Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two)

x00 · 01-23-2006, 09:09 PM

i must say that looks amazing! what kind of wood is that? particle board? just wondering why that was used instad of mdf.

how much money/time have you put into this project so far?

JACKEL · 01-24-2006, 08:29 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by x00

i must say that looks amazing! what kind of wood is that? particle board? just wondering why that was used instad of mdf.

how much money/time have you put into this project so far?

Its particle board. I have a lot of experience with particle board and because my budget is limited, I didn't want to screw up sheets of mdf trying to learn its quirky ways. With particle, I know how hard to drive screws in without breaking the board or know how it cuts so thats why I went with particle. I'd just rather use a material I know how to construct with rather than a material made of layers of carboard pressed together.

But, MDF could have been used and certainly someone could use it if they have experience with it.

You know what I mean. Particle board to me is like fiberglassing to others. Some know it and how to construct with it and others don't. I just used what I had experience with.

But, the particle board is 5/8", not 3/4". Because the pieces of particle are short in length and seriously braced, there is very little doubt in my mind of the 5/8" flexing. If the pieces were larger, then I would have used 3/4". The 5/8" also allowed me to stay within dimensions and keep internal volume for the woofers.

I've probably got roughly $150 in it right now with materials. And by the time the glass is on and bondo'd, it'll have roughly $250 into it.

If I were to sell it, considering the materials involved, the hours of labor involved, its utererly precise fit in the cab and its design work allowing for the 3 woofers and 4 amps in a regular cab with 2 click loss on the seats, I'd sell it for no less that $800.
You seriously have to see it in person to appreciate all the intricate angles, bologne cuts, construction, and fitment. Its dead nuts on the money. I'd honestly say its probably +/- 1 - 2mm off on measurement at the most.

I invested in a couple tools to help me to this one. I bought a bandsaw, scroll saw and some squaring clamps.

Enclosure wise, its the best I've made and by far the most intricate.

Chappy316 will see it, he can report on it.

Its probably the most stout box I've made too. That damn thing will probably survive and accident that I'm sure the truck wouldn't

Chappy316 · 01-24-2006, 08:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Chappy316 will see it, he can report on it.

yeppers i will! its just a shame that mine wont turn out as nice as yours but i guess i can get over that... so the offical schedule (so far) is we are loading up the blazer the first weekend of february, and we are making the road trip on the following weekend so thats the 10th through the 12th... let me know what your schedule is gonna look like and we can figure something out.

thanks again man!

JACKEL · 01-24-2006, 12:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316

yeppers i will! its just a shame that mine wont turn out as nice as yours but i guess i can get over that... so the offical schedule (so far) is we are loading up the blazer the first weekend of february, and we are making the road trip on the following weekend so thats the 10th through the 12th... let me know what your schedule is gonna look like and we can figure something out.

thanks again man!

Schedule is open. Just let me know when you're in town.

BIGGERISBETTER · 01-24-2006, 02:05 PM

i want to ride along

Chappy316 · 01-24-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER

i want to ride along

talk to ant or hit me up on AIM...

vio0633 · 01-24-2006, 05:55 PM

Hey nick saw the picts. I promise not to use fleece anymore and go with spandex now....lol.

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 07:41 AM

Update:

Because it was cold as hell here I let the resin cure for 2 days before handling it.

With polyester and even epoxy based resins, you need to be mindful of the climate you are applying it in. If its too hot, the resin or epoxy will cure really fast. Sometimes too fast and in such case that is referred to as Cook Off. Also be midful of the 14 drops per 1.5oz of resin. When hot outside, sometimes less drops will be sufficient.
However, when its cold, the cure time slows dramatically. And, you will need to add more drops of hardner per 1.5 oz of resin.

For example: When I applied the resin on this enclosure, it was exactly 48 degrees in my garage. I mixed one 3oz batch and was adding 60 drops of hardner to the resin. After that, I heated the resin. Thats 30 drops per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. You will, in colder temperatures, need to add more hardner or the cure may not even occur fully or penetration into the fabric is more difficult.

Here is the trick of the trade. Heat up the resin. When its cold, the resin seams thicker, like molasis rather than runier like slightly thickened syrup.
DO NOT get too hot. All you need to do is grab a bucket and get hot ass water and put it in the bucket. Then submerge your resin container 3/4 deep in to the water. Do not fully submerge as you don't want water mixing at all with your mix. After 15 minutes, pull the resin container out and dry it with a paper towel. Then you can proceed as usual using 14 - 20 drops of hardner per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees.

