woot!

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 12:58 AM

just got my copy of solid works today

. my brother and i are probably going to start programming parts for the 4x4 s10 market. from the sounds of it, its really going to happen soon. hopefully in a few months, there will be a new vendor for the serious s10 guys.

~~sws10~~ · 12-19-2007, 01:00 AM

yaaaaaaaaaay

Onimun · 12-19-2007, 02:09 AM

Will you sell to druggies?

What are you thinking about making? I could use some skidplates...

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 02:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Onimun

Will you sell to druggies?

What are you thinking about making? I could use some skidplates...

stuff like sfa crossmembers, shackles that dont cost $80, etc. we havent thought of everything yet, but those will be the first two on the list.

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 03:19 AM

this is a rough draft

BatwingZ · 12-19-2007, 06:16 AM

yayyeaaa

... Hopefully all works well for ya bro... Id like to see more out there for our Trucks... Dont forget us ZR2 guys too...LOL...

GeorgesBlazah · 12-19-2007, 10:49 AM

mmmm SFA crossmember

Tim99Zr2 · 12-19-2007, 01:09 PM

your a lil too late for SFA crossmember.. i just ordered my steel today.

ooorrr.. what am i talking about? ill NEVER do a SAS .. cough cough

02ZQ · 12-19-2007, 01:40 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

this is a rough draft

Sweet,can't wait Don.

Daveman2 · 12-19-2007, 01:41 PM

want to make lowered 4X4 parts? lol

02ZQ · 12-19-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Daveman2

want to make lowered 4X4 parts? lol

greencactus3 · 12-19-2007, 01:52 PM

nice!

~~sws10~~ · 12-19-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Daveman2

want to make lowered 4X4 parts? lol

werd qft X2

Baggey22 · 12-19-2007, 02:05 PM

I think you should wait to make ZR2 parts since Synergy Offroad mostly makes ZR2 parts.
j/k can't wait to see what you have to offer!

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 03:14 PM

i am open to suggestion to a point. what could i make for lowered s10's? i dont really know anything about them. if you wanted to throw out some ideas i would try though. and what could i make that would be zr2 specific?

our goal is to make kits and parts that are cheaper and better than buying "lift kits" for these trucks. and for the sfa crossmember, we are going to try and make one that doesnt require any tools other than a drill, something that works without removing or destroying any mounts for the original suspension, so you could take it back to stock if you wanted to. plus it will have a lot of other cool features.

when we are done building my s10, there will probably be another one going right into the garage to be the guinea pig.

02ZQ · 12-19-2007, 04:53 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

i am open to suggestion to a point. what could i make for lowered s10's? i dont really know anything about them. if you wanted to throw out some ideas i would try though. and what could i make that would be zr2 specific?

our goal is to make kits and parts that are cheaper and better than buying "lift kits" for these trucks. and for the sfa crossmember, we are going to try and make one that doesnt require any tools other than a drill, something that works without removing or destroying any mounts for the original suspension, so you could take it back to stock if you wanted to. plus it will have a lot of other cool features.

when we are done building my s10, there will probably be another one going right into the garage to be the guinea pig.

How bout some brackets to lift the back bumper up with body lift kits,always hated that gap back there and maybe front also,I know some of the cheap BL kits don't have them for the front.

yfzracr89 · 12-19-2007, 05:05 PM

bumpers of anykind!! haha front or rear

they are none exsitant, the only one i found was almost $800 before shipping

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 02ZQ

How bout some brackets to lift the back bumper up with body lift kits,always hated that gap back there and maybe front also,I know some of the cheap BL kits don't have them for the front.

probably wont go there, but we will see.

as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc.

19914x4blazer · 12-19-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

probably wont go there, but we will see.

as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc.

what is that a sami that looks sweet

02ZQ · 12-19-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

probably wont go there, but we will see.

as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc.

Well just a suggestion,no one makes them and I think people would buy them,not everyone can make their own.Anyway good luck with the new endeavor.

SandBlastedS10 · 12-19-2007, 06:55 PM

How about some K5 Blazer shackles?

AmosM823 · 12-19-2007, 07:06 PM

Wow man sounds awesome!

02ZQ · 12-19-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by AmosM823

Wow man sounds awesome!

