good 12" woofer

[oldskoolchevelle]

Im getting to sell my 2 10" cvx woofers hoping to get a single 12" that will actually get low. cause they def. dont get low enough for my liking. Im looking for something that is in the $200-300 range.

so if anyone has any opinions let me know.

[66Mustang]

Dayton Reference HO 12" is a good choice, 700 watts RMS and they are on sale until the end of the month for $115. Look em up on partsexpress.com

[skinnyg]

Quote: Originally Posted by 66Mustang

Dayton Reference HO 12" is a good choice, 700 watts RMS and they are on sale until the end of the month for $115. Look em up on partsexpress.com

your are NOT going to beat that, good choice by that man, how much power do you have and box space?

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by 66Mustang

Dayton Reference HO 12" is a good choice, 700 watts RMS and they are on sale until the end of the month for $115. Look em up on partsexpress.com

kyle, youre thinking of the HF they take 400 RMS and its $119 and they get lower than the HO, the HO is still $138, we just had this conversation today

yes Ive been looking a lot recently, thats all from memory

[oldskoolchevelle]

well i have an ext cab so prob around 3cu ft max. and right now i have a kicker zx 750.1

ive seen those daytons but have never heard them. something that only needs that much power but still gets nice and low would be sweet.

[oldskoolchevelle]

also can i use those daytons as a car woofer?

[66Mustang]

Quote: Originally Posted by oldskoolchevelle

also can i use those daytons as a car woofer?

Yea. BTW I looked the HO's and HF's up again because I had them confused and I found out that they make them in 15s. The 15" HF has a 18hz Fs. You can make a 15" fit in an x-cab....

[stockchevy1983]

u can make a 15'' fit in anything really

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by stockchevy1983

u can make a 15'' fit in anything really

hes talking about the dayton HF sub, they need quite a bit of space, i would say 2 cubic feet for a minimum on the HF, granted you could get it in a regular cab, but it wouldn't be easy by a long shot

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by oldskoolchevelle

also can i use those daytons as a car woofer?

since you have an ex cab, i would go with the HF 15 vented to about 15-18 hz, it would get VERY VERY LOW and still sound clean, but i would go with a bigger box than 3 cubic feet for it, i modeled both 3 cubic feet and 4 cubic feet and it made a dramatic improvement going bigger, and even more up to 5 cubic feet

[stockchevy1983]

Quote: Originally Posted by old_skool_noma

hes talking about the dayton HF sub, they need quite a bit of space, i would say 2 cubic feet for a minimum on the HF, granted you could get it in a regular cab, but it wouldn't be easy by a long shot

tru yea i was lucky to get this sub in b/c it was only 7 inches in depth. Dayton sub will prob be my next sub but a 12.

[oldskoolchevelle]

so dayton hf huh?

[01_jimmy]

FI BLT one of the best

[BrantS-10]

RE Audio SX ftw man....I had one 12 in my cavalier that could hold a 15 hz sine wave without faltering at all and would hold 1500 watts rms all day. It was in a 2.4 cu.ft. slot ported enclosure tuned to 30 hz. I know I know, shouldn't be playing below the tuning frquency, but hey it's all good . FI's are nice but a lil pricey for my taste. You'll hear all kinds of stuff though

[BrantS-10]

Quote: Originally Posted by 01_jimmy

FI BLT one of the best

BTL man hahaha

[mirroredkustoms]

alot of people laugh at me when i say this but i love the power acoustik mofo series... shit hits pretty hard and its not super overpriced... look them up... i had a 15 and it was badass but i needed money so i sold it and got a 12 a few months later...

[oldskoolchevelle]

ive seen the mofo's but havent heard all too great things bout the quality.

and the btl's are a bit pricy.. i was looking at a 12" fi bl though.

