Project: 1995 s10 SAS

[DieselS10]

Baggey, I've got 3 S10 t-cases, from different years, at my shop that I can check to see if any of them are long or not. 2 of them may even be available, but I'll have to see because one of them is my dad's and the other is my buddies.

[Baggey22]

That would be amazing if you had what I need.

Or anyone else had what I need

[wrekd]

Told ya you shoulda just swapped the front output shaft on the 233. Now your running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for another t-case

I was looking around and I think you need a 92-97 NP231. That SHOULD have the long output shaft. Im not 100% sure on that but thats where i would start looking.

[ChrisInVT]

I still want to go back and run into that truck a few times, drag it around on it's roof even.

And you can flex out on it and take pics

[DieselS10]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

Told ya you shoulda just swapped the front output shaft on the 233. Now your running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for another t-case

I was looking around and I think you need a 92-97 NP231. That SHOULD have the long output shaft. Im not 100% sure on that but thats where i would start looking.

One of them that I mentioned is a '91 or '92.

[wrekd]

This is the site im basing it off of:

http://www.drivetrain.com/transferca...0Model%2023 1

Its a good site. Its how I found out about what size chain was in my t-case and what year front output shaft i needed to swap into it.

[Donahue]

is it the HD case that you need? if so, i may be able to round up an output shaft and tail housing that came off my doubler. i will look to see what i have.

[Baggey22]

I don't know if it's the HD case. All I know is that I need an NP231 that has a much longer slip yoke than the one I have, theres pictures that TFPETS put up on page 8 or 9.

[Baggey22]

Anyone have what I need? I need it like a.s.a.p!

[wrekd]

Make a post over on s10extremists.org in the wanted adds. Somebody has got to have one over there.

[ChrisInVT]

throw up a post on gmtruckhq.com also. I don't have a clue when I'm ever going to get that other 1st gen, so don't wait on me; because it might not even be the right t-case (again).

[Tim99Zr2]

i just threw out a long tail shaft. i had a busted NP233 laying around along with a jeep NP231

[Baggey22]

Anyone know if a Jeep NP231 SYE will work? I can't find any Chevy NP231 SYE kits.
The reason I ask is because the 3 salvage yards I've called want at least $300 for a USED case out of a JUNKED truck.

[melon16]

IIRC it is the same transfer case except the jeep has more planets I believe as well as the case on the transmission end being different..

[wrekd]

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/p...short_sye.html

[Baggey22]

Quote: Originally Posted by wrekd

http://www.jbconversions.com/pages/p...short_sye.html

When I did a search (Google) that's the only site I found too. I just don't know if I can justify $340 for an SYE. I have leads on two transfer cases that might have what I need but if they don't the SYE is my next option.
So if internally the NP231J and NP231C are the same can I use a NP231J SYE on MY NP231C? Cause NP231J SYEs are a lot more inexpensive than for my NP231C.

[tfpets]

It seemed pretty specific that it be the hd 231...which I beleive is the long output...so for you to use it, you would have to have a long output 231 and your problem would already be solved anyway!

[wrekd]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

When I did a search (Google) that's the only site I found too. I just don't know if I can justify $340 for an SYE. I have leads on two transfer cases that might have what I need but if they don't the SYE is my next option.
So if internally the NP231J and NP231C are the same can I use a NP231J SYE on MY NP231C? Cause NP231J SYEs are a lot more inexpensive than for my NP231C.

I dont think so. The NP231J has a smaller chain in it. 1" vs 1.25". Otherwise it would be one kit fits all.

[Baggey22]

Okay, that makes sense. Hey TFPETS you said a few posts ago that you can get them from a yard close to you for like $75 right? How much do you think it would be to get one shipped to me from you? (if you're willing to help me out) I'd pay for everything. If it's less than the $300 the gold digger junk yards want around here I'd be game for it. Let me know, my zip code is 05656 and I can PayPal you the money a.s.a.p.

[tfpets]

Hmmmm...I will see what I can do...I actually have the one that was in my brothers red blazer in my garage...it is a spare for his so I will talk to him and see what he wants to do...