Maybe you'll finally get some shackles.

crazy91s10 · 12-19-2007, 08:15 PM

i need a full set of skids for my firstgen

-front diff, tranny/t-case, and gas tank

haro2289 · 12-19-2007, 08:20 PM

Yeh pretty much the same as crazy91 i need some skids, thats awesome though can't wait to see what you think of making.

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 09:59 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by SandBlastedS10

How about some K5 Blazer shackles?

yeah that wouldnt be hard, front or rear?

***Donahue*** · 12-19-2007, 10:06 PM

why does everyone want skid plates? im sure a gas tank one would be good, better than the plastic one that comes stock. for the t-case, i will need to make a new crossmember for the sfa kits, that has clearance for the front driveline. i could incorporate a skid into that. we will see about the front diff, we will mostly be aiming at solid axle stuff. but if ive got the time and people want stuff, i can probably make just about anything.

im not sure what anything will cost at this point, we have to run that by the big bosses.

BatwingZ · 12-19-2007, 10:32 PM

I vote Bumpers my friend!!!...I totally would dig an HD bumper.. but not for the money alot of ppl are asking for them...

SandBlastedS10 · 12-19-2007, 11:10 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

yeah that wouldnt be hard, front or rear?

Both, so I can get my 39.5's to fit better on my Blazer.

***Donahue*** · 12-20-2007, 01:22 AM

well, longer rear shackles on a k5 would lower it because it is a tension style stock. i would suggest better springs on a full size for lift. but i will see what i can come up with.

this is a rough draft of a sfa crossmember using leafs

AceHaag · 12-20-2007, 01:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by SandBlastedS10

Both, so I can get my 39.5's to fit better on my Blazer.

you can do a shackle flip in the rear to get a couple of inches of lift

***Donahue*** · 12-20-2007, 01:24 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by AceHaag

you can do a shackle flip in the rear to get a couple of inches of lift

yeah, the standard shackle flip nets about 4"

Tim99Zr2 · 12-20-2007, 10:17 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

well, longer rear shackles on a k5 would lower it because it is a tension style stock. i would suggest better springs on a full size for lift. but i will see what i can come up with.

this is a rough draft of a sfa crossmember using leafs

how wide are you making that? 31"?

***Donahue*** · 12-20-2007, 12:32 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

how wide are you making that? 31"?

the plan is to make it work with several widths.

Tim99Zr2 · 12-20-2007, 12:49 PM

i see.. i think mine needs to be about 31-32 inches. i got a piece of 3x3x.25x36" today.

***Donahue*** · 12-20-2007, 02:17 PM

yeah, 70's ford and 73-87 chevy are 31.5" spring width. i want to make something that will work with all the most common setups. i am thinking full size chevy/ford, waggy 44, and then a d30, and sua or soa depending on what ever the preference is. i would also like to accommodate common springs used, like a set of stock s10 springs, possibly some 52"/56" chevy rear springs, or 53" ford rear springs. i also hear waggy springs are popular. my goal is to make everything 100% bolt on, but still stout as hell. i dont know how i can get around not welding rear perches on though, still working on that one.

s10sixteynine · 12-20-2007, 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 02ZQ

Well just a suggestion,no one makes them and I think people would buy them,not everyone can make their own.Anyway good luck with the new endeavor.

ok dont ask because i have no idea where they came from but they do make lift brackets for the rear bumpers, my zr2 has a 2in body and the bumper is lifted and it isnt something someone made it is a stamed piece, but it was on there when i bought it

***Donahue*** · 12-20-2007, 10:34 PM

i probably will end up making stuff like that. it would be too easy to pass up. i just need to get access to unmolested s10's. i will probably be getting another blazer and pickup, both first gen. the pickup is 2wd and the blazer is 4wd. hopefully i can make some stuff that will make the 2wd guys just as convert to 4wd somewhat easily. i need to strip them down to the frame though, and compare and see what is the same and what is different between the two frames. then i will need to get a second gen to see if what i will be making will fit them too.

GeorgesBlazah · 12-21-2007, 12:42 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

this is a rough draft of a sfa crossmember using leafs

MMMMMMMMM

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 05:35 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by GeorgesBlazah

MMMMMMMMM

how about one that has room for a winch below the core support, behind the bumper?

Tim99Zr2 · 12-21-2007, 10:11 AM

that'll make alotta lift!