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by oldskoolchevelle

so dayton hf huh?

either HF or HO depending on the power you have to throw at it and the space you have, either way you will not be disappointed
keep in mind that they are single 4 ohm voice coils

[ben29555]

yea the fi bl or the dc level 4 would be in that price range i think

[skinnyg]

do a HO, a HF is aimed more at being a home theater sub

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by skinnyg

do a HO, a HF is aimed more at being a home theater sub

yes, i know, but given the space that he has, an HF will still work well and the low end extension will be better than that of an HO because of the lower BL

[therule546]

Seeing that you came from cvxs Im gonna go ahead and reccomend a few more spl oriented drivers.

ficaraudio.com
Fi BL 12"
Fi Q 12"
mach5audio.com
Mach 5 SPL12
audioque.com
HDC3 12"
sonicelectronix.com
Kicker L7 12"

[old_skool_noma]

he said that he is looking for low end extension over pure SPL this time, most SPL drivers have a very high BL which prevents them from getting the low end extension that the OP is looking for

on that note the fi Q and mach 5 IXL 12 would be good choices as well

[ReDNeCk98]

Get a JL Audio w7 12"

[oldskoolchevelle]

jl is overpriced... ive looked at the mach series before. i have around 900 watts to throw at it saying i keep the amp i have currently. the mach subs are quite expensive. so i might go with the fi or audioque. but which would be best for the money

[old_skool_noma]

the Mach 5 IXL subs arent that expensive at all, they cost less than fi, and most likey audioque

$192 for the IXL you may have been looking at the SPL series subs, they are about $300

[IdonthaveanS10]

I would pick from this list if you want lows...

Fi q or ssd (about $280 or $210)
Mach 5 ixl(about $220 although it cant be wired to 2 ohm)
SSA Icon or Dcon(about $310 or $190)
DC level 3 or 4(no idea, im not sure where to order them but theyre not crazy expensive)

I doubt a single one of these would dissapoint you, and with your power i think the ssd is your best bet all things considered.

You're welcome

[old_skool_noma]

psst... you forgot the dayton reference subs, $138 each but they are single 4 ohm, but they will get quite low as well

the dayton titanic mkIII should do a good job as well, but its about 150 IIRC

[IdonthaveanS10]

yea, but the ones i listed are better

I should have included that they will all get plenty loud as well.

I guess an important question as well is what kind of room do you have and will this sub be ported or sealed

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by IdonthaveanS10

yea, but the ones i listed are better

I should have included that they will all get plenty loud as well.

I guess an important question as well is what kind of room do you have and will this sub be ported or sealed

at what, sq or spl... it really is important you know

and yes ported or sealed is a good question

[IdonthaveanS10]

Just as a sub overall. Output wise all but the dcon and maybe the lvl3 will beat out daytons and theyre higher quality, and as far as sq its not like were comparing an L7 to a sq sub, they all sound good enough. You get what you pay for ya know?

OP I still vote fi ssd d1 regaurdless of ported or sealed it matches your amp perfectly, will hit nice lows sealed or in a low ported box, and has plenty of output to put kicker to shame

[93_Blaze]

I've heard that the deeper the cone, the lower the bass, is this true advertisement BS?

[old_skool_noma]

Quote: Originally Posted by 93_Blaze

I've heard that the deeper the cone, the lower the bass, is this true advertisement BS?

yes and no, deeper cones will have more surface area and more moving mass so it will lower your Fs (resonant frequency), but its really dependent on the motor structure and suspension of the speaker, stiffer suspensions and stronger motors will raise your Fs

[oldskoolchevelle]

well i have an ext cab truck so i have a good amount of space and it will be ported

[danssoslow]

Quote: Originally Posted by BrantS-10

BTL man hahaha

You have no idea the amount of detail a laymen person misses making a bacon lettuce tomato sandwich until you've had on made buy a speaker manufacturer.

I'll second 01 jimmy in saying that FI's BLT's are one of the best.