Here are the pics of it installed. They show a bit better the amount of room gained with this box over the last one. Also notice how the box edges are flush as a mofo with the cab walls. Fits snug as a bug in there. PERFECT.

x00 · 01-25-2006, 10:38 AM

that looks amazing... Just wondering...When you'll be putting the mat/cloth over the whole thing, aren't you gonna go over the edges too? If so that would make them thicker and the box won't fit anymore... Thats how i ****ed up my jumpseat boxes, so then i had to trim plastic around the box

Also, do you have any back shots of the box, just want to see what you did with the fabric. Overlap over the edges or it just ends on the side.

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 11:04 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by x00

that looks amazing... Just wondering...When you'll be putting the mat/cloth over the whole thing, aren't you gonna go over the edges too? If so that would make them thicker and the box won't fit anymore... Thats how i ****ed up my jumpseat boxes, so then i had to trim plastic around the box

Also, do you have any back shots of the box, just want to see what you did with the fabric. Overlap over the edges or it just ends on the side.

There is actually an 1/8" gap around the edges at the cab walls to allow for thickness build up of the glass. 7 layers of glass should fill this gap quite nicely. I'll be using 3 layers of 12oz glass, 2 layers 5oz glass and the last 2 will be 2oz glass.

I'm about to get started on the center console. After which I'll fab up the new dash bezel and then I'll make one large order for glass. When I get that in I'll spend a weekend glassing all three (box, console, bezel) and then its all on like a pot of stew with the bondo work. But, the spandex stretched really nicely so after the glass, ther shouldn't be much bondo to do. Thank God.

As far as pictures of the rear. I don't have them, I'll shoot a couple tonight. But, I stretched it completely around the bottom and the sides, fully enclosing the skeleton. Then I trimmed the access off. Like I said, I'll shoot some of the back side tonight.

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 11:07 AM

Hey you all,

Check out the video I made. The link is in my sig. I downloaded all kinds of small videos and then chopped them all up and put them into one. Lots of various footage you all may have seen before. Music is Korn and I shot some footage of fire in my garage and added it in along with an atom bomb explosion to give it a little bit of a dramatic appeal.

Enjoy. Just a little something back for you all.
3+ minutes long. 56K guys beware.

BIGGERISBETTER · 01-25-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Update:

Because it was cold as hell here I let the resin cure for 2 days before handling it.

With polyester and even epoxy based resins, you need to be mindful of the climate you are applying it in. If its too hot, the resin or epoxy will cure really fast. Sometimes too fast and in such case that is referred to as Cook Off. Also be midful of the 14 drops per 1.5oz of resin. When hot outside, sometimes less drops will be sufficient.
However, when its cold, the cure time slows dramatically. And, you will need to add more drops of hardner per 1.5 oz of resin.

For example: When I applied the resin on this enclosure, it was exactly 48 degrees in my garage. I mixed one 3oz batch and was adding 60 drops of hardner to the resin. After that, I heated the resin. Thats 30 drops per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. You will, in colder temperatures, need to add more hardner or the cure may not even occur fully or penetration into the fabric is more difficult.

Here is the trick of the trade. Heat up the resin. When its cold, the resin seams thicker, like molasis rather than runier like slightly thickened syrup.
DO NOT get too hot. All you need to do is grab a bucket and get hot ass water and put it in the bucket. Then submerge your resin container 3/4 deep in to the water. Do not fully submerge as you don't want water mixing at all with your mix. After 15 minutes, pull the resin container out and dry it with a paper towel. Then you can proceed as usual using 14 - 20 drops of hardner per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees.

Here are the pics of it installed. They show a bit better the amount of room gained with this box over the last one. Also notice how the box edges are flush as a mofo with the cab walls. Fits snug as a bug in there. PERFECT.

It's.. snug as a bug in a rug fool...

And it looks great stuffed in there. Hows the smoothness of it so far? Im curious to all the sanding you'll have to do

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 11:16 AM

BiggerIsBetter,

The spandex is very smooth. I'll use probably 100 grit, really quick on it (nothing crazy) just to score the surface so the resin and glass have a good bonding surface when I lay it on.

I'm telling you, if you use spandex, you'll save money and a shit load of time. I'm not kidding. All the sanding involved with fleece is long behind you if you use it.

It may cost more than fleece, but the savings in resin, time, effore, etc, more than offsets that cost.

MoneyMike · 01-25-2006, 11:38 AM

you are a monster....

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 12:31 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike

you are a monster....

Thanks. I'd like to think I have a little firey demon inside, lol. I'm just trying to push the envelope as far as I can with fiberglass fabrication for a regular cab. I try to make my stuff look good; somewhat easy and explain my builds (from you all's perspective), look good (had to mention twice) and also be practical. i.e. the sub box with the periscope and back up cam. You never would have thought about there being a back up cam in the area of the box that juts upward in the middle. Most of you at first glance probably thought is was just design. But, the cam allows me to shave the reaview mirror and clean the interior up even more while using the screen in the dash as the new rearview.

Serves function and looks awesome.

