Project: 1995 s10 SAS

[Baggey22]

I'd rather have a solid piece anyway, but if a solid piece is WAY too expensive than I'll probably go with 'expanded metal'

[Tim99Zr2]

expanded is more.

[Donahue]

solid is a lot easier to make and should be cheaper for the same size. it will weigh more though.

[Tim99Zr2]

and serve a better purpose as a "skid" plate

[bubbagt57]

expanded metal likes to catch sticks in it...

[Baggey22]

Plus from past experiences I know that my truck LOVES to catch sticks/trees in random ass places. I remember one of the first times I took the truck out I got a tree branch so wedged in between my frame and rear bumper I had to have a friend drive ONTO it so I could back off of it to unwedge it. It was kinda funny.

[pjg1173]

baggy,
I've been following your thread here for about a year getting ideas while I did my own S10 SAS conversion. Thanks for posting good pic's they helped out alot.
Concerning your skid plate another alternative is dimond plate aluminum. it is light weight and fairly strong. It also adds a little bling to your truck the down side is the price. I picked up a scrap piece at a local welding shop here along with some other scrap materials to build front and rear bumpers for both of my trucks and side steps for less than $100. It adds a nice touch and draws attention away from some of my less desirable welds and cuts... a plus I realized afterwards was it blocks 85% of the crap hitting the radiator and engine compartment. after trail riding I hardly have to clean out the engine compartment. I plan on putting expanded steal on my other truck due to air flow issues.
I have some pics of my S10 posted on my family website:
http://www.thegauthierfamily.net/gallery2/v/S10/

[ChrisInVT]

Oh man I'm jealous, that's a freaking sweet truck.

[pjg1173]

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisInVT

Oh man I'm jealous, that's a freaking sweet truck.

Thanks, It looks better when I put the 39.5" off my other truck on it just can't articulate. The local 4x4 shop liked it so much i have a part time job there now... They get free advertising I get extra money to support my hobby (and shop when needed).

[ChrisInVT]

Now I'm even more jealous, man that's awesome!

[Baggey22]

Small UPDATE: So yesterday since it was SO nice out I made a bracket and got myself a steering stabilizer! I know it's that that amazing of an accomplishment but OMG did it make a huge difference in the road manners of the truck. Driving it on the road doesn't make me as nervous anymore.
Also I'm going wheeling tomorrow with a group of friends so I should have some fun pictures of that adventure.

[bubbagt57]

pics or it wont / didnt happen

[Baggey22]

SO I got a problem before I can go offroad. When I'm in 4LO the truck won't shift out of 1st gear. I just filled the transfer case with ATF and the transmission shifts perfectly fine in 2wd. I do know that ONE of the small hoses from the transfer case has a hole in it from resting on the exhuast one day. Could that make it not shift?
I really need to get out of 1st for this trail run, HELP!

[Tim99Zr2]

i had that problem.. i swapped in a 5 spd and it fixed it

[Baggey22]

wow. . . big help Tim

[bubbagt57]

lol tim

[Tim99Zr2]

true story.

[jwglover]

mine is a 93 , but has the same 4l60e tranny, I can only run 1st and 2nd in low range, and I cannot have the gear shift in drive, it must be in 1st or second gear to work properly. not sure why ? but I can use high range if I need more speed, or put the klune v in 1;1 gear instead of low range.

[Donahue]

maybe being the "e" trans, it knows that you are in low range and locks out the other gears.

[wrekd]

Mine goes through all the gears in Lo

[bubbagt57]

all i have is lo (hi is broken) and it shifted though all my gear (2000 s10 with 460le)

[Baggey22]

My day was AMAZING!! Met up with a huge group of people and hit up some great trails. Total of 17 trucks. Ranging from bone stock to holy crap upgraded. It was mostly Jeeps and Toyotas, I was the ONLY Chevy and there was only ONE Ford. Here are a FEW of the pictures that got taken (none by me, I gave the camera to my buddy's g/f)






Silly Toyota got stuck, I had to winch him out.




BROKEN!!!!






It was an awesome day. The truck outperformed my expectations and I got nothing but compliments on it. Can't wait to go back!
Here's the Photobucket link to see the rest of the 81 pictures.
http://s121.photobucket.com/albums/o...videre%204-26/

Let me know what you think!

[wrekd]

Glad to see it out finally!! How'd she do against the Heeps and Yotas??

And thats some sweet carnage on that YJ. Ball joint let loose??

[Tim99Zr2]

awesome man! i wish i had groups like that around here to go wheelin.

you really need to do something with the shackle hanger c channel.. chop it off or make it a mount for sliders

[DieselS10]

Sweet pics, glad to see it out and being wheeled!

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

SO I got a problem before I can go offroad. When I'm in 4LO the truck won't shift out of 1st gear. I just filled the transfer case with ATF and the transmission shifts perfectly fine in 2wd. I do know that ONE of the small hoses from the transfer case has a hole in it from resting on the exhuast one day. Could that make it not shift?
I really need to get out of 1st for this trail run, HELP!

