Sas Info

[DieselS10]

If your going to drive it on the road then your pinion angle isn't what you want to set. Place the perches so that you Caster is correct, not the pinion. If your caster isn't correct it will wonder all over the road and your steering won't return to center. If your driveshaft doesn't like the pinion angle with the caster set properly then you will need to grind the weld off of the knuckles and rotate the pinion up to where you need it then weld the knuckles back on at the proper caster setting. Unless your going for a lot of lift, you not need to worry about the pinion angle.

On the rear, it will depend on whether you use a driveshaft with a CV at the transfer case. Without a CV you will want to set your pinion angle parallel to the output shaft of the transfer case. If you are using a CV, then you can point your pinion just below the tip of the tailshaft to allow for spring wrap.

[96superflow]

ok, very good to know. What should the correct caster angle be about? dealing with the rear, im just planning on using the stock driveshaft, with the slip yoke at the transfer case. Im just going with the sky sas kit, rancho 44044 spring and it will be a sua swap, so its nothing too major.

[DieselS10]

5-7* generally, I like it a little closer to the 7.

And this is tilting the top of the knuckle rearward, just to clarify.

[96superflow]

ok so 5-7* rearward, and just to clarify, that means tilting the pinion shaft toward the ground?

[wrekd]

yep

[Donahue]

i agree with everything said, i always shoot for 6-8* castor. on my axle, with about 6* castor, the pinion angle is almost perfect, pointing almost directly at the t-case. this helps because of the way my suspension it, my pinion travels down a ways when cycling.

i believe that having a high pinion axle helps quite a bit with the pinion angle/castor relationship.

[DieselS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

i believe that having a high pinion axle helps quite a bit with the pinion angle/castor relationship.

Yep, that and multiple transfers.


I had to cut my D44 and rotate the pinion up a mile to get that low pinion axle to get along with my front u-joint with the single T-case. It almost looks funny!

[96superflow]

Thanks yall. Im definitely thinking out as much as i can about it now, before i start cutting into it to make sure i do it right the first time. I know ill have more questions.

[BillaksBlazer]

and dont worry so much. you will redo your work at least 3 times before you somewhat like it. even then you will have things you will want to change

[96superflow]

Well made a first step toward the swap. I just bought the axles i wanted to start with. Its a d30/35 combo thats geared in 4.10. I got both of them for 175, so i def aint complaining. They are out of a TJ so im pretty sure that the d30 is an hp right? atleast im hoping so. It also comes with all the links and and stuff, so my question is, is it too difficult to run a Coil suspension setup? Just a thought.

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow

Well made a first step toward the swap. I just bought the axles i wanted to start with. Its a d30/35 combo thats geared in 4.10. I got both of them for 175, so i def aint complaining. They are out of a TJ so im pretty sure that the d30 is an hp right? atleast im hoping so. It also comes with all the links and and stuff, so my question is, is it too difficult to run a Coil suspension setup? Just a thought.

Scratch that. I just researched it and found out its an lp. there is def no point in buying both of these for just the gears. Somewhere down the road i hope to up grade both the d30 that i have and the 10-bolt that will go in it. 3.73s wont be too awful bad pushing 33's for now. atleast i dont think.

[BillaksBlazer]

3.73 with 33's will be fine. you are right a tj has a lp d30.

[96superflow]

What I just happended to have the extra cash laying around for today. 300 bucks aint bad!!! pics are a lil blurry but they were coming from my phone. Brand New in box with everything

[96superflow]

I may have just found a deal on CL. Its a 77 leaf spring mount d44 hp with 4.10s the guy only wants 250 for, but its missing the stub shaft. is this a good deal? i sent him an email, hopefully he can send me some pics of it so i can post it on here. Thanks guys.