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 02:50 PM

You may have read my thread in the Off Topic section about the other sub box in this thread.

Until I hear other wise, I'm considering it to be a stolen item.

DO NOT part-take in transactions with Dropped01X, YOU WILL get burned.

God Damn, I'm pissed.

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 03:07 PM

Super short vid of me working on the sub bow.

Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name.

I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces.

http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv

x00 · 01-25-2006, 05:19 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Super short vid of me working on the sub bow.

Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name.

I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces.

http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv

that's right, breath that stuff in...lol

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by x00

that's right, breath that stuff in...lol

Shit man, Didn't anyone tell you that stuff tastes good, lol. Yeah, white snot is fun.

My friends, thats the hardcore way of doing it. Brings you closer in your relationship with your truck when you breathe and bleed its creation, lol.

pssssssssst, I also talk to her while I work.

Just kidding.

Chappy316 · 01-25-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

...then I'll make one large order for glass. When I get that in I'll spend a weekend glassing all three (box, console, bezel) and then its all on like a pot of stew with the bondo work. But, the spandex stretched really nicely so after the glass, ther shouldn't be much bondo to do. Thank God.

hopefully ant and i miss that "fun" weekend...

haha

oh yea, and its "on like donkey kong" for future reference...

JACKEL · 01-25-2006, 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316

hopefully ant and i miss that "fun" weekend... haha

oh yea, and its "on like donkey kong" for future reference...

I thought it was "Its all on like a pot of stew", lol.

I love the smell of resin. Maybe I'll be glassing when you get here. My shop smells like a resin factory.

Milky4204 · 01-25-2006, 07:47 PM

lookin good. thats the same jig saw I have. works good for the price.

Chappy316 · 01-25-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

I thought it was "Its all on like a pot of stew", lol.

I love the smell of resin. Maybe I'll be glassing when you get here. My shop smells like a resin factory.

oh dont you worry, i didnt say i hated the smell of resin because i dont... but if im gonna be "put to work" then i want some formal lessons and a practise project, but i guess i got my practise project which is why im making the visit right?

lol

**jherrell** · 01-26-2006, 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Brentwood is right in the middle of St. Louis. Sorry bro. I hear there is a plethera of you truckin guys out that way. I've been in touch here recently with SLY from TeamSSX about me maybe starting a chapter out here in St. Louis. It's gonna be hard though, I rarely see our type (min-trucks) rolling around this way. Thats why when I do eventually see one, I get all excited and shit. Its nice to run into your own kind around here.

Unfortunately, this area is over run with ricers, making the mini-trucker the elite.

Damn Nick, guess you ain't looking around. I run with the St-Louis S-Series group. Actually a pretty good group of guys and gals. I hail from the east side over near Scott AFB. I'm going to start some glass projects in the summer (new sub enclosure and amp mounts, center console, and a couple of other things), so hopefully we can hook up and you can give me some pointers...

I drive a 01 regular cab, Pewter in color, currently half-bagged!

BIGGERISBETTER · 01-26-2006, 09:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Super short vid of me working on the sub bow.

Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name.

I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces.

http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv

You look like your out to rob a bank fella.. lol. Lil cold in the ol' shop?

JACKEL · 01-26-2006, 04:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER

You look like your out to rob a bank fella.. lol. Lil cold in the ol' shop?

Cold as Shit. I had to bundle up while I work just to keep my hands from shaking, lol.

JACKEL · 01-26-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell

Damn Nick, guess you ain't looking around. I run with the St-Louis S-Series group. Actually a pretty good group of guys and gals. I hail from the east side over near Scott AFB. I'm going to start some glass projects in the summer (new sub enclosure and amp mounts, center console, and a couple of other things), so hopefully we can hook up and you can give me some pointers...

I drive a 01 regular cab, Pewter in color, currently half-bagged!

I'd more than happy to get together on some stuff. Just send a PM when you're ready to go.

JACKEL · 01-26-2006, 04:41 PM

BIG NEWS!!!!!!!

I'm A Dad!!!!!
Kelly, my wife, gave birth to our daughter, Lily, this morning at 10:26 central. Just in case you all thought I disappeared today. Thats what was going on.

Note to self: You know you're addicted to this forum when; you go home real quick to get some shit and you squeeze in a few minutes on the forum to announce the news and hit up some pm's.

Got_20s · 01-26-2006, 04:44 PM

Congrats ! Who knew you had time to %@#$ with all the glassing goin on.

JACKEL · 01-26-2006, 04:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Got_20s

Congrats ! Who knew you had time to %@#$ with all the glassing goin on.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks guys. Its pretty damn sureal. I've seen some shit in life (prior service and all) but this is the first time the world seemed to move in slow motion as it was coming out.

