Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two)

NickZigaitis · 03-22-2006, 08:32 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by N-Man

i didnt feel like reading all these pages, so excuse me if this has been asked b4 but...

can somethin similar to this be done in a 97? If so, anyone got pics??

Yes. It can be done. No, I don't have pics, but yes, I have done it. Search the forum. I stumble across pics of others doing this type of mod on occassion.

BIGGERISBETTER · 03-24-2006, 08:03 AM

HRM... got any new stuff to show us fiberglass whores?

NickZigaitis · 03-24-2006, 09:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER

HRM... got any new stuff to show us fiberglass whores?

Good morning homie. I'll be dropping off that Aluminum plate for the tanks this weekend. As far as glassing goes.....I get off at 3 and then I'm going home to finish the glass in the goose neck of the sub box and then going like a wild man with the bondo and sanding work. I'm guess I might have about 90% of the surface prep for paint completed by the end of the weekend.

Next weekend, I'll start the new dash bezel and TV install, glass it, and maybe even bondo it next weekend. lol, I've done so many that each time I get quicker and quicker.

I'm so ready for this interior to be done. About another month and it will. Then its time to pull the bed off and go to town on it........this time with a welder.

NickZigaitis · 03-24-2006, 09:24 AM

I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately.

BIGGERISBETTER · 03-24-2006, 12:58 PM

sweetness.. All sounds good to me

Chappy316 · 03-24-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately.

awesome awesome...

and sorry i havent gotten those measurements to you yet, im too lazy and its been cold here so that doesnt help any either... ill do it soon cause my taxes are back so its time to start ordering parts!

jherrell · 03-27-2006, 02:29 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately.

so, anything new? We still need to hook up one of these evenings/weekends. Been way too busy. Hey did you get to look at the STL group posts on STL Welders... Switches posted up some info, don't know if you spoke with him yet or not...

Peace
-slash

Pestilence · 03-28-2006, 11:53 AM

I can't wait i want to do something like this on my 95' should be fun.

vio0633 · 03-28-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Good morning homie. I'll be dropping off that Aluminum plate for the tanks this weekend. As far as glassing goes.....I get off at 3 and then I'm going home to finish the glass in the goose neck of the sub box and then going like a wild man with the bondo and sanding work. I'm guess I might have about 90% of the surface prep for paint completed by the end of the weekend.

Next weekend, I'll start the new dash bezel and TV install, glass it, and maybe even bondo it next weekend. lol, I've done so many that each time I get quicker and quicker.

I'm so ready for this interior to be done. About another month and it will. Then its time to pull the bed off and go to town on it........this time with a welder.

Nick...I dont know if you have ever heard of this product but its absoultly amazing. Its called slick sand which is a high filler primer that can be broken down with 320 grit paper. It will fill everything from 1/8" low. Its an evercoat product and I used it on my panels. I had some pits and alot of work...but when I sprayed this stuff and sanded it quick with some 400 it came out fukin smooth as hell. A friend of mine who is a pro recomended I used this..I was so upset cause I feel that I did way to much work for this. But like I say...if you have the right tools then the job gets done quicker and easier. Do a search and take a look at this stuff called slick sand. Its cool as hell!

BIGGERISBETTER · 03-28-2006, 04:39 PM

His account is all jacked up again guys.. They are working to resolve it..

Chappy316 · 03-28-2006, 04:51 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER

His account is all jacked up again guys.. They are working to resolve it..

was starting to wonder... he usually updated us on sunday or monday after he got done with a full weekend of work but he hasnt posted in quite some time now, atleast not in here...

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 08:32 AM

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm Back!! Wooot!

God damn this is getting rediculous. Said my e-mail was invalid and it was right all along.

Anyway, I took pics but the progress really isn't to die for. Just sanding andf shaping the box like I've done with everything on this thread. Nothing new.