[Donahue]

sounds like a good enough deal

[96superflow]

Scratch that. The guy had them fully dissembled and ready for re-build. I dont want to deal with that quite yet, but i do have a lead on another d30 from an 89 yj. Not sure on the gear ratio yet. It will deff be my decision maker for it. and i know this one has the smaller u-joints and the axle disconnect, so i will more than likely upgrade the shafts with ones out of a newer cherokee from PNP. we shall see. Gonna go look tonight....

[Baggey22]

Ask if the Heep it came out of had ABS. IF it did have ABS it'll have the larger U-joints.

[Tim99Zr2]

damn, how'd you get that deal on the winch!

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Ask if the Heep it came out of had ABS. IF it did have ABS it'll have the larger U-joints.

The Bad part is the guy doesn't know anything about it. Ratio ect. Just that its one he had for back up for his. Is there an easy way to tell? can't look at it today either. He called and said he had class till 9:30. So ill head up there tomorrow. But im gonna order my sky manu swap kit tomorrow morning since my check comes in tonight.

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

damn, how'd you get that deal on the winch!

It was absolute luck. I just ended up having the cash from going to look at a set of axles the night before, and just happened to check CL at the right time and called right away. I think its worth around 1200 or something. donno. I considered trading it for a set of dana 60's or something along those lines.

[wrekd]

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow

Scratch that. The guy had them fully dissembled and ready for re-build. I dont want to deal with that quite yet, but i do have a lead on another d30 from an 89 yj. Not sure on the gear ratio yet. It will deff be my decision maker for it. and i know this one has the smaller u-joints and the axle disconnect, so i will more than likely upgrade the shafts with ones out of a newer cherokee from PNP. we shall see. Gonna go look tonight....

As long as ALL the parts are there, I'd still go for it. Thats one of the better D44's. It has weld on wedges rather than the cast in ones on the 78-79 44's. Parts are cheap as hell for D44's too.

[96superflow]

just ordered the kit from Sky Manu!!!!!!! Can't wait till i can start on this thing!!!!

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

As long as ALL the parts are there, I'd still go for it. Thats one of the better D44's. It has weld on wedges rather than the cast in ones on the 78-79 44's. Parts are cheap as hell for D44's too.

I know that one is one of the best, but i just cant give up the money to afford it right now. Hopefully somewhere down the road i can get a good deal on it or some d60s. I wasn't really planning on running full width either.

[96superflow]

also Just ordered the rancho44044 springs and spring perch for my rear axle!!!!!! Just spent 600 bucks on this stuff! no turning back now!!!! SOLIDIFYING MY FRONTEND FEELS GOOD!!!!!

[96superflow]

I need some input yall. I have this warn 9.5ti winch that i got for a steal, and someone wants to trade me a hpd44 and a ff 14bolt for it. Im not sure about anything else, but i would like to hear what ya'll think. D44 has open dif with 3.54 gears and the 14 bolt has 4.88 with a detroit...... Let me know.....

[wrekd]

Quote: Originally Posted by 96superflow

I need some input yall. I have this warn 9.5ti winch that i got for a steal, and someone wants to trade me a hpd44 and a ff 14bolt for it. Im not sure about anything else, but i would like to hear what ya'll think. D44 has open dif with 3.54 gears and the 14 bolt has 4.88 with a detroit...... Let me know.....

I'd pass

[MTchevyS10]

Depends if they are built or not and if any cash is involved.

[96superflow]

well i declined the 44s i will def have more use from my winch. but i got a guy gonna sell me an hp d30 w/4.10s with all the steering and stuff for 125 so im gonna pick it up later this week. my parts from summit will be in this week, so im gonna lift the back up hopefully this week, then get started on the front when the sky stuff gets here. ill post pics and stuff up when it all starts happening.....

[96superflow]

holy crap, i guess it was finally ment to be. My old boss, who owns a car lot, just came into an 86 wagoneer that aint in too bad of shape and started right up when i cranked her a lil while ago. Got a 44 front and an amc 20 rear. Keep your fingers cross, if it passes NC inspection, he said it would run about 800 for it. Sounds good to me. if it happens, ill end up with 2 off road trucks.