Fvcking unbelievable that women do that shit. And, actually want to do it. Makes me glad as hell that the day I was born, I had a dick, constituting me as a male so that I didn't have to go through that shit.

God Damn !!!!!!!!! is all I have to say about that.

I'm heading back to the hospital. You guys have a good weekend and I'll hit up pm'd questions some time this weekend when I can.

Thanks,

-Nick

Chappy316 · 01-26-2006, 04:53 PM

dude thats awesome news, CONGRATS!

BIGGERISBETTER · 01-26-2006, 05:22 PM

Wow.. congratulations to you and the wifey ! Heh.. now the hard part starts

Kenny_Cox · 01-27-2006, 12:17 AM

congrats nick!

Metlhed01 · 01-27-2006, 11:02 PM

first and foremost, congrats on the little one.

that box fits like a glove. im amazed, really.

and i dont know whats worse, breathing in fiberglass dust, or galvinized metal, heh.

SSBlazerV8 · 01-27-2006, 11:42 PM

Congrats to you & your wife. Post some pics of the family. I remember the night when our daughter was born. You are correct I was amazed when I saw Donna born. It gives you a new outlook on the female gender. I hope ya'll have a daughter as good as ours.

JACKEL · 01-28-2006, 04:23 PM

Family Update:

Baby and mother are healthy.

Lily, My Wife Kelly and Myself

Lily

Life is good.

JACKEL · 01-28-2006, 05:07 PM

Tech. Update:

While I have down time with the kid for a little while, I thought I'd give you guys some FYI related items that would be useful.

Here's what you do. Go to Home Depot and get a graduated cup with ounces. Also get some masking tape and a one ounce cup.

I will provide the necessary things to write on it but follow the pictures.

This is a "Drops of Hardner per OZ. of Resin, per Temperature Table" that I did up for you guys.

This is based on my experience given the temperatures and humidity (two factors highly influential on the cure rate of resin. These drop counts might not be exact for your humidity levels so experiment a little.

Remember, in lower temperatures, drops of hardner significantly increase. In high temps, the counts significantly decrease. Also in high temps, DO NOT MIX BATCHES LARGER THAN 3-4oz. You have to mix smaller batches because of the SIGNIFICANT!! increase in cure rate which could cuase "Cook Off"

Get the graduated cup and pour (using the 1 oz cup) pour an oz at a time and mark the cup on the tape. The lines on the cup marking measurement are not entirely accurate.

Here is the conversion for you all.

Drops of Hardner per Oz. per Temperature Table

Table for Temperatures 40* - 57* Range (DO NOT MIX BELOW 40*)

Ounces / Drops

1 / 33
2 / 66
3 / 99
4 / 132
5 / 165
6 / 198
7 / 231
8 / 264
9 / 297
10 / 320
11 / 343

Table for Temperatures 70* + (DO NOT MIX ABOVE 87*, DO NOT MIX LARGE BATCHES of 4+ Oz.)

1 / 9
2 / 18
3 / 27
4 / 36
5 / 45
6 / 52
7 / 57
8 / 60
9 / 63
10 / 66
11 / 69

Remember to experiment as these figures will fluxuate with the temperatures and humidity levels in your region.

SSBlazerV8 · 01-28-2006, 10:44 PM

life is good congrats on the new daughter. Why is Kelly flippin everybody off? lol

zeldalord · 01-28-2006, 10:48 PM

wow congrats man, but uh there goes your free time, right out the window

but really dude, congradulations and many happy memories. (and my she be as good at fabing as you are)

JACKEL · 01-29-2006, 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SSBlazerV8

life is good congrats on the new daughter. Why is Kelly flippin everybody off? lol

We both noticed that after I posted it. She didn't mean to do it. Thats just the way her hand was when she was holding her.

Thanks for all your wishes of luck with the baby. Honestly, I think I can balance the time with the baby. But obviously the baby will win on my time, which is why I already allocated and mentally prepared myself for a June completion of the interior and a June 07' completion of the entire truck, mods, paint and all and ready to drag.

Chappy316 · 01-29-2006, 02:15 PM

congrats again man, and its still funny that you make time to post on here with a baby thats only a few days old... haha!

JACKEL · 01-29-2006, 02:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316

congrats again man, and its still funny that you make time to post on here with a baby thats only a few days old... haha!

Got to hit the forums when she's sleeping, lol. Shoot me a pm about this weekend. Call me, when you're in town.

zeldalord · 01-29-2006, 07:09 PM

ouch, 07? she better be worth it

BIGGERISBETTER · 01-29-2006, 07:16 PM

thanks for the chart bro.. theres always the question of how much of what w/ how much of what. And Goodluck! shes a cutie

Chappy316 · 01-29-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Got to hit the forums when she's sleeping, lol. Shoot me a pm about this weekend. Call me, when you're in town.

next weekend boss, next weekend...

