wire by soldering???(paraphrasing)

wow.....3 years of electronics in high school and having a father that was an electrician and 20 + years of installing stereos don't quite have me prepared for these statements!

i guess solder or printed circuit boards should never have been invented,huh?

wow....i'm just shaking my head in disbelief

brokeitagain · 09-28-2007, 10:39 PM

fien ok im fuking wrong whatever

**Sir Toad** · 09-28-2007, 10:45 PM

had a car that was wrecked......it would not run.....there was a broke wire that was repaired with a butt connector.....it was some sensor wire.....

cut off the connectors solder the wires...heatshrink...wrapped with electrical tape....the car ran!

so if there was an arguement that says butt connectors create resitance....solder does not....then i'd be agreeing right now!

brokeitagain · 09-28-2007, 10:48 PM

what i said:
Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire

what i should have said:
Improperly Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire

i guess i could have been a little more clear. I have seen many "cold soldered" joints that failed because of solder being flowed on to instead of "in to" a solder joint

**Sir Toad** · 09-28-2007, 10:59 PM

i solder.....no crimp.....i used to crimp then solder but thought it was a waste of time.....

that's 4 ga. soldered to a 4 lug with no crimp......lifting my vice off the bench....mechanically strong enough for me bro...but i have a tough time seeing greater resistance

juddspaintballs · 09-29-2007, 02:03 AM

i've soldered 4awg with no crimp plenty of times and i'll be damned. the only way to get that lug back off is to melt the solder again.

i still don't understand the statement about changing the characteristics of copper w/heat. copper is copper is copper. when copper is molten it's still copper and when it cools it's still copper. still conducts electricity the same once it's cool

Sasquatch · 09-29-2007, 02:58 AM

I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome.

juddspaintballs · 09-29-2007, 03:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome.

i see your point i guess. compression is pretty nice and always looks good to boot

**Sir Toad** · 09-29-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome.

on that note......i've got high end audio at home.....i've got straightwire level 3 interconnects(4 pairs) and a pair of level 3 speaker cables....all terminations are soldered and i just double checked...they are not crimped!

Futuresweets10 · 09-29-2007, 09:11 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

i solder.....no crimp.....i used to crimp then solder but thought it was a waste of time.....

that's 4 ga. soldered to a 4 lug with no crimp......lifting my vice off the bench....mechanically strong enough for me bro...but i have a tough time seeing greater resistance

What he is saying is that if you dont crimp it first you have a greater chance of getting a bad solder joint. When I worked in car audio I had a manager that cold soldered EVERY joint he did and wouldnt ever listen to anybody.

**Sir Toad** · 09-29-2007, 11:36 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10

What he is saying is that if you dont crimp it first you have a greater chance of getting a bad solder joint. When I worked in car audio I had a manager that cold soldered EVERY joint he did and wouldnt ever listen to anybody.

no no no no.......

crimping does not magically give you a good solder joint

let's just say it's a crutch for someone who can't solder!

beandip · 09-29-2007, 03:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

no no no no.......

crimping does not magically give you a good solder joint

let's just say it's a crutch for someone who can't solder!

x2
solder FTW!

i solder every day (laptop repair), besides im too lazy to crimp its alot easier to solder. especially if you have a torch. and solder has alot better connection becuase it melts over the wire and fills up gaps between the connector.

Futuresweets10 · 09-29-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

no no no no.......

crimping does not magically give you a good solder joint

let's just say it's a crutch for someone who can't solder!

Dont get me wrong, I solder everything I do, and I have never had to fix a solder joint that I have done because it wasnt done right. That is saying alot considering ive done well over 1000 radios and probably about 200 alarms. However, in my opinion if you dont crimp a terminal on a heavy gauge wire before you solder it there is more air space inside of the terminal. That tells me that there is space that the solder can go other than in the wire if the soldering isnt done right. When I solder a terminal on a heavy gauge wire I dont crimp it.

**Sir Toad** · 09-29-2007, 11:55 PM

i have no clue how you solder heavy gauge wire.......

hmmmm

don't crimp...there is airspace????

that is absolutely ridiculous.....the rosin will offset air and push it out

vs.

crimp...at best 1/2 the connection gets solder...??????

please help me understand if i am missing something..........

i do not try to be a dick(all the time

)....but i want to better my procedures if i have been doing something wrong.....

