Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two)

BIGGERISBETTER · 04-17-2006, 01:48 PM

done w/ anything new?

NickZigaitis · 04-17-2006, 05:05 PM

Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior.

Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently.

Chappy316 · 04-17-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior.

Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently.

we atleast keep us posted on the progress here and when its done then link us to the thread you start about the suspension of this thing!

vio0633 · 04-17-2006, 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior.

Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently.

I cant wait to see it slick sanded nick! As far as suspensions work..you going to update us on how many bolts you put in the frame for your RG kit? LOL...just teasing. Please...keep me up to date on how everything goes for your buildup nick.

NickZigaitis · 04-18-2006, 08:25 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

I cant wait to see it slick sanded nick! As far as suspensions work..you going to update us on how many bolts you put in the frame for your RG kit? LOL...just teasing. Please...keep me up to date on how everything goes for your buildup nick.

We'll do. I so f-ing glad to be close to wrapping up this interior. So far this is damn near a year in the making on the interior alone.

BIGGERISBETTER · 04-18-2006, 12:25 PM

good deal bud

jherrell · 04-18-2006, 02:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

We'll do. I so f-ing glad to be close to wrapping up this interior. So far this is damn near a year in the making on the interior alone.

Holler at me when you are ready to start bagging. As long as I got a free night or two, I'd be willing to come and lend a hand... I even have tools.

Oh yeah, I got pulled over by the popo on the way home from your house that night... seems she (the officer) didn't like me hitting the switches on 40 coming off the ramp and merging into traffic.

slash

NickZigaitis · 04-18-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell

Holler at me when you are ready to start bagging. As long as I got a free night or two, I'd be willing to come and lend a hand... I even have tools.

Oh yeah, I got pulled over by the popo on the way home from your house that night... seems she (the officer) didn't like me hitting the switches on 40 coming off the ramp and merging into traffic.

slash

Bitch. I think I know who you're talking about. She's like the only female cop in the Brentwood area.

jherrell · 04-20-2006, 01:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Bitch. I think I know who you're talking about. She's like the only female cop in the Brentwood area.

It was kind of funny, she was startled to see a 33 year old in the truck, guess she was expecting some teenager. She was nice about it though, and simply asked me not to hit the switches while driving... she didn't even bother asking for license or registration (good thing, I forgot my wallet at the office and had to go back later that evening for it)

Glad to hear you've made even more progress. Eventually I'll get around to starting the rest of my interior.

I did get a few more things knocked off my list: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f30/minor-updates-244440/ and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...419updates.asp and
http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_2.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_3.asp

Like you, I got a big list. Hit me up when you need a hand.

Slash

NickZigaitis · 04-20-2006, 08:12 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell

It was kind of funny, she was startled to see a 33 year old in the truck, guess she was expecting some teenager. She was nice about it though, and simply asked me not to hit the switches while driving... she didn't even bother asking for license or registration (good thing, I forgot my wallet at the office and had to go back later that evening for it)

Glad to hear you've made even more progress. Eventually I'll get around to starting the rest of my interior.

I did get a few more things knocked off my list: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244440 and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...419updates.asp and
http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_2.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_3.asp

Like you, I got a big list. Hit me up when you need a hand.

Slash

Big list, no shit. I made a list in Word, double spaced, and it was like 8 pages, and so far I'm only a 1/3rd through the first page, lol. Onece the interior is done, some of the suspension items painted, everything torn down for the frame to get painted, I should be on page 7 by Aug.

Looks good. Who did your site? I've got some one working on mine right now. Its got a more wicked feel that your's but I liked your's non-the-less.

jherrell · 04-20-2006, 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Big list, no shit. I made a list in Word, double spaced, and it was like 8 pages, and so far I'm only a 1/3rd through the first page, lol. Onece the interior is done, some of the suspension items painted, everything torn down for the frame to get painted, I should be on page 7 by Aug.

Looks good. Who did your site? I've got some one working on mine right now. Its got a more wicked feel that your's but I liked your's non-the-less.

I make lists for everything. I have a master list of project (house, truck, bike), then I spawn mini lists off that master list. My wife is always pissed at me cause I have x number of lists all folded up on my desk. I just review whatever list I need based on whatever project I am working on and get whatever I can knocked off the list. Of course, I usually have 2-3 projects going at the same time.