JACKEL · 01-30-2006, 05:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by zeldalord

ouch, 07? she better be worth it

Perfection takes time, lol. This thing is going to be the apidamy of my expression and skill. Taking your time and patience is what makes things perfect. As you can see from the work I've done, just imagine the end result.

-Sorry to toot my own horn there.

JACKEL · 01-30-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316

next weekend boss, next weekend...

Call me when you get here

JACKEL · 01-30-2006, 05:34 PM

Update, Back to Business:

I started working on the switch panel for the center console. as with the theme of the rest of the fiberglassed items such as the TV and Amps, the switch pabel will be pushed to create a 3D appearance.

I have (4) DPDT 7/8" X 1 1/8" rocker switches and (1) Carlington Marine Rocker push/pull DPDT rocker switch. The 4 smaller switches are for individual bag control and the marine rocker is for pancake up/dn.

In these pictures I'm using 1/4" thick plywood. I mapped out the switch arrangement and positioned them to give them a little flare and create a nice effect on the glass when its streched over it. Much like the guages in the last console in this thread.

In case you were curious on how to cut the holes for the switches, use a hand held scroll saw. Drill a hole into the area where the switch will be and fish your saw blade through. Then reattach it to the saw and start cutting. Then use a file to line up the edges. Remember, for wood working, a file isn't actually what is used. Its actually called a 'Rasp" but, it looks very similar to that of a typical file.

This series of pictures will show what I have just explained. The switches are a perfect fit. they are snugg as hell but are easy to pull out. You need a fit such as this because you DO NOT want to mount the switch permanently in the event that a switch fails and needs replacement. Mounting them permanently may result in making a whole new console.

Sorry. A little blurry.

I should have the guage platform cut tomorrow as well as the capacitor's mounting ring.

zeldalord · 01-30-2006, 05:43 PM

hahaha would never have remembered to use a copeing saw, would have just gone and grabbed my rotozip and dived in headfirst, then wondered my everything was too loose.

looks really clean BTW, can't wait to see more. congrats

Milky4204 · 01-30-2006, 07:30 PM

where did you get those switches from?

