SFA Spring issue/curse...need help

Missourileo · 09-27-2009, 06:33 PM

I fabbed up and installed my spring mount for the rear of the front this weekend and I was so amped up to get it off of the jack stands. When i did, here's what happened. Any ideas or help would be a blessing right about now.

Here is the mount....

Here is the mount and bracket.....

Driver's side off the stands

Passenger side

Help?

96superflow · 09-27-2009, 07:00 PM

your mount is WAYYYYYYYY to far foreward. Depending upon where you mounted your cross member up front, Mine is as far foreward as it can be, and my mount is a lil bit farther foreward than the body mount. Here are some pics of mine. You have to fab up a mount because its narrower than the frame rails.

Ignore the very ugly welds..... they have all been redone. the eye measures 45" from the front spring mount.

BillaksBlazer · 09-27-2009, 07:17 PM

like said above your mounts are way too far foward, second you dont want your mounts that far off the frame or you will tear the metal with all the force being applied

DieselS10 · 09-27-2009, 11:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer

like said above your mounts are way too far foward, second you dont want your mounts that far off the frame or you will tear the metal with all the force being applied

X2, that is way to much stress on that small area of the frame. It will fix though!

What springs are you using?

wrekd · 09-28-2009, 12:10 AM

Holy shit!!

Thats awesome

But yeah, ^^^ What those guys said.

And heres a few pics of mine to help also

BuzzerPB · 09-28-2009, 07:43 AM

X3..heres mine

Missourileo · 09-28-2009, 04:21 PM

So, it looks like I have a lot of cutting and grinding to do. I can see the mount should be back behind the body mounts right? I thought I was close, but no dice here. My measurement from the front bracket to the mount was 35". I can see where 1' would have made all the difference in the world. In order to move it back 1', I'll have to fab up a mounting "platform won't I? I'm using 93 Jeep Cherokee springs from Rancho, 3" lift.
Thanks for your help fellas.

96superflow · 09-28-2009, 08:58 PM

hang on man. how long are your leaf springs? the rancho 44044s are i believe 47". i set mine at 45, and its perfect.

jonb8 · 09-28-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow

your mount is WAYYYYYYYY to far foreward. Depending upon where you mounted your cross member up front, Mine is as far foreward as it can be, and my mount is a lil bit farther foreward than the body mount. Here are some pics of mine. You have to fab up a mount because its narrower than the frame rails.

Ignore the very ugly welds..... they have all been redone. the eye measures 45" from the front spring mount.

Is that 45" from center of (from spring mount hole) to center of the shackle hole?, or front of shackle bracket?

96superflow · 09-29-2009, 05:42 AM

It from the center of the front spring hanger hole to the rear shackle hole. If you look, you can see my markings on the the frame. one side sharpie other side i scratched it with an awl.

jonb8 · 09-29-2009, 05:55 AM

Thanks superflow,

Missourileo · 09-29-2009, 07:09 AM

I'll take the measurements tonight and get back with you guys.

96superflow · 09-29-2009, 03:34 PM

No problemo

Missourileo · 09-29-2009, 08:13 PM

Okay, measurements are as follows.........36 24 26..........no, that's not right....lol. Spring length is 43.5 center eye to center eye. From the center of the front mount to the center of the rear mount is 38", my spring hanger is 10"(Which needs to be replaced anyway). Hope that answers any questions.

96superflow · 09-30-2009, 11:12 AM

are you using the rancho 44044s? it looks like it from your pics. If you are, set your shackle eye to exactly 45" from the front and you will have a good shackle angle. I believe when they flatten out they are a 47" leaf spring.

Missourileo · 09-30-2009, 02:57 PM

Sounds good, I'll try it this weekend.

pjg1173 · 09-30-2009, 05:31 PM

wow looks like most everyone has used the same design for shackle mounts... just a suggestion before you go to putting a heap of weld back on the mounts, just tack them on and put weight on the suspension. Leaving the jack stands just under the frame to catch it if the tack breaks. This will give you a good idea where your shackle angle will be. If its not right cut a couple of tacks and move it and try again. Saves alot of work in the long run. It is supprizing how much a couple of tacks will hold. It is hard to say exactly where to put them as every vehicle is diffent (spring angle, shackle length, extra weight added to front, 4cyl, 6 cyl, ect.

Missourileo · 10-01-2009, 07:15 AM

I completely agree with that logic. I will be doing that when I remount, for sure.