I threw together the design of that site about 2am one evening about a month ago. The layout is completely template driven, some content is database driven. I really haven't had too much of a chance to write more content, but I add more here and there as time permits...

Keep making progress on it, at least a little every day, and eventually it'll get there. If I could spend 4-5 weeks straight on my truck, I could have it done the way I want, but nonetheless, life and work prevents me from getting there.

peace
slash

NickZigaitis · 04-20-2006, 12:41 PM

Yo, check it out. My new website. Should have it up soon. I'll keep you guys updated.

vio0633 · 04-20-2006, 05:39 PM

Hey looks good nick! Cant wait to see it up online! Did tom help you with that?

NickZigaitis · 04-21-2006, 08:06 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Hey looks good nick! Cant wait to see it up online! Did tom help you with that?

He did a great job rebuilding the JPeg of the truck. The original had the front end cut off. Now the front end is rebuilt and I pretty much used you alls suggestions for coming up with a sleek, sinister, but professional and mature BG. Simple, but gets the point across.

NickZigaitis · 04-27-2006, 08:06 AM

I tried taking pictures of my shop for you guys so you all could see where it all goes down but my digi took a shit I think.

I'll have to get out the wifey's cam this weekend.

Well, the schedule has me doing last minute surface prep this week and then Slick Sand Primering this weekend. The following weekend I will be shooting the color coat and clear coat.

So, that being said the interior is so close to done its not funny. That also being said, my involvement with this thread is nearly done, at least from an 'updating' point of view.

I do encourage anyone to post questions they might have about glassing here in this thread rather than PM-ing them to me. This way, we ALL see the question so we ALL can benefit from answers, or general discussion on the table. This might help me control the number of repetitive questions I recieve via PM. I think this way would be better for all.

Thanks for all those watching this thread intently for some time now and be sure to keep on the look out for my website when its up.

Thanks again.

More updates coming soon.

BIGGERISBETTER · 04-27-2006, 10:59 AM

badass

im still thinkin of stuff i can send to you sometime in the future to get glassed.. im tryin to be reasonable..lol

Its hard!

vio0633 · 04-28-2006, 04:30 PM

If you cut finerglass nick like a relief cut...do you lose the stregth in it? Maybe after you cut it you can over lap in a 45* angle to make it better...I dont know any insight on how you can cut glass to achieve sharp corners bro?

NickZigaitis · 04-28-2006, 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

If you cut finerglass nick like a relief cut...do you lose the stregth in it? Maybe after you cut it you can over lap in a 45* angle to make it better...I dont know any insight on how you can cut glass to achieve sharp corners bro?

Relief cutting to wrap around a corner will nearly always cause some type of overlap.

With finer cloth fiberglass like 3oz or less, when relief cutting, you actually add strength to it because of the over lap. The over lapped areas are in a sense like multi-layers of fiberglass even though its one originating piece of glass. Follow me on that?

That goes for any fiberglass of any weight. When you overlap; overlap = sections of multi-layers = added strength = less layers required for those given areas. It doesn't however eliminate the need for multi-layers in areas when overlap isn't accomplished. Thse areas will still need several layers at least to accomplish full strength.

vio0633 · 04-28-2006, 05:48 PM

Yeah I follow you on what you mean nick. Im saying that relief cutting something is ok asd long asd it is wrapped and overlayed to add stregth. Now if you relief cut and try to get a corner without over laping and all you did was try to bring the 2 edges together...then yeah thats bad. Just wanted to clear that up man.

ThorRacing01 · 04-30-2006, 11:03 PM

Nick,
I was wondering if this gun would work for slick sand? If not could you send me a link of a gun i would want to look at? Or maybe a link to a cheaper gun that would get the job done the same.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47484
or
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=91009

Thanks

NickZigaitis · 05-01-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by
[URL="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47484"

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47484[/url]

This one is the one you need. You must use a 2.0mm or even larger tip for the gun. Slick Sand is like shooting quick sand, lol. Its thick. I'm still learning how to shoot the shit and learn its characteristics to reprogram my brain into shooting something like this verses a thinner polyeurethane type paint.

That being said, I'll go ahead and...........

Update:

80% of the interior pieces are slick sand primed. I'll get to that latter but at the moment I want to talk to you all about Slick Sand.