01-23-2006, 09:09 PM	#251
x00 Got 20's? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 784 Location: nj User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) i must say that looks amazing! what kind of wood is that? particle board? just wondering why that was used instad of mdf. how much money/time have you put into this project so far?
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01-24-2006, 08:29 AM	#252
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by x00 i must say that looks amazing! what kind of wood is that? particle board? just wondering why that was used instad of mdf. how much money/time have you put into this project so far? Its particle board. I have a lot of experience with particle board and because my budget is limited, I didn't want to screw up sheets of mdf trying to learn its quirky ways. With particle, I know how hard to drive screws in without breaking the board or know how it cuts so thats why I went with particle. I'd just rather use a material I know how to construct with rather than a material made of layers of carboard pressed together. But, MDF could have been used and certainly someone could use it if they have experience with it. You know what I mean. Particle board to me is like fiberglassing to others. Some know it and how to construct with it and others don't. I just used what I had experience with. But, the particle board is 5/8", not 3/4". Because the pieces of particle are short in length and seriously braced, there is very little doubt in my mind of the 5/8" flexing. If the pieces were larger, then I would have used 3/4". The 5/8" also allowed me to stay within dimensions and keep internal volume for the woofers. I've probably got roughly $150 in it right now with materials. And by the time the glass is on and bondo'd, it'll have roughly $250 into it. If I were to sell it, considering the materials involved, the hours of labor involved, its utererly precise fit in the cab and its design work allowing for the 3 woofers and 4 amps in a regular cab with 2 click loss on the seats, I'd sell it for no less that $800. You seriously have to see it in person to appreciate all the intricate angles, bologne cuts, construction, and fitment. Its dead nuts on the money. I'd honestly say its probably +/- 1 - 2mm off on measurement at the most. I invested in a couple tools to help me to this one. I bought a bandsaw, scroll saw and some squaring clamps. Enclosure wise, its the best I've made and by far the most intricate. Chappy316 will see it, he can report on it. Its probably the most stout box I've made too. That damn thing will probably survive and accident that I'm sure the truck wouldn't
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01-24-2006, 08:34 AM	#253
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,943 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Chappy316 will see it, he can report on it. yeppers i will! its just a shame that mine wont turn out as nice as yours but i guess i can get over that... so the offical schedule (so far) is we are loading up the blazer the first weekend of february, and we are making the road trip on the following weekend so thats the 10th through the 12th... let me know what your schedule is gonna look like and we can figure something out. thanks again man!
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01-24-2006, 12:30 PM	#254
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316 yeppers i will! its just a shame that mine wont turn out as nice as yours but i guess i can get over that... so the offical schedule (so far) is we are loading up the blazer the first weekend of february, and we are making the road trip on the following weekend so thats the 10th through the 12th... let me know what your schedule is gonna look like and we can figure something out. thanks again man! Schedule is open. Just let me know when you're in town.
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01-24-2006, 02:05 PM	#255
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 25 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,871 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) i want to ride along
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01-24-2006, 04:07 PM	#256
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,943 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER i want to ride along talk to ant or hit me up on AIM...
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01-24-2006, 05:55 PM	#257
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 29 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,330 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Hey nick saw the picts. I promise not to use fleece anymore and go with spandex now....lol.
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01-25-2006, 07:41 AM	#258
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Update: Because it was cold as hell here I let the resin cure for 2 days before handling it. With polyester and even epoxy based resins, you need to be mindful of the climate you are applying it in. If its too hot, the resin or epoxy will cure really fast. Sometimes too fast and in such case that is referred to as Cook Off. Also be midful of the 14 drops per 1.5oz of resin. When hot outside, sometimes less drops will be sufficient. However, when its cold, the cure time slows dramatically. And, you will need to add more drops of hardner per 1.5 oz of resin. For example: When I applied the resin on this enclosure, it was exactly 48 degrees in my garage. I mixed one 3oz batch and was adding 60 drops of hardner to the resin. After that, I heated the resin. Thats 30 drops per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. You will, in colder temperatures, need to add more hardner or the cure may not even occur fully or penetration into the fabric is more difficult. Here is the trick of the trade. Heat up the resin. When its cold, the resin seams thicker, like molasis rather than runier like slightly thickened syrup. DO NOT get too hot. All you need to do is grab a bucket and get hot ass water and put it in the bucket. Then submerge your resin container 3/4 deep in to the water. Do not fully submerge as you don't want water mixing at all with your mix. After 15 minutes, pull the resin container out and dry it with a paper towel. Then you can proceed as usual using 14 - 20 drops of hardner per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. Here are the pics of it installed. They show a bit better the amount of room gained with this box over the last one. Also notice how the box edges are flush as a mofo with the cab walls. Fits snug as a bug in there. PERFECT.
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01-25-2006, 10:38 AM	#259
x00 Got 20's? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 784 Location: nj User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) that looks amazing... Just wondering...When you'll be putting the mat/cloth over the whole thing, aren't you gonna go over the edges too? If so that would make them thicker and the box won't fit anymore... Thats how i ***ed up my jumpseat boxes, so then i had to trim plastic around the box Also, do you have any back shots of the box, just want to see what you did with the fabric. Overlap over the edges or it just ends on the side. Last edited by x00 : 01-25-2006 at 10:41 AM.*
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01-25-2006, 11:04 AM	#260