Futuresweets10 · 09-30-2007, 11:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

i have no clue how you solder heavy gauge wire.......

hmmmm

don't crimp...there is airspace????

that is absolutely ridiculous.....the rosin will offset air and push it out

vs.

crimp...at best 1/2 the connection gets solder...??????

please help me understand if i am missing something..........

i do not try to be a dick(all the time)....but i want to better my procedures if i have been doing something wrong.....

I think you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong. and I am not argueing with you at all. I was trying to help you understand the point the other guy was makeing (even though I didnt totally agree with it) I didnt think about it that way untill you said it. I guess you are right about crimping it preventing the solder from getting to most of the connection. I wasnt saying there would be airspace left after a solder, I was saying there would be airspace left after a "BAD" solder.

**Sir Toad** · 09-30-2007, 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10

I think you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying you are doing anything wrong. and I am not argueing with you at all. I was trying to help you understand the point the other guy was makeing (even though I didnt totally agree with it) I didnt think about it that way untill you said it. I guess you are right about crimping it preventing the solder from getting to most of the connection. I wasnt saying there would be airspace left after a solder, I was saying there would be airspace left after a "BAD" solder.

ok.....like i said...i wasn't trying to be a dick...i was trying to make a couple of valid points and i see that you understand what i was saying.

btw....i never defend something i don't agree with

Futuresweets10 · 09-30-2007, 08:50 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

ok.....like i said...i wasn't trying to be a dick...i was trying to make a couple of valid points and i see that you understand what i was saying.

btw....i never defend something i don't agree with

I soldered a ground wire directly to the dash support once on an alarm install. Should I have admitted that outloud?? haha

**Sir Toad** · 09-30-2007, 09:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10

I soldered a ground wire directly to the dash support once on an alarm install. Should I have admitted that outloud?? haha

sure!!!

better than a wire from way over there butt connected and crimped going to your ground!

bladehines · 10-01-2007, 04:04 PM

damn what an argument over soldering......... lol

i don't solder i use butt connectors!

if i had a good solder iron, or cold soldering gun i would, for my next install, ( my big install ) every contact point will be soldered instead of butt connected, crimped etc.........

**Sir Toad** · 10-01-2007, 04:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by bladehines

damn what an argument over soldering......... lol

i don't solder i use butt connectors!

if i had a good solder iron, or cold soldering gun i would, for my next install, ( my big install ) every contact point will be soldered instead of butt connected, crimped etc.........

when brian admitted to using a hook tool to get out door handle clips i send him the right tool for the job...it was worth the cost cause it was funny as hell

do i have to send you a soldering iron?

97SSindiana · 10-01-2007, 08:16 PM

what is cold soldering? and where could I find a good soldering iron?

juddspaintballs · 10-01-2007, 11:52 PM

i use a hook for the door handles too...where's my window crank tool?

you can get a decently powered soldering iron at radio shack. i prefer irons over guns but thats personal preference i guess

**Sir Toad** · 10-02-2007, 12:31 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by juddspaintballs

i use a hook for the door handles too...where's my window crank tool?

you can get a decently powered soldering iron at radio shack. i prefer irons over guns but thats personal preference i guess

i prefer a pencil over either

Futuresweets10 · 10-02-2007, 02:51 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad

when brian admitted to using a hook tool to get out door handle clips i send him the right tool for the job...it was worth the cost cause it was funny as hell

do i have to send you a soldering iron?

Um I have used a hook tool for years for that. #1 I dont think it could get any easier, and #2 I dont possibly see how anyone could invent anything that would make it any easier or better.

**Sir Toad** · 10-02-2007, 08:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10

Um I have used a hook tool for years for that. #1 I dont think it could get any easier, and #2 I dont possibly see how anyone could invent anything that would make it any easier or better.

obviously you have never used the proper tool!it's faster/easier/and the clips NEVER go for the wild ride

skinnyg · 10-02-2007, 10:05 AM

i solder heavy gauge wire with a blow torch, smaller wires i have a plug in wall one or use butts, depends on the application. I have always had problems crimping large gauge wire, and I have tried various methods.