Vio0633, PM me. I want to know everything about this Slick Sand stuff. If for instance I sanded the shit out of the plastic pieces and there was the slightest grain still in it, would this stiff cover it? Do they sell in in quart size verses a gallon?,,,etc. I want to know everything cause if it is what you say it is, I'll pic up a quart and give it a try. Its a polyester base, I know that so it has a MEKL hardner for it. I have never worked with paints or mixing paints. Only resin and epoxy. With paints that require MEK hardner, how do you apply the hardner? In drops like with resin from a small tube?
What happens if a couple drops extra get mixed into the primer, will it cure really damn fast like resin? Also, my biggest worry is that I just bought a new gun. I've never shot it nor shot paint through a gun but i was gonna give it a try on this sub box I've been working on. Especially when it came to the clear coat. I don't want to sieze the gun with paint that hardened inside it. I guess my question is, with paints that require MEK, is there a science behind it when mixing in warm humid climates verses colder climates like with resin. i.e. more drops of MEK in the winter months when cold verses less drops in the summer when hot.

I need to pick your brain on this cause you have recent experience with it. I also want you to grill your Pro-painter partner over there as far as some of these questions, if you wouldn't mind.

Can you PM me a pic of your door panels. 1 pic of the non-slick sand primer and one with the primer. I want to see difference. Thanks

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 09:01 AM

I just wanted to thank all those who have viewed this thread for information. I hope it has been helpful for you all and that you learned something. I always learn from others with regards to glassing and a number of other aspects. So don't take my word for gospel. Add this info the the info gathered from others who glass and you'll be a better, more overall knowledgeable person with regards to glassing.

18000+ hits is humbling. I never would have imagined that kind of response. Awesome.

Hell, its been averaging 1000+ hits every 2 weeks. I bet 20K+ by June. Weird, never would have thought.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm Back!! Wooot!

God damn this is getting rediculous. Said my e-mail was invalid and it was right all along.

Anyway, I took pics but the progress really isn't to die for. Just sanding andf shaping the box like I've done with everything on this thread. Nothing new.

Vio0633, PM me. I want to know everything about this Slick Sand stuff. If for instance I sanded the shit out of the plastic pieces and there was the slightest grain still in it, would this stiff cover it? Do they sell in in quart size verses a gallon?,,,etc. I want to know everything cause if it is what you say it is, I'll pic up a quart and give it a try. Its a polyester base, I know that so it has a MEKL hardner for it. I have never worked with paints or mixing paints. Only resin and epoxy. With paints that require MEK hardner, how do you apply the hardner? In drops like with resin from a small tube?
What happens if a couple drops extra get mixed into the primer, will it cure really damn fast like resin? Also, my biggest worry is that I just bought a new gun. I've never shot it nor shot paint through a gun but i was gonna give it a try on this sub box I've been working on. Especially when it came to the clear coat. I don't want to sieze the gun with paint that hardened inside it. I guess my question is, with paints that require MEK, is there a science behind it when mixing in warm humid climates verses colder climates like with resin. i.e. more drops of MEK in the winter months when cold verses less drops in the summer when hot.

I need to pick your brain on this cause you have recent experience with it. I also want you to grill your Pro-painter partner over there as far as some of these questions, if you wouldn't mind.

Can you PM me a pic of your door panels. 1 pic of the non-slick sand primer and one with the primer. I want to see difference. Thanks

OK I will try and answer all your questions nick. Slick sand is a high filler primer. It is 2 part and smells like fiberglass. It filled my panel holes that had the pits in them that were low of about 1/8 inch. Its asouloutly amazing man. Its hard to explain...but its like a spray on filler and primer that goes on smooth and fills everything in and also adheres to fiberglass very well. Take a look at google. Look up Slick sand made by evercoat. Please nick...get some of this stuff and try it out. Im telling you now....NO MORE FILLERS ARE NEEDED! This stuff is a filler and can be sanded with 320 or 400 grit. You can take a piece that you would think would take a month to sand...and do it all in one day with an exceptional finish.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 04:54 PM