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by x00 that looks amazing... Just wondering...When you'll be putting the mat/cloth over the whole thing, aren't you gonna go over the edges too? If so that would make them thicker and the box won't fit anymore... Thats how i ****ed up my jumpseat boxes, so then i had to trim plastic around the box Also, do you have any back shots of the box, just want to see what you did with the fabric. Overlap over the edges or it just ends on the side. There is actually an 1/8" gap around the edges at the cab walls to allow for thickness build up of the glass. 7 layers of glass should fill this gap quite nicely. I'll be using 3 layers of 12oz glass, 2 layers 5oz glass and the last 2 will be 2oz glass. I'm about to get started on the center console. After which I'll fab up the new dash bezel and then I'll make one large order for glass. When I get that in I'll spend a weekend glassing all three (box, console, bezel) and then its all on like a pot of stew with the bondo work. But, the spandex stretched really nicely so after the glass, ther shouldn't be much bondo to do. Thank God. As far as pictures of the rear. I don't have them, I'll shoot a couple tonight. But, I stretched it completely around the bottom and the sides, fully enclosing the skeleton. Then I trimmed the access off. Like I said, I'll shoot some of the back side tonight.
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01-25-2006, 11:07 AM	#261
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Hey you all, Check out the video I made. The link is in my sig. I downloaded all kinds of small videos and then chopped them all up and put them into one. Lots of various footage you all may have seen before. Music is Korn and I shot some footage of fire in my garage and added it in along with an atom bomb explosion to give it a little bit of a dramatic appeal. Enjoy. Just a little something back for you all. 3+ minutes long. 56K guys beware. Last edited by JACKEL : 01-25-2006 at 11:09 AM.
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01-25-2006, 11:08 AM	#262
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 25 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,871 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Update: Because it was cold as hell here I let the resin cure for 2 days before handling it. With polyester and even epoxy based resins, you need to be mindful of the climate you are applying it in. If its too hot, the resin or epoxy will cure really fast. Sometimes too fast and in such case that is referred to as Cook Off. Also be midful of the 14 drops per 1.5oz of resin. When hot outside, sometimes less drops will be sufficient. However, when its cold, the cure time slows dramatically. And, you will need to add more drops of hardner per 1.5 oz of resin. For example: When I applied the resin on this enclosure, it was exactly 48 degrees in my garage. I mixed one 3oz batch and was adding 60 drops of hardner to the resin. After that, I heated the resin. Thats 30 drops per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. You will, in colder temperatures, need to add more hardner or the cure may not even occur fully or penetration into the fabric is more difficult. Here is the trick of the trade. Heat up the resin. When its cold, the resin seams thicker, like molasis rather than runier like slightly thickened syrup. DO NOT get too hot. All you need to do is grab a bucket and get hot ass water and put it in the bucket. Then submerge your resin container 3/4 deep in to the water. Do not fully submerge as you don't want water mixing at all with your mix. After 15 minutes, pull the resin container out and dry it with a paper towel. Then you can proceed as usual using 14 - 20 drops of hardner per 1.5oz of resin at 48 degrees. Here are the pics of it installed. They show a bit better the amount of room gained with this box over the last one. Also notice how the box edges are flush as a mofo with the cab walls. Fits snug as a bug in there. PERFECT. It's.. snug as a bug in a rug fool... And it looks great stuffed in there. Hows the smoothness of it so far? Im curious to all the sanding you'll have to do
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01-25-2006, 11:16 AM	#263
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) BiggerIsBetter, The spandex is very smooth. I'll use probably 100 grit, really quick on it (nothing crazy) just to score the surface so the resin and glass have a good bonding surface when I lay it on. I'm telling you, if you use spandex, you'll save money and a shit load of time. I'm not kidding. All the sanding involved with fleece is long behind you if you use it. It may cost more than fleece, but the savings in resin, time, effore, etc, more than offsets that cost.
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01-25-2006, 11:38 AM	#264
MoneyMike Beer, Bait and Ammo Age: 24 Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,201 Location: Baytown, Texas User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) you are a monster....
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01-25-2006, 12:31 PM	#265
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyMike you are a monster.... Thanks. I'd like to think I have a little firey demon inside, lol. I'm just trying to push the envelope as far as I can with fiberglass fabrication for a regular cab. I try to make my stuff look good; somewhat easy and explain my builds (from you all's perspective), look good (had to mention twice) and also be practical. i.e. the sub box with the periscope and back up cam. You never would have thought about there being a back up cam in the area of the box that juts upward in the middle. Most of you at first glance probably thought is was just design. But, the cam allows me to shave the reaview mirror and clean the interior up even more while using the screen in the dash as the new rearview. Serves function and looks awesome.
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01-25-2006, 02:50 PM	#266
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) You may have read my thread in the Off Topic section about the other sub box in this thread. Until I hear other wise, I'm considering it to be a stolen item. DO NOT part-take in transactions with Dropped01X, YOU WILL get burned. God Damn, I'm pissed.
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01-25-2006, 03:07 PM	#267
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Super short vid of me working on the sub bow. Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name. I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces. http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv
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01-25-2006, 05:19 PM	#268
x00 Got 20's? Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 784 Location: nj User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Super short vid of me working on the sub bow. Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name. I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces. http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv that's right, breath that stuff in...lol
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01-25-2006, 06:02 PM	#269
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by x00 that's right, breath that stuff in...lol Shit man, Didn't anyone tell you that stuff tastes good, lol. Yeah, white snot is fun. My friends, thats the hardcore way of doing it. Brings you closer in your relationship with your truck when you breathe and bleed its creation, lol. pssssssssst, I also talk to her while I work. Just kidding.
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01-25-2006, 06:34 PM	#270
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,943 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis ...then I'll make one large order for glass. When I get that in I'll spend a weekend glassing all three (box, console, bezel) and then its all on like a pot of stew with the bondo work. But, the spandex stretched really nicely so after the glass, ther shouldn't be much bondo to do. Thank God. hopefully ant and i miss that "fun" weekend... haha oh yea, and its "on like donkey kong" for future reference... Last edited by Chappy316 : 01-25-2006 at 06:36 PM.