[Tempe]

Quote: Originally Posted by old_skool_noma

yes and no, deeper cones will have more surface area and more moving mass so it will lower your Fs (resonant frequency), but its really dependent on the motor structure and suspension of the speaker, stiffer suspensions and stronger motors will raise your Fs

Linear stroke is one dimensional, so the shape of the cone matters nothing in this regard. No matter what, if the voice coil former moves 10 millimeters, then every square centimeter of Sd will move 10 millimeters. Well not really since part of the surround is factored into Sd.. you get the idea

T

[BrantS-10]

Quote: Originally Posted by danssoslow

You have no idea the amount of detail a laymen person misses making a bacon lettuce tomato sandwich until you've had on made buy a speaker manufacturer.

I'll second 01 jimmy in saying that FI's BLT's are one of the best.

Yes I won't argue they are amazing speakers, but us poor southerners can't afford them on wal-mart pay haha. If you got the cash go for it

[PSYKO_Inc]

If you're willing to do a 15, I've got a 15" Dayton Titanic MkIII I can give you a good deal on. Sounds great with huge bottom end, but I'm just tired of having such a big box in the truck. I'd even give you the box for free (2.8cf sealed, built for my ext cab) but shipping would be insane since it weighs probably about 100lbs with the sub in it...

[oldskoolchevelle]

lol thanks PSYKO but me no wanna pay for shipping... plus i cant say i really want a 15" in my truck.

[Cmac95]

Better off buying two 12" JL w3 for 300

[Heathd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cmac95

Better off buying two 12" JL w3 for 300

No, hes not.

[oldskoolchevelle]

im prob going to get a 12" fi bl or q... depending my mood. or a Mach5Audio IXL-12.2.2

[IdonthaveanS10]

If you plan to keep the amp you have now I would do a SSD. The IXL is definitely a nono on that amp bc you will have no where near enough power to be satisfied since youll have to run ~375 watts at 4 ohm. Q and BL are nice but with only 750 watts youll eventually want to feed them more so its really all based on how much you plan/want to spend in the future.

[juddspaintballs]

Just throwing this out there...the Dayton Quatro is an excellent subwoofer for all around application and does very well at the lows. It's not a power monster and doesn't require much space, but it is still my all time favorite subwoofer.

Quote: Originally Posted by stockchevy1983

u can make a 15'' fit in anything really

like yer mom

Quote: Originally Posted by therule546

Seeing that you came from cvxs Im gonna go ahead and reccomend a few more spl oriented drivers.

ficaraudio.com
Fi BL 12"
Fi Q 12"

when the fvck did Fi announce the Q as a SPL oriented subwoofer? I think you are confused with what the subwoofer was designed for versus what people try to make it do.






oh, jimmy is a phag. don't listen to that arizona mountain humper

[Tempe]

^^ *clicks the report post button*

[Audiofanatic01]

You need to look at more than just Fs to determine how low a subwoofer will play in a car enviroment. If anything, look at the ratio of Fs to Qe/Qts and Vas. Cabin gain begins at ~50 Hz, giving you a 12 dB/octave boost in output. It's not un-common to see a gain of 25 dB at 20 Hz.

Do you have any depth requirements? Weight requirements? I see where you have 3 cubes to work with so that leaves the door open for a lot of subs. I like those Dayton's, but unless you're getting a pair of them I would NOT run them on that ~900 watts you have. If you're looking for around the same bottom end extension /maybe a tad more with little improvement on the sound, the IXL is a good choice. The Q sounds a bit better than the IXL, but it's not a huge improvement. Both drivers will eat up the power though so you won't have to worry about blowing them.

[therule546]

The Fi Q is their SQ line of drivers. Even though they say they are a SQ oriented driver I still do not consider it a true SQ driver.

[Cmac95]

Quote: Originally Posted by Heathd

No, hes not.

How isnt he? Explain when you go against my opinion.

[Heathd]

Because what is better is purely dependent to what the op is wanting to do, and I have heard the w3's in a sealed box built to JLs specs, and I wasnt impressed. I felt like there was too much mechanical noise and it was distracting.

[Cmac95]

What about ported? I know the old w3's sounded good but i didn't hear the new w3's.