It does require you the use of a hardner to add to it. If you buy a paint can you can have it measure right for a good mixture. I will get as many picts as I can get. The picture with the light weight filler and kitty hair was sprayed once and was VERY close to perfect. I was so upset...cause I did all this work and thought I had so much more to do but in reality...with the right tools and knowledge I was able to do the job right in 1/2 the time. I will talk to him and see if he can chime in. To give an example on how well this fills...I took my power window switch armrest out right...well scuffed the paint and it had the texture still in it. Sprayed 1 coat of slick sand on it and bam....it all went away. This shit is the bomb...I hope you reccomend this out to everyone and maybe help people out with the use of this nick. Again...please get some of this stuff bro.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 04:56 PM

It is thick product. I think he had to take the plastic piece out in his gun to make it work. When we were spraying it....if it got to thick it was the hardner making the solution alot harder...kinda like fiberglass. You just have to know how much hardner and filler you have to use. If you get some...the instructions should help you out nick.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 04:59 PM

Here is a picture of what he did in a F150. Thsi truck was in spring fling 06. He made 30K on this install and build up...and yes he did use slick sand on it. http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Here is a picture of what he did in a F150. Thsi truck was in spring fling 06. He made 30K on this install and build up...and yes he did use slick sand on it. http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg

I think you're gonna piss yourself if I don't use it, lol. Actually, I called a local supplier I use. They can get Slick Sand in quart size for $18.00. It uses an MEK hardner that can be measured and adjusted in cure rate like resin and hardner drops. It is thick. The painter I talked to said that you need a 2.0 of larger tip on the gun to shoot it. The supplier I use has a gun meant for shooting paints that thick for $30.00.

I WILL GIVE IT A TRY, Vio. Don't worry. If this stuff is what you say it is. I might resand, reprime (with Slick Sand) repaint and reclear everything I've done to ensure uniformity in part texture and quality.

How far does a quart go? Could I shoot my sub box with a quart and have some left over?

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg

Fvck-ola. I'm convinced. I'm trying it. Good find. Great work on this. You may have just saved my wrist from all the super hardcore sanding and filling. My freak'n hand still goes numb.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 05:15 PM

Yeah you will be fine as far as a quart. I use about 1 quart for my door panels and had 2 coats. Im sorry for beign so excited...I never thought that the ease of this stuff could make a piece look so good and be so simple to use nick. Yes it is thick and your absoulutly right on the use of drops to the filler to make it harden up and cure right. When you resand and use the slick sand...sand it with some 400 grit or higher...it will need to be sanded but when you do and its all done its going to be badass.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis

Fvck-ola. I'm convinced. I'm trying it. Good find. Great work on this. You may have just saved my wrist from all the super hardcore sanding and filling. My freak'n hand still goes numb.

My hand was numb...now It doesnt go numb any more and I can still rub one out at night!!

J/K

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 06:09 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

My hand was numb...now It doesnt go numb any more and I can still rub one out at night!! J/K

Ahhh, hell, rubbing one out for me is harder now-a-days. Haaaaa, J/k,.............no really, it is, lol

I'm gonna try it. If its shit, I'm coming after you. Just playing. What gun did you use?

I read your profile. Said your occupation was military. What branch?

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 06:30 PM

Im in the Navy. What size gun I dont know exactly what size it is...I will have to get back to you on that. Im going to PM u my number bro...holla at me if you have any questions. Dont call me when your hand is numb and your rubbing one out...LOL...J/K If you want nick....go ahead and try it on a practice piece so you can get the feel of it right and you get practice on the right mixture bro.

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 06:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Im in the Navy. What size gun I dont know exactly what size it is...I will have to get back to you on that. Im going to PM u my number bro...holla at me if you have any questions. Dont call me when your hand is numb and your rubbing one out...LOL...J/K If you want nick....go ahead and try it on a practice piece so you can get the feel of it right and you get practice on the right mixture bro.

No shit. I was Navy. 6 1/2years. I was a Corpsman. Was Blue side with the Navy for 3 years and Green side with the Marines for 3 1/2.