Another question, How strong is the AMC 20???

[DieselS10]

From what I've read they are very decent axles, they just don't have the aftermarket following that some of the other rear ends have.

[Donahue]

the later ones are supposed to be good, somewhere in the 8.8 range for strength.

[96superflow]

Ah, well i may start looking around, or just try and find a rodeo d44 thats got 4.10s and i think its the same bolt pattern......

[Donahue]

most if not all of the rodeo axles are going to be 4.30 gears stock, and a lot with LSD. they also have disks. they are the same 6 lug as waggy. but look for 93+, 91-92 used a gm 7.625"

dont forget about honda passports, they are just rebadged rodeo's.

[96superflow]

Just got everything in. Now i just have to get ubolts and spring plates.Already got the perches welded onto the temp rear axle until money allows an 8.8 with 4.10s. Where did anyone else get their Spring plates?

[wrekd]

Nice!!

Your tailgate almost looks as bad as mine

[96superflow]

haha yeah, i guess after mudding this thing for two years and no lift its time to give it the advantage of some heeps.

[96superflow]

started the rear yesterday until it down poured. almost got the rear out, the other is ready to go in. anyone know where i can get the leaf spring plate for the front d30? here's a pic of the waggy too.

[wrekd]

Damn, that Waggy is in pretty good shape. Some die hard Waggy fans would be pissed that you're cutting it up

[96superflow]

haha i haven't fully decided if im going to cut it up yet... ah screw it, im doin it anyways.

[wrekd]

Ah, your using a D30 for your truck. I thought you were using the Waggy rears in your build. Id use the Waggy rears if I was you. Then just sell the body and frame.

[bubbagt57]

fvck a d30 if you have access to the waggy

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

Ah, your using a D30 for your truck. I thought you were using the Waggy rears in your build. Id use the Waggy rears if I was you. Then just sell the body and frame.

I know it would be a better way to go, but i really love the look of the jeep waggy. This one is in awesome condition with a clean title. Its gonna be another project, after i sorta complete the blazer (since i already know it will never be finished). Eventually it will be on 60s or something along those lines.

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by bubbagt57

fvck a d30 if you have access to the waggy

The 30 is enough for now. I just want this thing up in the air. Ive been wheeling with a yj with 33's 4.88s and a locked rear with no problems in the axles at all. For the 33's that i will run it will be fine...for now....

[96superflow]

Finished getting the rear in today. gotta hook up the brakes and the driveshaft back up to get it turned around and to do the front. I did find out that my ujoint for the drive shaft is shot, but this axle setup is only temp, so i thing im just going to fill it full of grease and then throw an 8.8 and then a new joint in. does putting the 8.8 in require a conversion joint, and also, im thinking about using the stock drive shaft. If if cant do that, i wanna go with the diversified creations front output conversion and then a xj axle i think is what they call for. Some input would be awesome.





sorry about the quality, they are from my phone, im gonna take some more tomorrow with my camera.

[Baggey22]

Stock driveshaft to 8.8 does require a conversion joint, but it's fairly common. Go to my build thread and go to page two or three. I have my brand and part number to my conversion u-joint.

[96superflow]

Thanks again Baggey, i think ill be saying that alot with you guys over the next couple of weeks. I finished up the brakes and all last night and took her for a test drive, ran damn good and stopped even better. So this evening after work im going to be blasting the d30 and putting some paint on her, then hopefully my ubolts and leaf spring mounting plate will be here sometime this week, but i think its about time to cut into the IFS.

[BillaksBlazer]

the ujoint is a percision 355. parts stores can referance the number for their version of the part.

[96superflow]

Quote: Originally Posted by BillaksBlazer

the ujoint is a percision 355. parts stores can referance the number for their version of the part.

Thanks man, now ill def be able to find it when i switch. Hopefully the 10 bolt will hold up for a lil while. any body know the ring gear size for an s10 axle made in 92?

[4wdjoey]

should be a 7.5"

[bubbagt57]

most likely 3.42