09-27-2007, 04:41 PM	#1
97SSindiana Sold da SS and gota Jimmy Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 605 Location: Bedford User is: OffLine	Grounds Is it a good idea to use a distribution block for grounds so they can all be grounded at the same place? Thanks
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09-27-2007, 04:45 PM	#2
bladehines ASASN8 Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,616 Location: Bowling Green, KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i don't think it matters just as long as you get them all to a good ground. i will be running mine to pretty much the same spot on the frame with my batteries in the bed.
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09-27-2007, 06:33 PM	#3
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds a distribution ground block is perfectly fine
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09-27-2007, 10:37 PM	#4
beaniebmx Has Training Wheels Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,458 Location: Iowa User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds a ground is a ground, it doesnt have to all be grounding in the same spot, its best but its no big deal. i personally like to ground my stuff all in one spot if possible
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09-27-2007, 10:48 PM	#5
Speedy2222 Have you seen my glovebox Age: 20 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,626 Location: Vincennes, IN User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by beaniebmx a ground is a ground, it doesnt have to all be grounding in the same spot, its best but its no big deal. i personally like to ground my stuff all in one spot if possible WRONG if you don't ground them in the same spot you will create a ground loop
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09-27-2007, 10:48 PM	#6
99S10LS Registered User Age: 20 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 438 Location: Frederick, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds As long as its grounded to a good spot(chassis) a dist. block is fine.
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09-27-2007, 11:12 PM	#7
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds what exactly is a ground loop? PIC FROM INSTALLER.COM Last edited by brokeitagain : 09-27-2007 at 11:19 PM. Reason: ADDED SOME SHIT
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09-27-2007, 11:26 PM	#8
S10dude Marc Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,564 Location: Sacramento,Ca. User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds ha ha ha ha ...........................
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09-27-2007, 11:30 PM	#9
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by juddspaintballs a distribution ground block is perfectly fine x2 that is my plan
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09-27-2007, 11:31 PM	#10
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I used a dist. block with mine and have no ill effects. I drilled a hole in the floor of my blazer and attached the main ground wire to the frame. FYI
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09-28-2007, 12:31 AM	#11
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i'm using a fused power distribution and ground distribution combo block. 1/0 in one side with 4 4awg out (for power) and then 4 4awg in and 1/0 out (for ground). i'm grounded to the frame too
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09-28-2007, 10:16 AM	#12
97SSindiana Sold da SS and gota Jimmy Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 605 Location: Bedford User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I only have one amp but plan on having one more soon, so I could run 1/0 to the frame and 2 4's out?
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09-28-2007, 10:24 AM	#13
skinnyg Registered User Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,900 Location: Hagerstown, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds sure
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09-28-2007, 10:53 AM	#14
bladehines ASASN8 Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,616 Location: Bowling Green, KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i will be running around eight 0 gauge grounds to the frame in 1 spot. the more the better on comp systems!
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09-28-2007, 02:44 PM	#15
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds you might as well just solder those grounds to the frame. i can imagine your frame is going to have more resistance than 8 runs of 1/0 to the same spot.
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09-28-2007, 02:46 PM	#16
bladehines ASASN8 Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,616 Location: Bowling Green, KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds true.....
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09-28-2007, 02:49 PM	#17
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds or have your frame copper plated, lol
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09-28-2007, 02:53 PM	#18
bladehines ASASN8 Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,616 Location: Bowling Green, KY User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds heyyyyyyyy now there is a thought!!!!!!!!!
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09-28-2007, 03:22 PM	#19
skinnyg Registered User Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,900 Location: Hagerstown, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I have seen alot of guys weld grounds to the frame
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09-28-2007, 03:53 PM	#20
97SSindiana Sold da SS and gota Jimmy Age: 33 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 605 Location: Bedford User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Wouldnt the heat of the weld damage the wire?
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09-28-2007, 05:02 PM	#21
greencactus3 bellcranks no more Age: 21 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 23,488 Location: ann arbor, mi User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by 97SSindiana Wouldnt the heat of the weld damage the wire? i would solder. not weld... the frame is thinner than the wire. so it wont be TOO hard with a torch
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09-28-2007, 07:24 PM	#22
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds weld a 3/8'' bolt to the frame then attach the ground to that. CRIMP and solder a copper lug to the end of the cable attach it to the bolt and then seal it with paint. Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire Last edited by brokeitagain : 09-28-2007 at 07:28 PM.