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01-25-2006, 06:41 PM	#271
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy316 hopefully ant and i miss that "fun" weekend... haha oh yea, and its "on like donkey kong" for future reference... I thought it was "Its all on like a pot of stew", lol. I love the smell of resin. Maybe I'll be glassing when you get here. My shop smells like a resin factory.
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01-25-2006, 07:47 PM	#272
Milky4204 body droppin' Age: 24 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,480 Location: kc User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) lookin good. thats the same jig saw I have. works good for the price.
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01-25-2006, 07:49 PM	#273
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,943 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis I thought it was "Its all on like a pot of stew", lol. I love the smell of resin. Maybe I'll be glassing when you get here. My shop smells like a resin factory. oh dont you worry, i didnt say i hated the smell of resin because i dont... but if im gonna be "put to work" then i want some formal lessons and a practise project, but i guess i got my practise project which is why im making the visit right? lol
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01-26-2006, 08:58 AM	#274
jherrell SLASH - S.I.C. St. Louis Age: 36 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,231 Location: Shiloh, IL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Brentwood is right in the middle of St. Louis. Sorry bro. I hear there is a plethera of you truckin guys out that way. I've been in touch here recently with SLY from TeamSSX about me maybe starting a chapter out here in St. Louis. It's gonna be hard though, I rarely see our type (min-trucks) rolling around this way. Thats why when I do eventually see one, I get all excited and shit. Its nice to run into your own kind around here. Unfortunately, this area is over run with ricers, making the mini-trucker the elite. Damn Nick, guess you ain't looking around. I run with the St-Louis S-Series group. Actually a pretty good group of guys and gals. I hail from the east side over near Scott AFB. I'm going to start some glass projects in the summer (new sub enclosure and amp mounts, center console, and a couple of other things), so hopefully we can hook up and you can give me some pointers... I drive a 01 regular cab, Pewter in color, currently half-bagged! Last edited by jherrell : 01-26-2006 at 09:02 AM.
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01-26-2006, 09:42 AM	#275
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 25 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,871 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Super short vid of me working on the sub bow. Just in case you all were curious on how its done. Well you can now sort of put the face behind the name. I'm using a 2" diameter drum sander on a die grinder to even up some surfaces. http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1138219493.wmv You look like your out to rob a bank fella.. lol. Lil cold in the ol' shop?
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01-26-2006, 04:38 PM	#276
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER You look like your out to rob a bank fella.. lol. Lil cold in the ol' shop? Cold as Shit. I had to bundle up while I work just to keep my hands from shaking, lol.
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01-26-2006, 04:39 PM	#277
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell Damn Nick, guess you ain't looking around. I run with the St-Louis S-Series group. Actually a pretty good group of guys and gals. I hail from the east side over near Scott AFB. I'm going to start some glass projects in the summer (new sub enclosure and amp mounts, center console, and a couple of other things), so hopefully we can hook up and you can give me some pointers... I drive a 01 regular cab, Pewter in color, currently half-bagged! I'd more than happy to get together on some stuff. Just send a PM when you're ready to go.
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01-26-2006, 04:41 PM	#278
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) BIG NEWS!!!!!!! I'm A Dad!!!!! Kelly, my wife, gave birth to our daughter, Lily, this morning at 10:26 central. Just in case you all thought I disappeared today. Thats what was going on. Note to self: You know you're addicted to this forum when; you go home real quick to get some shit and you squeeze in a few minutes on the forum to announce the news and hit up some pm's.
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01-26-2006, 04:44 PM	#279
Got_20s body dropped Age: 33 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,384 Location: Whitby, Ontario, Canada User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Congrats ! Who knew you had time to %@#$ with all the glassing goin on.
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01-26-2006, 04:49 PM	#280
JACKEL I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 79 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,075 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by Got_20s Congrats ! Who knew you had time to %@#$ with all the glassing goin on. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks guys. Its pretty damn sureal. I've seen some shit in life (prior service and all) but this is the first time the world seemed to move in slow motion as it was coming out. Fvcking unbelievable that women do that shit. And, actually want to do it. Makes me glad as hell that the day I was born, I had a dick, constituting me as a male so that I didn't have to go through that shit. God Damn !!!!!!!!! is all I have to say about that. I'm heading back to the hospital. You guys have a good weekend and I'll hit up pm'd questions some time this weekend when I can. Thanks, -Nick
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01-26-2006, 04:53 PM	#281
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 24 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,943 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) dude thats awesome news, CONGRATS!
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01-26-2006, 05:22 PM	#282
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 25 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,871 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Wow.. congratulations to you and the wifey ! Heh.. now the hard part starts
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01-27-2006, 12:17 AM	#283
Kenny_Cox BodyDropped Member Age: 22 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,251 Location: HOLT, Michigan User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) congrats nick!
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01-27-2006, 11:02 PM	#284
Metlhed01 ANGRY BABY! Age: 22 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,379 Location: Micco, FL (sebastian) User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) first and foremost, congrats on the little one. that box fits like a glove. im amazed, really. and i dont know whats worse, breathing in fiberglass dust, or galvinized metal, heh.
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01-27-2006, 11:42 PM	#285
SSBlazerV8 Registered User Age: 44 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 899 Location: Mississippi Gulfcoast User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Congrats to you & your wife. Post some pics of the family. I remember the night when our daughter was born. You are correct I was amazed when I saw Donna born. It gives you a new outlook on the female gender. I hope ya'll have a daughter as good as ours.
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