I have a theory on this situation. When I was running the tbi 350/4L60e/207 combo I had to add the VSS to the transfer case since it was old school and didn't have one. I don't know about your trannies, but mine WOULD NOT shift out of 1st gear unless you were above 15 mph, don't know why , but it wouldn't. Now I'm gonna assume your VSS is in your tail housing of your transfer case were there is no way the computer can think that it is going 15 mph since it is in low range. That is why I mounted my VSS in the front section of the transfer case before the gear reduction took place, that way it did't know I was only going 3 mph in low 1st and would shift through all the gears as if it was in high range.

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

Glad to see it out finally!! How'd she do against the Heeps and Yotas??

And thats some sweet carnage on that YJ. Ball joint let loose??

Sally did AMAZING! Because I couldn't get out of first gear I went kinda slow, but I crawled over everything with little difficulty and only lightly dinged my shackle once or twice.

I don't really know what happened to the YJ. After he broke I kept wheeling.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

awesome man! i wish i had groups like that around here to go wheelin.

you really need to do something with the shackle hanger c channel.. chop it off or make it a mount for sliders

I plan to do something with them VERY soon. I just can't figure out how I want to make them into sliders.

Quote: Originally Posted by DieselS10

Sweet pics, glad to see it out and being wheeled!



I have a theory on this situation. When I was running the tbi 350/4L60e/207 combo I had to add the VSS to the transfer case since it was old school and didn't have one. I don't know about your trannies, but mine WOULD NOT shift out of 1st gear unless you were above 15 mph, don't know why , but it wouldn't. Now I'm gonna assume your VSS is in your tail housing of your transfer case were there is no way the computer can think that it is going 15 mph since it is in low range. That is why I mounted my VSS in the front section of the transfer case before the gear reduction took place, that way it did't know I was only going 3 mph in low 1st and would shift through all the gears as if it was in high range.

The motor in the truck is a 1993 4.3 from a Blazer. The NP231 is from Chris's old parts truck (but I don't know the year, but it was a first gen pickup) I haven't tried 4HI yet so idk what it does there.
Is there a way to check this VSS thing? Also from my old NP233 there's still this HUGE plug thing just kinda hanging that USED to go into the NP233 but there's no place for it on the NP231. Is that important?

[DieselS10]

That will be your problem, your tranny has to have a VSS and the 40 tooth ring that it senses in order to shift. I would b willing to bet that your not going to shift out of 1st in 4hi either.

[ChrisInVT]

You didn't trash your old t-case did you? That dangling plug is the reason it won't shift, the computer puts doesn't sense a speed signal so it hasn't a clue when it's supposed to shift.


Oh and your a douchebag. I've been trying to get you to go wheeling for over a year now. Your truck is finally finished and now mine's dead. I would've came with my dirtbike.

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by DieselS10

That will be your problem, your tranny has to have a VSS and the 40 tooth ring that it senses in order to shift. I would b willing to bet that your not going to shift out of 1st in 4hi either.

So how do I fix it? I need to be able to get out of 1st gear when offroad.

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisInVT

You didn't trash your old t-case did you? That dangling plug is the reason it won't shift, the computer puts doesn't sense a speed signal so it hasn't a clue when it's supposed to shift.


Oh and your a douchebag. I've been trying to get you to go wheeling for over a year now. Your truck is finally finished and now mine's dead. I would've came with my dirtbike.

I got rid of my old case a LONG time ago. Next time there's a meeting like that I'll call you to come. I actually rode by myself most of the day cause no one could come with me.

[DieselS10]

Your going to have to have a VSS. Either get a different transfer case that came with one or modify the one that you have. I put one in my old one but it was a PITA.

[Baggey22]

That's the only way? How do I go about putting one in? What is VSS anyway?

[t01blaze]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

That's the only way? How do I go about putting one in? What is VSS anyway?

vss= vehicle speed sensor

[t01blaze]

http://www.discountjeepparts.com/pro...ducts_id/24227

this sounds a little pricey from advance adapters...call and tell them what you are trying to do, maybe they can help you out?

[ChrisInVT]

You can always swap in a 5 speed...

[pjg1173]

you can go the the junk yard and find the correct tail housing with the VSS port and the ring the vss reads for the output shaft. Frankly I'm supprised its working right in 2 wheel hi. When i changed from 3.23:1 to 4.88:1 my truck started shifting funny because I through the VSS off.

[Baggey22]

Anyone have a picture of what I need? I could hit up a junk yard this weekend

[pjg1173]

I know you posted what transfer case you are using in an earlier post but I can't seem to find it. let me know what case you are using and I'll check to see if the local 4x4 shop has any taken appart that I can snap some pic's of for you.

[Baggey22]

It's an NP231C out of Chris's old parts truck. I forget what year it is but I know it was a first generation s10. It's the manual transfer case with the shorter rear output yoke.