[Baggey22]

That would be awesome. I don't need anything for the shifter because I got that from Chris's truck. I would also NEED the slip yoke that goes with the case.

[tfpets]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

That would be awesome. I don't need anything for the shifter because I got that from Chris's truck. I would also NEED the slip yoke that goes with the case.

I dont have an extra one of those...but I am 99% sure that the 233 yolk fits!

[DieselS10]

I checked all the T-cases at my shop and they are all short shaft, including the one that I used for nearly a decade after I did my spring over with 2" blocks, and 3" springs. I know I'm repeating what I stated before and I am in no way trying to doubt what others have stated through experience, but I never had any trouble with my short shaft T-case.

[tfpets]

I dont doubt ANYTHING you say and I have nothing but respect for you and your abilitys...I mean damn youve got a diesel s10! I just know that there is no way that t-case would work in my truck (or my brothers)...we tried it and measured it and tried some more all possible ways (trust me, I did everything I could to keep from swapping out a t-case), but that little stub didnt have enough slip to work ON OURS! The only thing we didnt check is if there was any possibility of there being a longer yolk out there somewhere to go into that t-case...I wish I had got pics of it!! The only possible explanation I can think of is the difference in driveline angle due to wheelbase...and if that is the explanation then it is very possible that t-case will work in baggeys truck with a proper length driveline...

[Baggey22]

So how do I get a proper length driveline? Like what measurements do I take to determine how long my drive shaft should be. Cause if I don't need the longer slip yoke I can have my truck driving tomorrow.
Or a better way of thinking about it. When the drive line is all said and done and set in place should I have more slip for droop of the axle or more slip for compression of the axle? <-- does that make sense? I hope so

[tfpets]

All I can suggest is to try not to think of it as anything to complicated...just try to get the axle up as high as you think it might ever go...(how high it would go if you were to bounce it really hard) this is kind of hard to tell unless you have a few hundred pounds of buddies to put in the bed, or you can put in bump stops so you know how far it will ever go...but anyway you need to get it at that spot and take a measurement...then let it go full droop and take a measurement (keep in mind that if the shocks dont limit travel it COULD POSSIBLY go a little farther than this)...then you have to determine if there is enough slip for the difference in measurements without the yolk coming out to far...as for how to measure for the driveline, that depends on who is making it...under normal circumstances my guy prefers a center to center measurement of the u-joint cups, but he trusts me enough to give him a weld to weld measurement and so far I have done perfect...I would suggest you figure out how much longer yours needs to be according to your measurements and just have it lengthened that much(if you think there is enough slip in the yolk!)

[DieselS10]

TF, what are the wheel bases of your S10's? Mine was a standard cab longbed before. You have to be right about the wheelbase being the difference. I had to be running mine right on the edge!

[tfpets]

I dont have exact numbers but mine is a regular cab short bed (using an 88 camaro driveline) and my brothers was a 2-door blazer, and he was able to use his original driveline once we installed the new long t-case and yolk...more to the point I will try to get some driveline lengths tonight...and I suppose one could do some research and figure out the differences(hint hint)...

[ChrisInVT]

All this talk about the driveline.....

How about the tires, have ya got the damn tires on yet!?!?! I demand pics of the truck with the new tires!!!

[Baggey22]

TFPETS - thanks for the advice, I'm gonna try it tomorrow or Tuesday with a few friends and 350lbs of sand bags from the theatre.
If it all works out okay I'll have the truck home soon and will be working on it this weekend.
Plans once it's here: I plan to first make that tail gate I was talking about to practice my welding (it's been a while) Then once I am confident enough for that I'm going to remake my front shackle mounts so that I can use my shorter Blazer leafs in the front. Then after that is done make the transmission Xmember and then have a local shop fix the exhaust (unless I can do it myself, we'll see) Then once that is all done get some shocks on it and the TIRES then hit the trails.
Of course I'll have pictures and Chris if you're free on Sundays that's when I'll be working on it, so I may have you come visit and help me with welding if things don't go as planned.

