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Project ol' red 95 s10 v8 SAS

Hey guys almost completed my SAS and v8 swap in my 1995 s10. The 4.3 split the crankshaft last February so I decided to go all in and do the build. It has been a build on a budget. I decided to start this thread to show guys who are thinking about doing this what it takes and also I have a few questions on how to finish my swap. Hope you enjoy the thread and please comment on how I can improve it or questions about how I did something.


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Decided to go with a fairly stock small block 350. got headers from v8s10.com and conversion motor mounts from summit racing. Engine has an aluminum intake, rv cam, and running an edelbrock 650 carb. Found a dana 30 from a '99 cherokee and used front leaf springs off an old chevy truck. Bought the rear mounts and shackles from ord.com and built the front hanger. currently running 33x12.50 15s. Ill try to get pictures up here in a few

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does anyone know how to upload pictures?

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Thanks for posting those for me. Decided to take the fenders and everything off to get the engine out. Made it so much easier to get the small block in. Ill upload more pictures tomorrow.

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just getting the 350 in

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decided to gusset the motor mounts to add some strength. and correction I got the mounts from s10v8.com

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Lookin good, keep the pics coming!

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pics of the spring over in the rear. Looking for a ford 8.8 inch to replace the s10 axle but it will do for now.

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rear hangers and shackles from Off Road Direct. Kit was super easy to install. Just 4 holes to drill on each side and bolt the hangers to the frame.

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Front hanger was easy to build. Just used angle iron and a picture of my cleaned up dana 30. Wish I would have spent the money and taken the time to go with coil springs up front but it was a lot easier to use leafs. I used 54" front springs out of an 85 chevy k1500. Took out the spring right on top of the overload bottom spring to soften up the ride.

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I mounted the front hanger right underneath the front body mounts. That is where the ord kit was designed to go if I would have bought their front hanger. It seems to work good, my shackle angle is just a few degrees back with the weight of the truck on the springs.

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what it should and shouldn't look like lol

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oh ouch.. looks like that dana 30 REALLY doesnt like that 350 lol

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lol i just had my spring pads sitting on the axle and I was trying to get the axle centered when something happen and it rotated and the steering part of the knuckle ended on top and the whole thing just kinda flopped over. looks worse than it is

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Here is how its sitting now on 33x12.50R15. Only issues left to address are swapping in a stronger rear axle and figuring out my steering and front driveshaft issues. That is where I really need some help!!!!!

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From what it seems like everyone else does crossover steering is the only way to go. Are some kits better than others? I have a hard time finding kits for the dana 30. Summit has them all day for dana 44 and dana 60s. And even the ones I have found for the dana 44 are expensive. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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in case it is hard to tell the angle from my gear box down to the tie rod is really steep and the tie rod actually moves in the adjusting sleeve because so much pressure is on it when I turn. It is as tight at it will go and it has plenty of thread in the sleeve. Really scares me to drive it down the road.

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there is a high steer kit for dana 30s i believe i cant remember what it is tho!
http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f222/d...ite-up-335874/

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JB4x4 makes a nice bolt on crossover bracket for the dana 30, uses two current bolts and you tap three more holes. Very simple install. I have on on my blazer, bought it off ebay.

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that bracket looks so damn good and looks so damn simple to install cant wait to sas my DD with a d30

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I'll have to take an installed pic. You can kind of see the three holes that need to be drilled and tapped in the first pic(they run front to back in the middle of the bracket). Drilling and tapping the knuckle was a breeze. The bracket uses stock jeep TRE's for the drag link. I bought the wrong year ends and had to extend my drag link a bit(only maybe a half inch). I want to say mid 90's rod ends were the longer ones and looked to work with no alterations to any of the stock jeep drag link components.

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ok the jp4x4 kit looks pretty sweet. only 150 not to bad and BillsDuster you said I could just use stock tie rod ends. I also found this site http://www.bluetorchfab.com/Product/...4-Knuckle.aspx also is 150 but looks a little more involved. can anyone tell the difference between the two? the blue torch fab site looks like it uses different tie rod ends

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That one from blue torch is for heimsnot tre's. I had the jb4x4 bracket and its very sturdy and works well. I had no complaints with it

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Do either of you have pictures of the jb4x4 kit installed? I would just like to see what you had to do to the drag link.