I'll call you shortly.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 07:36 PM

Ahh FMF huh?? Good shit man! Thats some hard duty and training they go through. Yeah im an avation electronics technician and worked on P3's most my time. Im an E 5 with 5 1/2 years in. Im going to stop talking and let the people with fiberglass holla out here nick!!!

lowandslow91 · 03-29-2006, 07:42 PM

how come none of the pitcures don;t work anymore

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 07:45 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

Ahh FMF huh?? Good shit man! Thats some hard duty and training they go through. Yeah im an avation electronics technician and worked on P3's most my time. Im an E 5 with 5 1/2 years in. Im going to stop talking and let the people with fiberglass holla out here nick!!!

Double No Shit. I was stationed at NAS WillowGrove, PA. We had the VP 64 and 66 P3 squadrons there. I worked hand in hand with the squadron corpsman. I too was E5 when I left.

vio0633 · 03-29-2006, 07:58 PM

You worked with the TAR squadrons as a corpsman. The corpsman in my last squadron didnt do shit but give shots and hear people complain why when they pee it burns...LOL.

NickZigaitis · 03-29-2006, 08:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633

You worked with the TAR squadrons as a corpsman. The corpsman in my last squadron didnt do shit but give shots and hear people complain why when they pee it burns...LOL.

Yep. The guys I knew were cool. I worked aviation medicine with them as a liason. Yep, did everything from fly the P3 to London a short part of the way to giving shots to picking up pilots out of the wood when we had an airshow with a F14 that decided to kiss the deck rather than fly. Shit, that was messy. Grew up real quick after that. Then I went Green side with the Marines and grew up even more.

