Project: 1995 s10 SAS

[ChrisInVT]

x3

[wrekd]

x4

[Baggey22]

You guy are all sluts, you know that? Especially Tim. I actually haven't gotten the tail gate done. Since my landlord is being kinda dumb I have to weld outside and we've had CRAZY weather the past week.
And as I said like 2 weeks ago, the tires will most likely come last. But I'm hoping to have Chris come here on Sunday and help me finish up some stuff.

[ChrisInVT]

Sweet, I'm a slut

[Baggey22]

Anyone have a link so that I know how many ounces to put into my 34s when I do get them mounted? And can I just use any kind of BB?

[Tim99Zr2]

why am i the biggest slut? i think thats a good thing.

[Tim99Zr2]

hell. donahue posted a link somewhere.. he knows it.

[Baggey22]

Well I might take a stab at doing my own tires tomorrow or Wednesday if I can get that link

[ChrisInVT]

Don't stab them!!! You might spring a leak!!

[Donahue]

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

just a little report. i recently pulled my spare tire off the rim because i am experimenting with mounting a tire inside a tire. anyways, i noticed that the finish of the bb's had flaked off of them, but there was no rust to speak of and nothing really seeming wrong with them. they have been in for a couple years now, and i just used the cheap steel bb's from walmart.

go ahead and do your self a favor and use more than the chart says. if you ever rip the tire tread or do something like i would probably do, you will need it.

[Baggey22]

So I just got in from attempting to do my tires. After almost two hours I was unsuccessful. We broke the bead on the outside by carefully driving over it, then finished the bead using two hammers. But we can't get the rim out of the tire.
Any ideas/suggestions? I'm gonna try again tomorrow but more thoughts would be helpful

[Donahue]

tire spoons, and soapy water. me and my brother can do one in about 5 minutes if we dont get stupid with it.

[Baggey22]

Like soapy water on the tire?
You should take a video of you doing it, then I'll see how you do it

[Tim99Zr2]

yes, put it around where the bead seals, it helps it slide off. coat that mofo with soapy water!

[Donahue]

yes, soapy water helps the bead get past the lip of the rim. when we do it, we use 3 spoons, or more specifically, 2 spoons and a big pry bar that is just used to free one of the spoons.

we start my inserting the two spoons about 4-6" apart, and pull bead over the lip. then take the pry bar and use it to "keep the place" of one of the spoons. then use the free spoon to take another 4" of bead, and work your way around. be sure that the pry bar stays pretty much in the same spot while doing this. one more thing to remember, be sure you are doing it from the front of the rim (unless its a reverse center rim) and make sure the bead of the tire is in the low spot in the rim 180* out from where the spoons are.

[Baggey22]

Okay, I'll try the soapy water. We got one side off pretty easily once finding the correct way to do it. We were also trying to do it with two small pry bars. Tomorrow I'll get bigger bars.

[Tim99Zr2]

yea, more leverage is key.

[Donahue]

leverage helps, so does a third bar and a second set of hands.

[Tim99Zr2]

bahahaa, ok, ill quit reading your mind donahue

[Baggey22]

I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars.
Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water?

[Donahue]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

I have the second set of hands. And I'll see what I can scrounge up for two or three pry bars.
Any other tips? Besides pry bars, hands, soapy water?

dont get macho and try and take too much of the bead. if you cant get 4" of new ground, then settle for 2".

[Tim99Zr2]

maybe a bulky guy to help hold the tire in place! haha

[Baggey22]

Thanks a lot guys, I'll attempt this again tomorrow and let you know how things go.

[Tim99Zr2]

[ChrisInVT]

Just don't rape that one 33 too much

[Baggey22]

That's why I started with the rear ones, I don't care about them cause they're worthless. By the time I get to the two front ones I'll be good at it so I can save them for spares for you and me.

[DieselS10]

I bet I've watched Gump's 252 pound ass mount 50 tires without even using a tire tool or hammer. Just soapy water and ALOT of force.

[Baggey22]

It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims

[DieselS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

It's not the mounting that has become an issue (yet) just getting the old tires off the rims

Yeah, I know, mounting them will be cake after you get the old ones off. The way Donahue told you to take them off works great, been doing it for years.