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Anyone have a picture of what I need? I could hit up a junk yard this weekend

Find me a cheap 3.4 or a wrecked late 80's fullsize 4x4 so I can shoehorn the drivetrain into my truck

Quote: Originally Posted by pjg1173

I know you posted what transfer case you are using in an earlier post but I can't seem to find it. let me know what case you are using and I'll check to see if the local 4x4 shop has any taken appart that I can snap some pic's of for you.

NP231C out of a 91 S10

[pjg1173]

I have a np233 in my truck with the VSS. I don't know if that tail housing would fit a np231. I get off work in a hour, so when I get up to my buddies shop I'll look. I've changed a couple of chains in them but never paid much attention to the tail housing.

[Baggey22]

Found another picture on a different photobucket from this weekend


Anyway, I want to get this issue solved as quickly and easily as possible. And I don't want to go with a 5 speed.

[Tim99Zr2]

5spd > auto for trail riding IMO. you can select whatever gear you want. plus with my 5.13s i dont even touch the clutch

[wrekd]

And this is why I kept my stock t-case. If I blow it I'll either put in another 233 or an Atlas.

[Donahue]

a 231 from a 91 s10 DOES have a VSS already, if the speedo is working, its plugged in and working.

every case that came in an s10 other than the old 207 uses a VSS including all the 231's.

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Donahue

a 231 from a 91 s10 DOES have a VSS already, if the speedo is working, its plugged in and working.

every case that came in an s10 other than the old 207 uses a VSS including all the 231's.

My speedo is working just fine. I took my buddy's TomTom when I got the 34s and tested to see how far off it was and it was only off by a MPH or two at 50.
So do I have another issue?

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Found another picture on a different photobucket from this weekend


Anyway, I want to get this issue solved as quickly and easily as possible. And I don't want to go with a 5 speed.

Holy shit those air horns are HUGE

[pjg1173]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

My speedo is working just fine. I took my buddy's TomTom when I got the 34s and tested to see how far off it was and it was only off by a MPH or two at 50.
So do I have another issue?

if your spedo works in 2hi and it shifts properly then your VSS is working. I wonder if there is something that needs to be bypassed from your old 233 to tell the computer it is in 4lo and that it should shift. My theory/guess behind this would be more rpm's for a given speed in 4lo may be confusing your trucks computer because it doesn't know its in 4lo. Does your 231 have an electical plug going to the wireing harness? I know when I start my truck the 4Hi and Lo lights light up for a second like the computer is checking something. I have the 233 behind a 4l60E and mine shifts into 2nd when in 4lo.

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by ChrisInVT

Holy shit those air horns are HUGE

Haha, I told you mine were big. Only problem is I think the solenoid died. I went through the car wash last week and ever since then it won't work. Maybe the ground is bad, I'll check into that later.

Quote: Originally Posted by pjg1173

if your spedo works in 2hi and it shifts properly then your VSS is working. I wonder if there is something that needs to be bypassed from your old 233 to tell the computer it is in 4lo and that it should shift. My theory/guess behind this would be more rpm's for a given speed in 4lo may be confusing your trucks computer because it doesn't know its in 4lo. Does your 231 have an electical plug going to the wireing harness? I know when I start my truck the 4Hi and Lo lights light up for a second like the computer is checking something. I have the 233 behind a 4l60E and mine shifts into 2nd when in 4lo.

I haven't checked since I put it in, but there is one BIG plug (it's like an inch or two wide) that didn't have any place to go when I took the 233 out and put the 231 in. My 2HI/4HI/4LO lights inside that were for the 233 don't light up anymore, even if I press them.
Would it help if I got a picture of this big plug?

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Haha, I told you mine were big. Only problem is I think the solenoid died. I went through the car wash last week and ever since then it won't work. Maybe the ground is bad, I'll check into that later.

My solenoid died at one point too. Except when mine failed it opened up and stood open. It was great at 6:00 in the morning as I was leaving for work. I must have pissed off all of my neighbors. It really SUCKED having to crawl under the truck to unplug the airline to the solenoid having the trumpets inches from my freaking head. Pull the solenoid and spray some PB blaster on the part that moves while manually opening and closing it. Apply power and it should un-stick. Cycle the power a few times and you'll be good to go.

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

I haven't checked since I put it in, but there is one BIG plug (it's like an inch or two wide) that didn't have any place to go when I took the 233 out and put the 231 in. My 2HI/4HI/4LO lights inside that were for the 233 don't light up anymore, even if I press them.
Would it help if I got a picture of this big plug?

Your computer probably wants to know if it's in something other than 2WD since you had the pushbutton crap. There's sensors and all sorts of other junk in your old t-case that would tell the computer what's going on. With them not being there, it's probably freaking out. I'm surprised it's not throwing an SES light.

[t01blaze]

oh, its something with your transfer case controll module i believe iread about it on zr2usa a wile ago. you need to ground out a wire for the shifting to work properly because the shift tables are different in 2 low