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 01:26 PM

yeah, i think i want to make one with, and one without

mullet9675 · 12-21-2007, 03:04 PM

alright bring on the bolt on SAS

19914x4blazer · 12-21-2007, 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

how about one that has room for a winch below the core support, behind the bumper?

I will take one with room for a winch

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 03:16 PM

i just redid that one, to give it less lift. and i just did one without the mich mount, that sits a lot higher, meaning less lift.

the winch one has a drop of 5.5" from the frame rail, and the non winch one has a drop of just 2".

tell me, do you think this is a viable product? do you like the design? this question is for anybody.

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 03:17 PM

forgot the pics

Tim99Zr2 · 12-21-2007, 03:28 PM

on your outside flanges, where it bolts to the frame. you need to notch it for the body mount. other than that. looks great!

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

on your outside flanges, where it bolts to the frame. you need to notch it for the body mount. other than that. looks great!

yeah, those will change as specific measurements get added. that is that last part that is still not measured or figured out, dont worry though, i wont forget

***Donahue*** · 12-21-2007, 04:33 PM

would a bumper, or bumpers like this please anyone?

Baggey22 · 12-21-2007, 04:37 PM

yes^

12-19-2007, 12:58 AM	#1
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	woot! just got my copy of solid works today. my brother and i are probably going to start programming parts for the 4x4 s10 market. from the sounds of it, its really going to happen soon. hopefully in a few months, there will be a new vendor for the serious s10 guys.
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12-19-2007, 01:00 AM	#2
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12-19-2007, 02:09 AM	#3
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12-19-2007, 02:15 AM	#4
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Onimun Will you sell to druggies? What are you thinking about making? I could use some skidplates... stuff like sfa crossmembers, shackles that dont cost $80, etc. we havent thought of everything yet, but those will be the first two on the list.
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12-19-2007, 03:19 AM	#5
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! this is a rough draft Last edited by Donahue; 03-13-2008 at 01:00 AM.
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12-19-2007, 06:16 AM	#6
BatwingZ 100% A-hole Age: 26 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 246 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: woot! yayyeaaa ... Hopefully all works well for ya bro... Id like to see more out there for our Trucks... Dont forget us ZR2 guys too...LOL...
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12-19-2007, 10:49 AM	#7
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12-19-2007, 01:40 PM	#9
02ZQ WTF? Age: 36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 610 Location: BFE,FL User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue this is a rough draft Sweet,can't wait Don.
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12-19-2007, 01:41 PM	#10
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12-19-2007, 03:14 PM	#15
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! i am open to suggestion to a point. what could i make for lowered s10's? i dont really know anything about them. if you wanted to throw out some ideas i would try though. and what could i make that would be zr2 specific? our goal is to make kits and parts that are cheaper and better than buying "lift kits" for these trucks. and for the sfa crossmember, we are going to try and make one that doesnt require any tools other than a drill, something that works without removing or destroying any mounts for the original suspension, so you could take it back to stock if you wanted to. plus it will have a lot of other cool features. when we are done building my s10, there will probably be another one going right into the garage to be the guinea pig.
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12-19-2007, 04:53 PM	#16
02ZQ WTF? Age: 36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 610 Location: BFE,FL User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue i am open to suggestion to a point. what could i make for lowered s10's? i dont really know anything about them. if you wanted to throw out some ideas i would try though. and what could i make that would be zr2 specific? our goal is to make kits and parts that are cheaper and better than buying "lift kits" for these trucks. and for the sfa crossmember, we are going to try and make one that doesnt require any tools other than a drill, something that works without removing or destroying any mounts for the original suspension, so you could take it back to stock if you wanted to. plus it will have a lot of other cool features. when we are done building my s10, there will probably be another one going right into the garage to be the guinea pig. How bout some brackets to lift the back bumper up with body lift kits,always hated that gap back there and maybe front also,I know some of the cheap BL kits don't have them for the front.
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yfzracr89 Registered User Age: 23 Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 377 Location: Northern Virginia User is: OffLine	Re: woot! bumpers of anykind!! haha front or rear they are none exsitant, the only one i found was almost $800 before shipping
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12-19-2007, 05:36 PM	#18
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by 02ZQ How bout some brackets to lift the back bumper up with body lift kits,always hated that gap back there and maybe front also,I know some of the cheap BL kits don't have them for the front. probably wont go there, but we will see. as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc.