[wrekd]

Baggey, Is your truck locked up or did you leave the diffs open. Just wonderin

[Baggey22]

My 8.8 has the Ford Trac Lock (limited slip) and the D30 is open. Eventually I plan to upgrade the axle shafts to one piece and throw a PowerTracks or other lunch box style locker in it.

[ChrisInVT]

I'm always free on Sundays.

I might end up going to the salvage yard in Colchester to get myself a 8.8 with a limited slip, because from the sounds of it that'll be cheaper than fixing my 10 bolt.

[Baggey22]

Thats a great idea! I like mine a lot. You'll just have to get lug adapters. And putting in an 8.8 spring under into an s10 is EASY.
So what's gonna happen with the posi?

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

Thats a great idea! I like mine a lot. You'll just have to get lug adapters. And putting in an 8.8 spring under into an s10 is EASY.
So what's gonna happen with the posi?

I'm going to sell it more than likely. It sucks though because I paid a little over $100 for it including shipping and what not. I might have to steal you some day to head up to Colchester to get it (since your the 8.8 master and all )

[Baggey22]

You could always put it into that other s10 your gonna get. Or do you want yours to ALWAYS be better than your g/fs? ha ha
As for the 8.8 I'll totally go with you when you want to go. Sundays are best for me but I don't think they are open on Sundays. As for Saturdays it would have to be an early day because I have work at 1:00 or 2:00. So if we left here (Johnson) at like 9:00 that would get us there around 10:00. Search around and GET the axle until 12:00 or 12:30 then head back here.
All you have to do prior to that is figure out your gear ratio so that you don't have to regear either the 8.8 OR your front end. Unless you want to. Your choice.

Question for TFPETS: Once I have my droop/compress measurements how do I figure out how much slip is required from those two measurements? I assume it's something easy and I just can't think of it.

[wrekd]

Just lengthen it back to where the truck rides at normally on the road. You'll be able to tell just by looking at the slip yoke. Thats all I did with mine.

[Baggey22]

Well Wrekd yours is a little different. You have the longer slip yoke so you don't have to worry about having enough/not having enough.
I don't think I can just put it to where it normally sits

[tfpets]

Ok you will have a ride height measurement, a droop measurement and a compressed measurement(from back of tcase to rear end yolk)...lets say (example only!) at ride height it is 34" and compressed it is 32", you now know you need the yolk to be able to slip IN at least 2"...then at droop you measure 37", you know you need to be able to slip OUT 3"...so you need at least 5" of slip with 2" going in and 3" going out and you need a certain amount to remain in the back of the t-case so the driveline doesnt drop out or let the seal leak...so maybe get all of these measurements and we can all decide if it is possible! I have your exact t-case and yolk in my garage so I can even get a hands on opinion!

[Baggey22]

Cool thanks TFPETS. I have some time on Saturday that I think I can get my measurements done. Then I can post them up here and if it's doable I have the day off Sunday to cut/extend the drive shaft and get her home. Then I can start on my new tailgate!
Wish me luck

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Baggey22

You could always put it into that other s10 your gonna get. Or do you want yours to ALWAYS be better than your g/fs? ha ha
As for the 8.8 I'll totally go with you when you want to go. Sundays are best for me but I don't think they are open on Sundays. As for Saturdays it would have to be an early day because I have work at 1:00 or 2:00. So if we left here (Johnson) at like 9:00 that would get us there around 10:00. Search around and GET the axle until 12:00 or 12:30 then head back here.
All you have to do prior to that is figure out your gear ratio so that you don't have to regear either the 8.8 OR your front end. Unless you want to. Your choice.

It seems that it might still cost me more to get that limited slip installed in the 10-bolt than it would be to just get another 8.8 and throw it in that truck too. I'm really not too worried about putting limited slip in the other truck if I get it, because it's going to be more of a beater than anything else. She's not going to be taking it out anywhere unless I have my truck too - so I'm not too worried about getting it stuck.

My truck has 4.11's in it currently, I'd like to get something bigger, but then I would have to re-gear the front. And at that point it's better to just do an all-out SFA swap, which I don't have the time or need for yet. So I'm not sure if I want to get higher gears and not have 4WD (and to pay for higher gears when.if I go SFA) or get matching gears and have to buy all new gears later on (and pay to get those installed too - bringing me back to square 1 basically). I'm very un-decided.