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Find baggy22's actual build thread prolly has info in there

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Check out page two of km346's build, he has some good installed pics.
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So I got my SAS done as many of you know, here is a picture of it installed on my truck
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From what it seems like everyone else does crossover steering is the only way to go. Are some kits better than others? I have a hard time finding kits for the dana 30. Summit has them all day for dana 44 and dana 60s. And even the ones I have found for the dana 44 are expensive. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
where's your spring perch? is that just a piece of plate welded to the axle?

Bigger tires and traction adders just means you get stuck in more inaccessible places.

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Good eye that's going to bend a spring or your axle is going to turn In the u bolts. Axle wrap begging to happen firts time its locked in or better yet brakes are applied

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^^ lol 350's gonna rotate that pinion straight up, if it doesn't grenade it self first.

Truck looks really good, I like the stance tho.

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You laughing at something I said? And yes truck does have a good stance. Didn't mean to sound like a ash hole but safty

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And yes truck does have a good stance. Didn't mean to sound like a ash hole but safty
X2 not trying to pick at your build, but safety first. I use these http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-4120074/
also your top plate should have a gusset across the top to keep it from bowing. Yours appear to already be bowing and it will continue to do that allowing play for the axle to walk around on the perch. I've seen several home built SFA trucks come into our shop with homemade spring perches asking us to figure out why it wanders or is unstable. Almost every time its because of the home made perch.

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X2 not trying to pick at your build, but safety first. I use these http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DCC-4120074/
also your top plate should have a gusset across the top to keep it from bowing. Yours appear to already be bowing and it will continue to do that allowing play for the axle to walk around on the perch. I've seen several home built SFA trucks come into our shop with homemade spring perches asking us to figure out why it wanders or is unstable. Almost every time its because of the home made perch.
Hey guys thanks for pointing that out. I thought I might be able to get away with just a plate of steel for the perch but I should probably just spend a few bucks and do it right before it wraps on me and i end up in a ditch. I have drove it a little with it how it is and it was fine but I don't have my driveshaft in so I can imagine first time in 4x4 that perch not working. Ordering the jb4x4 kit today and some perches lol.

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You laughing at something I said? And yes truck does have a good stance. Didn't mean to sound like a ash hole but safty
Definitely not an ash hole. I'm sure some of you guys know a lot more than I do. This is my first build like this so if you all see stuff like this just let me know. I would rather get it right and be safe.

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jb4x4 makes a set of offset perches ment for going spring over on dana 30's. its what i have welded to my dana 30. there cheap too, $40 i think

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jb4x4 high steer and offset perches officially on the way. That should fix my main safety problem with my axle and steering. my second problem is my front driveshaft. Unfortunately I have the electric shift np233 with the slip yoke. When i picked up the axle the guy also threw in a np231 transfercase off the cherokee and the front driveshaft. I know the transfercase won't bolt up but can I take the fixed yoke out of the cherokee transfercase and swap it into the np233?

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Re: Project ol' red 95 s10 v8 SAS

yup. easy swap. just get a new seal and swap the front output in (you'll have to split the case)

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For ur first build its a great looking rig plan on making my first gen look like this some day with a few $ u could have it really dialed in with the suggested parts

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You laughing at something I said? And yes truck does have a good stance. Didn't mean to sound like a ash hole but safty

No just thought the plate steel spring perch was kind of funny at first. I also had opened the threat the night before and saw the picture that PJ quoted and never posted anything till the next morning didnt see you post.

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These will be much safer! When I first welded my original spring perches I used an angle finder to set the pinion angle at 4-5 degrees. Should I do that or set the caster angle? I know what caster is but how do you find it without an alignment machine? and if so what have you all found is the best angle. This will be driven as a daily driver so I want something road friendly.

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Angle finder on the upper c is what I did. With a huge socket on top of the balljoint but for a place to rest the finder on

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That will work to get in the ballpark. With the lift you have once you set the caster the pinion shouldn't be at too bad of an angle. I've seen some pretty tall trucks with d30's with decent pinion angles.

Bigger tires and traction adders just means you get stuck in more inaccessible places.

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so do you know if the old chevy leaf spring you have are factory or 2-4" lift springs???

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