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03-22-2006, 08:32 AM	#601
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by N-Man i didnt feel like reading all these pages, so excuse me if this has been asked b4 but... can somethin similar to this be done in a 97? If so, anyone got pics?? Yes. It can be done. No, I don't have pics, but yes, I have done it. Search the forum. I stumble across pics of others doing this type of mod on occassion.
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03-24-2006, 08:03 AM	#602
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) HRM... got any new stuff to show us fiberglass whores?
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03-24-2006, 09:22 AM	#603
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER HRM... got any new stuff to show us fiberglass whores? Good morning homie. I'll be dropping off that Aluminum plate for the tanks this weekend. As far as glassing goes.....I get off at 3 and then I'm going home to finish the glass in the goose neck of the sub box and then going like a wild man with the bondo and sanding work. I'm guess I might have about 90% of the surface prep for paint completed by the end of the weekend. Next weekend, I'll start the new dash bezel and TV install, glass it, and maybe even bondo it next weekend. lol, I've done so many that each time I get quicker and quicker. I'm so ready for this interior to be done. About another month and it will. Then its time to pull the bed off and go to town on it........this time with a welder.
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03-24-2006, 09:24 AM	#604
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately.
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03-24-2006, 12:58 PM	#605
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) sweetness.. All sounds good to me
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03-24-2006, 08:33 PM	#606
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,892 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately. awesome awesome... and sorry i havent gotten those measurements to you yet, im too lazy and its been cold here so that doesnt help any either... ill do it soon cause my taxes are back so its time to start ordering parts!
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03-27-2006, 02:29 PM	#607
jherrell SLASH - S.I.C. St. Louis Age: 35 Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,891 Location: Shiloh, IL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis I'll try to have some progress pics up also. If my damn camara doesn't act all weird again. Thats why I havn't has any pics up lately. so, anything new? We still need to hook up one of these evenings/weekends. Been way too busy. Hey did you get to look at the STL group posts on STL Welders... Switches posted up some info, don't know if you spoke with him yet or not... Peace -slash
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03-28-2006, 11:53 AM	#608
Pestilence Gone Fisting! Age: 25 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 669 Location: Somers,CT User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) I can't wait i want to do something like this on my 95' should be fun.
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03-28-2006, 04:24 PM	#609
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Good morning homie. I'll be dropping off that Aluminum plate for the tanks this weekend. As far as glassing goes.....I get off at 3 and then I'm going home to finish the glass in the goose neck of the sub box and then going like a wild man with the bondo and sanding work. I'm guess I might have about 90% of the surface prep for paint completed by the end of the weekend. Next weekend, I'll start the new dash bezel and TV install, glass it, and maybe even bondo it next weekend. lol, I've done so many that each time I get quicker and quicker. I'm so ready for this interior to be done. About another month and it will. Then its time to pull the bed off and go to town on it........this time with a welder. Nick...I dont know if you have ever heard of this product but its absoultly amazing. Its called slick sand which is a high filler primer that can be broken down with 320 grit paper. It will fill everything from 1/8" low. Its an evercoat product and I used it on my panels. I had some pits and alot of work...but when I sprayed this stuff and sanded it quick with some 400 it came out fukin smooth as hell. A friend of mine who is a pro recomended I used this..I was so upset cause I feel that I did way to much work for this. But like I say...if you have the right tools then the job gets done quicker and easier. Do a search and take a look at this stuff called slick sand. Its cool as hell!
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03-28-2006, 04:39 PM	#610
BIGGERISBETTER flat blue and layin frame Age: 24 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,885 Location: Bolivar, Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) His account is all jacked up again guys.. They are working to resolve it..
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03-28-2006, 04:51 PM	#611
Chappy316 SOLD! Age: 23 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,892 Location: Cedar Point Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by BIGGERISBETTER His account is all jacked up again guys.. They are working to resolve it.. was starting to wonder... he usually updated us on sunday or monday after he got done with a full weekend of work but he hasnt posted in quite some time now, atleast not in here...
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03-29-2006, 08:32 AM	#612