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12-19-2007, 05:39 PM	#19
19914x4blazer i love my chevy Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 328 Location: davisburg,mi User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue probably wont go there, but we will see. as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc. what is that a sami that looks sweet
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12-19-2007, 06:28 PM	#20
02ZQ WTF? Age: 36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 610 Location: BFE,FL User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue probably wont go there, but we will see. as for bumpers, i could definitely do that. perhaps something similar to my brothers. its has holes for lights and a receiver, etc. Well just a suggestion,no one makes them and I think people would buy them,not everyone can make their own.Anyway good luck with the new endeavor.
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12-19-2007, 06:55 PM	#21
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12-19-2007, 07:06 PM	#22
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12-19-2007, 07:34 PM	#23
02ZQ WTF? Age: 36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 610 Location: BFE,FL User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by AmosM823 Wow man sounds awesome! Maybe you'll finally get some shackles.
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12-19-2007, 08:15 PM	#24
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12-19-2007, 08:20 PM	#25
haro2289 Sittin' Low....For Now Age: 23 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 485 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Yeh pretty much the same as crazy91 i need some skids, thats awesome though can't wait to see what you think of making.
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12-19-2007, 09:59 PM	#26
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by SandBlastedS10 How about some K5 Blazer shackles? yeah that wouldnt be hard, front or rear?
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12-19-2007, 10:06 PM	#27
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! why does everyone want skid plates? im sure a gas tank one would be good, better than the plastic one that comes stock. for the t-case, i will need to make a new crossmember for the sfa kits, that has clearance for the front driveline. i could incorporate a skid into that. we will see about the front diff, we will mostly be aiming at solid axle stuff. but if ive got the time and people want stuff, i can probably make just about anything. im not sure what anything will cost at this point, we have to run that by the big bosses.
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12-19-2007, 10:32 PM	#28
BatwingZ 100% A-hole Age: 26 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 246 Location: Ohio User is: OffLine	Re: woot! I vote Bumpers my friend!!!...I totally would dig an HD bumper.. but not for the money alot of ppl are asking for them...
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12-19-2007, 11:10 PM	#29
SandBlastedS10 Registered User Age: 28 Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 124 Location: Oregon User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue yeah that wouldnt be hard, front or rear? Both, so I can get my 39.5's to fit better on my Blazer.
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12-20-2007, 01:22 AM	#30
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! well, longer rear shackles on a k5 would lower it because it is a tension style stock. i would suggest better springs on a full size for lift. but i will see what i can come up with. this is a rough draft of a sfa crossmember using leafs Last edited by Donahue; 03-13-2008 at 01:00 AM.
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12-20-2007, 01:24 AM	#31
AceHaag Call me Mario, Princess Age: 31 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,403 Location: Elk River, Minnesota User is: Online	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by SandBlastedS10 Both, so I can get my 39.5's to fit better on my Blazer. you can do a shackle flip in the rear to get a couple of inches of lift
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12-20-2007, 10:17 AM	#33
Tim99Zr2 **** New Jersey Age: 25 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,321 Location: Reynoldsville, PA User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue well, longer rear shackles on a k5 would lower it because it is a tension style stock. i would suggest better springs on a full size for lift. but i will see what i can come up with. this is a rough draft of a sfa crossmember using leafs how wide are you making that? 31"?
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12-20-2007, 12:32 PM	#34
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2 how wide are you making that? 31"? the plan is to make it work with several widths.
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12-20-2007, 12:49 PM	#35
Tim99Zr2 **** New Jersey Age: 25 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 8,321 Location: Reynoldsville, PA User is: OffLine	Re: woot! i see.. i think mine needs to be about 31-32 inches. i got a piece of 3x3x.25x36" today.
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12-20-2007, 02:17 PM	#36
*Donahue* 3 Leaf Fab Age: 29 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,885 Location: Eugene, OR User is: OffLine	Re: woot! yeah, 70's ford and 73-87 chevy are 31.5" spring width. i want to make something that will work with all the most common setups. i am thinking full size chevy/ford, waggy 44, and then a d30, and sua or soa depending on what ever the preference is. i would also like to accommodate common springs used, like a set of stock s10 springs, possibly some 52"/56" chevy rear springs, or 53" ford rear springs. i also hear waggy springs are popular. my goal is to make everything 100% bolt on, but still stout as hell. i dont know how i can get around not welding rear perches on though, still working on that one.
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