Slick Sand WILL BE NOTHING LIKE YOU EVER SHOT BEFORE. YOU MUST REPROGRAM YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT with regards to gun based painting. Slick Sand is a primer and a SUPER high build filler. Its primary purpose is filling. In the normal world, a quart of primer would have easily covered every interior piece I had; sub box, console, dash, all interior plastics, everything. Where I made a mistake this past weekend was trying to spread the Slick Sand way too thin so my quart would cover everything. With Slick Sand, rather than doing normal strocks and dusting your coats on, with slick sand you move slow and at times depending on the fill needed, you'll actually pause and hold the gun concentrating in one spot.

Where you get f-ed up at is the slowness with which you have to work. A normal mindset would say, "Shit, Its not filling but if I move any slower is going to run". Well, a run here and there is ok with it. Think of Slick sand as a sprayable bondo except its easier to sand. You will still have to shape the Slick Sand after it cures. For instance, I had a HUGE run on my console. I got all panicky. But, after it cured, I sanded it with 220 in that one spot and knocked it right down.

Where I beefed up is I only bought a quart of it. Again, thinking it would be enough. Well, the 45minute pot life came and I was only 1/2 way through my parts. 53minutes into the pot life and I gave up before the Slick Sand cured in the gun and seize it. All in all, the sub box, console, dash and some plastics go Slick Sanded. However, they are all in need of additional heavier coats.

In a act of desperation I called Frank (Vio0633). He is the one that told me about Slick Sand. I reported what I found and consulting Luke, the painter that did his panels and some other seriously awesome shit (hint hint, look at Trucking Mag, fiberglass sub enclosure article, cough, cough). Basically Luke and Frank confirmed that my compressor psi and gun psi were set correctly and that it was my too fast of spray technique that got the better of me.

Frank and Luke suggested next time that I buy a gallon of Slick Sand and lay on some seriously thick and even runny coats on to the items because I'll still have to do final shaping of the Slick Sand before the color coat goes on.

Just thought you all might want some additional info on Slick Sand. All in all, I was very pleased with its ability and I'm sure when I use it again, it will go even better yet.

Now, all that being said, I'm done with the interior for right now. After almost a year working on it and other people's projects too, I'm sick of the interior and will be moving onto the suspension and meat of this project.

Sinse Saturday, I have shelved all my interior Item inthe garage's loft and cleaned all the damn fiberglass dust out of there. I unpacked my air ride kist and inventoried everything and set up shop for that part of the build. Bed is scheduled to come off this weekend.

Unfortunately my digi took a shit. But, I popped it open and cleaned all the fiberglass dust out from inside it and put it together. I'll get picks for you all hopefully tonight and post them tomorrow. If my digi doesn't work, I'll get the wife's out and use hers.

So, Thats the end, for right now. The interior pieces will be brought back out for Slick Sand again and color and clear coat when the truck is out to the painter. I'll drop back in and post updates later down the road when they get done and go in the truck.

I just wanted to thank all the 21K hits on this thread and all the attention it generated. Your feed back and questions along the way I believe helped many out in giving them the confidence to do thier own projects.

Please continue to feel free to post questions or what have you in this thread. Its better to post them here rather than PMing me so that everyone benefits from the info.

Thanks guys and good luck with your projects.

Keep on the look out for my new website and company name in a couple weeks, "Composite Engineering, LLC". I'll let you all know when its up and running. Business officially kicks off under the new name in June 07'. Thats about when I'll have all the LLC, insurance, pricing and trademark documentation completed.

vio0633 · 05-01-2006, 03:15 PM

Nick your the man!! Good luck to ya buddy on your bussiness man! I hope to see it up and running here soon! When you start your suspension buildup please keep us p to dat eon how it goes. Your truck is going to be SIC...LOL.

BIGGERISBETTER · 05-01-2006, 05:22 PM

i <3 you man... in that non-gay sorta way .. ya kno..

haha

i'll make sure my buddy's read up on that stuff before using it. I have them pretty interested in it now.

NickZigaitis · 05-02-2006, 03:32 PM

As promised, I have pics.

This is the latest, and the last project I'm working on for a while. I need to catch up on my truck air install.