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm Back!! Wooot! God damn this is getting rediculous. Said my e-mail was invalid and it was right all along. Anyway, I took pics but the progress really isn't to die for. Just sanding andf shaping the box like I've done with everything on this thread. Nothing new. Vio0633, PM me. I want to know everything about this Slick Sand stuff. If for instance I sanded the shit out of the plastic pieces and there was the slightest grain still in it, would this stiff cover it? Do they sell in in quart size verses a gallon?,,,etc. I want to know everything cause if it is what you say it is, I'll pic up a quart and give it a try. Its a polyester base, I know that so it has a MEKL hardner for it. I have never worked with paints or mixing paints. Only resin and epoxy. With paints that require MEK hardner, how do you apply the hardner? In drops like with resin from a small tube? What happens if a couple drops extra get mixed into the primer, will it cure really damn fast like resin? Also, my biggest worry is that I just bought a new gun. I've never shot it nor shot paint through a gun but i was gonna give it a try on this sub box I've been working on. Especially when it came to the clear coat. I don't want to sieze the gun with paint that hardened inside it. I guess my question is, with paints that require MEK, is there a science behind it when mixing in warm humid climates verses colder climates like with resin. i.e. more drops of MEK in the winter months when cold verses less drops in the summer when hot. I need to pick your brain on this cause you have recent experience with it. I also want you to grill your Pro-painter partner over there as far as some of these questions, if you wouldn't mind. Can you PM me a pic of your door panels. 1 pic of the non-slick sand primer and one with the primer. I want to see difference. Thanks
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03-29-2006, 09:01 AM	#613
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) I just wanted to thank all those who have viewed this thread for information. I hope it has been helpful for you all and that you learned something. I always learn from others with regards to glassing and a number of other aspects. So don't take my word for gospel. Add this info the the info gathered from others who glass and you'll be a better, more overall knowledgeable person with regards to glassing. 18000+ hits is humbling. I never would have imagined that kind of response. Awesome. Hell, its been averaging 1000+ hits every 2 weeks. I bet 20K+ by June. Weird, never would have thought.
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03-29-2006, 04:40 PM	#614
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm Back!! Wooot! God damn this is getting rediculous. Said my e-mail was invalid and it was right all along. Anyway, I took pics but the progress really isn't to die for. Just sanding andf shaping the box like I've done with everything on this thread. Nothing new. Vio0633, PM me. I want to know everything about this Slick Sand stuff. If for instance I sanded the shit out of the plastic pieces and there was the slightest grain still in it, would this stiff cover it? Do they sell in in quart size verses a gallon?,,,etc. I want to know everything cause if it is what you say it is, I'll pic up a quart and give it a try. Its a polyester base, I know that so it has a MEKL hardner for it. I have never worked with paints or mixing paints. Only resin and epoxy. With paints that require MEK hardner, how do you apply the hardner? In drops like with resin from a small tube? What happens if a couple drops extra get mixed into the primer, will it cure really damn fast like resin? Also, my biggest worry is that I just bought a new gun. I've never shot it nor shot paint through a gun but i was gonna give it a try on this sub box I've been working on. Especially when it came to the clear coat. I don't want to sieze the gun with paint that hardened inside it. I guess my question is, with paints that require MEK, is there a science behind it when mixing in warm humid climates verses colder climates like with resin. i.e. more drops of MEK in the winter months when cold verses less drops in the summer when hot. I need to pick your brain on this cause you have recent experience with it. I also want you to grill your Pro-painter partner over there as far as some of these questions, if you wouldn't mind. Can you PM me a pic of your door panels. 1 pic of the non-slick sand primer and one with the primer. I want to see difference. Thanks OK I will try and answer all your questions nick. Slick sand is a high filler primer. It is 2 part and smells like fiberglass. It filled my panel holes that had the pits in them that were low of about 1/8 inch. Its asouloutly amazing man. Its hard to explain...but its like a spray on filler and primer that goes on smooth and fills everything in and also adheres to fiberglass very well. Take a look at google. Look up Slick sand made by evercoat. Please nick...get some of this stuff and try it out. Im telling you now....NO MORE FILLERS ARE NEEDED! This stuff is a filler and can be sanded with 320 or 400 grit. You can take a piece that you would think would take a month to sand...and do it all in one day with an exceptional finish.
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03-29-2006, 04:54 PM	#615
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) It does require you the use of a hardner to add to it. If you buy a paint can you can have it measure right for a good mixture. I will get as many picts as I can get. The picture with the light weight filler and kitty hair was sprayed once and was VERY close to perfect. I was so upset...cause I did all this work and thought I had so much more to do but in reality...with the right tools and knowledge I was able to do the job right in 1/2 the time. I will talk to him and see if he can chime in. To give an example on how well this fills...I took my power window switch armrest out right...well scuffed the paint and it had the texture still in it. Sprayed 1 coat of slick sand on it and bam....it all went away. This shit is the bomb...I hope you reccomend this out to everyone and maybe help people out with the use of this nick. Again...please get some of this stuff bro.
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03-29-2006, 04:56 PM	#616
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) It is thick product. I think he had to take the plastic piece out in his gun to make it work. When we were spraying it....if it got to thick it was the hardner making the solution alot harder...kinda like fiberglass. You just have to know how much hardner and filler you have to use. If you get some...the instructions should help you out nick.
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03-29-2006, 04:59 PM	#617