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09-28-2007, 07:34 PM	#23
Sasquatch Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I never heat my wires, it changes the characteristics of the wire. I use only compression style connections, I never crimp. Use a common ground location, clean all paint and crap off of the metal. And then grease the spot so no rust appears.
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09-28-2007, 07:55 PM	#24
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds if u heat copper hot enough to change its characteristics when soldering u dont know how to solder, it takes much more heat to change it that it takes for most standard electrical solders to melt.
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09-28-2007, 09:27 PM	#25
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds crimping before soldering??? use compression fittings instead of solder??? changing the characteristics of wire by soldering???(paraphrasing) wow.....3 years of electronics in high school and having a father that was an electrician and 20 + years of installing stereos don't quite have me prepared for these statements! i guess solder or printed circuit boards should never have been invented,huh? wow....i'm just shaking my head in disbelief
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09-28-2007, 10:39 PM	#26
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds fien ok im fuking wrong whatever
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09-28-2007, 10:45 PM	#27
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds had a car that was wrecked......it would not run.....there was a broke wire that was repaired with a butt connector.....it was some sensor wire..... cut off the connectors solder the wires...heatshrink...wrapped with electrical tape....the car ran! so if there was an arguement that says butt connectors create resitance....solder does not....then i'd be agreeing right now!
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09-28-2007, 10:48 PM	#28
brokeitagain Breakin shit Age: 30 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 640 Location: Probably building something User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds what i said: Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire what i should have said: Improperly Soldering lugs on without first crimping them can create a resistance, but if u crimp one on them solder u have an excellent electrical and mechanical connection to the wire i guess i could have been a little more clear. I have seen many "cold soldered" joints that failed because of solder being flowed on to instead of "in to" a solder joint Last edited by brokeitagain : 09-28-2007 at 10:50 PM. Reason: more shit
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09-28-2007, 10:59 PM	#29
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i solder.....no crimp.....i used to crimp then solder but thought it was a waste of time..... that's 4 ga. soldered to a 4 lug with no crimp......lifting my vice off the bench....mechanically strong enough for me bro...but i have a tough time seeing greater resistance Last edited by Sir Toad : 09-28-2007 at 11:01 PM.
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09-29-2007, 02:03 AM	#30
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds i've soldered 4awg with no crimp plenty of times and i'll be damned. the only way to get that lug back off is to melt the solder again. i still don't understand the statement about changing the characteristics of copper w/heat. copper is copper is copper. when copper is molten it's still copper and when it cools it's still copper. still conducts electricity the same once it's cool
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09-29-2007, 02:58 AM	#31
Sasquatch Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 125 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome.
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09-29-2007, 03:18 AM	#32
juddspaintballs she's wearing pink undies Age: 23 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,069 Location: Union Bridge, MD User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by Sasquatch I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome. i see your point i guess. compression is pretty nice and always looks good to boot
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09-29-2007, 08:38 AM	#33
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by Sasquatch I am not saying that soldering does not work well, it is the strongest connection, I am talking about the audible properties. I had extremely highend audio when I was first married, the kids changed all that, but I tried listening to soldered connections vs the compression style, and man, what a difference. Crimped is garbage, compression is awesome. on that note......i've got high end audio at home.....i've got straightwire level 3 interconnects(4 pairs) and a pair of level 3 speaker cables....all terminations are soldered and i just double checked...they are not crimped!
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09-29-2007, 09:11 AM	#34
Futuresweets10 former title junky mod Age: 23 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 6,443 Location: Biloxi MS User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by paint toad i solder.....no crimp.....i used to crimp then solder but thought it was a waste of time..... that's 4 ga. soldered to a 4 lug with no crimp......lifting my vice off the bench....mechanically strong enough for me bro...but i have a tough time seeing greater resistance What he is saying is that if you dont crimp it first you have a greater chance of getting a bad solder joint. When I worked in car audio I had a manager that cold soldered EVERY joint he did and wouldnt ever listen to anybody.
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09-29-2007, 11:36 AM	#35
Sir Toad drunk and bored Age: 40 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 28,141 Location: galesburg(or morton), il User is: OffLine	Re: Grounds Quote: Originally Posted by Futuresweets10 What he is saying is that if you dont crimp it first you have a greater chance of getting a bad solder joint. When I worked in car audio I had a manager that cold soldered EVERY joint he did and wouldnt ever listen to anybody. no no no no....... crimping does not magically give you a good solder joint let's just say it's a crutch for someone who can't solder!
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