This is a customer's guage bezel. It is made of the oem HU bezel for some types of center consoles for dimes and Blazers. Here, I again made a guage platform and mounted it; used stretch fabric and CA glue and then epoxied the fabric. To make a solid understructure, I injected expandable foam under the stretch fabric. I did this to reduce the amount of fiberglass layers for strength as I had to be very mindful of the mounting tabs for it because this was the only part being fiberglassed on the center console. The rest of the console was to remain intact and in an oem fashion. The rough texture you see is Slick Sand sprayed heavier in some locations to level the surface. All will be sanded and baby ass smooth.

NickZigaitis · 05-02-2006, 04:12 PM

These are some shop pictures for you guys. This is where all the fiberglassing went down. As you can see, the sub box and console, dash and plastic interior pieces are all stowed in the loft and protected as you can also see I'm heavily gearing up for the suspension, frame work and fabrication and body work. My goal is for the frame to be all cut and fabricated and painted in the next month and the driveshaft, axle, links and a-arms to be painted as well. By end of summer this thing will be floating on air.

Again, thanks for everything and good luck on your projects. Besure to continue to ask questions as you have them and if I don't know the answer, I'll know a good direction to point you for getting it.

Thanks,

Nick

...............An old KayBar of mine from my Navy days, put to good use.

Me practicing my welding for the big suspension and body work.

Crazygenius13 · 05-02-2006, 04:26 PM

sweet

vio0633 · 05-02-2006, 08:12 PM

Nick...I can see that you did the right thing for the gauge bezel by applying it thick. What im wondering is why it blobbed up like that...hmmm. Whenever we sprayed it with the gun it would do that and then eventually run away and smooth itself out. It kinda like may have had the slick sand to thick. My buddy never added anything to it to thin it out. Maybe you added to much catalyst or something...Hmm...sand it down and we will see what it looks like here in the future. It should come out ok. I also see the picts of the box