[Baggey22]

So I have a bit of a dilemma to figure out VERY SOON. I was planning to change my front leaf springs so I could use shorter s10 ones instead of F150 leafs. But I did some measuring today and the shackle itself would only sit like 2" (maybe like 1.5") closer to the tire. So it doesn't really do much for my break over angle.
So here's my three options:
1. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and move it slightly which enables use of a smaller shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle)
OR
2. Grind off the shackle to frame mount and weld in another plate to be able to use the shorter springs with the shorter shackle. (shorter shackle is stock s10 shackle)
OR
3. Leave it alone and just wheel the crap out of it where it is with the longer shackles (shackles are 1" over stock s10 shackles)

The reason I ask is because Chris is coming over this weekend to help me finish up the project. If he comes and we do the springs I'll have to wait another week to get EVERYTHING done. But we may be able to get 90% of stuff done and be wheeling by midweek. So I'm somewhat torn on what to do. I need input, do people think that the shorter shackle moving like 1.5" forward will REALLY make a difference or should I just move it so I can use the shorter shackle on the longer leafs?
Opinions would be great! Thanks

And just so you all know, list of things to finish:
-Mount shocks (ordered yesterday, arriving tomorrow)
-Tranny Xmember (have idea, just need to DO it)
-front drive shaft (If XJ one is too short make it out of tube)
-change shackle (if I decide to do it)
-finish mounting tires
-Winch and finish front bumper (not necessary for wheeling . . . yet)

[Tim99Zr2]

youll need a longer DS.

personally, i would get it done. test it out the way it is. if you dont like it, change it

[Tim99Zr2]

annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make?

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

annnd "finish mounting tires" ? what progress did you make?

After like 10 more minutes today we got the tire completely off the rim. Then we were working on getting the new tire ON and it started to DOWNPOUR so we had to stop. It's a pain in the ass, I may just take them somewhere Friday.

[Donahue]

move the shackle forward and use the 5" shackle. forget about worrying over break over angle, smart driving can all but take that out of the picture. running the 34's you bought will do more for the break over than you would be able to do with playing with the shackle.

[Baggey22]

So Donahue, you say use the s10 leafs with the 5" shackles? Cause right now with the F150 leafs I have a great shackle angle.

[Donahue]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

So Donahue, you say use the s10 leafs with the 5" shackles? Cause right now with the F150 leafs I have a great shackle angle.

either use a longer shackle with your current angle, or move the mount rearward a few inches and get the angle less drastic.

iirc, the s10 springs wont have the center pin as far forward, potentially moving the axle back farther in the wheel well, maybe causing other problems.

[Baggey22]

I think I'm going to do what Tim said, I'm gonna just go with what I've built and if I don't like it I have all the necessary tools and parts to change it. So hopefully Chris and I can get the shocks and tranny Xmember done this weekend. Then I can get the DS in Monday if modifications are necessary.
Another question:
On the NP231 what size is the nut that holds the front output yoke on? I have the XJ one I need but I don't have a socket big enough to get the s10 one off. I think it's like a 29mm or 30mm, I only have up to 27mm and a 31mm and both aren't the right size

[Baggey22]

Okay, so I have an appointment tomorrow with the mechanic to get my tires done. Then Chris is coming over on Sunday and we're gonna get the Tranny Xmember and shocks done. If there's time we may even tie up some other loose ends, but we'll see.
I can't wait! And don't worry, I'll take pictures of our progress throughout the day.

[Donahue]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Okay, so I have an appointment tomorrow with the mechanic to get my tires done...

[Tim99Zr2]

baggey, i used 1-1/8" socket for the nut on the tcase yoke (thats the jeep size) i dunno if they are the same or not

[Baggey22]

Thanks Tim, I'll check again tomorrow before I go to the hardware store and get a socket.

[Tim99Zr2]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Thanks Tim, I'll check again tomorrow before I go to the hardware store and get a socket.

just double check it with a tape meausre.!

[ChrisInVT]

Gave up on the tires I see...

[Baggey22]

Yea basically. It took WAY to much time to even do one since I've never done it before. And I kinda need the tires mounted to move the truck around for us on Sunday. I don't really care, they'll be done.

[DieselS10]

Are the tires mounted .

[Baggey22]

Yes they got mounted today. But I had to work all day today and just got home about half an hour ago. I'm gonna put them on first thing tomorrow morning and take pictures for you all. I can't wait to see them on there myself.
I'm also gonna measure my Y pipe and see if I can get pieces to customize it at the parts store tomorrow.

[DieselS10]

Good deal!

[Baggey22]

Yea, it was funny cause the guy couldn't balance them because his machine was too small. So I can either do dynamic balancing myself or take them somewhere else and get them normally balanced. Haven't decided which I wanna do yet.

[wrekd]

Finally!!Cant wait to see the pics!!

[Baggey22]

Here you go sluts, ENJOY!














I didn't get to drive the truck around much because the tranny is being retarded.