09-27-2009, 06:33 PM	#1
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	SFA Spring issue/curse...need help I fabbed up and installed my spring mount for the rear of the front this weekend and I was so amped up to get it off of the jack stands. When i did, here's what happened. Any ideas or help would be a blessing right about now. Here is the mount.... Here is the mount and bracket..... Driver's side off the stands Passenger side Help?
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09-27-2009, 07:00 PM	#2
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,367 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help your mount is WAYYYYYYYY to far foreward. Depending upon where you mounted your cross member up front, Mine is as far foreward as it can be, and my mount is a lil bit farther foreward than the body mount. Here are some pics of mine. You have to fab up a mount because its narrower than the frame rails. Ignore the very ugly welds..... they have all been redone. the eye measures 45" from the front spring mount. Last edited by 96superflow : 09-27-2009 at 07:06 PM.
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09-27-2009, 07:17 PM	#3
BillaksBlazer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 839 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help like said above your mounts are way too far foward, second you dont want your mounts that far off the frame or you will tear the metal with all the force being applied
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09-27-2009, 11:03 PM	#4
DieselS10 Slightly Over Built Age: 36 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,619 Location: Chelsea, OK User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer like said above your mounts are way too far foward, second you dont want your mounts that far off the frame or you will tear the metal with all the force being applied X2, that is way to much stress on that small area of the frame. It will fix though! What springs are you using?
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09-28-2009, 12:10 AM	#5
wrekd Registered User Age: 26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,249 Location: Sugar Notch, PA User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Holy shit!! Thats awesome But yeah, ^^^ What those guys said. And heres a few pics of mine to help also
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09-28-2009, 07:43 AM	#6
BuzzerPB Registered User Age: 34 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 353 Location: Milwaukie, Or User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help X3..heres mine
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09-28-2009, 04:21 PM	#7
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help So, it looks like I have a lot of cutting and grinding to do. I can see the mount should be back behind the body mounts right? I thought I was close, but no dice here. My measurement from the front bracket to the mount was 35". I can see where 1' would have made all the difference in the world. In order to move it back 1', I'll have to fab up a mounting "platform won't I? I'm using 93 Jeep Cherokee springs from Rancho, 3" lift. Thanks for your help fellas. Last edited by Missourileo : 09-28-2009 at 04:26 PM.
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09-28-2009, 08:58 PM	#8
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,367 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help hang on man. how long are your leaf springs? the rancho 44044s are i believe 47". i set mine at 45, and its perfect.
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09-28-2009, 09:30 PM	#9
jonb8 Registered User Age: 41 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 152 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow your mount is WAYYYYYYYY to far foreward. Depending upon where you mounted your cross member up front, Mine is as far foreward as it can be, and my mount is a lil bit farther foreward than the body mount. Here are some pics of mine. You have to fab up a mount because its narrower than the frame rails. Ignore the very ugly welds..... they have all been redone. the eye measures 45" from the front spring mount. Is that 45" from center of (from spring mount hole) to center of the shackle hole?, or front of shackle bracket?
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09-29-2009, 05:42 AM	#10
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,367 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help It from the center of the front spring hanger hole to the rear shackle hole. If you look, you can see my markings on the the frame. one side sharpie other side i scratched it with an awl.
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09-29-2009, 05:55 AM	#11
jonb8 Registered User Age: 41 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 152 Location: User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Thanks superflow,
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09-29-2009, 07:09 AM	#12
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help I'll take the measurements tonight and get back with you guys.
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09-29-2009, 03:34 PM	#13
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,367 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help No problemo
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09-29-2009, 08:13 PM	#14
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Okay, measurements are as follows.........36 24 26..........no, that's not right....lol. Spring length is 43.5 center eye to center eye. From the center of the front mount to the center of the rear mount is 38", my spring hanger is 10"(Which needs to be replaced anyway). Hope that answers any questions.
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09-30-2009, 11:12 AM	#15
96superflow Registered User Age: 21 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,367 Location: Moyock/Greenville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help are you using the rancho 44044s? it looks like it from your pics. If you are, set your shackle eye to exactly 45" from the front and you will have a good shackle angle. I believe when they flatten out they are a 47" leaf spring.
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09-30-2009, 02:57 PM	#16
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help Sounds good, I'll try it this weekend.
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09-30-2009, 05:31 PM	#17
pjg1173 Registered User Age: 36 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 69 Location: jacksonville, NC User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help wow looks like most everyone has used the same design for shackle mounts... just a suggestion before you go to putting a heap of weld back on the mounts, just tack them on and put weight on the suspension. Leaving the jack stands just under the frame to catch it if the tack breaks. This will give you a good idea where your shackle angle will be. If its not right cut a couple of tacks and move it and try again. Saves alot of work in the long run. It is supprizing how much a couple of tacks will hold. It is hard to say exactly where to put them as every vehicle is diffent (spring angle, shackle length, extra weight added to front, 4cyl, 6 cyl, ect.
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10-01-2009, 07:15 AM	#18
Missourileo Registered User Age: 35 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10 Location: Arnold,Mo User is: OffLine	Re: SFA Spring issue/curse...need help I completely agree with that logic. I will be doing that when I remount, for sure.
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