04-17-2006, 01:48 PM	#651
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) done w/ anything new?
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04-17-2006, 05:05 PM	#652
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior. Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently.
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04-17-2006, 05:16 PM	#653
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,892 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior. Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently. we atleast keep us posted on the progress here and when its done then link us to the thread you start about the suspension of this thing!
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04-17-2006, 05:20 PM	#654
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Just finished all the surface prep on the Console and Sub Box, and all the plastic parts for the interior. I've already started the new dash bezel and I should have that done in about a week. Then I'll Slick Sand prime everything and have some steady progress pics your ya all as I prime, paint and clear coat these parts. Then I'll be packaging them up for storage to keep them safe while I rip into the suspension like a wild man. So, here shortly I'll be done with the interior and thus have passed on as much info as I could on glassing the interior. Consequently, the updates will cease for a while in regards to fiberglass unless you all want me to post progress pics of the suspension work too. After the interior is done, I will be doing some fiberglass work on the body such as shaving the seam between the rollpan and the side pieces of the step shavers. But that might be more suited for other forums as I'm sure the mods aren't going to like suspension related posts being in the interior forums. I've had enough run ins as you can see, my sig is gone permanently. I cant wait to see it slick sanded nick! As far as suspensions work..you going to update us on how many bolts you put in the frame for your RG kit? LOL...just teasing. Please...keep me up to date on how everything goes for your buildup nick.
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04-18-2006, 08:25 AM	#655
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 I cant wait to see it slick sanded nick! As far as suspensions work..you going to update us on how many bolts you put in the frame for your RG kit? LOL...just teasing. Please...keep me up to date on how everything goes for your buildup nick. We'll do. I so f-ing glad to be close to wrapping up this interior. So far this is damn near a year in the making on the interior alone.
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04-18-2006, 12:25 PM	#656
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) good deal bud
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04-18-2006, 02:06 PM	#657
jherrell SLASH - S.I.C. St. Louis Age: 35 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,891 Location: Shiloh, IL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis We'll do. I so f-ing glad to be close to wrapping up this interior. So far this is damn near a year in the making on the interior alone. Holler at me when you are ready to start bagging. As long as I got a free night or two, I'd be willing to come and lend a hand... I even have tools. Oh yeah, I got pulled over by the popo on the way home from your house that night... seems she (the officer) didn't like me hitting the switches on 40 coming off the ramp and merging into traffic. slash
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04-18-2006, 02:09 PM	#658
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell Holler at me when you are ready to start bagging. As long as I got a free night or two, I'd be willing to come and lend a hand... I even have tools. Oh yeah, I got pulled over by the popo on the way home from your house that night... seems she (the officer) didn't like me hitting the switches on 40 coming off the ramp and merging into traffic. slash Bitch. I think I know who you're talking about. She's like the only female cop in the Brentwood area.
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04-20-2006, 01:34 AM	#659
jherrell SLASH - S.I.C. St. Louis Age: 35 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,891 Location: Shiloh, IL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Bitch. I think I know who you're talking about. She's like the only female cop in the Brentwood area. It was kind of funny, she was startled to see a 33 year old in the truck, guess she was expecting some teenager. She was nice about it though, and simply asked me not to hit the switches while driving... she didn't even bother asking for license or registration (good thing, I forgot my wallet at the office and had to go back later that evening for it) Glad to hear you've made even more progress. Eventually I'll get around to starting the rest of my interior. I did get a few more things knocked off my list: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f30/minor-updates-244440/ and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...419updates.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_2.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_3.asp Like you, I got a big list. Hit me up when you need a hand. Slash
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04-20-2006, 08:12 AM	#660
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by jherrell It was kind of funny, she was startled to see a 33 year old in the truck, guess she was expecting some teenager. She was nice about it though, and simply asked me not to hit the switches while driving... she didn't even bother asking for license or registration (good thing, I forgot my wallet at the office and had to go back later that evening for it) Glad to hear you've made even more progress. Eventually I'll get around to starting the rest of my interior. I did get a few more things knocked off my list: http://www.s10forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244440 and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...419updates.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_2.asp and http://www.star275.org/slash/site/tr...9updates_3.asp Like you, I got a big list. Hit me up when you need a hand. Slash Big list, no shit. I made a list in Word, double spaced, and it was like 8 pages, and so far I'm only a 1/3rd through the first page, lol. Onece the interior is done, some of the suspension items painted, everything torn down for the frame to get painted, I should be on page 7 by Aug. Looks good. Who did your site? I've got some one working on mine right now. Its got a more wicked feel that your's but I liked your's non-the-less.
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04-20-2006, 09:37 AM	#661