On another note, I'm heading to Morrisville for the parade tomorrow (July 4th). I got invited to hang out with the Army National Guard after a recruiter saw my truck and we shot the shit for about a half hour. So if there's anything you need, I'll be up your way so LMK.

[Baggey22]

We can get an 8.8 with 4.10 gearing (thats what I have) WITH a limited slip, you can't get any numerically higher gears out of the factory. We only found one with the limited slip and 4.10 last time we were in Colchester, but that was months ago and we stopped looking after we found the one I needed.
I don't NEED anything yet because I haven't had time to work on my truck to get it to my house in Eden (which is close to Morriseville) The truck is currently in Johnson just waiting for me to have some free time.
I'm not sure what time I'm working (I'll figure it out and post it here when I know) but when the parade is over you can come see the truck if you want, just for fun.

[ChrisInVT]

4.10 is close enough to 4.11 that I wouldn't notice a difference at all. I think tire wear creates more of a ratio difference than that!

I haven't invested too much time in researching the 8.8, but from the few things that I read it seems to be a good choice to swap into an S10. I also found this awesome website if you ever need to gear higher than 4.10's:

http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/catal...470_496_23_498

I'll give you a call when the parade is over in Morrisville, I'd love to go check out your truck.

Oh, and sorry for whoring your thread

[Baggey22]

So I got lucky as shit today and was able to get out and get the measurements of my suspension travel.

Ride Height: 56-7/16"
Suspension Compressed: 55-3/4"
Suspension Extended: 56-3/8"

I need to know how this will work A.S.A.P! So I can get it all welded up tomorrow and get my baby home!

[Tim99Zr2]

and get pics with 34s..

[ChrisInVT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tim99Zr2

and get pics with 34s..

This FTW.

As soon as I get that spare 33 for you I'm going to mount it on one of the wagon wheels so I can check fitment issues on my truck - and then get my 33's. The quicker you get your truck together the quicker I can get my tires

Oh, and Friday was ****ING EPIC, I have some awesome stories. Hey, you interested in some lawnmower racing in Wolcott next month?

[Baggey22]

SALLY IS HOME!!!!
After some mishaps and almost crapping myself on the 20 minute drive home (driving with no shocks = scary as hell) she's finally in my driveway where she belongs. On the way home I broke TWO things. My radiator sprung a leak IN my driveway (luckily) and my exhaust decided to come unbolted 30 yards from my driveway (also lucky).
Now that she's home I can plug away at it during my evenings and hopefully get it trail ready in a few weeks.
Chris - I'm gonna need your radiator out of your parts truck if you don't mind.

[ChrisInVT]

It's yours, you just have to take the antifreeze with you though because I don't have a place to store or dispose of it.

[Baggey22]

Update: So I finally had time today to go out after work and buy myself a welding mask and the steel required to make my tail gate. I'm hoping to start it very soon.

I have a question that I hope someone can answer. Ever since I swapped my NP233 for the NP231 my transmission leaks ATF. Like when I went to drive it on Sunday there was VERY little fluid (luckily I had extra) and now that it's parked I can see that a spot has formed under where the transmission and transfer case meet. Any ideas what this might be? Thanks!

And Chris, do you wanna come over some time and help me put the 34s on? I don't know how to do it, and it would get you your 33 spare. Plus you could bring the radiator and we could put that in too! We could make a day of getting my truck trail ready!

[ChrisInVT]

If you need help with that gate, LMK. If you're interested in setting it up so it swings open like a stock gate does, I have everything you'll need to make it happen. And I'd bet the seal between the transmission and transfer is shot causing it to leak unnecessary amounts of ATF.

I can't pull the radiator because I have nothing to drain the coolant into. Every spare jug I have is filled with oil or ATF, that's why I said you could have it as long as you take the coolant with it

I also think at some point in time I'm going to have to go back and pull those skidplates off that Blazer, it was stupid of me not too when we had the thing on it's side.