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Here is a picture of what he did in a F150. Thsi truck was in spring fling 06. He made 30K on this install and build up...and yes he did use slick sand on it. http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg
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03-29-2006, 05:08 PM	#618
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Here is a picture of what he did in a F150. Thsi truck was in spring fling 06. He made 30K on this install and build up...and yes he did use slick sand on it. http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg I think you're gonna piss yourself if I don't use it, lol. Actually, I called a local supplier I use. They can get Slick Sand in quart size for $18.00. It uses an MEK hardner that can be measured and adjusted in cure rate like resin and hardner drops. It is thick. The painter I talked to said that you need a 2.0 of larger tip on the gun to shoot it. The supplier I use has a gun meant for shooting paints that thick for $30.00. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY, Vio. Don't worry. If this stuff is what you say it is. I might resand, reprime (with Slick Sand) repaint and reclear everything I've done to ensure uniformity in part texture and quality. How far does a quart go? Could I shoot my sub box with a quart and have some left over?
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03-29-2006, 05:10 PM	#619
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...6/100_2841.jpg Fvck-ola. I'm convinced. I'm trying it. Good find. Great work on this. You may have just saved my wrist from all the super hardcore sanding and filling. My freak'n hand still goes numb.
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03-29-2006, 05:15 PM	#620
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Yeah you will be fine as far as a quart. I use about 1 quart for my door panels and had 2 coats. Im sorry for beign so excited...I never thought that the ease of this stuff could make a piece look so good and be so simple to use nick. Yes it is thick and your absoulutly right on the use of drops to the filler to make it harden up and cure right. When you resand and use the slick sand...sand it with some 400 grit or higher...it will need to be sanded but when you do and its all done its going to be badass.
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03-29-2006, 05:17 PM	#621
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by NickZigaitis Fvck-ola. I'm convinced. I'm trying it. Good find. Great work on this. You may have just saved my wrist from all the super hardcore sanding and filling. My freak'n hand still goes numb. My hand was numb...now It doesnt go numb any more and I can still rub one out at night!! J/K
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03-29-2006, 06:09 PM	#622
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 My hand was numb...now It doesnt go numb any more and I can still rub one out at night!! J/K Ahhh, hell, rubbing one out for me is harder now-a-days. Haaaaa, J/k,.............no really, it is, lol I'm gonna try it. If its shit, I'm coming after you. Just playing. What gun did you use? I read your profile. Said your occupation was military. What branch?
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03-29-2006, 06:30 PM	#623
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Im in the Navy. What size gun I dont know exactly what size it is...I will have to get back to you on that. Im going to PM u my number bro...holla at me if you have any questions. Dont call me when your hand is numb and your rubbing one out...LOL...J/K If you want nick....go ahead and try it on a practice piece so you can get the feel of it right and you get practice on the right mixture bro. Last edited by vio0633 : 03-29-2006 at 06:37 PM.
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03-29-2006, 06:43 PM	#624
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Im in the Navy. What size gun I dont know exactly what size it is...I will have to get back to you on that. Im going to PM u my number bro...holla at me if you have any questions. Dont call me when your hand is numb and your rubbing one out...LOL...J/K If you want nick....go ahead and try it on a practice piece so you can get the feel of it right and you get practice on the right mixture bro. No shit. I was Navy. 6 1/2years. I was a Corpsman. Was Blue side with the Navy for 3 years and Green side with the Marines for 3 1/2. I'll call you shortly.
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03-29-2006, 07:36 PM	#625
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Ahh FMF huh?? Good shit man! Thats some hard duty and training they go through. Yeah im an avation electronics technician and worked on P3's most my time. Im an E 5 with 5 1/2 years in. Im going to stop talking and let the people with fiberglass holla out here nick!!!
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03-29-2006, 07:42 PM	#626
lowandslow91 Hello Betsy Age: 25 Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 899 Location: Omaha User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) how come none of the pitcures don;t work anymore
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03-29-2006, 07:45 PM	#627
NickZigaitis I Like Fire....HaHaHa Age: 78 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,693 Location: God Damn Garage, STL User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) Quote: Originally Posted by vio0633 Ahh FMF huh?? Good shit man! Thats some hard duty and training they go through. Yeah im an avation electronics technician and worked on P3's most my time. Im an E 5 with 5 1/2 years in. Im going to stop talking and let the people with fiberglass holla out here nick!!! Double No Shit. I was stationed at NAS WillowGrove, PA. We had the VP 64 and 66 P3 squadrons there. I worked hand in hand with the squadron corpsman. I too was E5 when I left.
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03-29-2006, 07:58 PM	#628
vio0633 SIC FL Chapter prez Age: 27 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,945 Location: Pensacola, Florida User is: OffLine	Re: Teaching Fiberglass (part one and two) You worked with the TAR squadrons as a corpsman. The corpsman in my last squadron didnt do shit but give shots and hear people complain why when they pee it burns...LOL.
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