jherrell SLASH - S.I.C. St. Louis Age: 35 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,891 Location: Shiloh, IL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Big list, no shit. I made a list in Word, double spaced, and it was like 8 pages, and so far I'm only a 1/3rd through the first page, lol. Onece the interior is done, some of the suspension items painted, everything torn down for the frame to get painted, I should be on page 7 by Aug. Looks good. Who did your site? I've got some one working on mine right now. Its got a more wicked feel that your's but I liked your's non-the-less. I make lists for everything. I have a master list of project (house, truck, bike), then I spawn mini lists off that master list. My wife is always pissed at me cause I have x number of lists all folded up on my desk. I just review whatever list I need based on whatever project I am working on and get whatever I can knocked off the list. Of course, I usually have 2-3 projects going at the same time. I threw together the design of that site about 2am one evening about a month ago. The layout is completely template driven, some content is database driven. I really haven't had too much of a chance to write more content, but I add more here and there as time permits... Keep making progress on it, at least a little every day, and eventually it'll get there. If I could spend 4-5 weeks straight on my truck, I could have it done the way I want, but nonetheless, life and work prevents me from getting there. peace slash
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04-20-2006, 12:41 PM	#662
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Yo, check it out. My new website. Should have it up soon. I'll keep you guys updated.
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04-20-2006, 05:39 PM	#663
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Hey looks good nick! Cant wait to see it up online! Did tom help you with that?
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04-21-2006, 08:06 AM	#664
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Hey looks good nick! Cant wait to see it up online! Did tom help you with that? He did a great job rebuilding the JPeg of the truck. The original had the front end cut off. Now the front end is rebuilt and I pretty much used you alls suggestions for coming up with a sleek, sinister, but professional and mature BG. Simple, but gets the point across.
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04-27-2006, 08:06 AM	#665
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) I tried taking pictures of my shop for you guys so you all could see where it all goes down but my digi took a shit I think. I'll have to get out the wifey's cam this weekend. Well, the schedule has me doing last minute surface prep this week and then Slick Sand Primering this weekend. The following weekend I will be shooting the color coat and clear coat. So, that being said the interior is so close to done its not funny. That also being said, my involvement with this thread is nearly done, at least from an 'updating' point of view. I do encourage anyone to post questions they might have about glassing here in this thread rather than PM-ing them to me. This way, we ALL see the question so we ALL can benefit from answers, or general discussion on the table. This might help me control the number of repetitive questions I recieve via PM. I think this way would be better for all. Thanks for all those watching this thread intently for some time now and be sure to keep on the look out for my website when its up. Thanks again. More updates coming soon.
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04-27-2006, 10:59 AM	#666
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) badass im still thinkin of stuff i can send to you sometime in the future to get glassed.. im tryin to be reasonable..lol Its hard!
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04-28-2006, 04:30 PM	#667
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) If you cut finerglass nick like a relief cut...do you lose the stregth in it? Maybe after you cut it you can over lap in a 45* angle to make it better...I dont know any insight on how you can cut glass to achieve sharp corners bro?
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04-28-2006, 05:18 PM	#668
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 If you cut finerglass nick like a relief cut...do you lose the stregth in it? Maybe after you cut it you can over lap in a 45* angle to make it better...I dont know any insight on how you can cut glass to achieve sharp corners bro? Relief cutting to wrap around a corner will nearly always cause some type of overlap. With finer cloth fiberglass like 3oz or less, when relief cutting, you actually add strength to it because of the over lap. The over lapped areas are in a sense like multi-layers of fiberglass even though its one originating piece of glass. Follow me on that? That goes for any fiberglass of any weight. When you overlap; overlap = sections of multi-layers = added strength = less layers required for those given areas. It doesn't however eliminate the need for multi-layers in areas when overlap isn't accomplished. Thse areas will still need several layers at least to accomplish full strength.
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04-28-2006, 05:48 PM	#669
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Yeah I follow you on what you mean nick. Im saying that relief cutting something is ok asd long asd it is wrapped and overlayed to add stregth. Now if you relief cut and try to get a corner without over laping and all you did was try to bring the 2 edges together...then yeah thats bad. Just wanted to clear that up man.
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04-30-2006, 11:03 PM	#670
ThorRacing01 Registered User Age: 25 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,401 Location: newport news,va User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Nick, I was wondering if this gun would work for slick sand? If not could you send me a link of a gun i would want to look at? Or maybe a link to a cheaper gun that would get the job done the same. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47484 or http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=91009 Thanks Last edited by ThorRacing01 : 04-30-2006 at 11:17 PM.
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05-01-2006, 09:18 AM	#671
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by [URL="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47484" http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47484[/url] This one is the one you need. You must use a 2.0mm or even larger tip for the gun. Slick Sand is like shooting quick sand, lol. Its thick. I'm still learning how to shoot the shit and learn its characteristics to reprogram my brain into shooting something like this verses a thinner polyeurethane type paint. That being said, I'll go ahead and........... Update: 80% of the interior pieces are slick sand primed. I'll get to that latter but at the moment I want to talk to you all about Slick Sand. Slick Sand WILL BE NOTHING LIKE YOU EVER SHOT BEFORE. YOU MUST REPROGRAM YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT with regards to gun based painting. Slick Sand is a primer and a SUPER high build filler. Its primary purpose is filling. In the normal world, a quart of primer would have easily covered every interior piece I had; sub box, console, dash, all interior plastics, everything. Where I made a mistake this past weekend was trying to spread the Slick Sand way too thin so my quart would cover everything. With Slick Sand, rather than doing normal strocks and dusting your coats on, with slick sand you move slow and at times depending on the fill needed, you'll actually pause and hold the gun concentrating in one spot. Where you get f-ed up at is the slowness with which you have to work. A normal mindset would say, "Shit, Its not filling but if I move any slower is going to run". Well, a run here and there is ok with it. Think of Slick sand as a sprayable bondo except its easier to sand. You will still have to shape the Slick Sand after it cures. For instance, I had a HUGE run on my console. I got all panicky. But, after it cured, I sanded it with 220 in that one spot and knocked it right down. Where I beefed up is I only bought a quart of it. Again, thinking it would be enough. Well, the 45minute pot life came and I was only 1/2 way through my parts. 53minutes into the pot life and I gave up before the Slick Sand cured in the gun and seize it. All in all, the sub box, console, dash and some plastics go Slick Sanded. However, they are all in need of additional heavier coats. In a act of desperation I called Frank (Vio0633). He is the one that told me about Slick Sand. I reported what I found and consulting Luke, the painter that did his panels and some other seriously awesome shit (hint hint, look at Trucking Mag, fiberglass sub enclosure article, cough, cough). Basically Luke and Frank confirmed that my compressor psi and gun psi were set correctly and that it was my too fast of spray technique that got the better of me. Frank and Luke suggested next time that I buy a gallon of Slick Sand and lay on some seriously thick and even runny coats on to the items because I'll still have to do final shaping of the Slick Sand before the color coat goes on. Just thought you all might want some additional info on Slick Sand. All in all, I was very pleased with its ability and I'm sure when I use it again, it will go even better yet. Now, all that being said, I'm done with the interior for right now. After almost a year working on it and other people's projects too, I'm sick of the interior and will be moving onto the suspension and meat of this project. Sinse Saturday, I have shelved all my interior Item inthe garage's loft and cleaned all the damn fiberglass dust out of there. I unpacked my air ride kist and inventoried everything and set up shop for that part of the build. Bed is scheduled to come off this weekend. Unfortunately my digi took a shit. But, I popped it open and cleaned all the fiberglass dust out from inside it and put it together. I'll get picks for you all hopefully tonight and post them tomorrow. If my digi doesn't work, I'll get the wife's out and use hers. So, Thats the end, for right now. The interior pieces will be brought back out for Slick Sand again and color and clear coat when the truck is out to the painter. I'll drop back in and post updates later down the road when they get done and go in the truck. I just wanted to thank all the 21K hits on this thread and all the attention it generated. Your feed back and questions along the way I believe helped many out in giving them the confidence to do thier own projects. Please continue to feel free to post questions or what have you in this thread. Its better to post them here rather than PMing me so that everyone benefits from the info. Thanks guys and good luck with your projects. Keep on the look out for my new website and company name in a couple weeks, "Composite Engineering, LLC". I'll let you all know when its up and running. Business officially kicks off under the new name in June 07'. Thats about when I'll have all the LLC, insurance, pricing and trademark documentation completed.
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05-01-2006, 03:15 PM	#672
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Nick your the man!! Good luck to ya buddy on your bussiness man! I hope to see it up and running here soon! When you start your suspension buildup please keep us p to dat eon how it goes. Your truck is going to be SIC...LOL.
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05-01-2006, 05:22 PM	#673
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) i <3 you man... in that non-gay sorta way .. ya kno.. haha i'll make sure my buddy's read up on that stuff before using it. I have them pretty interested in it now.
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05-02-2006, 03:32 PM	#674
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) As promised, I have pics. This is the latest, and the last project I'm working on for a while. I need to catch up on my truck air install. This is a customer's guage bezel. It is made of the oem HU bezel for some types of center consoles for dimes and Blazers. Here, I again made a guage platform and mounted it; used stretch fabric and CA glue and then epoxied the fabric. To make a solid understructure, I injected expandable foam under the stretch fabric. I did this to reduce the amount of fiberglass layers for strength as I had to be very mindful of the mounting tabs for it because this was the only part being fiberglassed on the center console. The rest of the console was to remain intact and in an oem fashion. The rough texture you see is Slick Sand sprayed heavier in some locations to level the surface. All will be sanded and baby ass smooth.
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05-02-2006, 04:12 PM	#675
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) These are some shop pictures for you guys. This is where all the fiberglassing went down. As you can see, the sub box and console, dash and plastic interior pieces are all stowed in the loft and protected as you can also see I'm heavily gearing up for the suspension, frame work and fabrication and body work. My goal is for the frame to be all cut and fabricated and painted in the next month and the driveshaft, axle, links and a-arms to be painted as well. By end of summer this thing will be floating on air. Again, thanks for everything and good luck on your projects. Besure to continue to ask questions as you have them and if I don't know the answer, I'll know a good direction to point you for getting it. Thanks, Nick ...............An old KayBar of mine from my Navy days, put to good use. Me practicing my welding for the big suspension and body work.
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05-02-2006, 04:26 PM	#676
Crazygenius13 What y'all watchin HOES!? Age: 22 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,584 Location: Vacaville, CA User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) sweet
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